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So You Really Think Soccer Blows?
9. June 2006 | 1rudethug

Posted on 06/09/2006 8:56:48 AM PDT by 1rudeboy

So you Think Soccer Sucks?

Fine. I am honestly surprised that you could find the energy to type it, or its equivalent. I am not surprised that you are probably the same person complaining that soccer is being “rammed down your throat,” or other such nonsense.

Do you realize how silly you sound? In what sort of universe can a professional sport, any professional sport, be forced upon anyone? Just turn off the sports media. That enough should be understandable to every member of this website, even the re-treads, trolls, disruptors, and shills.

But we need to get a few things straight. Above all else, your team is playing in the largest tournament on the face of our planet. That’s right, your team. Your other teams, be they named Penske, Padres, or Packers, do not perform on such a stage. A Packer fan may tell a Bear fan that his team sucks. The Bear fan will reply in kind. Such is the nature of rivalry. But try and explain to me that soccer is a wussy sport when I see the following:

Mexican fan: Your team sucks.
U.S.A. fan: Soccer is ghey.

Oh yeah, that’s real testosterone on display. Chicks dig a competitor.

If you cannot bring yourself to cheer for or even defend your own country, then how about shutting the heck up. If you cannot bring yourself to shut the heck up, then walk into a stadium full of English, German, or Dutch fans, stand up, and shout the same out loud. But please try those fans first. Other countries’ fans may mistakenly deliver you to a painless death. Drink a beer or two if it makes you brave. Remember that there will always be someone braver than you.

I don’t want to hear about how soccer is a “socialist” sport. It’s insulting. To your intelligence. I don’t care to talk about restrictor-plates, revenue-sharing, anti-trust exemptions, or the Fair Catch Rule, whose very name suggests wine spritzers and flower arrangements. Please understand this is not about the superiority of one sport over another. This is about rising to the pinnacle of a sport that gives every country in the world the opportunity to qualify. It’s a sport. It has a ball. It's about being the best. What more do you need?

Americans love to fight - traditionally. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble player; the fastest runner; the big league ball players; the toughest boxers. Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans despise cowards. Americans play to win - all the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.1

I don’t want to hear that the rules are lame. You don’t know the rules. You all but admitted you don’t watch, so how can you? Injury time, the calculation of which was always the source of debate, is now announced at the sideline as the half is ending. It’s been that way for years. Please try and keep up.

Players take dives. Live with it. It happens in every contact sport. Sometimes a player takes a dive in order to give himself or his teammates a rest. You would also if you just spent the last forty minutes and incalculable miles alternating between a run and a sprint.

Your team needs you. Your country needs you. The next couple weeks will not be easy and will only become harder, and the stakes higher, as time goes on. Sure, I think Landon Donavan is a priss, DaMarcus Beasley is over-rated, and Claudio Reyna is too old. It matters not. I do not expect you to start drinking at 5AM. I do not expect you to march down Main Street with the Stars & Stripes. I do not expect four Chicago cops in riot-gear come to the apartment (my personal best). But I expect you to get behind your team or get out of my way.

Thanks for letting me “share.” Thanks for letting me “emote.” Chuckle if you wish. Just remember that somewhere (not necessarily in Germany) someone in American gear is drinking and dancing with a hot Brazilian, or Swedish, or Australian chick and you are not.

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1George S. Patton, Speech to the Third Army, 1944.


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KEYWORDS: booooooooring; caprisuntime; dryingpaint; fifa; growinggrass; isitstillon; itsstilljustsoccer; orangesliceanyone; soccer; wakemewhenitsdone; worldcup
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To: Dutchgirl
My son in law (from Ecuador by way of Canada) told me that one team had a player that produced an "auto-goal" scoring against his team and the fans killed him after the match. This may be an urban legend, but the hooligans and deaths of fans at soccer matches are not.

Not an urban legend...and really, what's the deal with that?!

Folks in Seattle think the refs gave Super Bowl XL to Pittsburgh...I have yet to hear about any dead "zebras."

