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Good-bye [if I can't post my 9/11 troofer garbage to FR, I'm leaving]
self ^ | June 25, 2009 | ThePythonicCow

Posted on 06/25/2009 12:41:23 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow

Good-bye.

A few months ago, I posted some information on bank financial strength. The post was a complex table and it took me sometime to make the post. Not long after, I forget but perhaps 10 or 20 minutes, the post disappeared. Figuring I made a mistake, I posted it again. This time I was pretty sure I posted it correctly. It disappeared within a few minutes. To verify that this was what was happening, I posted a third time. It again disappeared immediately.

I never received any feedback from FreeRepublic on this matter.

It annoyed me, but since I have always trusted FR, and since I have so far as I know maintained a sterling reputation here as a well behaved citizen for the eight or ten years I've been here, I shook my head in confusion and forgot that incident.

Just tonight I posted a more controversial post involving 9/11. It disappeared within minutes (after I had verified that the post succeeded).

Again, no notice public or private, before or after the fact. Just poof.

Good-bye.

I will cancel future monthly FR donations and leave. I cannot support a political discussion and news site which makes seriously intended posts by long standing contributors of good standing just disappear without notice, public or private, before or after.

The SanityIsland.us site, with some Daily Dose images, will remain around likely for one year, then go away without further notice. I may be reached via email at pj@usa.net (yes, I have excellent spam filters.)

Sites have a right to do as they please, but also a responsibility to stand up for the actions they take, at least involving participants acting in good faith. FR apparently is failing to honor this responsibility.

I would ask that in the future removals of posts made in good faith by members in good standing at least be recognized in private messages to the poster after the fact, stating the approximate cause for removal. Even a 'boilerplate' explanation would be better than nothing.

I wish this fine community and the good people here well. This nation is in dire need of honest reporting and discussion.



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To: CellPhoneSurfer
Not on my pings list (unless I am looking at a pings list that is stale -- downloaded from FR prior to the thread being pulled.)
101 posted on 06/25/2009 2:41:14 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: ThePythonicCow

Lets break out the fireworks.

Come on, this thread has been fun. Consider staying around.


102 posted on 06/25/2009 2:42:20 AM PDT by VicVega (Join Jihad, get captured by the US and resettled in the best places in the world. I love the USA)
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To: ThePythonicCow
The site was ***********.net

The mods don't take kindly to the kind of anti-Semitic crap that infests the link you provided. No wonder they pulled your post.

103 posted on 06/25/2009 2:43:12 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (When the going gets tough, the tough go out for ice cream.)
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To: ThePythonicCow; admin
I understand your frustrations TPC, It's be sad for the community if you left over it though.

Maybe an automated message script initiated by the Moderators that simply tells you it's been pulled would help?
I did have a post edited/pulled when I first joined FR due to my naivety with FR rules, but the moderator left the thread and wrote into the blank space that it had been unacceptable, is there a specified Moderator response to unacceptable threads, or is it subjective?

Just my 2 pence worth, I understand the workload balance issue for the Moderators, and am not calling for revision to FR practice.
104 posted on 06/25/2009 2:43:41 AM PDT by bethybabes69 (Between you, and whatever you call God, there is no authority, only an illusion of it.)
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To: ThePythonicCow

Well, it seems to me that you were pissed off but not pissed on so why not just chalk it up to experience? Tomorrow is another day.


105 posted on 06/25/2009 2:44:13 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: ThePythonicCow
I won't sum up my 9/11 thoughts here, as I am now more aware than I was an hour ago that my views on that topic are not appropriate here.

Well I suppose I can always go google 9/11 truther if need be to see what makes one a 9/11 truther, I surmise it must be a strictly a liberal thing, that's why FR doesn't allow discussion of it.

106 posted on 06/25/2009 2:47:14 AM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: ThePythonicCow
guess I'd better remove my FreeRepublic.com bumper sticker as well. Yes, I have one.

You are a brave soul. Living in the SF Bay Area, that would be a sure way to get my car keyed.

Sorry you are leaving. There's a lot of cr@p posted on FR, but the conspiracy stuff is not the worst. In my opinion, 90% of the vanity posts should be zotted. Also, everything pertaining to celebrities, with the possible exception of their obituaries. But 9/11 should be an open topic. An event of such enormous impact should have been investigated with far more diligence than it was.

107 posted on 06/25/2009 2:49:53 AM PDT by giotto
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To: bethybabes69

Nikita Kruschev called the strategy half a century ago:

“We cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism.”

