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School Shooting:Multiple Deaths in Lancaster, PA Amish School, Shooter Kills Self
Fox News Alert ^ | 02 OCT 06

Posted on 10/02/2006 9:16:45 AM PDT by DCBryan1

Edited on 10/02/2006 12:55:46 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Developing....

School Shooting injures one person,

Hostage situation may be developing.

Update: Multiple Shooting Victims and Possible Hostages in Lancaster County

Not many details available yet, but an incident has been reported from Mine Rd. in Bart Township in Lancaster County involving multiple gunshot victims. Dennis Buterbaugh reports live from our newsroom. abc27 has a news crew on the way. We will update with details as they become available.

Update 2: Pennsylvania Police: Amish School is 'Horrendous Crime Scene' After Shooting

NICKEL MINES, Pa. — At least two female students and one slightly older female — who may have been a teacher's aide — were shot and killed execution style in what police say may be a revenge killing for something that happened 20 years ago.

State Police Commissioner Jeffrey Miller said Monday that truck driver Charles Carl Roberts IV entered the one-room Amish schoolhouse in earlier in the day. The gunman brought in pieces of wood to board up the doors to the building when he entered the school. He also stacked desks against the building's doors.

"It appears that the suspect entered school with the intention of taking hostages," Miller said.

Roberts had wire ties and plastic flex cuff, which he used to begin tying the hostages feet together after they were lined up along a blackboard. He let go 15 male students, as well as one adult female who was pregnant. Three other non-student females with infants were also allowed to leave. One shotgun and one handgun was found next to the suspect when police entered the building.

"It seems as though he wanted to attack young, female victims," Miller said.

After a half hour inside, Roberts began shooting. When the gunfire stopped, three females were found shot dead at the scene, along with the suspect, who shot himself, Miller said. At least seven more victims — some critically wounded — were transported to nearby hospitals, he said. One victim, a young girl, died in the arms of a trooper, Miller said. He could not confirm how many people died en route or at the hospital. The county coroner earlier reported six children killed but then backed off of that statement.

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To: KosmicKitty

We are all born with original sin and freedom of will.


IMO There are people who are just naughty by nature.


451 posted on 10/02/2006 10:50:25 AM PDT by Global2010 (Tag line in Prayer.)
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To: Religion Moderator
There is nothing humorous here. Children have died.

I couldn't agree more. Thank you, RM.

452 posted on 10/02/2006 10:50:29 AM PDT by proud American in Canada (Thy Will Be Done.)
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To: PhiKapMom

Drug problem hits Amish youth as well.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3919/is_200210/ai_n9130493/pg_11


453 posted on 10/02/2006 10:50:47 AM PDT by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: Deo volente
On fox news there saying that it was one of the students.
and if it is video games or marilyn manson its the parents fault for letting there children play or listening to it.
454 posted on 10/02/2006 10:50:50 AM PDT by dufsnikk (Only in death is there life.)
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To: dirtboy
"They are also given a chance to live a material, modern life for a few years - and then they choose whether to become full members of their order."

Interesting.

I recall the old Movie "Friendly Persuasion" with Gary Cooper..and it sounds like they are still living that way today..It's sweet.

sw

455 posted on 10/02/2006 10:51:02 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1
I somehow DO NOT think that the Amish people do not have any problem 'Busting their kid's ass".
456 posted on 10/02/2006 10:51:22 AM PDT by US Navy guy
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To: IamConservative
As far as I have ever seen the Amish and other Plain Church people own their land as individuals. Still, it is customary among Mennonite and Anabaptist groups to do a certain amount of communal labor.

In the old days that was the "tax system" in most of rural America.

As things have changed, the Amish, and others, have had to change.

There are monastic orders (Catholic and Orthodox and Buddhist) as well as communal groups like the Shakers, where landownership is in common.

Not sure "land in production" is let off the tax hook though. That's usually termed "unrelated business income" or UBIT in the tax laws.

457 posted on 10/02/2006 10:51:36 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: spectre

They were Quakers in that movie


458 posted on 10/02/2006 10:51:49 AM PDT by mystery-ak (My Son, My Soldier, My Hero........God Speed Jonathan......)
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To: dufsnikk

Really? I've been listening to FOX...I didn't hear that. Has that been confirmed?