251 posted on 06/12/2006 8:15:09 PM PDT by JRios1968 (There's 3 kinds of people in this world...those who know math and those who don't.)
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To: 1rudeboy
If you wish to see what messing with the clock can do . . .check out MLS. What an abomination.

There, it's more to the point.

252 posted on 06/12/2006 8:16:39 PM PDT by JRios1968 (There's 3 kinds of people in this world...those who know math and those who don't.)
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To: 1rudeboy; Coop; onja

Thanks for illustrating my points so well. Your lack of self-security about the activity you try to pass as a sport leads each of you to attack the messenger.

By the way, if my understanding of succer is anywhere close to being up to par, your US team of overgrown 8-year olds got itself owned today. Boy, don't they just make you proud to be an American? In fact, let me get out my Lee Greenwood CD and my big ole flag, which I will fly in their honor on Thursday.

But hey, we will all welcome them back home with wide open arms when they come back to the US next week.

Oh, who am I kidding? You will welcome them, the vast majority of Americans won't notice and still won't care.


253 posted on 06/12/2006 8:26:27 PM PDT by JRios1968 (There's 3 kinds of people in this world...those who know math and those who don't.)
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To: the scotsman
do Americans ever think that being in the minority could mean they are wrong?

No.
254 posted on 06/13/2006 1:27:38 AM PDT by secret garden (Dubiety reigns here)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

haha.. thats a funny one.
I wonder who even watches that trash game WNBA, how they even find sponsors and generate cash to keep the sport going, a truely boring sport.


255 posted on 06/13/2006 1:34:40 AM PDT by GregH
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To: newgeezer

A lot of people find baseball to be incredibly boring, their conservative credentials are pretty solid.


256 posted on 06/13/2006 1:37:13 AM PDT by GregH
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To: GregH

They are bankrolled by the NBA.


257 posted on 06/13/2006 1:37:41 AM PDT by secret garden (Dubiety reigns here)
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To: Darkwolf377

Poor argument.

Britain was THE world power until the 1940's.

And 'soccer;'was,as now the no1 sport.

So then,the nation that invented football(the Scots and English) was also the sole superpower on earth...


258 posted on 06/13/2006 2:00:46 AM PDT by the scotsman
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To: JRios1968
You're so blind you're beyond help. :-D I never once made mention of soccer. Not once. I just laughed at your juvenile and inconsistent attempts to insult the adults here on a soccer-related thread.

And then you launch into the "neener neener, your team lost!" approach. Very mature. Perhaps next you can tell us that Peyton Manning "sucks" as a quarterback.

259 posted on 06/13/2006 4:26:40 AM PDT by Coop (FR= a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: GregH
All sports are boring, except this one.
260 posted on 06/13/2006 6:24:01 AM PDT by tuffydoodle (Shut up voices, or I'll poke you with a Q-Tip again.)
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To: Coop
Perhaps next you can tell us that Peyton Manning "sucks" as a quarterback.

Nah, Peyton is actually a decent QB...decent. He just has to be able to seal the deal, i.e. win the Big Games.

Donovan McNabb on the other hand...

261 posted on 06/13/2006 6:38:00 AM PDT by JRios1968 (There's 3 kinds of people in this world...those who know math and those who don't.)
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To: 1rudeboy
Ah whatever. Not only is football the biggest sport circus on earth but also the one with the most haters.

I actually like to watch and play most big sports that were invented in the USA, except from Rugby-with-Pads. But hell, not to love football is just wrong. Misguided and wrong.

Greetings from Dortmund. This is the biggest party I ever saw. And tomorrow it's GER vs. POL in our stadium. This city will burn.

262 posted on 06/13/2006 11:32:53 AM PDT by Schweinhund
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To: Schweinhund

Don't forget to watch Dirk and the Mavs destroy Miami.


263 posted on 06/13/2006 11:34:11 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: discostu
No that's not it. Soccer is pushed in elementary school because it's cheap,

Explain why all those poor latin countries are so good as bsseball...

