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So You Really Think Soccer Blows?
9. June 2006 | 1rudethug

Posted on 06/09/2006 8:56:48 AM PDT by 1rudeboy

So you Think Soccer Sucks?

Fine. I am honestly surprised that you could find the energy to type it, or its equivalent. I am not surprised that you are probably the same person complaining that soccer is being “rammed down your throat,” or other such nonsense.

Do you realize how silly you sound? In what sort of universe can a professional sport, any professional sport, be forced upon anyone? Just turn off the sports media. That enough should be understandable to every member of this website, even the re-treads, trolls, disruptors, and shills.

But we need to get a few things straight. Above all else, your team is playing in the largest tournament on the face of our planet. That’s right, your team. Your other teams, be they named Penske, Padres, or Packers, do not perform on such a stage. A Packer fan may tell a Bear fan that his team sucks. The Bear fan will reply in kind. Such is the nature of rivalry. But try and explain to me that soccer is a wussy sport when I see the following:

Mexican fan: Your team sucks.
U.S.A. fan: Soccer is ghey.

Oh yeah, that’s real testosterone on display. Chicks dig a competitor.

If you cannot bring yourself to cheer for or even defend your own country, then how about shutting the heck up. If you cannot bring yourself to shut the heck up, then walk into a stadium full of English, German, or Dutch fans, stand up, and shout the same out loud. But please try those fans first. Other countries’ fans may mistakenly deliver you to a painless death. Drink a beer or two if it makes you brave. Remember that there will always be someone braver than you.

I don’t want to hear about how soccer is a “socialist” sport. It’s insulting. To your intelligence. I don’t care to talk about restrictor-plates, revenue-sharing, anti-trust exemptions, or the Fair Catch Rule, whose very name suggests wine spritzers and flower arrangements. Please understand this is not about the superiority of one sport over another. This is about rising to the pinnacle of a sport that gives every country in the world the opportunity to qualify. It’s a sport. It has a ball. It's about being the best. What more do you need?

Americans love to fight - traditionally. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble player; the fastest runner; the big league ball players; the toughest boxers. Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans despise cowards. Americans play to win - all the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.1

I don’t want to hear that the rules are lame. You don’t know the rules. You all but admitted you don’t watch, so how can you? Injury time, the calculation of which was always the source of debate, is now announced at the sideline as the half is ending. It’s been that way for years. Please try and keep up.

Players take dives. Live with it. It happens in every contact sport. Sometimes a player takes a dive in order to give himself or his teammates a rest. You would also if you just spent the last forty minutes and incalculable miles alternating between a run and a sprint.

Your team needs you. Your country needs you. The next couple weeks will not be easy and will only become harder, and the stakes higher, as time goes on. Sure, I think Landon Donavan is a priss, DaMarcus Beasley is over-rated, and Claudio Reyna is too old. It matters not. I do not expect you to start drinking at 5AM. I do not expect you to march down Main Street with the Stars & Stripes. I do not expect four Chicago cops in riot-gear come to the apartment (my personal best). But I expect you to get behind your team or get out of my way.

Thanks for letting me “share.” Thanks for letting me “emote.” Chuckle if you wish. Just remember that somewhere (not necessarily in Germany) someone in American gear is drinking and dancing with a hot Brazilian, or Swedish, or Australian chick and you are not.

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1George S. Patton, Speech to the Third Army, 1944.


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To: Darkwolf377

You must be new to these soccer threads.


201 posted on 06/12/2006 4:02:38 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

OK, let's try again--you don't know the difference between being told something, and being forced to do something?


202 posted on 06/12/2006 4:03:12 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: austinTparty

We need to get a Euro with attitude in here to be our next coach.

I think if Klinsmann succeeds with Germany, then he would be the logical choice to be the US Coach in 2010. He lives in California, and has an American wife. He is still a little green as a coach, but he's got some interesting ideas about training, and he knows how soccer needs to be played at the next level. It might not be a good fit with the more conservative German soccer crowd, but it just might be the shot in the arm the US team needs. We'll see.


