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Good-bye [if I can't post my 9/11 troofer garbage to FR, I'm leaving]
self ^ | June 25, 2009 | ThePythonicCow

Posted on 06/25/2009 12:41:23 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow

Good-bye.

A few months ago, I posted some information on bank financial strength. The post was a complex table and it took me sometime to make the post. Not long after, I forget but perhaps 10 or 20 minutes, the post disappeared. Figuring I made a mistake, I posted it again. This time I was pretty sure I posted it correctly. It disappeared within a few minutes. To verify that this was what was happening, I posted a third time. It again disappeared immediately.

I never received any feedback from FreeRepublic on this matter.

It annoyed me, but since I have always trusted FR, and since I have so far as I know maintained a sterling reputation here as a well behaved citizen for the eight or ten years I've been here, I shook my head in confusion and forgot that incident.

Just tonight I posted a more controversial post involving 9/11. It disappeared within minutes (after I had verified that the post succeeded).

Again, no notice public or private, before or after the fact. Just poof.

Good-bye.

I will cancel future monthly FR donations and leave. I cannot support a political discussion and news site which makes seriously intended posts by long standing contributors of good standing just disappear without notice, public or private, before or after.

The SanityIsland.us site, with some Daily Dose images, will remain around likely for one year, then go away without further notice. I may be reached via email at pj@usa.net (yes, I have excellent spam filters.)

Sites have a right to do as they please, but also a responsibility to stand up for the actions they take, at least involving participants acting in good faith. FR apparently is failing to honor this responsibility.

I would ask that in the future removals of posts made in good faith by members in good standing at least be recognized in private messages to the poster after the fact, stating the approximate cause for removal. Even a 'boilerplate' explanation would be better than nothing.

I wish this fine community and the good people here well. This nation is in dire need of honest reporting and discussion.



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To: deks
But there is no ordinary way for the original poster to find that page, unless they stash away private copies of links to each thread they start.

All the original poster sees is poof - gone - no clue. Even folks like me that have been seriously messing with computers for almost a half century first assume that they made some mistake, or that the computer had a glitch.

51 posted on 06/25/2009 1:43:14 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: ThePythonicCow

Well, we all have our opinions, and we all have our instincts about what is fact and what is fiction.

I’ve had a couple posts pulled, mainly due to being an unwelcome source. Not a source that is doing the copyright debate thing, but a source like Rense.

Now I admit I follow Rense. Not because I hold the guy up to be some shining example of widsom or something, because his sources are often shown to be without any credibility.

But it’s sort of a separate the wheat from the chaff thing. I don’t in any sense always AGREE with Rense, but you have to admit he presents alot of different viewpoints about a wide variety of subjects.

After all, everybody here probably feels/knows that the death of the MSM is unavoidable, at least in terms of them being able to force-feed Americans what knowledge/opinions we’re supposed to have at the water cooler tomorrow.

I like alternative news sites. They can inform you, they can entertain you!!
Chuckles aren’t all that easy to come by these days!


52 posted on 06/25/2009 1:43:50 AM PDT by djf (Go tell everybody its calm before the storm Can you hear the distant thunder baby....)
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To: ThePythonicCow
I just looked at that. I read far enough to see "Lew Rockwell". That's another thing that ain't allowed.

By the way, I was not one who hit abuse on the 9/11 thread. I was there after it was pulled.

53 posted on 06/25/2009 1:44:22 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: VicVega
Read 24 lil hitler.

I never liked that show. To each his own.

54 posted on 06/25/2009 1:45:33 AM PDT by period end of story (Give me a firm spot, and I will move the world.)
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To: ThePythonicCow

Here, please allow me to loan you my 3 day rule.

If I am not still upset about something in 3 days, it probably didn’t matter in my life. If I am still upset and there isn’t anything I can do about it, I can learn to live with it..... or move on.

I recommend that you give yourself a 3 day break.


55 posted on 06/25/2009 1:45:53 AM PDT by Gator113 (I live in "one of the largest Muslim countries in the world." Imam Obama told me so.)
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To: ThePythonicCow
John should be able to automate it.

Maybe, but sometimes that sort of thing is much harder than it appears.

Look, either your post should not have been deleted, or you should have been told why it was deleted. You're right, and FR isn't perfect, and tomorrow's another day. Hope you hang around.

56 posted on 06/25/2009 1:46:06 AM PDT by TChad
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To: ThePythonicCow
I am some species of 9/11 truther

I agree with all you say about being informed about the reasons why any of your threads are pulled.

Don't really know much about 9/11 truthers or why I should find out about them, guess I need to get out more, away from the FR website where I get most of my news. Can you like sum up your position on 9/11 in as short a summation as possible and why you feel it necessary to leave FR over it?

