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Mary Cheney's pregnancy affects us all
Townhall ^ | 12/07/2006 | Janice Shaw Crouse

Posted on 12/07/2006 7:16:54 AM PST by Responsibility2nd

Mary Cheney’s pregnancy poses problems not just for her child, but also for all Americans. Her action repudiates traditional values and sets an appalling example for young people at a time when father absence is the most pressing social problem facing the nation. With 37 percent of American children born to fatherless families, Mary Cheney is contributing to a trend that is detrimental to all Americans who will live with the ramifications of millions of children whose anger and frustration at not knowing their father will be felt in the public schools and communities of our nation.

Mary Cheney is among that burgeoning group of adult women over age 20 that are driving the trend of women who don’t want a man in the picture, but want to have a baby. These older women are pushing out-of-wedlock birth statistics higher and higher. At a time when teen births and teen abortions are declining dramatically, older women are having more un-wed births and more abortions, including repeat abortions (indicating that they are using abortion as birth control).

Well-educated, professional Mary Cheney is flying in the face of the accumulated wisdom of the top experts who agree that the very best family structure for a child’s well-being is a married mom and dad family. Her child will have all the material advantages it will need, but it will still encounter the emotional devastation common to children without fathers.

One Georgia high school principal reported, “We have too many young men and women from single-mother families that don’t have the role models at home to teach them how to deal with adversity and handle responsibility. They’ve seen their mom work 60 hours a week just to put food on the table; they end up fending for themselves.”

When fatherless children get to be teens, the girls tend to start looking for love in all the wrong places and the boys tend to find as their role model the bad-boy celebrities of MTV, NFL and NBA.

As they grow older, fatherless children tend to have trouble dealing with male authority figures. Too often children in single-mother households end up angry at their absent fathers and resentful of the mother who has had to be a father figure, too. Typically, the boys who have a love-hate relationship with their mother end up hating all women. Numerous of them look for vulnerable women where they can act out their anger and be in control.

Mary Cheney’s action sets an example that is detrimental for mothers with less financial resources who will start down an irrevocable path into poverty that tends to be generational –– children in households without a father tend to themselves have unwed births later in life. Experts from both the left and the right cite a disastrous litany of negative outcomes that are predictable when a child grows up in a fatherless family. Such children tend to get involved in drugs, alcohol abuse, and delinquency; they tend to drop out of school and have teen pregnancies. An assistant principal in a Junior High School said that many of the behavioral problems that teachers face in the classroom stem from households without a father’s influence.

Mary’s pregnancy is an “in-your-face” action countering the Bush Administration’s pro-family, pro-marriage and pro-life policies. She continues to repudiate the work to which her father has devoted his life. Mary has repeatedly said that “studies” show that children only need a loving home. Her statement is incomplete because the experts agree that for the well-being of children, they desperately need a married father and a mother.

All those people who talk about doing what is best “for our children” need to get back to the basics: children need a married mom and dad. Children can do without a lot of the trimmings of childhood, but nothing can replace a home where the mother and dad love each other enough to commit for a lifetime and are absolutely crazy about their kids –– enough to be willing to sacrifice their own needs to see that their children get the very best.


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To: zbigreddogz
Have I given you a book yet?

Well, here ya go....


251 posted on 12/07/2006 11:00:50 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning)
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To: ChurtleDawg

"old, victorian morality laws"

Laws such as contributing to the delinquency of a minor, public indency and public sex, sodomy, etc.

All those things should be legal, then, according to you. You must like Gay Pride parades, then, since that's all those things and more rolled into one event.


252 posted on 12/07/2006 11:01:10 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Responsibility2nd
She continues to repudiate the work to which her father has devoted his life.

I don't think this is accurate. VP Cheney has dedicated his life to the notion of less government regulation in the personal lives of every day Americans and less taxes. I agree with VP Cheney's views of government. I don't think that Mary Cheney has made a wise decision, but it's none of my business. Her choices are between her and God.

253 posted on 12/07/2006 11:01:27 AM PST by petitfour
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To: drjimmy

Indeed. First thing I noticed. He basically proved himself wrong and somehow was completely oblivious to that fact.


254 posted on 12/07/2006 11:01:29 AM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: Responsibility2nd

This is not fair Responsibility2nd is just trying to get the reply count up on his counter...lol.
PLUS, I have not gotten the book!!!!! lol.


255 posted on 12/07/2006 11:02:59 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Antoninus
Sincere question: Who raised you during the day?

My mom, my dad, my grandmother, and the school system. We also had neighbors with kids where we would hang out. pretty much everyone in my neighborhood had two working parents.

In general, do you think that having both parents work is good for children?