“I can prophecy that your grandchildren in America will live under socialism.
Our firm conviction is that sooner or later Capitalism will give way to Socialism. Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you.”

“The United States will eventually fly the Communist red flag. The American people will hoist it themselves.”

Nikita Krushchev, July 19, 1962
...........................................................................

Thank you for that quote. I only remember hearing about the “We will bury you” part. It is scary what’s happening now...the Left has been tirelessly working on controlling this country for decades. And yes, Free Republic is a life line.


108 posted on 06/25/2009 2:50:05 AM PDT by deks (Help prevent the next Ice Age...support global warming.)
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To: bethybabes69
Exactly. They still do that today. But if one doesn't keep around a link to the pulled thread, one can't find that note from the moderator. All the usual links to the thread disappear.
109 posted on 06/25/2009 2:50:22 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: LadyPilgrim
Scary isn't it LadyPilgrim?

The scariest part for me, is the scale of the social engineering involved.

I'm British, and even though our Conservative movement here is based loosely on classic British Nationalism/Socialism (no hidden secret there), the fact that the US has changed so drastically is a real eyeopener.
110 posted on 06/25/2009 2:52:30 AM PDT by bethybabes69 (Between you, and whatever you call God, there is no authority, only an illusion of it.)
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To: ThePythonicCow

I order you to stay!!!


111 posted on 06/25/2009 2:52:46 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

***I order you to stay!!!***

At least till you break 200 post. This is like a Ron Paul thread, it keeps growing and growing.


112 posted on 06/25/2009 2:56:25 AM PDT by VicVega (Join Jihad, get captured by the US and resettled in the best places in the world. I love the USA)
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To: Fresh Wind
In this case, the mods have stated they pulled it for content (truther BS) rather than for reason of the site it came from.

I would have provided a link to the article from somewhat more reputable site, however all the (slightly) more reputable sites I could find mentioning the article only had excerpts, with links back to the original posting site. That original posting site was down. So I was left with that *****.net site.

Granted, if the mods had gotten a bit further before deciding, they might well have pulled my thread on account of the site I linked to ;).

113 posted on 06/25/2009 2:57:24 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: giotto
I have moved to Texas.
114 posted on 06/25/2009 2:58:31 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: VicVega

There’s a Viagra thread. Maybe we could combine them.


115 posted on 06/25/2009 2:58:52 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: GeronL
Not exactly a high traffic time for FR.

No?

Good-bye
Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:41:23 AM · by ThePythonicCow ·
111 replies · 1,608+ views

Obama's fault!

116 posted on 06/25/2009 2:59:02 AM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: ThePythonicCow
Mooo Tooo, TPC. Calm down, count to some random number, take a deep breath, yada, yada. I jumped on this thread because of all the ...ummm..."senior" handles.

Those of use who have been around here a long time have read the opus' (opie?, LOL!), seen the schisms, but in the end FR still stands as the most informative, timely, and fun - Woo-Hoo - conservative site on the web. And, at this time of trouble for our country we don't need to be splitting or losing FRiends again.

Many of us have had post pulled for one reason or another. Some pulls might have been unwarranted and I agree with you that it would be courteous for the Mods to at least FReepmail a reason for the pull. That might not be possible though, and could lead to a time consuming - for the Mods - exchange.

IIRC I've had threads pulled. One was one of the first posts, if not THE first post, of the Red State/Blue State map that was in USA today. I think somewhere in the remarks I questioned if the map was defining the boundaries for the next US civil war. Of course since then the map has been posted and similar remarks made. Sooo, big deal. I didn't take offense, in fact I view it more as I was ahead of the curve, LOL. I think JR was the one who pulled the thread, and I believe I did get a note explaining the action.

Another time I posted a thread about the reflectors on the backs of highway signs being a code for terrorists. It was supposed to be humor but the Mods didn't see it that way so it was pulled. After re-reading the article I could understand how someone might not understand that it was humor.

Bottom line in both cases was so what. The posts didn't mean much to me. I could let it go easily. It's kinda like when people criticize my radio work or admittedly really poor guitar playing. The way I see it if they don't like it it's their loss. After over 25 years in radio if someone is in my studio and thinks they can do a better job on the air I sit 'em down at the board and say "go for it." It's funny watching them freeze or fail.

So step back a couple of days, lurk awhile, visit other sites then gird yourself for the next round and come back into the fray.

We need each and everyone of us, especially experienced posters.

prisoner6

117 posted on 06/25/2009 3:00:26 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the Left fall out.)
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer); ThePythonicCow
I order you to stay!!!