264 posted on 06/13/2006 11:47:48 AM PDT by smith288 (goBIGnetwork.com - You a startup?)
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To: dfwgator

I can't watch it as it only runs at 3 in the morning on a Pay TV channel I can't recieve. I can just hope my basketball-crazy friend will tape it as usual.


265 posted on 06/13/2006 11:56:32 AM PDT by Schweinhund
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To: 1rudeboy
So You Really Think Soccer Blows?

Oh yeaaaaa. You betcha!

266 posted on 06/13/2006 12:03:23 PM PDT by TruthFactor (The Death of Nations... pornography,homosexuality,abortion)
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To: the scotsman
Doesnt it EVER cross America's mind that it alone does not have 'soccer' as its no1 sport?..do Americans ever think that being in the minority could mean they are wrong?.

Wrong about what? We must be an inferior country because the majority of us think soccer sucks? Give me a break. Being in the minority in the soccer debate bring American pride to my heart.

267 posted on 06/13/2006 12:08:32 PM PDT by smith288 (goBIGnetwork.com - You a startup?)
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To: smith288

Being pushed in elementary school has very little to do with a nation's ability to assemble a few good players or teams. Soccer has been pushed heavily in elementary school in America for over 30 years (ie more than 5 complete waves of elementary school students) and we've only just barely begun to produce enough pretty good players for our national team to make it to the good part of the World Cup. Latin America has a love of baseball that runs deep and long, for an individual player baseball is pretty cheap (a glove and a bat or even a stick and you're good to go), easy for even poor Latin American kids to afford, it's on a school level when you're trying to give 30 odd kids some excercise that baseball gets expensive.


268 posted on 06/13/2006 12:18:40 PM PDT by discostu (get on your feet and do the funky Alphonzo)
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To: dfwgator

I'd rather have "Der Kaiser"! :-) He is actually helicoptering (!) to every match... That said, the Eastern European coaches seem to be getting results these days... Arena merely looked bored, although it was said he is really p.o.'ed at the team at the moment, for obvious reasons.


269 posted on 06/13/2006 12:28:03 PM PDT by austinTparty
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270 posted on 06/13/2006 3:38:40 PM PDT by guitar4jesus (Black Conservative . . . I think, I vote!)
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To: raybbr
I rooted every time for Patrick Rafter against Pete Sampras. Does that make me unpatriotic, too?

Only if you spammed every tennis thread you could find with the earthbreaking news that you think tennis sucks. And I'm not including this thread, where I actually welcomed it.

271 posted on 06/14/2006 7:24:46 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: smith288
Explain why all those poor latin countries are so good as baseball . . . .

Speaking of which, I actually looked forward to the World Baseball Classic. I am embarassed that we did so poorly, yet for some reason I saw no need to convince my fellow FReepers that baseball is for girls.

272 posted on 06/14/2006 7:28:29 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Speaking of which, I actually looked forward to the World Baseball Classic. I am embarassed that we did so poorly, yet for some reason I saw no need to convince my fellow FReepers that baseball is for girls.

I also didnt see a need to make a thread trying to convince them that its not for girls. ;)

273 posted on 06/14/2006 8:16:06 AM PDT by smith288 (goBIGnetwork.com - You a startup?)
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To: smith288

That wasn't the purpose of this thread.


274 posted on 06/14/2006 8:18:57 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
So you Think Soccer Sucks?

Why, yes I do. Thanks for asking.

275 posted on 06/14/2006 11:14:33 AM PDT by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings...Modesty hides my thighs in her wings...)
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To: 1rudeboy
Soccer (as opposed to "futbol" or what the Europeans and the rest of the world call football) is a great sport. I coached my sons from the ages of 6 and 7 to about 14. That is when soccer is interesting. 13 and 14 year olds who know what they are doing on small fields. Offense, defense and strategy. Not what the World Cup offers.