I think it's pretty much a wash. Everything being equal, maybe not. But everything isn't equal. There are circumstances where having both parents work will be more beneficial to the child, and circumstances where it won't. I will say that I don't think that it is inherently detrimental to a child for both parents to work. Which is probably where we would agree to disagree.

You misread what I said. It was specific to the Cheney case

I was just going by your post. Are you saying that in general, you do believe that career parents aren't "true" parents but just in the Cheney case, you disagree?

And sorry, I do believe that mothers who put their career before their children (except in cases of true need), while they may be "true" parents, have their priorities severely screwed up.

I agree with this. But I also do not believe that the majority of career people put their career before their children. It's possible to have a career while still prioritizing your children. At least I believe this.
256 posted on 12/07/2006 11:03:00 AM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: Responsibility2nd

Yes, you have already made your meaningless jester in an attempt to substitute substance with a jpeg, essentially admitting to your own inability to form a coherent arguement.


257 posted on 12/07/2006 11:03:08 AM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: little jeremiah; ChurtleDawg
nice how you mention Jefferson in this context, who fathered illegitimate children with at least one of his slaves

If it is true, so what? It is irrelavent to the subject at hand.

churtldawg's transparent argument is that if a human being has a flaw, then the floodgates should be opened to every sort of vice.

258 posted on 12/07/2006 11:03:21 AM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: drjimmy
Ain't scared of a bloody nose.

Good....because you are going to get one before this thread ends.

259 posted on 12/07/2006 11:04:28 AM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: napscoordinator
PLUS, I have not gotten the book!!!!! lol.

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Here ya go.

260 posted on 12/07/2006 11:04:39 AM PST by Wormwood (Proud Goldwater Republican ( i.e. persona non grata)
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To: zbigreddogz

Oh, gee, why don't we just make sure that every child has one then!

We should outlaw fertility clinics that aren't approved of by our new moral government, who will make sure that the parents are 'fit'.

Heck, why stop there? We should just outlaw sex unless they get a government approved license. After all, if they are a bad couple and have a rotten kid, it'll affect me, so I have the right to make sure I'm not affected by their rotten kid. So sex license it is!





Some of us live in the real world. We have this thing called "moderation." We are not forced to either outlaw everything by gov't force or allow everything. There is middle ground. Try growing up.


261 posted on 12/07/2006 11:04:58 AM PST by SoothingDave (Are you on the list?)
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To: zbigreddogz

"If you didn't want him to have the land so badly, why didn't you pool your resources as a community and buy the land?"

No one knew he bought it until after the fact. Once the deal became known about, all kinds of people offered to buy it from him. But he was determined to open a strip joint - and one of his reasons was to give the low income girls around here a good job.

And come to think of it, the decisions made on the state level were JUDICIAL! Not eve state legislature.

The fact that the vast majority of citizens around here did not want the strip joint means nothing to you. So who's the Big Government here? I guess you like the suits in the state capital forcing decisions on us little people. We're just country folk who pay taxes. We're not suited up elites, we should just accept what our betters decide for us and shut up.


262 posted on 12/07/2006 11:05:48 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: SoothingDave
We are not forced to either outlaw everything by gov't force or allow everything. There is middle ground. Try growing up.

And your 'middle ground' response to Cheney's situation is?

263 posted on 12/07/2006 11:06:28 AM PST by Wormwood (Proud Goldwater Republican ( i.e. persona non grata)
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To: He Rides A White Horse; drjimmy

Have we actually reached the point where people are making threats of a virtual, electronic beating? LOL


264 posted on 12/07/2006 11:06:44 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: drjimmy

Explain, por favor.


265 posted on 12/07/2006 11:07:22 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: zbigreddogz
You're late to this thread, so let me fill you in. NO ONE, including me, is arguing for laws against stupid behavior like Mary and Heather having a baby.

But fatherless children are a burden on society. Homosexuals are a burden on society. Add these two together, and guess what?

It affects us all.

Please stop denying moral conservatives the right to oppose this.

266 posted on 12/07/2006 11:07:44 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning)
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To: linda_22003
Have we actually reached the point where people are making threats of a virtual, electronic beating? LOL

I'm nominating it.

267 posted on 12/07/2006 11:07:55 AM PST by Wormwood (Proud Goldwater Republican ( i.e. persona non grata)
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To: Wormwood

lol. I feel priviledge now. It is sorta like in high school when one day all your friends get detention and for some reason you decide you want to have detention to so you can hang out and be with your friends.


268 posted on 12/07/2006 11:08:34 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: little jeremiah
Invoke a Founding Father, reveal some human flaw, and the morally bankrupt social liberals think that such flaws are what should shape society. What a bunch of nonsense........as if the good these men did is not part of the equation.
269 posted on 12/07/2006 11:08:48 AM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: Wormwood

Brilliant - I was actually thinking of that particular SP episode!


