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Ridding Ourselves of Obama
Right Side News ^ | July 18, 2010 | Alan Caruba

Posted on 07/19/2010 5:31:07 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

"The hope that fired up the election of Barack Obama has flickered out, leaving a national mood of despair and disappointment. Americans are dispirited over how wrong things are and uncertain they can be made right again. Hope may have been a quick breakfast, but it has proved a poor supper." -- Mortimer Zuckerman, Editor-in-Chief, US News & World Report, July 2, 2010

This from a man who on Fox News recently said he voted for Obama, his newspaper, the New York Daily News, endorsed Obama, and that he even helped one of his speeches!

The problem is an ancient one. How to remove from office a king or, in a republic, an elected leader who has broken the law and/or is perceived to be a threat to both the present and future of the nation? In earlier eras, the solution was usually bloody.

"Who will rid me of this meddling priest?" England's King Henry II was reputed to have said of Thomas Becket, the Archbishop of Canterbury. In 1170, his complaint was obliged when Becket was murdered on a cold December evening.

I cite this famous quote only because the tide is rising among Americans who would be rid of Barack Obama. I would never suggest or condone the sword, but surely one would think we the People might have recourse to the courts or Congress.

The fear in both the courts and Congress is the torturous process involved and, of course, the outcome.

Twice in our history, impeachment has been tried and failed, first with Andrew Johnson whose Reconstruction policies following the Civil War were in much disfavor and, in more recent times, with Bill Clinton whose perjuries and other problems were not deemed to rise to a level worthy of removing him from office. Richard Nixon resigned before he could be impeached.

The Constitution stipulates that "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

The drawback of impeachment is the way it would inevitably cast Obama as the victim of predatory politicians. It is not a good choice.

Presumably, lying about one's eligibility to hold the office of President and spending huge sums to ensure that one's birth certificate and actual place of birth shall remain unknown would justify removal.

We all know by now that, constitutionally, only a "natural born" citizen may serve as President. His father was a British citizen and both parents must be American to qualify as natural born. We all know that considerable controversy exists as regards the birthplace and citizenship status of Obama. Was he a Kenyan? Was he an Indonesian citizen at one point?

The enduring question on the minds of many is why the court cases filed to get at the facts regarding his eligibility have encountered so much resistance? Surely this is a matter of major national concern. What nation would permit an imposter to serve in its highest office?

Alas, early cases were dismissed when those bringing them were deemed to have no "standing" before the court though one might think the lowliest citizen should have standing.

As wrenching as the process of removing Obama from office via the judicial process might be deemed, there is no legitimate reason not to proceed.

There appears to be no evidence his birth was registered with the American embassy or consulate in Kenya. I have seen a photo of a document said to be his Kenyan birth certificate. Having no way to authenticate it, I am reluctant to pass judgment.

The birth certificate from Hawaii, offered during the 2008 campaign, is said to be one issued upon request as opposed to the "long form" issued for those actually born there. There was some question raised at the time as to its authenticity with allegations that it was photoshopped. There is a question whether a long form certificate exists.

My personal view is that many in government fear the consequences of removing even an illegitimate President from office, given that it would require that all legislation signed into law and all executive orders issued by him would be rendered invalid. I suspect some fear that chaos more than waiting and hoping the electoral process will end his term in 2012.

My problem is that the nation must endure some 900 more days of the malevolence or sheer incompetence he will initiate; including a lame duck session of Congress following the midterm elections that would impose Cap-and-Trade, card check, and other legislative abominations.

A large majority of the electorate presently wants Obamacare repealed and will likely feel the same about the alleged financial "reforms."

There are constitutional scholars who know far more about such things than me, but I confess to remaining baffled by the failure to attend to the critical question regarding the right of Barack Hussein Obama to be the President of the United States.


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1 posted on 07/19/2010 5:31:09 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The drawback of impeachment is the way it would inevitably cast Obama as the victim of predatory politicians. It is not a good choice.

Not electing him to a 3rd term will also be considered predatory politics, regardless of the 22nd Amendment. The dumb ones will hate us for life!

