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Skip to comments.Ann Coulter weighs in on Darwinism
Posted on 04/27/2006 8:01:57 AM PDT by Tribune7
Im happy to report that I was in constant correspondence with Ann regarding her chapters on Darwinism indeed, I take all responsibility for any errors in those chapters. :-)
(Excerpt) Read more at uncommondescent.com ...
No, I called you a historical revisionist, rewriting the history of the Nazi era to fit your own agenda. That's only one of your many manifest deficiencies.
Puritans and Quakers. Doesn't apply to Virginia, the Carolinas, Georgia, etc .
NIV 2 Peter 3:16
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
Thanks for answering this, and thanks for pinging me.
"He's a top-notch Evo; we adore him. Therefore anything ELSE he says gets a pass from us!"
"He's a top-notch Evo; we adore him. Therefore anything ELSE he says gets a pass from us!"
I will bother to give you a better response than your post deserves.
I didn't say you had asked that. I am addressing the subtext of bringing Hitler into this conversation at all. It seems to rub some of the people here, such at the RWP, who are so proud of being atheistic evolutionists--that Hitler was an atheistic evolutionist.
So much so that RWP even felt compelled to lie about Hitler and make him out to be just the opposite.
Survival of the fittest, especially as it showed up in so-called Social Darwinism, is at the core of Hitler's political and philosophical thinking, as even the most cursory reading of him would reveal.
Yes, Hitler may seem to have bridled at man being descended from monkeys, but only slightly. (He was attracted to the idea that the moon split off from the earth during the time men existed, and this colored some of his thinking here.) But even in his questioning, he generally, albeit grudgingly accepted it.
I once possessed a work on the origins of the human races. I used to think a lot about such matters, and I must say that if one examines the old traditions, the tales and legends, from close up, one arrives at unexpected conclusions. Its striking to realise what a limited view we have of the past. The oldest specimens of handwriting we possess go back three or four thousand years at most. No legend would have reached us if those who made and transmitted them hadnt been people like ourselves. Where do we acquire the right to believe that man has not always been what he is now? The study of nature teaches us that, in the animal kingdom just as much as in the vegetable kingdom, variations have occurred. Theyve occurred within the species, but none of these variations has an importance comparable with that which separates man from the monkeyassuming that this transformation really took place.
That is about the extent of Hitler's doubts about evolution. The rest of his extant remarks and speeches are replete with his belief that evolution, the struggle of the fittest, was the law of nature.
The following, like the quotes hitherto, are from Table Talk, but there is similar evidence of his thinking everywhere:
Originally war was nothing but a struggle for pasture-grounds. To-day war is nothing but a struggle for the riches of nature. By virtue of an inherent law, these riches belong to him who conquers them. ..
Thats in accordance with the laws of nature. By means of the struggle, the elites are continually renewed.
The law of selection justifies this incessant struggle, by allowing the survival of the fittest.
Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.
In any case, is it we who created nature, established its laws? Things are as they are, and we can do nothing to change them. Providence has endowed living creatures with a limitless fecundity; but she has not put in their reach, without the need for effort on their part, all the food they need. All that is very right and proper, for it is the struggle for existence that produces the selection of the fittest.
One must not put a curb on individuals. On the contrary, one must avoid whatever might prevent them from rising. If one systematically encourages the selection of the fittest, the time will come when talents will again be, in a sort of way, the privilege of an elite.
As in everything, nature is the best instructor, even as regards selection. One couldnt imagine a better activity on natures part than that which consists in deciding the supremacy of one creature over another by means of a constant struggle.
It was with feelings of pure idealism that I set out for the front in 1914. Then I saw men falling around me in thousands. Thus I learnt that life is a cruel struggle, and has no other object but the preservation of the species. The individual can disappear, provided there are other men to replace him.
The present system of teaching in schools permits the following absurdity: at 10 a.m. the pupils attend a lesson in the catechism, at which the creation of the world is presented to them in accordance with the teachings of the Bible; and at 11 a.m. they attend a lesson in natural science, at which they are taught the theory of evolution. Yet the two doctrines are in complete contradiction. As a child, I suffered from this contradiction, and ran my head against a wall. Often I complained to one or another of my teachers against what I had been taught an hour beforeand I remember that I drove them to despair.
The Christian religion tries to get out of it by explaining that one must attach a symbolic value to the images of Holy Writ. Any man who made the same claim four hundred years ago would have ended his career at the stake, with an accompaniment of Hosannas...
One day finally, under the battering-ram of science, dogma will collapse. ...
What is contrary to the visible truth must change or disappear thats the law of life.
Does the knowledge brought by science make men happy? That I dont know. But I observe that man can be happy by deluding himself with false knowledge. ...
Its senseless to encourage man in the idea that hes a king of creation, as the scientist of the past century tried to make him believe. That same man who, in order to get about quicker, has to straddle a horse that mammiferous, brainless being! I dont know a more ridiculous claim.
