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One in Four Smokers Will Get Lung Disease
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Posted on 10/17/2006 1:09:34 PM PDT by trumandogz

TUESDAY, Oct. 17 (HealthDay News) -- A new study finds that at least 1 in every 4 smokers will develop progressive and incurable chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), a much higher risk than previously believed.

COPD is a respiratory disease that results in blocked air flow to the lungs and grows progressively worse.

For this study, published online in the journal Thorax, researchers at Hvidovre Hospital analyzed data on 8,000 men and women, ages 30 to 60. All were monitored for 25 years as part of the Copenhagen City Heart Study.

At the start of the study, all the participants' lungs were healthy and working normally. However, over the course of the 25 years, the lungs of almost all the male non-smokers continued to function normally, compared to 60 percent of men who continued to smoke.

Among women, 90 percent of non-smokers still had healthy lungs at the end of 25 years, compared to 70 percent of smokers.

Overall, 25 percent of the participants developed moderate or severe COPD over the 25 years. Persistent smokers were six times more likely to develop COPD than non-smokers.

During the 25 years, there were 2,900 deaths in the study group. Of those deaths, 109 were directly attributable to COPD, and nearly all those deaths were in people who were active smokers at the start of the study. Only two non-smokers died of COPD.

The study also found a sharp decline in the risk of COPD among people who stopped smoking soon after the start of the study. Over the 25 years, none of these ex-smokers developed severe COPD.


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To: maineman
I wonder how people will answer this question: if you knew that the NEXT cigarette you smoked was the one that will give you cancer, would you smoke it?

The nonsense argument for smokers is that only x% of people get cancer and none of them think it will be them, but it has to be someone...so...would you smoke it if you knew?

101 posted on 10/17/2006 2:49:51 PM PDT by Paco
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To: NCLaw441

He means that the total risk goes up. The risk per street crossing is the same each time. (Except for rush hour.)

For smoking, the total risk goes up each fag consumed.


102 posted on 10/17/2006 2:52:51 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Baynative
"anyone born after 1960 should not be eligible for any medical subsistance related to nicotine if they CHOOSE to kill themselves after all the publicity smoking has gotten over the years."

I'm fine with that.......so long as the federal and state governments refund every dime in tobacco taxes paid by smokers since 1960.

103 posted on 10/17/2006 2:54:39 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: trumandogz

I smoked for 15 years and have been on this site for 3 years. I have NEVER spoken to any smoker who claimed smoking was good for a person or seen any serious posts on this forum claiming that smoking was good for a person.

I don't smoke any longer but I am still amazed at the sheer hatred displayed by many non-smokers toward smokers. Like liberals, many believe lies are OK since the end should justify the means. Lies like somkers claiming that smoking is beneficial to one's health.


104 posted on 10/17/2006 2:59:14 PM PDT by L98Fiero (Evil is an exact science)
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To: trumandogz
Image hosted by Photobucket.com if smoking is so bad... how come it isn't 3/4 or 4/5 or 9/10 for that matter that get it???
105 posted on 10/17/2006 2:59:41 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: Baynative

"anyone born after 1960 should not be eligible for any medical subsistance related to nicotine if they CHOOSE to kill themselves after all the publicity smoking has gotten over the years."

What about those before ? My father died of COPD and Emphysema as I will also however he died years ago. As an Air Force Pilot the USAF gave my father flight rations, Meat, bread, vegetable, dessert, chiclets and 4 cigarettes. Yet after he retired the took away his benefits for lung problems because he smoked the cigarettes they gave him.


106 posted on 10/17/2006 3:00:54 PM PDT by Dov in Houston
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To: Toby06

"Screw it, I like living life, and if I go a little early, tough crap, I'm having fun. I don't plan on having anythin left at the end, I want to use up every single bit of life in me."

I still say I'd rather die at 70 doing what I want than live 'till 90 doing what I hate. Time becomes God to some people.


107 posted on 10/17/2006 3:04:10 PM PDT by L98Fiero (Evil is an exact science)
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To: L98Fiero
My post was in jest. However, i have seen posts where people cite that smoking helps prevent certain diseases.

BTW-I am not an anti smoking nazi. While disease is a risk associated with smoking I think the bigger problem with smoking is the dependency it causes. I posted the story because it had a great headline, and it would encourage much discussion.
108 posted on 10/17/2006 3:05:21 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: Chode

I did not write the story but would not be surprised if someone published a study stating that cigarettes kill 8/5 of smokers.


