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Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Reaction Thread - SPOILERS!!!!
me | 7/21/2007 | me

Posted on 07/21/2007 5:18:11 PM PDT by JenB

So you finally know what happens to Harry. All our questions are answered. Or not. What are your reactions? Whose death hurt the most? Do you want more, and about whom?

SPOILERS are ok on this thread! You have been warned!

Wow. It's over.


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Harry Potter has been part of my life since I was 15. Not having The Next Book to look forward to is really, really weird. So let's talk about things!
1 posted on 07/21/2007 5:18:14 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Politicalmom; retrokitten; Tax-chick; SuziQ; Corin Stormhands; Bear_in_RoseBear; Xenalyte

ping to a few who might want to chat.


2 posted on 07/21/2007 5:19:30 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB

What happened?

Quick synopsis.


3 posted on 07/21/2007 5:19:38 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Tanniker Smith; WV Mountain Mama; kevkrom; ksen; RosieCotton; andyssister; Aggie Mama; mware; ...

Ping to names I pulled off the “waiting for” list. SPOILERS!


4 posted on 07/21/2007 5:23:48 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Jet Jaguar
Harry dies. He's dead. DEAD DEAD DEAD!!!

OK, so I made that up. Check on page 604...

5 posted on 07/21/2007 5:24:31 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: JenB

Must...Not...Look...


6 posted on 07/21/2007 5:26:00 PM PDT by mom4kittys (If velvet could sing, it would sound like Josh Groban)
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To: Billthedrill

LOL!


7 posted on 07/21/2007 5:26:31 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: JenB
The epilogue was perhaps my biggest disappointment. I almost find it unbelievable that Harry did not return to Hogwarts as the Defense against dark arts teacher after running Dumbledore’s Army. And slightly disappointed at the plodding pace of Harry’s non-search, but minor quibble there.

Knocking off Fred was more than a bit frustrating, it was almost like she was pulling names out of a hat to decide who died. I’m also rather unclear - wasn’t the sorting hat burned? And if it was, what does the sorting at Hogwarts now? But Harry tells him that the hat listens, so, hey, guess they got someone to fix it up?

Best ‘blip’ appearance in the book - Former Divinations teacher and Hogwarts Resident, Trelawney, tossing crystal balls from her bag at the death eaters. Really, really got a kick out of that mention.

Most frustrating death: Fred, without a doubt. Come on, could have given Percy a chance to save his brother and redeem himself for being a twit.

Overall, it makes up for the previous two books, but I really would have liked to have read about this year from the perspective of one of the Hogwarts students.

8 posted on 07/21/2007 5:31:05 PM PDT by kingu (No, I don't use sarcasm tags - it confuses people.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Harry is taken away from the Dursleys and sets off on his quest for Voldemort’s Horcruxes after Bill and Fleur’s wedding. By this time, there have already been three deaths, one we care about. The locket horcrux was, as suspected, taken by Regulus Black, but is not destroyed but in the possession of Dolores Umbridge. H, R, & H sneak into the MoM and steal it, freeing a crowd of Muggleborns waiting to be hauled off the Azkaban in the process.

They discover the Horcrus is extremely hard to destroy. Ron eventually quarrels and storms off into the night. Harry and Hermione continue alone. They visit Godric’s Hollow, where Harry was born and where Dumbledore’s family lived. They are discovering disturbing truths about Dumbledore and his family, including that he was once friends with Grindelwald, the second most evil wizard either. They also recieve tantalizing hints about the Deathly Hallows, three magical objects which allow the user to be MAster of Death...

They are led to Godric Gryffindor’s sword by a mysterious doe patronus, and Ron rejoins them. They are captured by Death Eaters and taken to the Malfoy Estate, escape, and rob Gringotts for the cup Horcrux which is stored there. Harry realizes that the final Horcrux is at Hogwarts. They return with help from Dumbledore’s brother, the innkeeper at the Hog’s Head, and Neville leads them into the school. Neville has been leading the resistance movement at Hogwarts.