There you go, that's reminiscent of a Government screamed statute, so TPC, either go into dishonour on Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)'s newly created statute and stay on FR, or negotiate a retort!

Seriously though, stay, it's no good for a 'newb like Moi' if the FR Vets are jumping ship!
118 posted on 06/25/2009 3:01:40 AM PDT by bethybabes69 (Between you, and whatever you call God, there is no authority, only an illusion of it.)
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To: ThePythonicCow
I have moved to Texas.

That's too bad. Texas is so full of...uh...Texans.

Two hundred, here we come.

119 posted on 06/25/2009 3:01:59 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: VicVega
At least till you break 200 post. This is like a Ron Paul thread, it keeps growing and growing.

And they tend to last for several days.

120 posted on 06/25/2009 3:02:25 AM PDT by Allegra ( Iran Azadi!)
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To: MARTIAL MONK
That's too bad. Texas is so full of...uh...Texans.

That's what makes it so great! :-)

121 posted on 06/25/2009 3:03:27 AM PDT by Allegra ( Iran Azadi!)
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To: Allegra
That's what makes it so great!

Great for the rest of the country. If they're there, they ain't here.

122 posted on 06/25/2009 3:05:30 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: ThePythonicCow

Keep the Faith. Good night to you, and to all of the insomniacs, graveyard shift, and overseas Freepers. And remember this...

‘Love knows no limit to its endurance, no end to its trust, no fading of its hope; it can outlast anything. It is, in fact, the one thing that still stands when all else has fallen.’


123 posted on 06/25/2009 3:06:45 AM PDT by deks (Help prevent the next Ice Age...support global warming.)
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To: ThePythonicCow
I have moved to Texas.

That seals it then, 'six degrees of separation' an all that, I have a personal friend who lives in Houston (whom I haven't seen in 5 years), so now we have 'some' connection, I'd be 'dishonoured' if you left FR . . .there!

(I bet ThePythonicCow's ping list is blazing, must feel like being Obama . . or something)
124 posted on 06/25/2009 3:06:56 AM PDT by bethybabes69 (Between you, and whatever you call God, there is no authority, only an illusion of it.)
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To: ThePythonicCow
The original posting site is back up: http://www.voltairenet.org
125 posted on 06/25/2009 3:07:21 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: MARTIAL MONK
Great for the rest of the country. If they're there, they ain't here.

I'm not sure where "here" is since you don't fly a state flag (embarrassed?), but I'm very glad I'm not "there."

I am not currently in my home Lone Star State, but feel very welcomed where I am for now. :-)

126 posted on 06/25/2009 3:09:48 AM PDT by Allegra ( Iran Azadi!)
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To: Allegra
Well, I'm not a real Texan yet. I still talk funny.
127 posted on 06/25/2009 3:10:44 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: ThePythonicCow
Well, I'm not a real Texan yet.

If you want to be a real Texan buy a pink tutu and show up at the nearest roadhouse on Saturday night. Trust me, it's a secret initiation and everyone will understand.

128 posted on 06/25/2009 3:17:10 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: ThePythonicCow

And I am a Texan living in exile in the SF Bay Area.


129 posted on 06/25/2009 3:18:09 AM PDT by giotto
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To: prisoner6
The reason for the pull was not my primary objection. My objection was that such pulls are routinely done without notice visible to the poster. All links to the article just disappear.

My reaction to the reason for the pull is different. As my political positions change over time, they will sooner or later wander away from positions supported by FR, and hence I would (and have been already, actually) wander off to other sites more frequently. But that's not cause for slamming the door on the way out. Just a change of interests or viewpoints.

130 posted on 06/25/2009 3:20:00 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: giotto

San Francisco is just Dallas with and ocean view.


131 posted on 06/25/2009 3:20:22 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: MARTIAL MONK
I suspect I'll have better luck posting more Truther threads to FR ;).
132 posted on 06/25/2009 3:21:10 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: ThePythonicCow

Trust me, you’ll get a kick out of their reaction. It’s a Texas thing.


133 posted on 06/25/2009 3:22:42 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: ThePythonicCow
As my political positions change over time, they will sooner or later wander away from positions supported by FR,

You mean you're slowly turnin' liberal? Oh My!