203 posted on 06/12/2006 4:04:01 PM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: Darkwolf377

Of course I do. Your turn--you've never seen someone complain that soccer is being "forced down his throat," or other such nonsense?


204 posted on 06/12/2006 4:06:47 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
See post #193--you know, when I answered your assertion the first time?

If you can't recall a point you already made and my response to it after ten minutes or so, you're not scoring too many points in this debate. But considering the game you're into, scoring points probably isn't a priority with you.

205 posted on 06/12/2006 4:10:26 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: Darkwolf377

Ok, you've never seen it . . . therefore it does not exist. Got it.


206 posted on 06/12/2006 4:14:59 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: BJClinton
Is that the "sport" where a bunch of homosexuals in pajamas run around kicking the round white and black ball?

I'm not one of these bashers the Superfan on this thread is whining about, but I find it to be a sport for little boys. Even the pro players seem like girlyman types--or maybe I should say metrosexuals, since they could kick my head in. I'm not attacking their sexuality, I'm saying they remind me of the "boymen" who are ruining this world, the kind who never want to grow up, or "win" if it means someone else loses.

It's a sport that gives off a vibe of wannabes, which is why its fans get so violent--they have no lives so they invest all their ego into a sport of unthreatening stand-ins.

207 posted on 06/12/2006 4:18:47 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: 1rudeboy
You don't have a lot of ability at debate, do you?

You asked if I've seen it. I haven't.

Your response is to pout and whine "OK, you've never seen it...therefore it does not exist."

You asked: "Your turn--you've never seen someone complain that soccer is being "forced down his throat," or other such nonsense?"

My answer is no, I haven't seen it. Period.

So stop whining like a little baby because I didn't give you the answer you wanted.

Keep going, you're doing wonders for the reputation of soccer fans.

208 posted on 06/12/2006 4:21:44 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: 1rudeboy

How lonely you must feel - being an American (?) who loves soccer. Using patriotism to cajole others into watching this sport (I kind of enjoy watching if nothing else is on) tells me how desperate soccer fans are to get us involved.


209 posted on 06/12/2006 4:29:15 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: 1rudeboy
My son in law (from Ecuador by way of Canada) told me that one team had a player that produced an "auto-goal" scoring against his team and the fans killed him after the match. This may be an urban legend, but the hooligans and deaths of fans at soccer matches are not.

Americans like "war" for killing people and "sports" for community interaction and spending quality time with the kids. That's why we have family zones at the stadiums. Would you bring your kid to soccer?

One of my employees is from Morocco. He told me that Morocco had beaten the American team at some match, and that the fans were very rude and the US fans didn't respond, they "just took it." He wants to be a US citizen and he just couldn't understand why the US fans were so passive.

I explained to him that good athletes in America usually play football, or baseball or basketball and even hockey. That for an American athlete to choose soccer, he's like a really ugly man choosing a life of chastity.

I suspect that there are Americans wearing some sort of USA jersey involved in synchronized swimming but it doesn't make my heart swell with pride the way, say, the sound of an F-16 does.

I actually think it's good that there is one thing on this planet that allows third worlders a brief feeling of superiority over the US. It's a fair exchange. We get to be a super-power, but we have to suck at something we don't care about--and the world gets a chance to feel a little less resentful.

I'll also admit that I think the Norwegians make better lutefisk than the US and that Morocco has better camels and that Dracula is Romanian ...(another employee is from Romania.) The families they left behind may not have electricity, paved roads or modern plumbing, but they can be proud of beating the US at soccer.

VS


210 posted on 06/12/2006 5:00:06 PM PDT by Dutchgirl (Jeg er en dansker (I am a Dane.))
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To: Dutchgirl
My son in law (from Ecuador by way of Canada) told me that one team had a player that produced an "auto-goal" scoring against his team and the fans killed him after the match. This may be an urban legend, but the hooligans and deaths of fans at soccer matches are not.

No, it's true. It happened after the 94 Cup to Andres Escobar of Colombia.