2 posted on 07/19/2010 5:36:53 PM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Too late, Mort. Your likeness is forever tattooed on Obama’s scrawny backside.


3 posted on 07/19/2010 5:38:09 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We should be focused on voting this joker out of office in a democratic election, not this idiotic birther nonsense.


4 posted on 07/19/2010 5:40:00 PM PDT by Kleon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Excellent post!!


5 posted on 07/19/2010 5:41:59 PM PDT by Empireoftheatom48 (Zero will never be my President, never!!!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
There are constitutional scholars who know far more about such things than me, but I confess to remaining baffled by the failure to attend to the critical question regarding the right of Barack Hussein Obama to be the President of the United States.

Indeed. I think that the good doctor speaks for us all.

6 posted on 07/19/2010 5:42:50 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“I confess to remaining baffled by the failure to attend to the critical question regarding the right of Barack Hussein Obama to be the President of the United States.”

You and me both, buckaroo.


7 posted on 07/19/2010 5:43:16 PM PDT by pingman (Price is what you pay, value is what you get.)
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To: Kleon
We should be focused on voting this joker out of office in a democratic election,...

Isn't that a racist statement?

Or at least a half racist statement?

8 posted on 07/19/2010 5:44:48 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Give it up, he is here for many years. King Obama will be our first dictator. Half way there now.
9 posted on 07/19/2010 5:45:50 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"The hope that fired up the election of Barack Obama has flickered out, leaving a national mood of despair and disappointment. Americans are dispirited over how wrong things are and uncertain they can be made right again. Hope may have been a quick breakfast, but it has proved a poor supper."

People looked to a personality when they ought to have been looking at characater and principles.

You can't just look at the make and model of the car, it rather matters which way the car is pointed.

As any number of us have noted, the biggest problem isn't the man in the White House, though, so much as the 51 percent of Americans who thought he was the cat's meow. Impeach him, remove him, and I'll be smiling but the 51% are going to elect another fool just like him if they haven't learned anything other than the fact that he was the wrong fool.

We don't teach the founding principles anywhere anymore, and every year we graduate another wave of new voters who haven't got a clue where freedom comes from or what its good for. They don't understand rule of law and they don't understand cause and effect when it comes to economics. They elected Obama because he told them what they wanted to believe and even once we've removed him they will still want to believe it. We've got to win the battle for the White House, true enough, but we've got to win the war of ideas too or two years from now we're going to be right back where we are now, different face at the White House, but same tom-foolery.

10 posted on 07/19/2010 5:46:18 PM PDT by marron
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To: Logical me

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


11 posted on 07/19/2010 5:54:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Soapbox & Ballot Box or Ammo Box.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Good article. If they do not remove him you can kiss the USA goodbye. Enabled by idiots who watch TV as TV is 110% behind him.

Mort Zuckerman is a lib idiot s*it, BUT....he knows O will wipe out the working class, middle class and upper middle class. These people are Zuckerman’s customers. Mort is a businessman and he knows business will NOT NOT hire people as long as Hussein is in charge.

Zuckerman is realizing that Atlas Effing SHRUGGED on election night in 2008. Zuckerman knows if it is not removed by impeachment or BC then it is ALL over. Kiss the USA goodbye enabled by idiots who watch TV.

The Zuckermans or other billionaires may be his downfall.

I bitch about boycotting TV forever, not watching Hollywood movies, boycotting the lib media, newspapers and magazines because unless you hit them HARD in the pocketbook - they will not dump the marxist.

BTW - Fox/Saudia is not our friend.


12 posted on 07/19/2010 5:55:56 PM PDT by Frantzie (Democrats = Party of I*lam)
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To: Kleon

Nonsense. 2012 will be too late. Also who says there will be a democratc election in 2010 or 2012. He controls the media, internet, healthcare, banks and financial services, most of the auto industry and soon the energy industry.

I guess Germans thought they would get a chance to vote Hitler out or Venezuelans never expected Carter to back the election Chavez stole.

Wake up.


