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Good-bye [if I can't post my 9/11 troofer garbage to FR, I'm leaving]
self ^ | June 25, 2009 | ThePythonicCow

Posted on 06/25/2009 12:41:23 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow

Good-bye.

A few months ago, I posted some information on bank financial strength. The post was a complex table and it took me sometime to make the post. Not long after, I forget but perhaps 10 or 20 minutes, the post disappeared. Figuring I made a mistake, I posted it again. This time I was pretty sure I posted it correctly. It disappeared within a few minutes. To verify that this was what was happening, I posted a third time. It again disappeared immediately.

I never received any feedback from FreeRepublic on this matter.

It annoyed me, but since I have always trusted FR, and since I have so far as I know maintained a sterling reputation here as a well behaved citizen for the eight or ten years I've been here, I shook my head in confusion and forgot that incident.

Just tonight I posted a more controversial post involving 9/11. It disappeared within minutes (after I had verified that the post succeeded).

Again, no notice public or private, before or after the fact. Just poof.

Good-bye.

I will cancel future monthly FR donations and leave. I cannot support a political discussion and news site which makes seriously intended posts by long standing contributors of good standing just disappear without notice, public or private, before or after.

The SanityIsland.us site, with some Daily Dose images, will remain around likely for one year, then go away without further notice. I may be reached via email at pj@usa.net (yes, I have excellent spam filters.)

Sites have a right to do as they please, but also a responsibility to stand up for the actions they take, at least involving participants acting in good faith. FR apparently is failing to honor this responsibility.

I would ask that in the future removals of posts made in good faith by members in good standing at least be recognized in private messages to the poster after the fact, stating the approximate cause for removal. Even a 'boilerplate' explanation would be better than nothing.

I wish this fine community and the good people here well. This nation is in dire need of honest reporting and discussion.



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To: bethybabes69

“LOL, you really DO SOUND like a Government official now Gatún!”

I’m reading and learning from all those crooks in DC.

: )


151 posted on 06/25/2009 4:37:53 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: ThePythonicCow
I will cancel future monthly FR donations and leave.

Good call, PC. The capricious, imperial mods here have kept me from donating and have edged me toward teh exit door several times.
152 posted on 06/25/2009 4:39:34 AM PDT by flowerplough (Bammy = Oprah = Clinton = most elected Democrats, successfully feigning compassion for money&power)
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To: ThePythonicCow; All
Come read the pulled thread before the original Mod wakes-up!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2278968/posts

153 posted on 06/25/2009 4:58:09 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator

The majority of “censorship” vanities seem to come from Truthers.

And they always say “I don’t know if this is true but...”


154 posted on 06/25/2009 5:00:45 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: ThePythonicCow
An automated message to the original poster would be a great idea. Heck, I've posted to threads that were then banned, much to my consternation, because I was usually having fun on those threads.

In all my time here, I have had a thread or two pulled. I remember my first pulled thread, I believe JibRob pulled it himself. And you know what, he was right to pull in, in hindsight. I was lucky though in that he responded to me himself after he pulled the thread. Back then, FR wasn't quite so busy and The Man could message you himself.

Its a bit less personal these days, and you just have to go with it I guess, no place is perfect, you have to take the good with the bad.

I have some views that are quite inconsistent with the vast majority of freepers, but ultimately, I know sites like these are social networking sites, and you kind of have to go with the flow, or go somewhere else. I value FR enough to stick around, even when I get fed up.

Now my opinion on Truthers is the same as other conspiracy stuff.. I don't like seeing it. Conspiracism (and it exists on the Right as well as the Left, in fact, I used to think it was strictly a right wing thing.) is a type of logical breakdown, as in the end, it depends on non-falsifiable evidence and reasoning.

Honestly though, there ARE conspiracy type theories and reasoning that goes on here, of the right wing kind, that I wish would go away, but like I said, no place is perfect, but this place is the only place of its kind, and is my favorite place on the internet. If I came in to alot of money, I would make a HUGE donation.

Stick around man, the water aint perfect, but its fun to splash around!

155 posted on 06/25/2009 5:53:30 AM PDT by Paradox (When the left have no one to villainize, they'll turn on each other.)
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To: period end of story
And so it begins.

And so what begins?

156 posted on 06/25/2009 7:05:07 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: ThePythonicCow
No. Closer to a Ron Paul + 9/11 Truther, who would repeal the 16th and 17th ammendments, repeal 80% of the federal laws, shut down the IRS and the FED, and close down 2/3's of the government offices in Washington. We're in deeper yogurt than picking sides, red or blue, can resolve.