Harry has the Order of the Phoenix, Dumbledore’s army, and his old Quidditch team secure the school against Voldemort while he finds the final Horcrux, a diadem which belonged to Ravenclaw. Voldemort arrives. He demands Harry. Dumbledore kills Snape, who he believes has been a faithful servant. Snape’s dying act is to give Harry his memories, which reveal that Snape loved Lily Potter from childhood, that Dumbledore asked him to kill him (Dumbledore was dying already), and that Harry must face Voldemort - and die.

Harry goes to face Voldemort, has a near death experience, revives. Neville kills Nagini the snake. Harry faces Voldemort - and wins.

The epilogue is 19 years later, as he and Ginny, and Ron and Hermione, are seeing their children off to Hogwarts...

Death toll that we care about: Mad-Eye Moody, Dobby, Fred Weasley (sob), Remus Lupin (sob) and Nymphadora Tonks, who are married and leave behind a son, Colin Creevey, Snape. Crabbe or Goyle, I forget. A bunch of random people like Scrimgeour and the Muggle Studies tacher.


9 posted on 07/21/2007 5:38:00 PM PDT by JenB
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To: kingu

The whole point was that Harry finally got to be what he always wanted - normal. He has a family who loves him (the Weasley family! A big family too.)

Fred’s death was the worst, yes. Lupin’s was off screen, so it had no impact. It took my three reads through the page before I could believe Fred was dead.


10 posted on 07/21/2007 5:41:53 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Sidebar Moderator

I don’t suppose you’d change “readciton” to “reaction” in the title for me?

Sheesh, spellcheck, girl.


11 posted on 07/21/2007 5:42:57 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB

Sweet. I will go out this week and buy the last book.


12 posted on 07/21/2007 5:43:16 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: JenB

LOL! How fast do you read? My commie-librul sister is still incommunicado with the thing in hand...


13 posted on 07/21/2007 5:44:02 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: kingu
Oh, and unrelated to the book, but super frustrating was how Barnes and Noble handled those who had pre-reserved the book. We had reserved two copies at our local bookstore and went there, expecting to spend a couple hours enjoying the excitement, drinking coffee, and watching the kid go hyper, and probably pick up some other books at the same time.

When we got there, we were refused entry - we didn’t have one of the precious wrist bands they had issued an hour earlier, thus, we weren’t going to be permitted into the store, nor permitted to purchase the books we had reserved.

I called my credit card company to cancel the charges, and it was handled in moments, American Express had heard from a great number of customers across the country as they too were denied books at various stores, and there wasn’t the slightest bit of hesitation as it was canceled.

Instead, we went to our local Walmart, got in line, got wrist bands from a sorting hat, posters, book marks, and the coveted books, all with the minimum of fuss and muss. Made additional purchases while there, and we were out the door with our purchases while there was still a huge line left to process across the street at the B&N.

I can not fathom why, after getting a confirmation e-mail from the store of our reservation, and double checking the day before that we were on ‘the list’, that B&N would choose to treat their customers in this manner. But it does make us realize just how stupid a company can be on what is realistically one of their most important sales days in two years.

I made a commitment to buy, they made a commitment to sell, and I tried to keep up my end of the bargain, shame they couldn’t put forward the same effort. I’ll have to think twice before going there again.

14 posted on 07/21/2007 5:49:12 PM PDT by kingu (No, I don't use sarcasm tags - it confuses people.)
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It’s just so weird for me. Almost ten years of waiting for the next book.

I wrote fanfic. I wrote fairly ok fanfic for a 16 year old girl. I was the most popular Harry Potter fanfiction author for a while, based on fanfiction.net’s statistics. I made some friends I still have and some I wish I had still. My siblings and I would read the books aloud together the day after they came out. I didn’t this year because I’m grown up and married and living far away but the other six all did.

Now I will have to go and write the stories I like, since there is no other author I can rely on to give me the stories I crave. Well, she inspired my writing once. Maybe this time I can actually write my own world rather thank borrowing hers.

Here’s to you, Jo Rowling, and thanks.


15 posted on 07/21/2007 5:49:43 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB

It was only second stringers that died, so none of them had the impact that killing Albus did, she played it safe.