13 posted on 07/19/2010 5:59:40 PM PDT by Frantzie (Democrats = Party of I*lam)
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To: Frantzie
Venezuelans never expected Carter to back the election Chavez stole.

I know Venezuelans who were completely taken aback by that, mystified, they simply couldn't compute the notion that Carter would side with Chavez.

I tried to explain the real Carter but his betrayal really wounded them to the core, they really didn't see it coming.

14 posted on 07/19/2010 6:05:21 PM PDT by marron
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

15 posted on 07/19/2010 6:05:25 PM PDT by gunnyg (Surrounded By The Enemy Within--~ Our "Novembers" Are Behind Us...If Ya Can Grok That!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hope is exactly what we need. The problem isn't that Hope failed us. It's that the leftist impostors and liars have hijacked and gutted meaningful words that reflect our values and turned those words into meaningless gibberish, as George Orwell's 1984 prophesied.

Because the megaphones are in the hands of the leftist impostors and liars, the twisted applications of these words get repeated by everyone including true conservatives unwittingly playing into the quicksand of creating a valueless society - just what the leftists want.

Lying title: "Stimulus" – True title: “Government take over.” An economic wrecking ball and crane.
Lying title: "Liberal" – True title: “Vile” (Isaiah 32:5). True title II: "Tyrant."
Lying title: "ObamaCare" – True title: "ObamaScarcity." True title II: "Socialist Death to the Masses."
Lying title: "Obama’s ‘Hope'" - True title: "Obama’s Power Grab Extinguishing Hope."

Can we quit calling things what aren’t and quit agreeing with the leftists in word if not in deed?

16 posted on 07/19/2010 6:09:29 PM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: gunnyg
I'm sure this wasn't meant, but this looks like a torn-up American flag.

Not encouraging.

17 posted on 07/19/2010 6:12:39 PM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: Frantzie

Do Americans want to rid ourselves of this mess? Gallup poll today still shows him with an approval of 49. Low but still way too strong considering the disaster this presidency has been and the corruption among him and other Dems. In state after state his approval rating is still very high, including states like CA where the economy is going down the drain. People still somehow think he is on their side. I guess it’s going to take a lot more until a majority get hit over the head with reality. By that time it could be too late.


18 posted on 07/19/2010 6:13:20 PM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
but I confess to remaining baffled by the failure to attend to the critical question regarding the right of Barack Hussein Obama to be the President of the United States.
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I am baffled by the neglect of Rush Limbaugh and the other so-called “conservative” talk show host to bring attention to the problem. I am more than “baffled”. I hold them in contempt. I am disgusted.

If these guys and gals can't defend the Constitution ( ALL of it, even that itty bitty phrase about being natural born) in the face of a little ridicule from the mainstream media, why on earth would we expect them to defend the Constitution in the face of real tyranny, jack boots at the door, and gas ovens in the concentration camps going full-blast?

These so-called conservative yappers are phonies and cowards. If tyranny comes to America they will either sell their talents to the fascist oligarchy or snivel in a corner.

19 posted on 07/19/2010 6:15:42 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Logical me
Give it up, he is here for many years. King Obama will be our first dictator. Half way there now.

He's not my king. I have a choice to refuse his authority.

I think there are plenty who are ready to die if necessary for their freedom. Sorry you're not one of them.

20 posted on 07/19/2010 6:16:09 PM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: Kleon
We should be focused on voting this joker out of office

You still think voting matters??? ACORN,,,the new voting machine!.............all the dead can vote!

21 posted on 07/19/2010 6:17:26 PM PDT by MrPiper
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To: Frantzie
BTW - Fox/Saudia is not our friend.
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We canceled cable and disconnected the TV **years** ago. The only time we see Fox is when we travel. Even then it is rare, since WiFi is widely available and then we watch Hulu.

22 posted on 07/19/2010 6:20:58 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We need to rid ourselves not only of him but also of the Ruling Class that put him in place and keeps him in place even though they all know that he is a Usurper.


23 posted on 07/19/2010 6:24:54 PM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Jim 0216

Not to me it doesn’t—ya sees with what you look with...