109 posted on 10/17/2006 3:07:44 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: L98Fiero; elkfersupper

hey elk, tell him how your baby sister was cured from her asthma. It's an amazing story, truly amazing.


110 posted on 10/17/2006 3:10:56 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: svcw
Three out of four smokers will not get COPD.

That doesn't mean the other 75 won't get other lung diseases - like lung cancer. No males in my family seem to live over the age of 65 - they all seem to die of lung cancer. I'm just praying that my mother and father quit smoking in time to avoid all of that.

This isn't junk science. People who smoke should have all the facts at hand, and people who don't smoke should also know what they might be getting if they start.

111 posted on 10/17/2006 3:14:14 PM PDT by Texas_shutterbug
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To: metesky
Not one of the people on the Puff List has ever claimed that smoking was the healthiest thing to do, but you two fucking assholes keep repeating that shit until you believe it.

You could put a bullet into the chamber of a revolver, spin the chamber, cock the hammer and pull the trigger, and you'd still be making a healthier choice than you sorry bunch of consumptive addicts. Not the healthiest thing to do? That's an understatement of the likes even Baghdad Bob would be ashamed of.

112 posted on 10/17/2006 3:14:26 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Alter Kaker; metesky

Sorry, left out the part where you aim the barrel at your temple.


113 posted on 10/17/2006 3:15:12 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: trumandogz
As a self described dumb a$$ for smoking many years before quiting 6+ years ago.....a web site that helped me with quiting ..i.e...knowledge is power..www.whyquit.com Prior to that I was quite good at making assine statements defending my addiction...so you smokers don't get on my case...I were one of you...
114 posted on 10/17/2006 3:17:51 PM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..POW input)
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To: RVN Airplane Driver

Congratulations.

The hardest drug to quit is nicotine. I quit too late


115 posted on 10/17/2006 3:22:15 PM PDT by Dov in Houston
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To: Alter Kaker
You could put a bullet into the chamber of a revolver, spin the chamber, cock the hammer and pull the trigger, and you'd still be making a healthier choice than you sorry bunch of consumptive addicts. Not the healthiest thing to do? That's an understatement of the likes even Baghdad Bob would be ashamed of.

Yes, but people should have the right to play Russian Roulette, have unprotected gay sex or smoke cigarettes.

Some, I am sure do all three and live to be 98.

116 posted on 10/17/2006 3:22:35 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: Toby06

Smoke up all you smokers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


117 posted on 10/17/2006 3:23:56 PM PDT by FightThePower! (Fight the powers that be!)
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To: trumandogz; metesky
Yes, but people should have the right to play Russian Roulette, have unprotected gay sex or smoke cigarettes. Some, I am sure do all three and live to be 98.

And that's exactly what smokers and gay men who have anonymous unprotected sex have in common -- because they know a sister's hairdresser's friend's uncle who somehow lived to 98 doing exactly what they're doing, they convince themselves that they too will be an exception. Except they almost never are.

118 posted on 10/17/2006 3:28:55 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: trumandogz

This doesn't take a genius to figure out........


119 posted on 10/17/2006 3:39:48 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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To: Alter Kaker
News to some maybe...........

Not most professionals....

120 posted on 10/17/2006 3:40:57 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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To: Rakkasan1
Got data?
121 posted on 10/17/2006 3:42:07 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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To: Toby06
LOL!!!

You rock!!

122 posted on 10/17/2006 3:43:05 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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To: Toby06
Recent studies have confirmed the existence of a dangerous strain of disease that has a 100% mortality rate.

Research is currently being conducted into the disease, currently known as "Life" and methods to eradicate it.
123 posted on 10/17/2006 3:47:08 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: Just another Joe; Madame Dufarge; Cantiloper; metesky; Judith Anne; lockjaw02; Mears; CSM; ...
So 25% get COPD and out of that 25% how many die from it?

Reread the article.

124 posted on 10/17/2006 3:48:04 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: Baynative
I say ; "anyone born after 1960 should not be eligible for any medical subsistance related to nicotine if they CHOOSE to kill themselves after all the publicity smoking has gotten over the years."

Great idea, along with "anyone born after 1960 should not be eligible for any medical subsistance (sic) related to eating if they are fat if they CHOOSE to kill themselves after all the publicity about overeating has gotten over the years."

And, "anyone born after 1960 should not be eligible for any medical subsistance (sic) related to heart conditions or diabetes if they CHOOSE to kill themselves after all the publicity on lack of exercise, being overweight and eating properly has gotten over the years."

This list could go on and on. Give people in all health categories a break--we are all going to die, it is a matter of picking your poison.