459 posted on 10/02/2006 10:52:04 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: sageb1

Sorry, I didn't mean to send that via private mail.

MSNBC. She's been there for at least five years.


460 posted on 10/02/2006 10:52:06 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: dirtboy

Thanks you answered a few ???? I have been pondering.

Esp. who the heck do you marry and procreate with in a closed community with out ending up with cleft palates and such.


461 posted on 10/02/2006 10:52:25 AM PDT by Global2010 (Tag line in Prayer.)
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To: LilyBean

Yeah, exemplary morals, values and behavior have been driving less than honorable folks over the edge to violence at least as long ago as Calvary and Soddom and Gomorrah.

I just hate to see it hit the precious Amish folks.


462 posted on 10/02/2006 10:52:39 AM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: theeyeshaveit
Amish/Pagan motorcycle gang drug rings

A string of words I really never expected to hear. Sounds like an album title.

463 posted on 10/02/2006 10:52:42 AM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: Horatio Gates; dufsnikk
Care to explain the tagline?

Scripture

464 posted on 10/02/2006 10:52:50 AM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
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To: Kimmers
"I had to switch from FOX because they had some psychologist on talking about how violent young men are."

Unfortunately, the psychologist is right. Without a strong, traditional family structure, young men (and young women) have become increasingly violent. That is a simple fact and has been backed up statistically.

465 posted on 10/02/2006 10:52:51 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Strategerist
So why wasn't the bombing of a school in Michigan that killed 45 people in 1927 (by a local nutcase upset with high school taxes) the "commencement of the beginning of the start of the warm-up coming down the pike?"

Actually, it was. So were the Birmingham church bombings. The Spanish inquisition. The 6-day war. The hundred-day-war. The holocaust. These events were set in motion the moment Adam ate of the fruit. Since then, we've been killing, robbing, lying to and cheating each other. We just can't help ourselves
The Father gave us a lifeline by sending His son, the Christ. But to this day most just ignore Him, or follow Him in name only. So, expect these sort of things to happen until time runs out.

466 posted on 10/02/2006 10:53:14 AM PDT by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: Labyrinthos

it works in other areas, but most people here are so afraid of guns that they think that they have more to fear from their fellow employees than a homicidal maniac.

mind conditioning - their only hope lies in not thinking that it can happen to them.


467 posted on 10/02/2006 10:53:43 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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To: muawiyah

Yep, I've never been aware of the Amish not owning their own land...there's much that is communal like the schools and the church itself, but a family runs its own farm and splits it up among the sons when the father passes (of course, when you have 5 sons, eventually everbody has a postage stamp and that's when 4 of the sons take off to Indiana.)

And income is income - the IRS isn't going to stop taxing farm income just because the farm is owned by a church - they're going to track that down.


468 posted on 10/02/2006 10:53:48 AM PDT by Strategerist (Those who know what's best for us must rise and save us from ourselves)
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To: DCBryan1

Copycat killing.

There may be more.

The nutjob in Colorado started this.

As soon as one of these insane killings starts, nutjobs everywhere start trying to copy them.

At least the bastard was shot dead.


469 posted on 10/02/2006 10:54:34 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Labyrinthos
But when someone shoots back, your aim is effected as is your concentration and ability to kill at will. Such a scenario and strategy is an excellent one because it will seriously reduce the amount of time such a killer has and therefore the number of children and people he/she can injure or kill.
470 posted on 10/02/2006 10:55:06 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Religion Moderator

Thanks for stepping in, RM.


471 posted on 10/02/2006 10:55:19 AM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage. Try it!)
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To: mystery-ak

Oops.."Quakers"? Amish? What do I know anyway..(Thanks)..sw


472 posted on 10/02/2006 10:55:22 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: dufsnikk

LOL

That just leaves the 7 deadly sins.


473 posted on 10/02/2006 10:55:41 AM PDT by Global2010 (Tag line in Prayer.)
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To: dufsnikk
On fox news there saying that it was one of the students.

I haven't heard that.

You signed up today. Your tag line is very creepy.

VERY suspicious.
474 posted on 10/02/2006 10:56:10 AM PDT by Deo volente
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To: DCBryan1

Google Earth: 40.00.41.81 N, 76.07.30.51 W


475 posted on 10/02/2006 10:56:24 AM PDT by DigitalVideoDude (It's amazing what you can accomplish when you don't care who gets the credit. -Ronald Reagan)
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To: muawiyah; Iowa Granny

Thank you both, for clearing that up!