134 posted on 06/25/2009 3:24:39 AM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: whatisthetruth
No. Closer to a Ron Paul + 9/11 Truther, who would repeal the 16th and 17th ammendments, repeal 80% of the federal laws, shut down the IRS and the FED, and close down 2/3's of the government offices in Washington. We're in deeper yogurt than picking sides, red or blue, can resolve.
135 posted on 06/25/2009 3:31:00 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: ThePythonicCow

I had a post pulled once (a reply post, not a thread-starter) which contained a link to a banned site (left wing, as I recall). The page I linked to contained a repost of an article from a legitimate newspaper’s site which was no longer available at the original location. I didn’t want to copy the text of the article (for the obvious reason), so I linked.

My reason for posting it was to highlight a glaring example of Obama’s racial hypocrisy, always a popular subject here.

The mod was good enough to ping me with a reason, and it was simply that any link to the banned site was unwelcome, even if the content at the linked page was legitimate and relevant.

I accepted that, and moved on.

The lesson here is that the mods consider the ENTIRE content of a site to be the determining factor in whether ANY content of the site can be posted.

I totally agree with you, though, that they should notify the thread originator when a thread is pulled, if for no other reason than common courtesy.


136 posted on 06/25/2009 3:31:41 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (When the going gets tough, the tough go out for ice cream.)
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To: MARTIAL MONK
Oh, I trust you alright. I've just got no hankering right now to have some good ol Texans kickin my sorry butt. It might hurt ... when I came to the next day.
137 posted on 06/25/2009 3:33:48 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: ThePythonicCow

All the Texans must be asleep or in jail. I expected another Alamo.


138 posted on 06/25/2009 3:35:38 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: whatisthetruth

Can’t we at least pretend no one was around? =o)


139 posted on 06/25/2009 3:40:18 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <----go there now,----> tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: ThePythonicCow
"But you shoulda told me. You can be blunt, you can do so after the fact, without further discussion or recourse. Just a private message saying "pulled - garbage" would have been sufficient."

As I understand it, the moderators on this site are volunteers, meaning they give of their own personal time to help out here.

While it would be nice for them to provide an explanation for every action they take in moderating, after moderating a forum myself, I can tell you that explaining every deletion is impossible. Moderators have lives, too, and if they get into a discussion with every poster about the post they moderated (which is bound to happen -- because usually people aren't satisfied with the first explanation, or even the tenth), they won't get much else done.

I have a hunch if you leave you'll regret it. The point you are trying to make will be forgotten by most by tomorrow, and within a few weeks or months only a handful if that will consciously still miss you. You, on the other hand, will miss FR continuously. It's obviously been a big part of your life, and I promise you the hole left in your life will be much bigger than the hole left here by your leaving.

140 posted on 06/25/2009 3:43:34 AM PDT by TruthSetsUFree
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To: TruthSetsUFree
I agree entirely. I am assuming that this is easily automated. A thread pull, in addition to removing the links and replacing the target page with a short "pulled" notice, should also send an automatic private message to the poster, with a link to the otherwise no longer accessible page now containing that "pulled" notice.
141 posted on 06/25/2009 3:50:47 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: ThePythonicCow

bump


142 posted on 06/25/2009 3:54:45 AM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: ThePythonicCow

Smoochy MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...

Email sweetie

You have always been helpful to those of us needing guidance.. I recall a few weeks you spent hours helping me re:Finest/Dose postings & working out some techie things.

I know this junk is frustrating


143 posted on 06/25/2009 3:56:52 AM PDT by DollyCali (Don't tell GOD how big your storm is -- Tell the storm how B-I-G your God is!)
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To: VicVega

: )


144 posted on 06/25/2009 3:59:14 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: bethybabes69

“There you go, that’s reminiscent of a Government screamed statute, so TPC, either go into dishonour on Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)’s newly created statute and stay on FR, or negotiate a retort!”

If my orders are not followed, I will do something drastic...I don’t know what yet. I’ll invent something.


146 posted on 06/25/2009 4:11:59 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

There you go again—ordering people around!

Good to “see” you, hope all is well where you are.

I wonder where Greg Craig is escorting the next batch of Gitmo residents.


147 posted on 06/25/2009 4:16:49 AM PDT by exit82 (Be vigilant--what is happening on Iran's streets may yet happen here in America.)
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
If my orders are not followed, I will do something drastic...I don’t know what yet. I’ll invent something.

LOL, you really DO SOUND like a Government official now Gatún!

(only kidding) :)
148 posted on 06/25/2009 4:17:43 AM PDT by bethybabes69 (Between you, and whatever you call God, there is no authority, only an illusion of it.)
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To: exit82

“I wonder where Greg Craig is escorting the next batch of Gitmo residents.”

He is such a crook.

I get angry everytime I see this mango tree lawyer’s name.


150 posted on 06/25/2009 4:33:21 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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