24 posted on 07/19/2010 6:28:35 PM PDT by gunnyg (Surrounded By The Enemy Within--~ Our "Novembers" Are Behind Us...If Ya Can Grok That!)
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To: gunnyg
To me it looks semitransparent with half of the flag torn away.

What does it look like to you?

25 posted on 07/19/2010 6:30:53 PM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: Kleon
We should be focused on voting this joker out of office in a democratic election, not this idiotic birther nonsense.

And you frequent political sites???

Think! If that idiotic birther nonsense wins the political fall out for the democrat party perpetrating the greatest fraud on the American people in political history decimates the party on a grander scale than any tarnish Watergate left the Republicans in for decades....and that is just the beginning! Nothing signed by him is legal...his vice president can not take his place nor can Pelosi since she knew.

You now have a part of the democrat party that just might fall behind the birther nonsense to get rid of the communist part of the party that has taken over and pushed the good ol boys out of running the show...the fun of just watching the show would be worth it.

26 posted on 07/19/2010 6:31:46 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: Jim 0216

...the old blended with the new...

Semper Fidelis
Gunny G
aka:
Dick Gaines
**********


27 posted on 07/19/2010 6:32:43 PM PDT by gunnyg (Surrounded By The Enemy Within--~ Our "Novembers" Are Behind Us...If Ya Can Grok That!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How do we rid ourselves of the 52% of Americans that voted for him? The unbelievably stupid people will be voting again. That is the real problem.


28 posted on 07/19/2010 6:34:52 PM PDT by listenhillary (November is just the first step! If we falter after that step, the win will mean nothing.)
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To: Kleon

Yeah, the Constitution is pointless and meaningless, you are so right.

So what if he’s ineligible or not even a citizen?

The Constituion was written by dead white men who were slaveholders so it means nothing now.


29 posted on 07/19/2010 6:40:12 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Lady Heron
democrat party perpetrating the greatest fraud on the American people in political history decimates the party on a grander scale than any tarnish Watergate left the Republicans in for decades

The biggest scam in history was the coup when LBJ killed JFK. The lies told then are the foundation that put Obama in the White House (if you can pull of that scam then Obama was easy by comparison).

Americans are brain dead fools.

30 posted on 07/19/2010 6:41:01 PM PDT by politicianslie (A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders)
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To: King Moonracer

I haven’t heard the fat broad burst into song yet—hang in there/endure till the end....


31 posted on 07/19/2010 6:45:28 PM PDT by gunnyg (Surrounded By The Enemy Within--~ Our "Novembers" Are Behind Us...If Ya Can Grok That!)
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To: Kleon

“The Court observes that the President defeated seven opponents in a grueling campaign for his party’s nomination that lasted more than eighteen months and cost those opponents well over $300 million. Then the President faced a formidable opponent in the general election who received $84 million to conduct his general election campaign against the President. It would appear that ample opportunity existed for discovery of evidence that would support any contention that the President was not eligible for the office he sought. Furthermore, Congress is apparently satisfied that the President is qualified to serve. Congress has not instituted impeachment proceedings, and in fact, the House of Representatives in a broad bipartisan manner has rejected the suggestion that the President is not eligible for office. See H.R. Res. 593, 111th Cong. (2009) (commemorating, by vote of 378-0, the 50th anniversary of Hawaii’s statehood and stating, ‘the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961’).“—US District Court Judge for the Central District of Georgia Clay D. Land in dismissing Rhodes v. MacDonald et. al., September 16, 2009


32 posted on 07/19/2010 6:51:45 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: Logical me

Wanna bet, bucko?

I’m not throwing in the towel just yet.


33 posted on 07/19/2010 6:56:55 PM PDT by RockinRight (I can see November from here!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The posters who claim the Obama eligibility issue as idiotic and a non-issue are the idiots.


34 posted on 07/19/2010 6:59:50 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Logical me
Give it up, he is here for many years. King Obama will be our first dictator. Half way there now.

Half way of "many years" - huh? And king dictator?

It's going to be a short 'dictatorship'.

35 posted on 07/19/2010 7:03:29 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: jamese777

Explain the TWO Documents of Certification that Nancy Pelosi and Alice Travis Germond are responsible for....