Not to worry, designer babies are on the horizon and diseases will be selected out. A real conservative mind-set.

125 posted on 10/17/2006 3:50:43 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: Trampled by Lambs
Sorry to hear of your MIL......

I would suggest to you that there are many forms of COPD....and that your MIL more than likely had an infection/pneumonia...that caused excess secretions..and/or she had an inability to clear her own secretions.

Unfortunately I have treated many end-stage COPD'ers...and it can actually be a fairly "easy" way to go. The pt. often enough just can not ventilate effectively and their CO2 level climbs until they are basically unaware of what is happening....They just "go to sleep".

So, in my experience...it's not exactly as you have described.

FWIW-

126 posted on 10/17/2006 3:53:43 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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To: Alter Kaker

Got data?


127 posted on 10/17/2006 3:54:43 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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To: Toby06
Just had a 5 Vegas Gold......

Smooth!!

You should try one....!!

128 posted on 10/17/2006 3:57:09 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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To: Alter Kaker
You could put a bullet into the chamber of a revolver, spin the chamber, cock the hammer and pull the trigger, and you'd still be making a healthier choice than you sorry bunch of consumptive addicts. Not the healthiest thing to do? That's an understatement of the likes even Baghdad Bob would be ashamed of.

You win!!

About the most moronic post I've read in months............

129 posted on 10/17/2006 4:00:12 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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To: Osage Orange
Unfortunately I have treated many end-stage COPD'ers...and it can actually be a fairly "easy" way to go. The pt. often enough just can not ventilate effectively and their CO2 level climbs until they are basically unaware of what is happening....They just "go to sleep".

I can only hope this was the case for my father. He told my mother it was ok to go home. She had been at the house maybe 10 minutes after a 5 minute drive there, when the hospital called. I think he knew.

130 posted on 10/17/2006 4:01:01 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( I am sitting under my cone of silence, inside a copper wire cage wearing a tin foil hat...)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Sorry to hear my friend.....

You would be surprised how often a loved one is told to go......and the pt. passes away after they have left.

Happens a lot.....

131 posted on 10/17/2006 4:03:47 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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To: Toby06

Yup.


132 posted on 10/17/2006 4:06:33 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: Old Professer
If you crossed the street 20-60 times a day for 25 years your risk of dying from being hit by a car would go way up.

Nah, the Nanny's would moan and groan about the choices these unworthy people made to cross the street so many times claiming they are not worthy of care because of their choice. Then they would lobby to get laws past telling you where to cross the street and how many times.

I thought FR was a conservative web-site.

133 posted on 10/17/2006 4:12:12 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: trumandogz
Image hosted by Photobucket.com i know, my post was to the author...

i don't say smoking is good for you, i just don't think it's as bas as they say it is.

p.s. i smoked Lucky's for over ten years before i quit.

134 posted on 10/17/2006 4:16:12 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: Baynative
I say ; "anyone born after 1960 should not be eligible for any medical subsistance related to nicotine if they CHOOSE to kill themselves after all the publicity smoking has gotten over the years."

I say: Anyone with that type attitude needs to refund all the excess taxes smokers have paid....and until they do they need to kep their mouths SHUT.

Oh, and BTW - if nicotine is your problem, I suggest you stay aways from tomatoes and peppers and eggplant and the rest of the fruits and veggies that are members of the nightshade family.

135 posted on 10/17/2006 4:55:23 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: wagglebee; SheLion

"Which means that 75% NEVER HAVE A PROBLEM, so why not report it that way?!"




Good for you. Your interpretation (and mine) will never see the light of day,

The public brainwashing by the anti-smokers continues.


137 posted on 10/17/2006 5:40:39 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Paco
With that logic, just strap a bomb to your back and get it over with. Better yet, grab some leaves, roll them up in some paper, start it on fire and breathe it. Smoking is SOOOO COOOL!!! (Sarcasm off...)

I enjoy partaking in natures gifts of tobacco & beer, not bombs you stupid fool! Also, i don't do stuff like smoking to be cool. You must, though, to try to make up for some shortcoming, based on your weak logic.

138 posted on 10/17/2006 5:43:07 PM PDT by Toby06
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To: Toby06

I totally agree with you, and generally I do - but there are just times when I get totally fed up with the bovine excrement they continuously put out, that the DBM sucks up and regurgitates and the sheeple accept as gospel.


139 posted on 10/17/2006 5:52:56 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: Osage Orange
Got data?

What kind of data? Conclusively linking lung cancer to smoking? You tell me what you want, I'll get it for you.