57 posted on 06/25/2009 1:48:09 AM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: lentulusgracchus
See my Post #44 above for a link to the more or less exact posting.

It was sourced and linked and explained. Still, there was presumably some reason not yet obvious to me that it didn't belong here.

But I wasted the better part of an additional half hour reposting that one after the first time it disappeared, figuring I must have made a mistake and not actually posted it the first time.

58 posted on 06/25/2009 1:50:07 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: bethybabes69
Nikita Kruschev called the strategy half a century ago:
"We cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism."

“I can prophecy that your grandchildren in America will live under socialism.
Our firm conviction is that sooner or later Capitalism will give way to Socialism. Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you."

“The United States will eventually fly the Communist red flag. The American people will hoist it themselves.”

Nikita Krushchev, July 19, 1962

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59 posted on 06/25/2009 1:50:52 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Hoosier-Daddy
I don't think that would be a good idea ;).

As you can see from the comments above, that post was not proper FR material.

60 posted on 06/25/2009 1:51:41 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: ThePythonicCow
"So by my counting, this post tonight is my first and only strike in 7000 "

I have had posts pulled without a reason being given. Just pffft. But I knew exactly why. I looked it over or checked the source. I never tried to repost. And I certainly know to write to JR if I ever had a problem. I certainly would never make it public on a thread.

So, now, you have gotten everyone to go to you're source material and look at your stuff.

I suppose that was your intent with this thread all along.

Afterall, you're still here.

61 posted on 06/25/2009 1:52:26 AM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: GeronL; ThePythonicCow
I, for one, am not happy to see you go. There seem to be fewer and fewer readily-recognized handles left these days.

Exactly.

Stick around, Cow-- it's like the weather in Kansas...

"Don't like the weather here?
Stick around five minutes-- it'll be different..."

62 posted on 06/25/2009 1:52:26 AM PDT by backhoe (All across America, the Lights are going out...)
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To: backhoe

Should he change his mind then he can rest assured that very few people have seen this thread being in the dead of night


63 posted on 06/25/2009 1:53:50 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <----go there now,----> tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: ThePythonicCow

Music to read my comment by...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCwCBh0z3Hs

Stick around.


64 posted on 06/25/2009 1:53:59 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: ThePythonicCow

Well then, au revoir.


65 posted on 06/25/2009 1:56:30 AM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: GeronL
Should he change his mind then he can rest assured that very few people have seen this thread being in the dead of night

What? It's lunchtime. :)

66 posted on 06/25/2009 1:57:19 AM PDT by Allegra ( Iran Azadi!)
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To: ThePythonicCow

Very interesting chart. Never heard of the Texas ratio.

I looked up my two banks with most of my assets in. USAA and Bank of America. Great to see, based on this ratio, that USAA is strong.

Thanks for the info.


67 posted on 06/25/2009 1:58:43 AM PDT by VicVega (Join Jihad, get captured by the US and resettled in the best places in the world. I love the USA)
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To: whatisthetruth
I won't sum up my 9/11 thoughts here, as I am now more aware than I was an hour ago that my views on that topic are not appropriate here.

I leave FR not because I disagree on this or that topic.

I leave FR because they pull posts from members in good standing without any notice, before or after the fact, public or private, visible to the poster whatsoever.

(There is notice at the orphaned link to the pulled post, but unless someone happens to click through at the right time, they never see that.)

68 posted on 06/25/2009 1:58:50 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: ThePythonicCow
Ah hem, This website and the mods work at the pleasure of JimRob, I would think that most intelligent folks would understand that. If the postings are not to their standards (get a clue, after it was pulled 3x) then perhaps it should not be there.

If this hurt your sensibilities then here is a thought, get over it, or do what your doing..... leave.

Go start your own website and post to your hearts content.

69 posted on 06/25/2009 1:59:18 AM PDT by SERE_DOC (Today's politicians, living proof why we have and need a second amendment to the constitution.)
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To: ThePythonicCow
I think the bank thing was pulled because it came from Lew Rockwell's blog.

I found this from a post asking about why Lew Rockwell stuff is not allowed at FR:

To: dbz77

"Lew Rockwell has not been welcome on FreeRepublic for a long time. Anti war or conspiracy propaganda like antiwar.com, Alex Jones, Prisionplanet.com are not the type of sites we want representing us. If you want to read about black helicopters, chemtrails, trilateral conspiracies, then Google is your friend."

6 posted on Friday, January 16, 2009 2:12:45 PM by Admin Moderator

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Was prison planet where your removed 9-11 article came from?

70 posted on 06/25/2009 1:59:30 AM PDT by icwhatudo (For every clinic bombed or burned, 17 to 18 churches are burned down. MSM? MSM?)
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To: ThePythonicCow

Mooo!! happens.