‘Splain that....why were TWO used unless something FRAUDULENT was being perpetrated on voters??


36 posted on 07/19/2010 7:03:46 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Mortrey

jamese777 is an idiot democrat poster. It can’t explain it. it obfuscates and BS’es.


37 posted on 07/19/2010 7:08:05 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

I thought I smelled a troll....


38 posted on 07/19/2010 7:12:36 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: skeeter
Too late, Mort. Your likeness is forever tattooed on Obama’s scrawny backside.

His likeness or his lip prints?

39 posted on 07/19/2010 7:13:54 PM PDT by TheOldLady (Pablo is very wily.)
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To: gunnyg

That’s gorgeous.


40 posted on 07/19/2010 7:17:40 PM PDT by TheOldLady (Pablo is very wily.)
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To: wintertime

Being allergic to lies, I literally threw my TV in a dumpster in 1973 and never looked back. I never watch TV, and I almost never say “never.”


41 posted on 07/19/2010 7:21:50 PM PDT by TheOldLady (Pablo is very wily.)
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To: gunnyg

Please post a link if you know where that actual flag design can be bought, I must have one!

If you made it then you might have started something thats IMHO absolutely awesome, thanks.


42 posted on 07/19/2010 7:34:20 PM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: Logical me

You like to wave the white flag and surrender early, I see.


43 posted on 07/19/2010 7:44:20 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: TheOldLady
Being allergic to lies, I literally threw my TV in a dumpster in 1973 and never looked back. I never watch TV, and I almost never say “never.”

For someone who almost never says never...

44 posted on 07/19/2010 7:53:58 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Tex-Con-Man

LOL! Really, almost never.


45 posted on 07/19/2010 8:01:17 PM PDT by TheOldLady (Pablo is very wily.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

After Obama IS removed so will all the incorrect history books stating that he was an eligible President.

I for one will gladly spend my remaining days on earth happily correcting my children, their children and henceforth that Obama was never legally qualified to be President of the United States.

When my great grandchildren come to visit me I will tell them it was all a lie in the books their teachers give them about Obama.

To my final last breath on earth I will never acknowledge Obama as a President, he failed to qualify, and he won’t defend the allegations either.


46 posted on 07/19/2010 8:11:49 PM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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47 posted on 07/19/2010 8:13:37 PM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Impeachment is for real Presidents, those Constitutionally eligible to serve in the office.

Impeachment is for an Andrew Johnson or a William Jefferson Clinton.


48 posted on 07/19/2010 8:16:18 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: Mortrey

Explain the TWO Documents of Certification that Nancy Pelosi and Alice Travis Germond are responsible for....

‘Splain that....why were TWO used unless something FRAUDULENT was being perpetrated on voters??


I’m afraid that I can’t explain Nancy Pelosi’s actions but I do find it strange that if fraud was committed, why hasn’t there been a grand jury investigation of a fraud charge? Every attmept to find Obama ineligible has been a civil lawsuit and no one has charged anyone with a criminal act.

Wouldn’t explaining Pelosi’s motivations be the job of the more than 70 plaintiffs’ lawyers who have submitted legal briefs to local, state, federal, appeals, and Supreme Court of the United States Justices?

I do believe that it is the job of the Chief Election official in each state plus the District of Columbia (usually the Secretary of State) to enforce that state’s election laws and each state has different requirements and different forms to be used to qualify for the ballot.

For example in Arizona Obama had to sign a statement that he is a natural born citizen. Here’s a link to a copy of that statement: http://moniquemonicat.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/arizona-election-nomination-papers-barack-obama-signed-statement-he-is-a-natural-born-citizen2.pdf


49 posted on 07/19/2010 8:24:11 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: jamese777

“(usually the Secretary of State) to enforce that state’s election laws”.....

My God, man!
Aren’t you aware of Soros’ PURCHASE of the Secretaries of State???!!!

http://spectator.org/archives/2009/12/04/soros-eyes-secretaries


50 posted on 07/19/2010 8:47:19 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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