140 posted on 10/17/2006 5:52:58 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Alter Kaker
Just wait for the addicts on FR to attack you, however.

You're a nasty piece of work - I hope you're proud opf yourself.

141 posted on 10/17/2006 5:55:49 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: Gabz
You're a nasty piece of work - I hope you're proud opf yourself.

You're God-damn right I am. So... how's your cancer-pushing going?

142 posted on 10/17/2006 6:00:09 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: SheLion
Here's the lines I noticed:

During the 25 years, there were 2,900 deaths in the study group. Of those deaths, 109 were directly attributable to COPD, and nearly all those deaths were in people who were active smokers at the start of the study. Only two non-smokers died of COPD.

So, out of 8000 people, 107 smokers and 2 non-smokers died DIRECTLY of COPD, over a period of 25 years.

That's one in every 800 that died directly of COPD. Not bad. One-eighth of one percent. I wonder if that's even statistically significant?

143 posted on 10/17/2006 6:00:34 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Chode
i don't say smoking is good for you, i just don't think it's as bas as they say it is.

You're right. Smoking is worse than they say it is. Until you've seen someone you love flop-around as they die from terminal lung cancer with their spine attached to a mechanical morphine drip, you've never seen pain. Bizarrely, they don't show that in Marlboro ads or even anti-smoking public serice announcements.

144 posted on 10/17/2006 6:03:02 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: brwnsuga
I just examined a smoker's lung in Anatomy this week. Very yucky, full of dark plaques, very hard to the touch compared to a healthy lung.

Considering how often pigs lungs that are injected with tar and other things are used, and stated they are human lungs, I seriously doubt what you examined was a smoker's lung.

Smoking is not good for anyone.

I've never met a person who says it is. Have you?

145 posted on 10/17/2006 6:04:45 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: Judith Anne; SheLion
That's one in every 800 that died directly of COPD. Not bad. One-eighth of one percent. I wonder if that's even statistically significant?

Buy yourself a calculator. That's not 1/800, that's 1/80 who died, in the period of the study, from COPD. That doesn't include many others who died of breast, lung, throat, testicular and mouth cancers, emphysema, heart disease, stroke or other smoking-related ailments. Nor does it factor in the fact that a quarter of the subjects developed COPD -- resulting in debilitation and a huge decrease in quality of life, but not death.

146 posted on 10/17/2006 6:07:16 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: SheLion
Here's another one:

Among women, 90 percent of non-smokers still had healthy lungs at the end of 25 years, compared to 70 percent of smokers.

Okay, so that means 30 percent of smokers didn't have healthy lungs, and 10 percent of non-smokers didn't have healthy lungs, at the end of 25 years. I'd like to see a breakdown of causes. How many had TB? Did they select out for other causes of lung disease? Is anyone even aware that there are other causes of lung disease than smoking? How many of them had asthma? How many had lung damage from pneumonia? I'd just like to know, before drawing any conclusions.

In the interests of full disclosure, I smoke between 5 and 15 cigarettes a day.

If there were not such extreme hatred for smelling even a molecule of smoke among the anti-smokers, there might be a possibility of a dialogue. Like how nicotine patches help some Alzheimer's patients, like how smokers are less likely to develop Parkinson's. Why can't we talk about this? Because the antis are so rabid. When someone attacks me, I become defensive. When they attack me for a LEGAL habit that I enjoy, I get angry as well. When they start with the name-calling, I quit listening.

147 posted on 10/17/2006 6:08:11 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Toby06
Copenhagen City Heart Study.

Copenhagen? The country of legalized drugs? Non-filter marijuana joints? What the hell do they care about the effects of smoking??????

148 posted on 10/17/2006 6:08:16 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Cure for liberal stupidity: Louisville Slugger, apply directly to the forehead!)
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To: Baynative
recharging and all at taxpayer's expense.

...Uh, not exactly. What was the multi-billion dollar tobacco settlement all about? What has been the purpose of all the exhorbitant taxes being placed on cigarettes by all the states?

To answer the above questions, to pay for our own misdeeds..........

Stop your whining, you ain't paying for it, us smokers are. At least thats what your nanny government is telling us.........

149 posted on 10/17/2006 6:13:34 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Cure for liberal stupidity: Louisville Slugger, apply directly to the forehead!)
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To: Alter Kaker

Oh wahhh.

How do they blame lung cancer on somebody who quit smoking 25 years before they got it?


150 posted on 10/17/2006 6:14:06 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (In God we trust. All others we monitor.)
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