The Russians were entitled to attack their priests, but they had no right to assail the idea of a supreme force. Its a fact that were feeble creatures, and that a creative force exists. To seek to deny it is folly. In that case, its better to believe something false than not to believe anything at all. Whos that little Bolshevik professor who claims to triumph over creation? People like that, well break them. Whether we rely on the catechism or on philosophy, we have possibilities in reserve, whilst they, with their purely materialistic conceptions, can only devour one another.
When I was a child, only actors and priests had shaven faces. At Leonding, the only civilian whose face was beardless was regarded as the most extreme of eccentrics. The beard gives character to some faces, but its easier to descry the true personality of a shaven man. By the way, the evolution that has taken place in the sense of sobriety seems to accord with the laws of nature. Hasnt man gradually, through the ages, cleared away some of his hair?
One must start by accepting the principle that nature herself gives. all the necessary indications, and that therefore one must follow the rules that she has laid down. ...
In aviation, too, we see that the natural laws retain all their original, value. The Zeppelin was on this account a completely artificial construction. Nature, obviously, has rejected the lighter-than-air principle; she has provided no bird with any sort of balloon, as she has done in the case of the fish. ... The current design of ships certainly does not conform to the laws of nature; if it did, then we should find fish furnished with some sort of propulsive element at the rear, instead of the lateral fins with which they are endowed. Nature would also have given the fish a stream-lined. head, instead of that shape which corresponds more or less exactly to a globule of water.
By the law of nature, the most important person of a nation should be the best man.
One may be repelled by this law of nature which demands that all living things should mutually devour one another. The fly is snapped up by a dragon-fly, which itself is swallowed by a bird, which itself falls victim to a larger bird. This last, as it grows old, becomes a prey to microbes, which end by getting the better of it. These microbes, in their turn, find their predestined ends. ...
The toad knows nothing of his previous existence as a tadpole, and our own memory serves us no better as regards our own previous state. Thats why I have the feeling that its useful to know the laws of naturefor that enables us to obey them. To act otherwise would be to rise in revolt against Heaven.
If I can accept a divine Commandment, its this one: 'Thou shalt preserve the species.' The life of the individual must not be set at too high a price. If the individual were important in the eyes of nature, nature would take care to preserve him. Amongst the millions of eggs a fly lays, very few are hatched outand yet the race of flies thrives. What is important for us, who are men, is less the sum of knowledge acquired than the maintenance of conditions that enable science constantly to renew itself.
Its a mistake to think that man should be guided by his greed. Nature spontaneously eliminates all that has no gift for life. Man, alone amongst the living creatures, tries to deny the laws of nature.
Peace can result only from a natural order. The condition of this order is that there is a hierarchy amongst nations. The most capable nations must necessarily take the lead. In this order, the subordinate nations get the greater profit, being protected by the more capable nations.
It is Jewry that always destroys this order. It constantly provokes the revolt of the weak against the strong, of bestiality against intelligence, of quantity against quality. It took fourteen centuries for Christianity to reach the peak of savagery and stupidity. We would therefore be wrong to sin by excess of confidence and proclaim our definite victory over Bolshevism. The more we render the Jew incapable of harming us, the more we shall protect ourselves from this danger. The Jew plays in nature the role of a catalysing element. A people that is rid of its Jews returns spontaneously to the natural order.
I have always been an ardent disciple of the belief that, in a struggle between peoples, the people with the higher average morale must ways emerge victorious. In my opinion, that an inferior people should triumph over a strong is a negation of the laws of nature.
To not know this, is to not nothing anything about Hitler. You, like RWP, seem to revel in making pronouncements on a subject about which you are ignorant.
Why is that?
"Else the Modern Prophet" Placemarker
"No, I called you a historical revisionist, rewriting the history of the Nazi era to fit your own agenda. That's only one of your many manifest deficiencies."
Again, you are a joke. I have gotten many Freepmails warning me that you have (shall we say) "problems" in dealing in a rational ways with a discussion. You certainly have demonstrated it here.
You claimed Hitler was a Christian. I proved that he was not. You then go on to post what you seem to think is some kind of personal revelation that Hitler and Nazi Germany were anti-Semitic.
That is not rational argumentation. That is some kind of mental illness.
As I noted above, it seems very important to you that you are a an atheist. Your posts here and elsewhere across the internet proclaim this proud achievement.
In that you remind me of homosexuals who insist on gay marriages and every other kind of social recognition. And I suspect both stem from your insecurities and a craving for some kind of acceptance--even permission.
That is why it is so important to you to maintain the lie that Hitler was a Christian.
Likewise, since you have put so much into being an evolutionist, it is essential to you to promote the lie that Hitler did not believe in evolution.
And the truly laughable thing is that you call yourself such a defender of truth and science.