After saying that, I will likely not spend any time watching the World Cup games on TV. For us Americans, the problems with soccer revolve around the fact that as it is currently configured, soccer is not made for TV. The field is too big, there are too many players and there is little if any real action. Most of what you see on TV now is the green field, a few players and the ball being kicked back and forth in the middle of the field far from the goals.

Soccer should be changed for American TV and interest, considering that it is the most popular sport for kids these days. Make the field about the size of an American football field or smaller, reduce the teams to 7 or 8 a side and find ways to increase scoring. You need more action. The rules on the clock are ridiculous. Make 2 or 3 periods of specific time length and in the last 2 minutes stop the clock. No more of this arbitrary "extra time" decided by referees. Until the game is changed (not likely given that the rest of the world seems to like the way it is set up), it will be difficult to get significant American fan support.
276 posted on 06/14/2006 12:01:56 PM PDT by kevinm13 (The Main Stream Media is dead! Fox News Channel Rocks!)
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To: 1rudeboy
Soccer (as opposed to "futbol" or what the Europeans and the rest of the world call football) is a great sport. I coached my sons from the ages of 6 and 7 to about 14. That is when soccer is interesting. 13 and 14 year olds who know what they are doing on small fields. Offence, defence and strategy. The best team usually wins. Not what the World Cup offers. Not decided by a stupid referee call or lack of call. Sheer luck can win games considering the low scores. A lucky shot from mid-field (a long way away) can win a game.

After saying that, I will likely not spend any time watching the World Cup games on TV. For us Americans, the problems with soccer revolve around the fact that as it is currently configured, soccer is not made for TV. The field is too big, there are too many players and there is little if any real action. Most of what you see on TV now is the green field, a few players and the ball being kicked back and forth in the middle of the field far from the goals.

Soccer should be changed for American TV and interest, considering that it is the most popular sport for kids these days. Make the field about the size of an American football field or smaller, reduce the teams to 7 or 8 a side and find ways to increase scoring. You need more action. The rules on the clock are ridiculous. Make 2 or 3 periods of specific time length and in the last 2 minutes stop the clock. No more of this arbitrary "extra time" decided by referees. Until the game is changed (not likely given that the rest of the world seems to like the way it is set up), it will be difficult to get significant American fan support.
277 posted on 06/14/2006 12:04:57 PM PDT by kevinm13 (The Main Stream Media is dead! Fox News Channel Rocks!)
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To: kevinm13
I kind of like the indoor soccer concept. Never played it myself, though.

I don't think regular soccer should be changed, however. People that like watching it will, and others won't. If I was an advertiser, I'd hate it . . . witness the lack of interest in the current World Cup. That alone will make it a second-tier sport in the U.S.

As far as physical conditioning goes, if I was a parent (and living in a perfect world) I'd want my kids playing soccer, if only to prepare them for the sport of their choice.

278 posted on 06/14/2006 5:29:56 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: soccer fan

Sean Taylor would hit a bitch soccer player so hard, his lungs would collapse and his mother would die of shock.

You know many, many people died playing football until Roosevelt made them change some rules/equipment for safety. That's why they wear pads and helmets, dip.


279 posted on 06/15/2006 12:06:01 AM PDT by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: Darkwolf377

Actually, the great myth is that soccer is #1 everywhere. Lithuania's national sport is basketball. Basketball has made inroads in many places and it's probably more popular in China than soccer is.

Baseball is more part of a few Latin countries than soccer is, just as it is more popular in Japan.

What I will say is that soccer is only the sport because it is cheap and easy to play, caters to an older mindset. Try to get a bunch of kids to play soccer and it takes about 2 minutes to explain the basics. Try to explain football in that time.

People also tend to forget that North America (meaning Canada and US) invented their own sports and don't NEED a handed down sport. Just the fact that hockey, basketball and EVEN football are so popular elsewhere in the world just shows that OUR Sports have their own appeal and that maybe we just innovated a superior set of options for ourselves. Why follow soccer when you can watch the slower baseball, powerful and dramatic football or the ebbs and flows of basketball and performances like Wade's last night.