When did you almost become me?

157 posted on 06/25/2009 7:27:12 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Admin Moderator

LOL! THERE it is, good job Mod.......


158 posted on 06/25/2009 7:29:14 AM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: MARTIAL MONK

LOL. Read that one too.


159 posted on 06/25/2009 7:32:05 AM PDT by VicVega (Join Jihad, get captured by the US and resettled in the best places in the world. I love the USA)
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To: Admin Moderator
from the link:

Kurt Sonnenfeld lives in exile in Argentina

Whole lot of stuff going on in Argentina...
160 posted on 06/25/2009 7:33:04 AM PDT by novemberslady
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To: Admin Moderator
Here's the thread: and I am anti-troofer but I watch them anyway:

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Skip to comments.9/11 FEMA videographer at Ground Zero goes public
Silvia Cattori ^ | 22 June 2009 | The Voltaire Network

Posted on 06/24/2009 10:52:26 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow

Kurt Sonnenfeld : Exclusive interview

9/11 FEMA videographer at Ground Zero goes public

As official videographer for the U.S. government, Kurt Sonnenfeld was detailed to Ground Zero on September 11, 2001, where he spent one month filming 29 tapes: "What I saw at certain moments and in certain places ... is very disturbing!" He never handed them over to the authorities and has been persecuted ever since. Kurt Sonnenfeld lives in exile in Argentina, where he wrote « El Perseguido » (the persecuted). His recently-published book tells the story of his unending nightmare and drives another nail into the coffin of the government’s account of the 9/11 events. Below is an exclusive interview by Voltairenet.

(Excerpt) Read more at silviacattori.net ...


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The original link for this is href=http://www.voltairenet.org/article160636.html, however the voltairenet.org site seems to be down. I have found several sites offering snippets of the article. The one linked here seems to have a complete copy.

Be careful who you trust here. Someone is not telling the truth, big time, but I can make no claim to know who.

Some of the interesting claims by Kurt in this interview are that he has evidence that a large room sized vault of the CIA's most valued documents was found emptied under the rubble, presumably before the attack. Large chunks of the planes survived, such as landing tires, despite the claimed heat that took down the buildings. Other structural steel and concrete parts of the building were pulverized to a fine dust. And of course Building 7's sudden collapse is unaccounted for in the official version.

1 posted on 06/24/2009 10:52:27 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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161 posted on 06/25/2009 7:36:00 AM PDT by txhurl (Put the pressure on and keep it on until this administration snaps.)
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To: bethybabes69
We will bury barry you.
162 posted on 06/25/2009 7:38:44 AM PDT by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: newfreep

Damn..... and sell us the capitalist rope we hang ourselves with.

What are we going to do?

I cannot believe these last six months.


163 posted on 06/25/2009 7:49:24 AM PDT by txhurl (Put the pressure on and keep it on until this administration snaps.)
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To: bethybabes69

It’s like putting frogs in cool water. Then heat it up.
They don’t realize it’s boiling until too late.

That’s how I think about this same situation.
We have a nation of liberals who are willing to “turn” on a paycheck.
They have the media, hollywood and a host of political promises to blame.

Social engineering to the MAX!


164 posted on 06/25/2009 7:50:45 AM PDT by LadyPilgrim ((Lifted up was He to die; It is finished was His cry; Hallelujah what a Savior!!!!!! ))
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To: djf; ThePythonicCow; Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
I know for a fact that not all FReepers agree with the official conclusions about 9/11. There are some questions that need asking.

There are questions that need asking. That's why the type of stuff that Cow was posting is so corrosive. It distracts from real issues and soaks itself in fantasyland.

9/11 Trutherism is a mental disorder. I've had friends who've succumbed to it, and its a sad thing to watch. If you believe that bombs blew up WTC 1, 2, or 7, or that a plane did not hit the Pentagon, you're either willfully ignorant, or something is wrong with you. These are the simplest assertions in the world to refute, with just 5 minutes of research.

From conversing with the Truthers I know, I have come to the conclusion that it is a quasi-religion for them. No matter how much evidence I show them, it makes not a whit of a difference.

I've shown them a video of a firefighter looking up at a still-standing WTC 7, saying "This building is coming down. You can see it leaning", and they still stand by their theory that the thing was blown up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HLDgjYuRHk

I've shown multiple reports of eyewitness testimony who saw a jet hit the Pentagon, but my Truther acquiantences still stand by their theory that a "missile" hit the Pentagon.

http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/Pentagon_witnesses

This stuff is loony bin tripe. It's idiotic, but unfortunately has a hold on a good portion of the country.