476 posted on 10/02/2006 10:56:28 AM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage. Try it!)
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To: TET1968
"I guess it sounds better than Paradise." Sounds better then "Blue Ball" as well.

Well, what could be better than Intercourse, PA?

477 posted on 10/02/2006 10:56:28 AM PDT by sportutegrl (This thread is useless without pix.)
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To: ZULU

Four patients. One deceased. Two head shots. Three remaining patients in "very critical" condition.


478 posted on 10/02/2006 10:56:29 AM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
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To: US Navy guy

"I somehow DO NOT think that the Amish people do not have any problem 'Busting their kid's ass"."

Good point.
When I posted I was sure that the kid/shooter was not Amish. Now I have no idea, because I am reading all kinds of crap.
This is so sad.


479 posted on 10/02/2006 10:56:41 AM PDT by GottaLuvAkitas1 (Ronald Reagan is the TRUE "Father Of Our Country".)
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To: DCPatriot; spectre
...it's only human to jump to 'terrorism'....we live with that thought every day...

However, almost 20 years ago, in my own town....a main area of our town with large supermarkets, drugstores, small eateries, shops on both sides of the road---many shoppers at all times.

..a bitter old man simply went berserk....and shot up a whole neighborhood, trapping people inside the supermarkets.....shooting/killing in front of supermarkets, drugstores on both sides of the main street...

..killing the first 2 policemen who responded...holding hostages....for hours.....many folks stranded in their cars in the parking lot.

My children & I missed the carnage by a heartbeat....I picked them up from school and we were going to the grocery store and at the last minute, drove by and didn't stop....**I can remember it so clearly!!..at the very last second, I decided not to stop!!**My husband, who worked just down the street at a large company, also started to turn in at the shopping center, but for some reason, changed his mind, and went in the opposite direction to a distant store.

..the killings happened only a few minutes later.

A pregnant woman was shot in the stomach and lost the baby....I forgot how many were killed....When my husband & I related our near misses, we were shaking....all we could do was hold each other and pray!

.. it was totally senseless.

Evil is evil.

It just seems like we have more of it lately.

480 posted on 10/02/2006 10:56:47 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: fatima
Are you kidding?

Obviously the administrator didn't think so, cause my post was removed. :-)

What I was trying to say is: if the press didn't cover these incidents like a lookie loo carnival, there would probably be less incidents...and speculation as to why they occur. They seem to occur in bunches, but then what do I know?

I hope you read this, before it gets pulled. :-O

481 posted on 10/02/2006 10:57:04 AM PDT by demnomo
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To: PhiKapMom
The Dunkards (I know this group well having had 2 grandparents, 1 each side, who grew up as members) are considered an "historic peace church", except all the Dunkards I know joined the Army and served in America's wars.

Their people (for the most part) had originally came from Uniontown Pennsylvania, and those folks there originally came from Lancaster and York counties in Pennsylvania, mostly Paradise township.

Uniontown was a non-Amish area settled predominantly by First Borners, Dunkards and other Plain Church people.

I know that when I read the names of the children who were murdered that I will recognize surnames. Trying to keep that part repressed at the moment.

482 posted on 10/02/2006 10:57:15 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: La Enchiladita; seekthetruth

One can also note that psychological "disorders" can be culturally defined. What is normal in one culture might be "crazy" in another.


483 posted on 10/02/2006 10:57:30 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: SE Mom
Really? I've been listening to FOX...I didn't hear that. Has that been confirmed?

I have been watching Fox & nothing was said about it being a student or amish resident.

484 posted on 10/02/2006 10:57:34 AM PDT by blondee123 (Politicians are like diapers, need to be changed often & for the same reason!)
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Shooter is rumored to be a 70 year old taxi driver went into the school, ordered the males to leave, lined up the girls and shot them. Was angry with some of the Amish mothers. Claim is on CNN from a caller supposedly a resident in the community. FWIW.


485 posted on 10/02/2006 10:57:52 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: theeyeshaveit
Yes, they do drink and party as teenagers. There are drug problems in the community, and there have been busts in Lancaster county for Amish/Pagan motorcycle gang drug rings.