280 posted on 06/15/2006 12:22:13 AM PDT by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: Skywalk
Sean Taylor would hit a bitch soccer player so hard, his lungs would collapse and his mother would die of shock.

Probably. But he'd have to catch the soccer player before collapsing of oxygen deprivation. I know he's fast, but he'd only feast on the slow.

281 posted on 06/15/2006 7:45:35 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Skywalk

Great post. I've always been suspicious of that whole "everyone but the US does it," since I've met no Canadians who enjoy it. Not that that means NONE of them do, only that it's odd considering soccer's supposed dominance.


282 posted on 06/15/2006 9:29:11 AM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: Skywalk
>Why follow soccer when you can watch the slower baseball, powerful and dramatic football or the ebbs and flows of basketball and performances like Wade's last night?

Because of the unique combination of tempo, strategy, tactics, personal skill and beer. Basketball is closest to football in terms of continuous gameplay, flow, whatever (that's what makes it interesting to me) but it's the larger scale of field in combination with the lower score that makes football even better in my eyes.

283 posted on 06/15/2006 11:52:55 AM PDT by Schweinhund
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To: 1rudeboy
First off, let me say I love what you have on your homepage. LOL!!!

All I can say is that once you travel to different countries, you realize how important soccer is and also start to get excited about it. Especially the World Cup. I enjoy watching certain matches and of course watching the U.S.

284 posted on 06/16/2006 2:47:39 PM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Vote out the RINO's; volunteer to help get Conservative Republicans elected!)
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To: 1rudeboy
So You Really Think Soccer Blows?

Well, not as much as curling does, but yeah. Thanks for your interst.

285 posted on 06/19/2006 2:32:55 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (You can do that, and be a whack-job pedophile on meth.)
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To: 1rudeboy

soccer ... the sport of socialist/communists world wide.

By the way, does every team get a trophy for "trying their best" and "...everyone is a winner ... oh goody".

And its not Nill, its Zero or Nothing as in "The score is 1, Nothing or 1 - Zip".


286 posted on 06/20/2006 2:00:50 PM PDT by MaDeuce (Do it to them, before they do it to you! (MaDuce = M2HB .50 BMG))
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To: MaDuce
It's one thing to observe that the world is becoming pussified around you, and a completely another thing not to realize that you "share" in the blame as much as I. As far as I know, the whole "let's be gentle to our kids" concept is home-grown in the U.S.A. Doesn't that make you proud?

As for the whole communist/socialist aspect, I dealt with it in my original post. It's fair to point out that Latin American countries such as Brazil, Argentina, etc. have won roughly 50% of the World Cups, but completely unfair to suggest that political philosophy determines the outcome. Quite silly, really.

287 posted on 06/20/2006 2:53:48 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: raybbr
I rooted every time for Patrick Rafter against Pete Sampras.

This is a dang funny thread...but why would you root for Rafter against anybody? Is he a relative?

288 posted on 06/22/2006 6:51:34 AM PDT by USMMA_83 (Tantra is my fetish ;))
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To: USMMA_83
This is a dang funny thread...but why would you root for Rafter against anybody? Is he a relative?

No. He was a great player who played serve-and-volley like I do. And, Pete Sampras was and is, an ass.

289 posted on 06/22/2006 2:22:19 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: FeliciaCat
From my experience you couldn't be farther from the truth. I was in physical therapy in Portland Oregon in 1979 and 1980 and the soccer team the Portland Storm worked out there. They were the biggest sissies on the planet. The rest of us were injured and in pain and pissed and moaned about a workout. I played soccer in high school I have the scars to prove it, but I have no respect for the sport.
290 posted on 06/28/2006 10:15:51 PM PDT by BruceysMom (.I'm hot & not in a good way, menopause ain't for sissies.)
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To: BruceysMom

injured and in pain and THEY pissed and moaned. Sorry.


291 posted on 06/28/2006 10:17:58 PM PDT by BruceysMom (.I'm hot & not in a good way, menopause ain't for sissies.)
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