71 posted on 06/25/2009 2:01:29 AM PDT by period end of story (Give me a firm spot, and I will move the world.)
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To: Allegra

Well, for you maybe


72 posted on 06/25/2009 2:02:03 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <----go there now,----> tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: VicVega

You’ve never heard of the Texas ratio and the big beat?


73 posted on 06/25/2009 2:03:17 AM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: ThePythonicCow
Maybe you'll get a better answer now, to your questions about what happened to it.

Like I said, for a while there, banks were a touchy subject. Someone may have sensed an incipient liability.

74 posted on 06/25/2009 2:03:31 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: GeronL
I demand equal right!

Stop time zone discrimination!

;-)

75 posted on 06/25/2009 2:04:11 AM PDT by Allegra ( Iran Azadi!)
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To: ThePythonicCow
For what it's worth, here is a pretty definitive list of pulled threads and why they were pulled.

76 posted on 06/25/2009 2:04:19 AM PDT by Redcloak ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Redcloak

He had a large stash in the honey pot.


77 posted on 06/25/2009 2:06:11 AM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy
You’ve never heard of the Texas ratio and the big beat?

No, but I have heard the Kansas Coon Asses. Got them on my Ipod.

Yeah, who knew they had coon asses in Kansas.

78 posted on 06/25/2009 2:06:36 AM PDT by VicVega (Join Jihad, get captured by the US and resettled in the best places in the world. I love the USA)
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To: MARTIAL MONK
Ok - so be it. Though in this case, the information didn't seem to be imbued with the usual reasons for rejecting Rockwell, still that's up to FR.

But dad burn it, they should have told me when they pulled it!

Yes - understood - thanks again for report on what you saw.
79 posted on 06/25/2009 2:06:49 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Apparently, from what some other Freeper surmised above, that post was pulled because it came from Lew Rockwell's site.
80 posted on 06/25/2009 2:09:22 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: VicVega
Yeah, who knew they had coon asses in Kansas.

Apparently you did. Who would have guessed?

81 posted on 06/25/2009 2:11:25 AM PDT by period end of story (Give me a firm spot, and I will move the world.)
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To: icwhatudo

You were here in ‘98. You should remember Lew. I can remember him vaguely from that time. Debate was a waste of time. He did not leave nicely.


82 posted on 06/25/2009 2:11:27 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: ThePythonicCow

0.k. I didn’t know that. It’s taken me several years to figure out what portion of Free Republic I know how to use. Although I was once able to help someone who’d been here for several years to find the FR Home page (...there’s no “Home” to click on).

This is turning out to be a nice chatty thread. Maybe you should stay.


83 posted on 06/25/2009 2:12:17 AM PDT by deks (Help prevent the next Ice Age...support global warming.)
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To: Admin Moderator; ThePythonicCow

Cow, did you see this? The mod is trying to help...RD


84 posted on 06/25/2009 2:13:16 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm SO glad I no longer belong to the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: VicVega

Coon Asses? Probably nice tail...


85 posted on 06/25/2009 2:14:21 AM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: icwhatudo
Sonnenfeld, 44, is charged with first-degree murder in the New Year's Day 2002 shooting death of his 36-year-old wife, Nancy, at the couple's home in Congress Park.
The case caused a sensation at the time, with friends describing Nancy as among the city's "beautiful people" and the two as "madly in love."
The charges against Sonnenfeld were dismissed just before trial in June 2002 after a note written by Nancy Sonnenfeld was found that supported Kurt Sonnenfeld's contention that she took her own life.
New charges were filed in 2004, however, after two Denver jail inmates came forward to say Sonnenfeld had confessed to them during his time in custody. By then, Sonnenfeld had remarried and was living in Argentina.
He has been fighting extradition ever since, describing the warrants against him as "a false pretext for other darker motives."

A good reason not to believe (or post) "chicken little" conspiratists...

86 posted on 06/25/2009 2:15:20 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave ("Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: MARTIAL MONK

Neither did that Thompson lawyer from Florida that hated Janet Reno so much. He wanted to sue everyone-lol!


87 posted on 06/25/2009 2:16:16 AM PDT by icwhatudo (For every clinic bombed or burned, 17 to 18 churches are burned down. MSM? MSM?)
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To: ThePythonicCow
I'm curious about your ideas about 9/11. I generally abhor 9/11 truther conspiracies; not because I don't believe that our government is capable of such treachery, but because I've seen NO good evidence and a lot of BS attached to the topic (I've done the reading on the theories, I love a good conspiracy theory). I know that you can't speak of your ideas here, but I'm intrigued when a seemingly thoughtful and long-lived Freeper takes this position.

I agree that JimRob can do whatever he wants with his site, but the moderation is a bit too heavy-handed at times for my tastes. Seems like a lot of good members get thrown under the bus waaaaay too easily.