A lot of people don't realize it, but the Pagans are thick in SW Lancaster County.

Pa dutch food is exceptional and will cause high degrees of weight gain in a short amount of time.

It's designed for men who do twelve hours or more of demaning physical labor a day. The Amish now grow tobacco, and they put in every plant by hand - acres of it.

486 posted on 10/02/2006 10:57:57 AM PDT by dirtboy (Good fences make good neighbors)
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To: dufsnikk

Reports coming in.

Ole Roy was a hired taxi driver for the Amish and he got into a squabble with the Moms so he settled it by sending the boys out and lining up the girls shooting all the lil girls.
Per a witness on the phone with CNN
Creep!


487 posted on 10/02/2006 10:58:09 AM PDT by Global2010 (Tag line in Prayer.)
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To: sageb1
"Since Mom and Dad work at home, they are always around w/ their kids." An admirable example for the rest of America.

Exactly. while there's always going to be problems between parents and kids, from everything I've seen/read about the Amish, they seem to have a wonderful family situation. And I believe there's a lot of support in the extended family/community as a whole.

I've tried to read everything I can about the Amish. Honestly, I admire them and am a bit envious. I love to cook & quilt & garden. Seriously, I really wish sometimes that I could live a lifestyle like the Amish.

488 posted on 10/02/2006 10:58:34 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

OMG


489 posted on 10/02/2006 10:58:35 AM PDT by Mo1 (Hey McCain and Graham .... our soldiers signed up to dodge bullets not lawsuits)
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To: All

CNN - 70 year old man (Roy)who got into an argument with one of the school children's mother is the perp - trying to confirm


490 posted on 10/02/2006 10:58:45 AM PDT by LadyBuzz
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To: blondee123
CNN is reporting unconfirmed reports that it was a 70-year-old taxi driver who had a falling out with one or more of the mothers of the kids. The guy lined up all the little girls and shot them all.

Unconfirmed, however.

491 posted on 10/02/2006 10:58:50 AM PDT by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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To: butternut_squash_bisque
I know of three Paradise Townships in PA (don't know if you've received a definitive answer yet). One is in York County, PA on US Rte 30 - a little ways West of York.

A second is in Lancaster County, PA, also on US Rte 30 - this one is east of Lancaster, PA.

A third is in the Poconos, near Mt. Pocono, off of Interstates 80/380.
492 posted on 10/02/2006 10:58:59 AM PDT by CT-Freeper (Said the perpetually dejected Mets fan.)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

Dear God!


493 posted on 10/02/2006 10:59:22 AM PDT by mystery-ak (My Son, My Soldier, My Hero........God Speed Jonathan......)
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To: dufsnikk

Pretty stupid comment since you have no idea who the shooter is.


494 posted on 10/02/2006 10:59:26 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Strategerist

"Bow-ie" instead of "Boo-ie"

bow-ie: bisexual singer. boo-ie: american knife inventor.



495 posted on 10/02/2006 10:59:39 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: demnomo
I see it.I must of misunderstood you.I thought you said they were being hypnotized or something.I have been reading everything fast.
496 posted on 10/02/2006 10:59:44 AM PDT by fatima
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To: dufsnikk; Deo volente
Drop the tagline for today.

It is Scriptural, but a lot of posters here are not aware of the context and it only causes pain.

497 posted on 10/02/2006 10:59:46 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Physicist

You are just wrong. Everyone who has dealings with the Amish respect them immensely. I don't believe the Jews consider themselves any more insular than, say, the Presbyterians, either.


498 posted on 10/02/2006 10:59:48 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Religion Moderator

Thank you.

I feel like this forum is turning upside down, sometimes.


499 posted on 10/02/2006 10:59:53 AM PDT by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: Warren_Piece
May 18, 1927 - Bath, Michigan

On a warm Spring morning in May of 1927 the Treasurer of the Bath, Michigan Consolidated School District blew up half of the school building (intending to have destroyed all of it). Within the hour he had committed suicide (and more murders) in the middle of the village by detonating explosives in his vehicle. In all, 45 people would be dead & many more would be injured in the worst instance of school violence in U.S. history.

This sort of thing has been going on for a long time.

500 posted on 10/02/2006 11:00:06 AM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up at least TWO seats in the Senate and FOUR seats in the House in 2006)
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