211 posted on 06/12/2006 5:02:51 PM PDT by darkangel82
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To: Dutchgirl
C'mon Dutchie. Without soccer where would the Capri sun and orange slice businesses be in this country? ;)
212 posted on 06/12/2006 5:14:46 PM PDT by secret garden (Dubiety reigns here)
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To: secret garden
Capri sun and orange slice

In my previous post, I referred to "really ugly men who choose chastity."

Imagine you are an advertising agency "selling" soccer in the US. I saw a few interesting commercials in spanish today at my daughter's house. She was watching univision because there isn't an English speaking channel carrying the world cup in this market. I saw a lot of coca-cola ads and a lot of silicone...


213 posted on 06/12/2006 5:27:48 PM PDT by Dutchgirl (Jeg er en dansker (I am a Dane.))
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To: Dutchgirl

Omigosh, those balloons are suffocating her!


214 posted on 06/12/2006 5:29:14 PM PDT by secret garden (Dubiety reigns here)
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To: 1rudeboy

That makes sense now that I think about it, since I considered it to be a six of one/half a dozen of the other kind of thing--i.e.: why tack on extra time to the game when you could just stop the clock?


215 posted on 06/12/2006 5:31:36 PM PDT by GOP_Raider (FR's token San Francisco Giants fan)
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To: raybbr

Please, please, please try to read the original post before responding. "Please understand this is not about the superiority of one sport over another."


216 posted on 06/12/2006 5:32:59 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: GOP_Raider

If you wish to see what messing with the clock can do . . . check out MLS. What an abomination.


217 posted on 06/12/2006 5:34:11 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Darkwolf377
I identified three (or more) themes that people who are so insecure about their own manhood use to bash soccer, and posted them in the form of a itty bitty essay. Your response? "I haven't seen it." Positively brilliant. As far as image is concerned, do you think I care? Do you expect me to believe that you arrived on this thread with an open mind? LOL
218 posted on 06/12/2006 5:37:46 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Dutchgirl
I don't have kids. If I did, I would understand the risk of bringing them to any sporting event.
219 posted on 06/12/2006 5:40:14 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Darkwolf377

220 posted on 06/12/2006 5:54:54 PM PDT by BJClinton (There's plenty of room for all God's creatures, right next to the mashed potatoes.)
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To: 1rudeboy
I identified three (or more) themes that people who are so insecure about their own manhood use to bash soccer, and posted them in the form of a itty bitty essay. Your response? "I haven't seen it." Positively brilliant. As far as image is concerned, do you think I care? Do you expect me to believe that you arrived on this thread with an open mind? LOL

What the hell are you talking about?

When did I say word one about your obsession with manhood?

When did you refer me to, or ask my opinion of, this "essay"? The post number, please.

When did I respond "I haven't seen it" to this essay? The post number, please.

Why would I arrive on this thread with any more of an "open mind" than you have?

I have addressed specific questions, while you have blatantly lied. Your posts are full of LOLs instead of addressing specific points. Then you simply INVENT things you want me to have said ("OK, so you didn't see it so it doesn't exist") like a schoolgirl.

Your whole thread is about these supposed comments about people whining about being "forced" to do something, so you in turn are being "forced" to read their comments?

You are obsessed with this manhood question--pretty typical for a teenager, so I am guessing from your inability to debate in a logical, honest manner without resorting to childish lies and insults--so I am guessing you are a young boy on a soccer team (or an arrested development case who WAS a boy on a soccer team) and you have a grudge because someone made jokes about your manhood.

Being a soccer player doesn't make you a wuss; being a liar and someone who can't have an honest debate does.

221 posted on 06/12/2006 6:00:06 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: BJClinton
LOL!

I can't add anything to that, it's just funny.

222 posted on 06/12/2006 6:00:44 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: Darkwolf377

Yeah, that's kinda like a pic of Helen Thomas. Just a visual hand grenade thrown into the thread.


223 posted on 06/12/2006 6:02:35 PM PDT by BJClinton (There's plenty of room for all God's creatures, right next to the mashed potatoes.)
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To: Dutchgirl

Show of hands here, how many guys actually find that attractive?


