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What Good Can a Handgun Do Against an Army.....?
End The War on Freedom ^ | June 18, 2003 | Bill St. Clair

Posted on 08/10/2009 3:48:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: metmom

Thanks for the link. The article was excellent. It sounds like it was written about 5 yrs after Waco, wich would put it around 1998.


501 posted on 01/18/2012 6:36:35 AM PST by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Kids often rebel against what people try to shove down their throats. At least the ones who can think for themselves do.


502 posted on 01/21/2012 9:35:08 AM PST by dervish (female candidates: the last frontier)
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To: carolinacrazy
ping for later
503 posted on 01/21/2012 5:54:19 PM PST by teenyelliott (Obama warned if he loses the election it could herald a new, painful era of self-reliance)
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To: driftdiver

Why did you dust off an eight and a half year old article to reply to that was six years stale when I found it? lol I don’t remember typing this.


504 posted on 01/22/2012 5:43:09 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: higgmeister

It was linked off another thread and I didnt realize it was so old. Still seemed pertinent to today.


505 posted on 01/22/2012 6:36:04 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

PING


506 posted on 01/31/2012 8:19:38 PM PST by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: Covenantor
Lies. All Lies. The truth?

Many Frenchmen joined the Resistance in 1945. Fashionably kitted out in berets, leather jackets, and carrying all sorts of weapons, they formed the huge army called

Maquis après la Guerre.

Those police, government, and military officials who cooperated with the Boche did not lose their pension or promotion rights after the war. Many of them, too, became fervent anti-NAZIs as soon as the coast was clear.

BTW, The Resistance movements in France, Italy, Greece, and Yugoslavia were heavily Communist and stopped at nothing to damage their royalist or democratic rivals in the resistance against the NAZIs, including tipping off the NAZIs as to their rivals' whereabouts and plans!

507 posted on 02/01/2012 10:27:31 AM PST by Kenny Bunk ((So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

ping


508 posted on 02/06/2012 6:53:35 AM PST by VTenigma
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To: Tucson_AZ

There was a monument to them after the war. They won.This was an isolated pocket of resistance. There were thousands more throughout the country.


509 posted on 02/12/2012 3:15:56 AM PST by Renegade
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To: Chode; All

People need to read Travis McGee’s “Enemies, Foreign & Domestic....W E have all the guns : )


510 posted on 03/07/2012 12:20:16 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
yup... i have TWO signed sets of the Trilogy
511 posted on 03/07/2012 3:06:40 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

Have all, but only EFAD signed, with a short letter. You win : )


512 posted on 03/07/2012 3:12:30 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
i got two sets because i wanted one signed to Chode for my personal library and the other signed to my Christian name as a loaner set...

the second set has been read by six people so far

i as going to get a set for my local library but decided against it as they would either be stolen or damaged as other conservative books have been

513 posted on 03/07/2012 3:35:37 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

” i as going to get a set for my local library but decided against it as they would either be stolen or damaged as other conservative books have been “

Good thinking!


514 posted on 03/07/2012 4:13:58 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: wastedyears

Yes, this has been posted before.

God willing, this will be posted many many many times more, not only through my lifetime, but through the lives of my great-great-great-...-great-grandchildren here in the United States of America and beyond.


515 posted on 03/08/2012 7:10:25 PM PST by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: AFPhys

It won’t matter if nobody is willing to use it.


516 posted on 03/09/2012 4:32:27 AM PST by wastedyears (Signature for sale.)
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To: higgmeister

The last decent, statesman-like politician from Illinois. I got his autograph when I was 12 years old. A great keepsake.


517 posted on 03/18/2012 4:51:41 AM PDT by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.")
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To: john drake
The last decent, statesman-like politician from Illinois. I got his autograph when I was 12 years old. A great keepsake.

Wow, that is wonderful! A great keepsake to hand down to your progeny!

518 posted on 03/19/2012 12:45:03 AM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The will to use it . . .


519 posted on 03/26/2012 8:24:30 PM PDT by tomkat (FU.baraq !)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bump


520 posted on 04/06/2012 10:10:28 AM PDT by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: Tucson_AZ

The Wolverines gave their lives but the fact that they are honored with a plaque at Partisan Rock suggests that in the end their cause prevailed.


521 posted on 04/06/2012 8:37:51 PM PDT by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I'd like to avoid this situation if possible for obvious reasons.

If it DOES hits the fan, and if we are ready if it does, my pistol is a good tool to get to a rifle, and good for an ambush in plain sight. It's weakness is range and noise compared to a crossbow, bow, or knife.