As previously stated, a succession of transitional fossils exists that link reptiles (Class Reptilia) and mammals (Class Mammalia). These particular reptiles are classifie as Subclass Synapsida. Presently, this is the best example of th e transformation of one major higher taxon into another. The morphologic changes that took place are well documented by fossils, beginning with animals essentially 100% reptilian and resulting in animals essentially 100% mammalian. Therefore, I have chosen this as the example to summarize in more detail (Table 1, Fig. 1).
M. Eyes = ?
Nose = ?
Teeth incisors = ?
K. Eyes = ?
Nose = pointy
Teeth incisors = smaller fangs
J. Eyes = Medium
Nose = stubby
Teeth incisors = BIGGER fangs
I. Eyes = Medium
Nose = more pointy
Teeth incisors = big fangs
H. Eyes = Bigger
Nose = more blunt
Teeth incisors = Even more
G. Eyes = real SMALL
Nose = Real pointy
Teeth incisors = More
F. Eyes = Smaller
Nose = Blunt
Teeth incisors = Thin, less
E. Eyes = HUGE!
Nose = pointy, again
Teeth incisors = Smaller
D. Eyes = Smaller
Nose = Holes bigger
Teeth incisors = Bigger
C. Eyes = Huge, again!
Nose = broader
Teeth incisors = very small
B. Eyes = less huge
Nose = narrower
Teeth incisors = ??
A. Eyes = big
Nose = rounded
Teeth incisors = small
After seeing these pix; do you?
NIV 1 Peter 1:17-21
17. Since you call on a Father who judges each man's work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear.
18. For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers,
19. but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.
20. He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.
21. Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.
NIV 1 Corinthians 2:7
No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began.
NIV 2 Timothy 1:8-10
8. So do not be ashamed to testify about our Lord, or ashamed of me his prisoner. But join with me in suffering for the gospel, by the power of God,
9. who has saved us and called us to a holy life--not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time,
10. but it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.
NIV Titus 1:1-4
1. Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ for the faith of God's elect and the knowledge of the truth that leads to godliness--
2. a faith and knowledge resting on the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,
3. and at his appointed season he brought his word to light through the preaching entrusted to me by the command of God our Savior,
4. To Titus, my true son in our common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior.
Get rid of this ANTI-Evolutionary tagline!!
But NOT the 'Breath of LIFE'.
(Except for the I Timothy part. Paul didn't write it.)
Hitler's Table Talk
You might consider venturing a little further than gleaning your sum of knowledge from a site that thinks 9/11 was perpetrated by George Bush.
Bormann was Hitler's shadow. He was a chain-smoking, alcoholic and meat eater, who constantly tried to give up all these things to be like his idol, Adolf Hitler.
It betrays a total and absolute ignorance of Bormann and Hitler to pretend that he would have purposefully and systematically rewritten Hitler's thoughts--which were being recorded for posterity. He wouldn't have dared. Not in a million years.
But more tellingly, the "two scribes" Heim and Picker, both survived Bormann and the war. Picker even went on to author other books. Either one of them could have easily come forward and said that "Table Talk" misrepresented their notes. They didn't.
Furthermore, most of the other participants in these conversations, such as Christa Schroeder, also lived long past the end of the war and the publication of Hitler's conversations. They also wrote books, gave interviews, etc. They could have (and would have) objected to any misrepresentation of Hitler's thoughts. They didn't.
However, I just picked "Table Talk" because it is the most concentrated form of Hitler's thoughts on the subject. But similar expressions also appear in his other books and of course his speeches.
I have presented quite lengthy and thorough documentation of my claims. You have just made assertions and the most ludicrous personal attacks.
You have revealed yourself to be the worst kind of propagandist and liar. All to promote your agenda.
Funny, isn't that what you claim your opponents here do?
(And for the record, I am an atheist and I probably accept more of Darwin's theories than that I reject. I also had never even heard of Intelligent Design until a few weeks ago. So you and your pals can save your "superior than thou" attacks.)
You are clearly mentally unbalanced and a waste of time.
However, there is evidence that atheists are more law-abiding than theists, namely the percentage of atheists in prison (0.2%) is lower than the percentage of atheists in the general population (at least 3%).
Great post, as usual.
I'd like to add that the essay you posted on the reptile-to-mammal transition is from the website of the Gulf Coast Section of the Society of Economic Paleontologists and Mineralogists.
These are the people who make big $$ prospecting for oil and other minerals. They are 100% behind standard science.
The market has spoken. If some nonstandard form of geology or paleontology were true, you could use it to find oil.
Lilith. (or the succubus/great owl/night creature/arrow snake)
Your arguments are refuted continually.
No, not by chance. It was bound to happen by chemistry. It so happened that carbon based life got the first foot-hold, but it's possible that life based on silicon or phosphorus-nitrogen could've occurred.
That's the "chance" : C* life versus S* or PN* life.
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