224 posted on 06/12/2006 6:04:36 PM PDT by BJClinton (There's plenty of room for all God's creatures, right next to the mashed potatoes.)
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To: BJClinton

Based on this kid who put up the thread and his childish behavior, I'm thinking that's a good illustration of the inner soccerboy.


225 posted on 06/12/2006 6:04:55 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: BJClinton
Show of hands here, how many guys actually find that attractive?

Not me, it looks like a transvestite. Must be a pro soccer player on the town.

226 posted on 06/12/2006 6:11:50 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: Darkwolf377
Our exchange began (as far as I can tell) over a selection you posted from some Twin Cities paper. I began with, "as an aside." The purpose of this thread was to take some of the heat off the daily World Cup threads, and it has been a resounding success.

As far as this lying BS, I'd suggest coming back to this thread in a day or two and re-reading our exchange. One of the reasons it went to crap so quickly is because you failed to understand that I was speaking of a general notion, and you were fixated on what you had or had not said. Please bear in mind that this is the Smoky Backroom, not a Debating Society.

227 posted on 06/12/2006 6:13:43 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Darkwolf377

Did I hurt your feelings, n00b? One symptom is whining about it to another FReeper.


228 posted on 06/12/2006 6:17:14 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Our exchange began (as far as I can tell) over a selection you posted from some Twin Cities paper. I began with, "as an aside." The purpose of this thread was to take some of the heat off the daily World Cup threads, and it has been a resounding success. As far as this lying BS, I'd suggest coming back to this thread in a day or two and re-reading our exchange. One of the reasons it went to crap so quickly is because you failed to understand that I was speaking of a general notion, and you were fixated on what you had or had not said. Please bear in mind that this is the Smoky Backroom, not a Debating Society.

BS. Anyone who looks at the posts will see you TRIED to address my specific points. Now that you've completely failed--and completey lied--you're running away. It's now suddenly not a debating society when someone calls you on a blatant lie.

Oh, and the "I only started this thread to take the heat off" line is wearing thin, since you have attempted to engage so many posters here in debate.

Anyone who suspects soccer fans are a bunch of wusses only need look at your pathetic responses.

229 posted on 06/12/2006 6:18:36 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: 1rudeboy
Did I hurt your feelings, n00b? One symptom is whining about it to another FReeper.

God knows you haven't whined to any FReepers on this thread...which you created to whine.

Now go off and watch some more men in shorts running around together.

230 posted on 06/12/2006 6:20:20 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: Darkwolf377
I played most of you for suckers . . . all that time spent posting comments like "soccer is for girls" and whatnot here was less time spent posting it elsewhere. You can look at four days of World Cup threads and admire my work (although it looks like the Mods have resorted to pulling comments from the trolls).

Is that why you're so upset? You've been had.

231 posted on 06/12/2006 6:25:20 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Please, please, please try to read the original post before responding.

I did:

Your team needs you. Your country needs you. The next couple weeks will not be easy and will only become harder, and the stakes higher, as time goes on. Sure, I think Landon Donavan is a priss, DaMarcus Beasley is over-rated, and Claudio Reyna is too old. It matters not. I do not expect you to start drinking at 5AM. I do not expect you to march down Main Street with the Stars & Stripes. I do not expect four Chicago cops in riot-gear come to the apartment (my personal best). But I expect you to get behind your team or get out of my way.

Tell me tha isn't a blatant attempt to use patriotism to foment interest in a sport that most people aren't interested in?

I wasn't being sarcastic. I was being serious. It must be hard to love a sport as much as you do only to be chided for it.

Just remember that somewhere (not necessarily in Germany) someone in American gear is drinking and dancing with a hot Brazilian, or Swedish, or Australian chick and you are not.

Did you think you could taunt people and not be called on it? Childish.

232 posted on 06/12/2006 6:25:30 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Darkwolf377
I'm giving you the chance to back off. I will gladly continue if you wish: Instead of crying like a baby, why don't you post in detail this "lie" of mine?
233 posted on 06/12/2006 6:28:16 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
I played most of you for suckers . . . all that time spent posting comments like "soccer is for girls" and whatnot here was less time spent posting it elsewhere.