The most important thing is logistics. Know the land. Know the opposition. Know the support.

522 posted on 04/12/2012 9:22:07 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Time for brokered convention)
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To: Darren McCarty

BLOAT


523 posted on 04/12/2012 9:27:54 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: Teotwawki

ping


524 posted on 04/13/2012 11:35:52 PM PDT by Teotwawki (To Him be the glory throughout all generations.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t think we have much to worry about from the current, existing armed forces when you consider military demographics, especially the make up of the combat units.


525 posted on 04/24/2012 6:21:44 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: Aetius

I left the Army a long time ago, but our units and sections(military intelligence) and the combat arms units that I’ve been to were pretty sparse, other than Asians. OTOH, signal, supply, motorpool, laundry & bath, and clerical were sometimes the other way around.


526 posted on 04/24/2012 6:40:15 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I didn’t serve, but from what I understand the combat units are disproportionately white, especially as compared to the overall population aged 18-35. I would think this group is also largely from non-urban areas.

In other words, I would think most come from a conservative background that respects things like the Second Amendment. So I would just have a hard time seeing the existing military turn on the population in the service of a tyrant.


527 posted on 04/24/2012 6:55:19 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: Aetius

The Green Berets, Rangers, SEALs, Force Recon, Para-rescue, etc. are very, very white, IIRC. Don’t have any idea why.


528 posted on 04/24/2012 7:00:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: Billthedrill

Do you know how many LEO and military would side against the government depending on the circumstances? The ones that would wish to turn LEO and/or military against the citizens don’t know the answer to that question either. That alone will give anyone planning such a thing a reason to pause.

The military is not a bunch of programmed robots, they are just like the non-military, for every issue there will be those that agree and those that don’t. Each one of them has a line that they will draw in the sand, that line is different from person to person just as it is for civilians. If our leadership attempts to use the military against citizens some will follow the leadership and do whatever they are asked to do. Some will leave the miltary and fight for the civilians. Some will figure out how to get some of the weapons and other supplies to the civilians as well. No one can possibly know how many will do what unless/until we reach that point. The not knowing how many will do what is a big problem for anyone wanting to use the military against citizens.


529 posted on 04/24/2012 9:03:09 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: MountainDad
In the very early seventies,being an infantryman,training involved riot control.With Woodstock,hippies and all that,it was not uncommon to be trained to hate these anti Americans, and prior to any ]New Studies],there were many soldiers that would not hesitate to open fire on there own countrymen. My take is that after many family members who were killed,will have a very profound impact on the soldiers whose families were decimated from their own fire. It is a very slippery slope.God bless them all!!!!
530 posted on 05/27/2012 1:04:29 PM PDT by xarmydog
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To: rbg81

[...all the rules & squeemishness regarding collateral damage will go out the window.”

You’re damned twilly! Their problem is. any thoughts of squeamishness on our part will have long since evaporated!

I cornered pitbull causes many wounds...


532 posted on 07/03/2012 10:46:27 PM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Rules for Liberals and Libertines:

Defeat your enemies while they are young.

- Do in the public schools.
- Begin with a "Head Start" program.
- Teachers are your propagandizers.

Neutralize the parent/caretakers.

- Do that with healthcare.
- Make it expensive.
- Make it pay well, medics are your helpers.

Control colleges and military

- Fill them with religious gays and atheists
- Supply contraceptives free.
- Train them to kill without conscience.

Top off the old guys.

- Take away their guns.
.(They're not afraid of dying.)
- It's too late for them to change.

533 posted on 07/04/2012 3:11:11 AM PDT by imardmd1 (A prayer.."Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow." Ps. 109:9)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ancient BUMP


534 posted on 07/22/2012 11:44:56 PM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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Dusty bump


535 posted on 07/26/2012 5:13:27 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: DMZFrank

maximum effective range was only about 25 feet (less than 8 m). At longer range, the bullet would begin to tumble. ............................. We need to drop something similar to these in Iran. Forget the fp-45, its cheaper to send High Point pistols with a greater clip capacity than these pocket derringer type. The cost of producing FP-45s has gone up, the replicas are expensive as hell. Heck I’m sure the freedom loving Iranians would take even a Jiminez, Raven or Jennings and be grateful to have it.


536 posted on 08/08/2012 5:22:52 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft ( WHO WE ELECT AS PRESIDENT IS NOT AS IMPORTANT AS WHO THEY APPOINT.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“The Left has controlled the schools (at all levels) since at least the 1960’s. Almost everyone that goes into the military comes out of the public school system. I graduated high school in 1978, so I wasn’t nearly as indoctrinated as the kids today, although I saw signs of it in the 70’s, with the “stop pollution” and “save the whales” jazz.”