270 posted on 12/07/2006 11:09:12 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: SoothingDave
Try growing up.

Excellent advice. Most grown-ups I know don't feel the need to get involved in private aspects of people's lives that they don't know.

271 posted on 12/07/2006 11:09:22 AM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: linda_22003
Have we actually reached the point where people are making threats of a virtual, electronic beating? LOL

I prefer the term, "virtual roadkill".

272 posted on 12/07/2006 11:10:01 AM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: petitfour
If it's none of your business, then why are you commenting on it. It is your business. Read the title of this article again:
Mary Cheney's pregnancy affects us all

And as you go, I have a parting gift for you:

Thanks for playing.

273 posted on 12/07/2006 11:11:02 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning)
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To: He Rides A White Horse

Well, ya sure are a virtual tough guy, Pilgrim. ;)


274 posted on 12/07/2006 11:11:08 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: zbigreddogz

lamenting unwed motherhood, homosexual adoption etc. as national trends, as being bad for society, in no way interfere with anyone's personal lives, and is a perfectly adult behavior in a free society. you would ban such discussion?


275 posted on 12/07/2006 11:11:55 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: napscoordinator
For you.... Two book!

Feel better now?

276 posted on 12/07/2006 11:12:00 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning)
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To: linda_22003
virtual roadkill on the information freeway is how I frame it.

Beep! Beep!

277 posted on 12/07/2006 11:12:25 AM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: Wormwood
And your 'middle ground' response to Cheney's situation is?

It's a shame.

278 posted on 12/07/2006 11:12:44 AM PST by SoothingDave (Are you on the list?)
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To: Responsibility2nd
NO ONE, including me, is arguing for laws against stupid behavior like Mary and Heather having a baby.

You mean except for the guy saying we should return to victorian morality laws?

Please stop denying moral conservatives the right to oppose this.

They can oppose it all they want, but publically attacking a woman for private behavior in such a way is wrong.

It's people that do things like this that allow the left to attack us for wanting inside people's bedrooms, wanting to impose our values, etc. which greatly hurts our ability to affect things that are truly a public concern, such as Abortion.

279 posted on 12/07/2006 11:12:58 AM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: SoothingDave

lamentable even : )


280 posted on 12/07/2006 11:13:23 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: zbigreddogz
Yes, you have already made your meaningless jester in an .....

That's why I'm known as the Court Jesture in some circles.

281 posted on 12/07/2006 11:13:55 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning)
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To: Antoninus
And sorry, I do believe that mothers who put their career before their children (except in cases of true need), while they may be "true" parents, have their priorities severely screwed up.

Do we have any evidence that Mary Cheney or her partner will put their careers over their children?
282 posted on 12/07/2006 11:14:05 AM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: linda_22003
Well, ya sure are a virtual tough guy, Pilgrim. ;)

....and you'll be wearing a burka in the real world with you attitude. Count on it.

283 posted on 12/07/2006 11:14:17 AM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: Stone Mountain
My mom, my dad, my grandmother, and the school system. We also had neighbors with kids where we would hang out. pretty much everyone in my neighborhood had two working parents.

You're very lucky that you had a good family/neighborhood support structure. The vast majority of kids in your situation have neither. Which is why so many of them end up beat up/molested/in gangs/on drugs/in the shrink's office/etc.

I was just going by your post. Are you saying that in general, you do believe that career parents aren't "true" parents but just in the Cheney case, you disagree?

I was specifically referring to the Cheney case. As I said in my previous post, I believe that parents who put their careers ahead of their children (except in the case of true need) are doing their kids a grave disservice and have their priorities screwed up.

I agree with this. But I also do not believe that the majority of career people put their career before their children. It's possible to have a career while still prioritizing your children. At least I believe this.

Do you have any kids yet? After I had my first, I made up my mind to do whatever it took to raise that baby the best way I could. My "career" is only a means to that end. If I had the financial wherewithall to quit my job tomorrow and still provide a roof, clothing and food for my kids, I would in a second. God and family are my #1 and #2 priorities, bar none.
284 posted on 12/07/2006 11:15:20 AM PST by Antoninus (Rudy as nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media love him?)
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To: He Rides A White Horse

Unlike you, I do not believe that a cataclysmic conflict between the West and Islam, should it occur, automatically goes to the Muslims.


285 posted on 12/07/2006 11:15:28 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: zbigreddogz
Most grown-ups I know don't feel the need to get involved in private aspects of people's lives that they don't know.

It's in the news. It ain't private.

And guess what? We are free to speak about what other people do.