Rational, intelligent people who do not let themselves be deluded by crazy conspiracy garbage needs to team up and stop this stuff now. A good start is to not let FreeRepublic become a channel to spread this nonsense.

I'm going to report abuse on any 9/11 Truther thread I see, and I would expect that the mods will continue to "pull it".

165 posted on 06/25/2009 8:17:02 AM PDT by GunRunner
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To: ThePythonicCow
"And my views on 9/11 have diverged from FR."

Bye.

166 posted on 06/25/2009 10:06:14 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/jimrobfr)
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To: ThePythonicCow

I am some species of 9/11 truther. Up until the last two or three years, I was well aligned with the FR position on this matter.

_________________

You won’t be missed. All of you other genius truthers can take a hike as well, you don’t even need an opus, just leave.


167 posted on 06/25/2009 10:14:32 AM PDT by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: word_warrior_bob
...genius truthers...

Every one of them thinks they're an armchair architechial engineer and demolations expert.

168 posted on 06/25/2009 10:27:28 AM PDT by GunRunner
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To: ThePythonicCow; Admin Moderator

Same thing happened to me two days ago: thread pulled no explanation. Had three comments and then it was gone, quite annoying.

There was one reply from some fool who made a negative comment about the article while writing that he hadn’t read it and may have made a complaint to the mod.

An explanation of some sort from the mods would be helpful.


169 posted on 06/25/2009 10:39:31 AM PDT by tired1 (When the Devil eats you there's only one way out.)
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To: ThePythonicCow
Up until the last two or three years, I was well aligned with the FR position on this matter.

Like hell. Truthers have been persona non grata on FR for some time.

170 posted on 06/25/2009 10:58:27 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
I wrote: dirtboy replied: Yes - FR has been consistent. Until recently, I agreed with FR and had no patience for truthers. I changed, not FR. I didn't mean to imply otherwise.
171 posted on 06/25/2009 11:03:12 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: ThePythonicCow
And my views on 9/11 have diverged from FR.

No, your view on 9/11 have diverged from reality.

172 posted on 06/25/2009 11:06:42 AM PDT by denydenydeny ("I'm sure this goes against everything you've been taught, but right and wrong do exist"-Dr House)
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim wrote: Take care. I wish FR well.
173 posted on 06/25/2009 11:12:10 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: ThePythonicCow
Well, you're a damned fool, then. Any truther 'explanation' of 9-11 defies all logic and reason. Do you think it possible for demolition charges to be placed throughout the twin towers without anyone noticing? Does it seem instead logical to you that, since the collapse in both towers began at the impact points, that the impacts are themselves responsible? Please explain to me how a demolition setup crew would know exactly where in each tower the planes were going to hit - and then place the precision charges to initiate the collapse at those points (in defiance of normal demolition procedures, which start the collapse at the BOTTOM of a structure) - and then those precision charges somehow survived the impact and fire to still function - no wires broken, no explosives scraped away or cooked off prematurely.

You need to step away from the keyboard and take a month off from the internet. Seriously. Get your head away from whatever truther sewer you've been visiting and get out in the real world and get your logical filters engaged again.

174 posted on 06/25/2009 11:13:35 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: ThePythonicCow

Forget all this! Cheer yourself up by visiting www.sarahpac.com today!


175 posted on 06/25/2009 11:15:10 AM PDT by jla
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To: dirtboy
It's best if I don't participate in that discussion here.
176 posted on 06/25/2009 11:15:11 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: ThePythonicCow
It's best if I don't participate in that discussion here.

It's best if you pull your head out of your arse, quite frankly. Conspiracy theories are rot in this day and age and you need to pull yourself out of this idiocy.

177 posted on 06/25/2009 11:17:35 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Admin Moderator

When we hit abuse, do you know the poster who is making the complaint? Or is it semi-anonymous (like you get see IP or something) or completely anonymous?

Just asking out of curiosity, no specific incident.


178 posted on 06/25/2009 11:24:39 AM PDT by retrokitten
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To: retrokitten
When we hit abuse, do you know the poster who is making the complaint?

Yes. Just the handle, no IP address.

179 posted on 06/25/2009 11:36:35 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator

Thanks!


180 posted on 06/25/2009 11:37:16 AM PDT by retrokitten
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To: retrokitten

Welcome.


181 posted on 06/25/2009 11:38:12 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: GunRunner
Every one of them thinks they're an armchair architechial engineer and demolations expert.

And their "evidence" consists of things like observations of structural anomalies of large steel buildings and aircraft made by literature/philosophy majors/videographers who are fighting extradition for killing their wives.