I graduated in 1973, enlisted the same year. Retired in 1997, after 24 years on active duty in the USAF. At the end, I was (among other things)teaching “Law of Armed Combat” (LOAC) or what they used to call the Laws of War. We did a fair amount of time on the duty to disobey unlawful orders.

I'm still in touch with people on active duty, as my particular ward is the one for Tinker AFB, and I'm not seeing any evidence that the current force is all that sissified. Not just USAF, either, as we've got Navy folks here, too. Got a couple of cousins still in the Army, as well. Not hearing anything from them that would make me doubt them, either.

That said, I expect that you will find, in any military anywhere, folks who will go along with unlawful orders. I'd expect that to be much less than half, but possibly as many as a third, but that is just my opinion, and you know that they say about opinions...

Old Student
WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)

537 posted on 08/19/2012 1:59:20 PM PDT by Old Student (Do NOT make me get out the torches and pitchforks...)
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To: Old Student

538 posted on 09/03/2012 2:55:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: All; stephenjohnbanker; Chode; Renegade

For self-defense: .22 beats .45
http://www.wnd.com/wnd_video/for-self-defense-22-beats-45/


539 posted on 09/04/2012 12:25:32 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
valid points all...
540 posted on 09/04/2012 5:01:35 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: chris37

Bookmark


541 posted on 10/06/2012 8:21:47 PM PDT by southland (" Newt / West 2012 will pull through!")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Remember the all green ‘ecology’ flag in the late ‘60’s and the rainbow stickers in the early ‘70’s. Those were precursors to ‘Agenda 21’ and LGBT..


542 posted on 10/08/2012 5:06:52 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

That’s probably what that new underground structure is at the White House. A place for 0bama to hide when the military comes for him. Or a place to go when Romney is declared the winner. We will LITERALLY have a shadow gov’t underneath the White House. LOL


543 posted on 10/08/2012 5:12:33 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I was sure this had been posted before, but couldn’t find it. Seems to have been written during the Clinton administration. It needs to be re-read form time-to-time.
1 posted on Monday, August 10, 2009 6:48:31 PM by 2ndDivisionVet

BTTT....................


544 posted on 10/21/2012 9:57:35 AM PDT by litehaus (A memory tooooo long)
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To: chris37
My gun puts me in charge of my fate.

Or the fate of a country.

There's a uniform that's hanging
In what's known as Father's room
A uniform so simple in it's style
It has no braid of gold or silk
no hat with feathered plumes
Yet Mother has preserved it all the while
One day she made me try it on
a wish of mine for years
"In memory of your father, Sean" she said.
And when I put the Sam Browne on
she was smiling with the tears
As she placed the broad black brimmer on my head.

Chorus:
It's just a broad black brimmer
With its ribbons frayed and torn
By the careless whisk of many a mountain breeze
An old trench coat that's battle stained and worn
And breeches almost threadbare at the knees
A Sam Browne belt, with a buckle big and strong
A holster that's been empty many a day... but not for long!
And when men claim Ireland's freedom
The one they'll choose to lead 'em
Will wear the broad black brimmer of the IRA

It was the uniform been worn by my father years ago
When he reached me mother's homestead on the run
It was the uniform me father wore
in that little church below
When oul' Father Mac he blessed the pair as one
And after Truce and Treaty and the parting of the ways
He wore it when he marched out with the rest
And when they bore his body down the rugged heather braes
They placed the broad black brimmer on his breast

545 posted on 10/21/2012 4:27:07 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Revival 2012!


546 posted on 11/01/2012 7:03:19 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
WOW!!!

That is wonderful!!!

BOOKMARKED both here and in my flimsey memory!!!

547 posted on 11/03/2012 5:19:46 PM PDT by SierraWasp ("The New Normal," is FAR from any normality!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; dixiechick2000; AuntB; Grampa Dave; tubebender

Far more “priceless” than my MasterCard!!!


548 posted on 11/03/2012 5:24:19 PM PDT by SierraWasp ("The New Normal," is FAR from any normality!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

If we could get this out to every Tea Party member, veteran, fiscal and social conservative the problems we have might solve themselves.


549 posted on 11/11/2012 1:55:36 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Covenantor

Bump


550 posted on 12/08/2012 12:43:35 PM PST by Track9 (The MSM needs a laugh track)
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