What a feep--if I felt like posting a negative comment there I would have. You think this is going to cover all the whining you did on this thread? "Oh, I MEANT to whine like a baby, and when someone tried to discuss it, I argued until I was caught BSing, and then I ran away--ha ha!"

You can look at four days of World Cup threads and admire my work (although it looks like the Mods have resorted to pulling comments from the trolls). Is that why you're so upset? You've been had.

You're preening about keeping your precious World Cup threads clean?

Thanks for promoting the "Soccer-fan-as-dweeb" sterotype.

234 posted on 06/12/2006 6:29:50 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: raybbr

When one cannot bring themselves to cheer for their country in an international competition, then it is a perfectly acceptable consideration. Again, no one is saying you are unpatriotic, we are merely discussing the limits of your patriotism. And please note that my request was more along the lines of, if you cannot bring yourself to do it, then stay out of the way of others who can.


235 posted on 06/12/2006 6:31:37 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Darkwolf377

I refer you to my reply #233.


236 posted on 06/12/2006 6:32:14 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
I'm giving you the chance to back off. I will gladly continue if you wish: Instead of crying like a baby, why don't you post in detail this "lie" of mine?

Oh, so now it's NOT the Smokey Backroom--now you want to "discuss"? I thought you were playing us all for suckers--instead you actually MEANT everything on this thread?

Dude--you don't even realize you just outed yourself as being full of it. Congratulations!

P.S. The lie has already been pointed out up thread. Good going, though--by attempting to reignite the debate you ran away from, you have revealed your BSing for all to see.

237 posted on 06/12/2006 6:32:35 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: 1rudeboy

It's fun watching you squirm!


238 posted on 06/12/2006 6:33:03 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: 1rudeboy

Obviously I think soccer sucks, that's why I stay off of the World Cup threads. Folks who troll them suck worse than soccer.


239 posted on 06/12/2006 6:34:09 PM PDT by BJClinton (There's plenty of room for all God's creatures, right next to the mashed potatoes.)
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To: BJClinton
Now that is an well-developed insult. Excellent!
240 posted on 06/12/2006 6:36:20 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Darkwolf377
Squirming is boring. So are you planning to get on with it, or not? Ask someone (you can ask practically anyone) how to compose a insult. There was a good one posted just above.
241 posted on 06/12/2006 6:41:22 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

This is fun.


242 posted on 06/12/2006 6:45:04 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: Darkwolf377

I agree. Wouldn't be here otherwise.


243 posted on 06/12/2006 6:46:52 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

You obviously enjoy being made a fool of, you do it so well. ;)


244 posted on 06/12/2006 6:52:09 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: Darkwolf377

It happens from time to time. I'll let you know when it does.


245 posted on 06/12/2006 6:57:46 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Again, no one is saying you are unpatriotic, we are merely discussing the limits of your patriotism.

That's ridiculous. Judging someone's patriotism by whether or not they root for an American team.

I rooted every time for Patrick Rafter against Pete Sampras. Does that make me unpatriotic, too?

246 posted on 06/12/2006 6:59:31 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: 1rudeboy
This is the Smoky Backroom. You must be looking for Linens & Things.

Soccer still blows, but that was purdydamn funny

247 posted on 06/12/2006 7:59:50 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: 1rudeboy
87 days away!!
248 posted on 06/12/2006 8:10:06 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (Desoto county MS Freeper)
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To: Darkwolf377
I'm not attacking their sexuality, I'm saying they remind me of the "boymen" who are ruining this world, the kind who never want to grow up, or "win" if it means someone else loses.

I won't attack their sexuality. I just question the limits of said sexuality.

249 posted on 06/12/2006 8:12:05 PM PDT by JRios1968 (There's 3 kinds of people in this world...those who know math and those who don't.)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

"There are just not enough lesbians to make the WNBA into a real
money-making business!"
--Tom Leykis (shock jock of 97.1 FM in Los Angeles)


250 posted on 06/12/2006 8:14:00 PM PDT by VOA
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