286 posted on 12/07/2006 11:16:32 AM PST by SoothingDave (Are you on the list?)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Much better. lol. Read my post 268. I guess you have to have a little humor on a serious thread. I can't say that I don't disagree with you, but I mean it is sorta like telling a drunk driver after they are arrested that they should not have drank while driving. A little too late. But, I do also believe that the government is WAY into our lives already and some of the posts on various threads had people saying that legislation should be passed saying that invitro should not be allowed for anyone who is not married to a man or women. That if they do get a baby out of wedlock they should be fined 100,000 dollars...so of this is a bit much if you ask me. I want a SMALLER government not a larger one than we have now IMHO.


287 posted on 12/07/2006 11:16:35 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: He Rides A White Horse

It's been interesting, gotta go.

If nothing else, we're even clearer about where everyone stands.


288 posted on 12/07/2006 11:16:44 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: linda_22003
Unlike you, I do not believe that a cataclysmic conflict between the West and Islam, should it occur, automatically goes to the Muslims.

First, it will occur.

Secondly, victory won't be achieved through the 'patricians' such as yourself.

289 posted on 12/07/2006 11:17:49 AM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: zbigreddogz
It's people that do things like this that allow the left to attack us for wanting inside people's bedrooms, wanting to impose our values, etc. which greatly hurts our ability to affect things that are truly a public concern, such as Abortion.

LOL. You can't argue for the right to privacy and then turn around and pretend to be against abortion. LOL

290 posted on 12/07/2006 11:18:08 AM PST by SoothingDave (Are you on the list?)
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To: Stone Mountain
Do we have any evidence that Mary Cheney or her partner will put their careers over their children?

I would argue precedent on that one. I'd wager one of the reasons Mary "discovered" that she was a lesbian was a desperate cry for attention from her distant career parents. It wouldn't be the first time.
291 posted on 12/07/2006 11:18:24 AM PST by Antoninus (Rudy as nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media love him?)
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To: xsmommy

Some may say "lamentable."


292 posted on 12/07/2006 11:18:37 AM PST by SoothingDave (Are you on the list?)
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To: ChurtleDawg

It's OUR business. It's Society's business. It's our civilization's business.


293 posted on 12/07/2006 11:18:44 AM PST by hubbubhubbub
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To: linda_22003
Unlike you, I do not believe that a cataclysmic conflict between the West and Islam, should it occur, automatically goes to the Muslims.

Personally, when it happens, I'm just going to stand aside. Hopefully, when the hedonist secularists and the Islamic nutcases destroy each other, the rest of us can simply start rebuilding like we always have.
294 posted on 12/07/2006 11:20:23 AM PST by Antoninus (Rudy as nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media love him?)
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To: zbigreddogz
Private behavior????

"Mary Cheney" gets over 301,000 google hits with 514 news hits.

Mary wants to impose her values on me, so why should I be denied the right to voice my concern?

And you say abortion is truly a public concern? Well, you are right. But if I take your argument, then how does someone else's abortion affect me? I'm a man,and can't have an abortion. Feminists tell me that since this is so, I can't have an opinion on abortion. Do you agree?

295 posted on 12/07/2006 11:22:02 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning)
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To: SoothingDave

Yes, actually, I can.

Are you so incredibly dumb that you cannot see that privacy is good if it doesn't hurt anybody else, and bad if it does?

Truth be told, it isn't even privacy, it's just got a privacy beard.

Mary Cheney's kid: Alive.

Aborted kid: Dead.

HUGE difference. Murder is not a 'private' affair.

Are you capable of telling the difference?


296 posted on 12/07/2006 11:22:29 AM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: Antoninus
Hopefully, when the hedonist secularists and the Islamic nutcases destroy each other, the rest of us can simply start rebuilding like we always have.

There's an idea that may come to fruition.

The closest thing I've come to would have been letting Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia beat each other to death. Then rebuild. You may be on to something. Regards.

297 posted on 12/07/2006 11:24:18 AM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Some of the Freepers saying this isn't a big deal are being hypocritical. If it was John Edward's or John Kerry's daughter, the exact same people would be whining about it being a sign of the apocalypse.


298 posted on 12/07/2006 11:24:30 AM PST by Democratshavenobrains
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To: little jeremiah

Take care fella; it's been a pleasure.


299 posted on 12/07/2006 11:25:12 AM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: Antoninus
I would argue precedent on that one. I'd wager one of the reasons Mary "discovered" that she was a lesbian was a desperate cry for attention from her distant career parents. It wouldn't be the first time.

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300 posted on 12/07/2006 11:25:25 AM PST by Wormwood (Proud Goldwater Republican ( i.e. persona non grata)
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