Minor Political Correctness moments:
“bonded for life” instead of “husband and wife”
Bible verses on tombstones, but nothing to indicate the quote was from the Bible.

The Malfoy’s were nearly absent, they didn’t really redeem themselves or continue as before, they just kind of sat around sulking mainly. Should have done more with them.

I agree the non-search was very boring, should have gone to Hogwarts to keep things interesting, show Snape in action, make us wonder what he was up to.

So shouldn’t Harry have been raising Teddy since he was his godfather?

Somewhere out in the UK, Rupert Grint is very happy about getting to snog Emma Watson.

The elves were underused, killing Dobby just seemed contrived, just a way to keep things hard for Harry.

Overall, very good, not great.


16 posted on 07/21/2007 5:50:03 PM PDT by Grig
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To: Billthedrill

I slowed way, way down and tried to savor every word. It took me something like 7 hours.


17 posted on 07/21/2007 5:50:20 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Grig

I assume Ted was raised by his grandmother Andromeda. Since family is so important in the books, Rowling would not have wanted Ted brought up by friends, even locing ones, when he has family around.

Second stringers? Fred Weasley is no second stringer. Remus’s death was ok because of the scene at the end - the true Marauders together in death as they once were in life.


18 posted on 07/21/2007 5:54:00 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
The whole point was that Harry finally got to be what he always wanted - normal. He has a family who loves him (the Weasley family! A big family too.)

True enough, just really my own expectations were different than the author's. The only real hanging string, actually, are the Dursleys. I really would have liked to have known what happened to them in the end, even a little teaser about Harry having to write Dudley when he got home would have been nice.

Don't get me wrong though, highly enjoyed the book. Really didn't expect her to leave the door open for more books in the universe, and quite pleased she did.

19 posted on 07/21/2007 5:54:28 PM PDT by kingu (No, I don't use sarcasm tags - it confuses people.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.


20 posted on 07/21/2007 5:55:50 PM PDT by weegee (If the Fairness Doctrine is imposed on USA who will CNN news get to read the conservative rebuttal)
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To: JenB

Many thanks for the synopsis. One measure of a fantasy author is how much of his or her world can manage in the absence of the main story line. Rowling’s is a very good one, IMHO. May you find yourself at home there at regular intervals!


21 posted on 07/21/2007 5:55:50 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: kingu

Wow B&N really screwed that one up. At Borders people that pre-ordered got wristbands, of course the earlier you showed up the better your wristband (they divided the list up into 12 lots at the store we went to). The whole motto at Borders seemed to be “come, browse, buy other stuff”. It was pretty fun.


22 posted on 07/21/2007 5:56:32 PM PDT by discostu (indecision may or may not be my biggest problem)
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To: JenB

Second stringers in terms them being supporting characters, not main characters. Albus was a main character, Ron, Harry, Herm, and Hagrid were main characters.

I guess Snape is a main character, but his death was pretty much expected so again there was little emotional impact. The most emotional point in the book for me was when Harry was going on his way to let V kill him.


23 posted on 07/21/2007 5:59:30 PM PDT by Grig
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To: JenB

Awesome! Thanks for starting this thread.


24 posted on 07/21/2007 5:59:38 PM PDT by NinoFan
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To: kingu

Even more frustrating is how the media respected the “news blackout” on Harry Potter “secrets” but is quite willing to share National Security secrets.


25 posted on 07/21/2007 6:00:05 PM PDT by weegee (If the Fairness Doctrine is imposed on USA who will CNN news get to read the conservative rebuttal)
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To: discostu
Yeah, it was very much the same viewpoint at Walmart; welcome to our store, yes, we’re excited about the books too, and did you happen to notice the great prices we have on vacuums this week?

The sorting hat was an interesting trick, been getting a laugh out of the number of customers who came in today wearing HP wristbands for the various houses.

26 posted on 07/21/2007 6:00:08 PM PDT by kingu (No, I don't use sarcasm tags - it confuses people.)
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To: weegee
Even more frustrating is how the media respected the “news blackout” on Harry Potter “secrets” but is quite willing to share National Security secrets.