182 posted on 06/25/2009 11:55:41 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: dirtboy
Conspiracy theories are rot in this day and age and you need to pull yourself out of this idiocy.

On another (unrelated) thread, someone made a great comment that seems to pertain..

At what point does wishful thinking become a self-serving lie?

183 posted on 06/25/2009 12:16:03 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Trailerpark Badass

“And their “evidence” consists of things like observations of structural anomalies of large steel buildings and aircraft made by literature/philosophy majors/videographers who are fighting extradition for killing their wives. “

ROTFLMAO


184 posted on 06/25/2009 1:02:36 PM PDT by icwhatudo (For every clinic bombed or burned, 17 to 18 churches are burned down. MSM? MSM?)
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To: ThePythonicCow
I actually did read your post and went to the link. I wasn't too surprised to find it was pulled a short time later. I'm no expert, but most of the stuff that guy was talking about sounded pretty goofy to me.

That being said, I think you should stay. We've got to stick together and present a strong united front against socialism and tyranny.

An honest discussion about the events and conspiracy theories regarding 9/11 would be interesting, but I'm not sure how much good it would do. People are still arguing about the Kennedy assasination after more than 45 years.

185 posted on 06/25/2009 3:17:29 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( Don't mess with the mockingbird! /\/\ http://tiny.cc/freepthis)
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To: icwhatudo

That explains it... not just a truther, but an atheist one.

Pick your poison but don’t slam the freeperworld with both, please. It’s more than we weak-stomached ones can handle.


186 posted on 06/25/2009 5:19:53 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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To: ThePythonicCow

You are so close to 200 post count.

Hope you changed your mind and decided to continue playing in the reindeer games.


187 posted on 06/25/2009 6:09:46 PM PDT by VicVega (Join Jihad, get captured by the US and resettled in the best places in the world. I love the USA)
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To: ThePythonicCow

Dude! Its not an OPUS unless you GO AWAY.


188 posted on 06/25/2009 6:19:58 PM PDT by Delta 21 (If you cant tell if I'm being sarcastic...maybe I'm not.)
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To: Delta 21

I’m with you. He should just stfu and go away already.


189 posted on 06/25/2009 6:49:21 PM PDT by calex59
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To: ThePythonicCow

Geeze...if it was that “9/11 was a Bush/Cheney conspiracy” crap of *course* you have to expect it to be deleted.


190 posted on 06/25/2009 7:38:49 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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To: Admin Moderator
And so what begins?

The "explanation" to this thread: as if....

191 posted on 06/25/2009 11:08:42 PM PDT by period end of story (Give me a firm spot, and I will move the world.)
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To: VicVega
You are so close to 200 post count.

So close, and yet....

192 posted on 06/25/2009 11:10:25 PM PDT by period end of story (Give me a firm spot, and I will move the world.)
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To: period end of story

This thread is about to Michael Jackson itself.


193 posted on 06/25/2009 11:31:21 PM PDT by VicVega (Join Jihad, get captured by the US and resettled in the best places in the world. I love the USA)
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To: VicVega
Too bad: it would have been interesting to hear what Jacko really thought about 9/11.
194 posted on 06/25/2009 11:33:49 PM PDT by period end of story (Give me a firm spot, and I will move the world.)
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To: period end of story

He was a muslim, so I am sure he had something to say.


195 posted on 06/25/2009 11:36:32 PM PDT by VicVega (Join Jihad, get captured by the US and resettled in the best places in the world. I love the USA)
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To: VicVega

Ya!
Something stupid. But still....


196 posted on 06/25/2009 11:40:55 PM PDT by period end of story (Give me a firm spot, and I will move the world.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Geeze...if it was that “9/11 was a Bush/Cheney conspiracy” crap of *course* you have to expect it to be deleted.

Besides don't cha think that if there was one iota of proof that the current administration would go after this with both barrels blazing? This would secure BO's place in history....

ala Occam's Razor...the simplest explanation is probably the most accurate...

some people have too much time on their hands....

197 posted on 06/25/2009 11:44:11 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("Just because something is free doesn't mean it's good for you".)
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To: period end of story

Oooh.... BUMP?


198 posted on 06/25/2009 11:44:38 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Bumpity-bump.


199 posted on 06/25/2009 11:45:30 PM PDT by period end of story (Give me a firm spot, and I will move the world.)
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To: ThePythonicCow

Cow you still around? You’re about to hit 200. Than this thread will self implode.


200 posted on 06/25/2009 11:47:34 PM PDT by VicVega (Join Jihad, get captured by the US and resettled in the best places in the world. I love the USA)
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