88 posted on 06/25/2009 2:16:52 AM PDT by thecabal (Hey Obama, when you gonna start sharin' the sacrifice?)
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To: deks; ThePythonicCow
"This is turning out to be a nice chatty thread. Maybe you should stay."

LOL, I agree.

89 posted on 06/25/2009 2:17:11 AM PDT by VicVega (Join Jihad, get captured by the US and resettled in the best places in the world. I love the USA)
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To: bethybabes69
One doesn't even know it was -deleted- by conscious admin decision, as opposed to fat fingered by my old hands, or zapped by some cosmic ray hitting an overheated RAM chip.

Once again ... to repeat myself (sorry). The why is only a secondary issue. Web forums get to choose their own whys and why nots. A simple explanation of why is useful, so one knows where not to waste time composing posts that will only serve to irritate the admins in the future.

But the mere fact that it was intentionally pulled is never visible to the poster (unless they can happen to still have that old post link that no longer exists on any usual FR page.)

90 posted on 06/25/2009 2:17:53 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: ThePythonicCow

Lets keep this thread going PCow. We got to pass a hundred for your good-bye post.


91 posted on 06/25/2009 2:19:40 AM PDT by VicVega (Join Jihad, get captured by the US and resettled in the best places in the world. I love the USA)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Yes, I saw it. Thanks for checking. See my reply to the mod at Post #21.
92 posted on 06/25/2009 2:22:04 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: ThePythonicCow
There's also post 42

To: ThePythonicCow

OK - went back through the records and found it. There were two reported complaints by other freepers asking that the tread be pull because it contained "9/11 truther BS." On inspection moderators agreed and the thread was pulled. The reason a thread is pulled is usually posted at the top of the thread when the the thread is reopened.

The decision of the moderator was agreed to by several others who looked at the content at the time.

Sorry that you are considering leaving. I'd say that you owe yourself the opportunity to communicate with the mods... it is easy you know - and learn why users and mods here have little tolerance for those that spin lies about what happened on 9/11.

NOTE - I personally did not review the post, but I have implicit trust in the people who did.

42 posted on Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:35:55 AM by Admin Moderator

93 posted on 06/25/2009 2:26:17 AM PDT by amom (Proud tanker mom - Remembering Tonk)
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To: icwhatudo
No - my post was pulled for content (or lack thereof ;), nor the source link.

The obscure site it came from (I forget now; see some post above) is probably not on FR's current bad-guys list. However I suspect if I posted enough stuff from that site, it could quickly earn a spot on that coveted list.

94 posted on 06/25/2009 2:27:57 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: ThePythonicCow

I was thinking if you had kept the thread page open after you posted it, and then refreshed it to see any comments added, you probably would have seen the ‘thread pulled/reason given’ page then. That is how I follow threads rather than the real-time “Comments” view.


95 posted on 06/25/2009 2:29:45 AM PDT by deks (Help prevent the next Ice Age...support global warming.)
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To: bethybabes69

I remember when he said this. Not word for word...but I remember....

And it’s here folks.


96 posted on 06/25/2009 2:35:12 AM PDT by LadyPilgrim ((Lifted up was He to die; It is finished was His cry; Hallelujah what a Savior!!!!!! ))
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To: ThePythonicCow

I have not had a thread pulled, but I was just wondering, do the pulled articles still appear in your “Pings” list? I seem to recall clicking on an old article headline in my ping history and being taken to a pulled thread. Even though the article and replies were no longer there, FR apparently kept the reply ping number for the article in my ping history.

If that is still the case, you could then see the reason given for the pulled article by clicking on the link in your own ping history.


97 posted on 06/25/2009 2:36:54 AM PDT by CellPhoneSurfer
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To: ThePythonicCow

98 posted on 06/25/2009 2:38:32 AM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Pro life & Vegan because I respect all life, Republican because our enemies don't respect ours.)
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To: Admin Moderator
As I have stated above, I have no particular gripe about the reason it was pulled. FR gets to call those shots, hopefully with some modicum of visible consistency.

Just tell me it was pulled, perhaps by sending have an automatic private message that contains the no longer publicly visible link to the "This thread has been pulled" page at the time of the pull, stating that said linked thread was pulled.

I honestly don't expect to have a thread or post pulled. Having posted some 7000 FR posts without complaint before my first pull, it just didn't occur to me that was the problem back when I posted that bank-rate thread. I wasted another 30 or 40 minutes reposting that one after it was pulled the first time before convincing myself that the admin was working silently behind my back to erase my labors as soon as I posted them. By which time I was too pissed to trust myself to ask the admin, and went to bed.

Having stuff just disappear without any notice (that is likely to be seen by the poster) is too Draconian.

99 posted on 06/25/2009 2:38:45 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: VicVega
Made it!
100 posted on 06/25/2009 2:39:28 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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