Go back in time, label the HP series as being a conservative book, and I'm sure the NY Times would have had a headline on Tuesday: Snape Innocent Pensieve Memories Show, Weasley Family Mourns Loss From Unnecessary War -- Fans continue to protest the lack of consultation with the Wizengott, international magical body never asked to mediate dispute

It comes down to the normal: anything to forward the liberal agenda.

27 posted on 07/21/2007 6:04:05 PM PDT by kingu (No, I don't use sarcasm tags - it confuses people.)
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To: kingu
My daughter has all the series. I got off of work at 4 AM and stopped by WalMart on the way home. I figured they would be sold out.
Instead they pointed me to the back of the store at the electronics. There was a full pallet of books with a sign on top “limit 10 please”. No one was around. I picked up the book and walked to the front. The sales lady told me how people had stood in line for hours to get one. I just smiled as timing is everything.
It was sitting by the beside when my daughter woke up.
28 posted on 07/21/2007 6:12:33 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: weegee
Even more frustrating is how the media respected the “news blackout” on Harry Potter “secrets” but is quite willing to share National Security secrets.

That is a brilliant observation.

Consider it stolen. (I'll try to remember to attribute it to you, though) 

29 posted on 07/21/2007 6:21:07 PM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: JenB

Tonk dying, I didn’t see that coming. Fred too.Poor Mrs. Weasley, what did her clock say then? And why Dobby. His funeral where he was given clothing, and Luna closing his eyelids...
Snape. How he cried over that bit of letter that said,”Lots of Love, Lily”.Always knew that Snape was working on Dumbledore’s orders, but to find out how much he loved Lily Potter, since childhood,even after death, more tears.
Thanks for the thread, JenB.


30 posted on 07/21/2007 6:38:34 PM PDT by voiceinthewind
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To: Grig

See, I never thought that Snape’s death was a given. I wanted him to find a nice girl, settle down, have a happy life. I was so hoping that he could find some happiness.


31 posted on 07/21/2007 6:41:35 PM PDT by voiceinthewind
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To: weegee

¿por que!?


32 posted on 07/21/2007 6:50:33 PM PDT by Disciplinemisanthropy (Dog Kills Cat, Self)
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To: voiceinthewind

I... was touched. She did well in portraying Snape’s love for Lily. Never thought it would be that good, but it was.


33 posted on 07/21/2007 6:56:23 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB

she’ll be back, even the pumpkins came back. well, half of them.


34 posted on 07/21/2007 6:57:06 PM PDT by Disciplinemisanthropy (Dog Kills Cat, Self)
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To: Grig

Yeah, I know what you mean but really, F&G were so main to me... so sad to leave one and take the other...


35 posted on 07/21/2007 7:01:55 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB

I read the book online, and am now re-reading my hard copy. Who is the muggle who does magic? I thought one did, and I swear I don’t remember any such muggle in the book.


36 posted on 07/21/2007 7:11:44 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: JenB

“Neville kills Nagini the snake. “ Wow, just laughing at the New Orleans connection here. And Fred Weasley (Wesley) - wonder what her points of reference are.


37 posted on 07/21/2007 7:13:30 PM PDT by smalltownslick
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To: sockmonkey

It was to have been a Squib and no, can’t find ‘em. Must have been an early plot thread that got edited out.


38 posted on 07/21/2007 7:13:30 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB

Look at it this way, George stayed to continue amusing the survivors, and Fred went on to amuse the ones that died. Somebody has to keep them in stiches, right? Although I would have preferred Percy die saving Fred.

One of the saddest parts for me was when Snape wanted Harry to look at him when he was dying. He wanted to see Lily’s eyes one last time was the way I saw it...like he didn’t believe he would be going on to the same place that Lily did.

The best part was having the final fight at Hogwarts and having all the characters there that had been missing for so much of the book.


39 posted on 07/21/2007 7:22:43 PM PDT by KarenMal
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To: JenB

How many are in the complete series? I haven’t read a one yet, but will someday, when I get sick and am laid up for a while. Love the movies. Rawlings will write more of something. Writers write because they have to, not because of the money (except Heinlein of course).


40 posted on 07/21/2007 7:33:01 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
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To: MHGinTN

7 books.

Heinlein wrote because he had to, too, no matter what he said. You can’t do otherwise and write something worth reading.

Also, her name is “Rowling”, pronounced like “bowling”, fyi.


41 posted on 07/21/2007 7:37:34 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB

I was most taken by the explicit bible verses on the grave stones, the description of the sword as a silver cross in an icy pool of water (which then led into what I can only describe as a baptismal experience, complete with the starting of a process of sanctification.)

The clear Good Friday imagery as Harry went to his death was pretty overt.

But the most obvious Christian imagery to me was the whole “King’s Cross” Chapter (now there’s a title ‘eh?). The conversation between Harry and Dumbledore is basically the Patristic version of the Doctrine of the Atonement (ala Gregory of Nyssa).

Now that Rowling has tipped her hand to my mind as an explicit member of the Inklings, I think I understand the Pilgrim’s Progress flavor of the whole series. And why it was such an important thing that Harry played “Seeker” on the school team.

Amazing. Loved the book. Especially since it so clearly puts the whole series into the traditions of Lord of the Rings and Narnia.


42 posted on 07/21/2007 7:42:28 PM PDT by waspguy
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Oops, sorry about that. She deserves to have her name spelled correctly ... write seven books about anything and you realize it isn’t easy. Write seven best sellers regardless of the topic and you are a star writer. She’s darn near established her own style! Good on ‘er.


43 posted on 07/21/2007 7:45:06 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
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To: JenB

BTW, when I saw the ‘readciton’ I was drawn immediately to the thread. Sounds like a Potteresque word. I love to ‘create’ new words. ‘SinkEmperor’ for bj clinton is one of mine.


44 posted on 07/21/2007 7:46:59 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
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To: waspguy

Oh yeah. I recognize those elements though there are others that I still have to think about- the pool of water and sword also call to mind Arthurian legends, and if it’s a baptism stand-in does that make Ron John the Baptist?

Harry was wounded head, arm, and heart (side) before he died. He went willingly and suffered a mortal blow that was more deadly to his opponent than to him. He explicitly died “for his people”.

I was surprised just a little that he was allowed an ordinary life afterward, I was half expecting him to lose his powers or something.


45 posted on 07/21/2007 7:48:42 PM PDT by JenB
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To: MHGinTN

Good :-) If it had been “Readaction” I wouldn’t have minded ;-)

Well now I will have to work harder on my own world. It’s magic too but with spaceships :-)


46 posted on 07/21/2007 7:51:14 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Don’t forget the first important death, Hedwig. I sure hadn’t seen that coming.
47 posted on 07/21/2007 8:05:06 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer
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To: JenB

I think the implicit nods to Arthurian and Lord of the Rings imagery sort of cement for me the now explicit morality play and Christian allegorical style of the whole series.

As one who really came to faith by reading the Narnia books as a child, this new series will hopefully have a similar effect on new generations.


48 posted on 07/21/2007 8:07:27 PM PDT by waspguy
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To: JenB

It took away the impact for me that Fred and George weren’t together, but that also removed my “If one goes, they both go.” prediction, because Percy did what I would have expected George to do.

Tonks’ actions really seemed wrong to me. As a mother, I would not have put myself in danger knowing my child would be left alone.

I wanted to know what happened to Luna in the epilogue, and whether Minerva was headmistress.

Someone predicted Minerva was a Death Eater, but I knew that couldn’t be right, and actually her screaming first when she thought Harry was dead was heartwrenching.

And I KNEW that Snape was an unregistered animagi, the bat references were just too pointed.


49 posted on 07/21/2007 8:13:01 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Nearly 1% of illegals are in prison for felonies. Less than 1/10 of 1% of the legal population is.)
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To: JohnBovenmyer; All

I was expecting him to get a Phoenix somehow.

Also, to whoever said there was no “Romulus”...PTTTTHHH!!!


50 posted on 07/21/2007 8:20:52 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Nearly 1% of illegals are in prison for felonies. Less than 1/10 of 1% of the legal population is.)
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