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How the Worst President Ever Ended Up on a Controverisal New Coin (James Buchanan)
AOL News ^ | 8-19-2010 | Alex Eichler

Posted on 08/21/2010 7:17:45 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo

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To: Colonel Kangaroo
If it wasn't nailed down Lee and the Confederates stole it.

That's an impressive list of stolen goods and livestock, colonel. It must be incomplete, though. Surely those rascally Rebs ransacked every home that they encountered and made off with the silverware, furniture, any personal items of value and then torched the house when their looting was complete.

Dig deeper. I'm sure that you can find some revisionist history to support your equivalency efforts.

1,321 posted on 09/07/2010 5:33:14 AM PDT by cowboyway (Molon labe)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
You must have missed my oft posted account of the heroes' welcome Sherman's troops received when they arrived in Red Clay, Georgia.

Meaningless. The French welcomed the Nazi's in WWII. By your definition, the Nazi's were liberators.

I don't know about you, but part of my family was in Sherman's path

The majority of my family was from Goldsboro, NC. Look it up.

1,322 posted on 09/07/2010 5:44:25 AM PDT by cowboyway (Molon labe)
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To: mstar

Thank you! Great post...


1,323 posted on 09/07/2010 7:20:41 AM PDT by Idabilly ("When injustice becomes law....Resistance becomes DUTY !")
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To: cowboyway

Why do you think Lee went into PA if not to live on stolen Yankee private property?


1,324 posted on 09/07/2010 11:59:49 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: rustbucket

Sherman was indeed rougher on SC, history says that the march was much less harsh once the army entered North Carolina. There was a lot more hostility against South Carolina than there was against North Carolina or Georgia. Given that it was South Carolina that started the secession madness, I can say I understand the hostile sentiment. A lot of Southerners of the time didn’t like SC very much either.


1,325 posted on 09/07/2010 12:04:53 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: cowboyway
The majority of my family was from Goldsboro, NC. Look it up.

Very fortunate for them. That meant that they were not in the path of Gatewood's Confederate Partisan Rangers.

1,326 posted on 09/07/2010 12:07:23 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
A lot of Southerners of the time didn’t like SC very much either.

Right, because you say so. Go ahead give us a quote on that.

1,327 posted on 09/07/2010 12:23:20 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Why do you think Lee went into PA if not to live on stolen Yankee private property?

Lee's objective was military. General Lee's objective was to induce the Union Army to disperse across a broad front along the Mason-Dixon line, and then, by maneuver, draw it to a point far from its base of supply where it could be attacked and beaten in detail.

You keep trying to establish some pathetic moral equivalency for your Uncle Billy, but it ain't gonna work, pal.

Lee only took items to sustain an army in the field. Look at it as a down payment for the grand larceny the yankees inflicted on the South.

1,328 posted on 09/07/2010 12:52:25 PM PDT by cowboyway (Molon labe)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
That meant that they were not in the path of Gatewood's Confederate Partisan Rangers.

Gatewood was a boy scout compared to your murderous hero's from the north.

1,329 posted on 09/07/2010 1:18:37 PM PDT by cowboyway (Molon labe)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
That meant that they were not in the path of Gatewood's Confederate Partisan Rangers.

You've been stretching the truth again, colonel.

Gatewood wasn't a Partisan Ranger. Mosby was a Partisan Ranger. Ashby was a Partisan Ranger. Gatewood wasn't any part of the Confederate Army at all and actually refused to take any orders from Confederate officers. Hell, he didn't start operating his gang until August 1864!

He was nothing but an outlaw just like the union sympathizing Long/Roberts gang from that same area.

1,330 posted on 09/07/2010 2:39:34 PM PDT by cowboyway (Molon labe)
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To: cowboyway
General Lee's objective was to induce the Union Army to disperse across a broad front along the Mason-Dixon line, and then, by maneuver, draw it to a point far from its base of supply where it could be attacked and beaten in detail.

Then he really messed that plan up. How do you explain Pickett's Charge? It seems only you and General Longstreet believed that fable.

Here's a more accurate description of the raid from somebody as close to the top as possible, General Lee himself in his post campaign report:

"It had not been intended to deliver a general battle so far from our base unless attacked."

Why did he travel then if not to fight an engagement unless under narrow and favorable circumstances? Maybe Lee wanted his boys to see a little more of the world, just a tourist excursion and educational expedition.

Lee lost his head at Gettysburg but the #1 mission of the raid was taking Yankee supplies, why else would he have sent Ewell so far away from the rest of the army? That does not sound like the move of a general who has fighting, not foraging, on the top of the list.

1,331 posted on 09/07/2010 4:59:29 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: cowboyway

Long and Roberts were free lancers, Gatewood got his start under Southern hero and noble Confederate warrior Champ Ferguson who very definitely in rebel employ. The rebs let the criminal element loose on the South with their partisan ranger act. It’s rather striking the way y’all try to connect every criminal act with 100 of miles of Sherman to the general himself, but you ignore the mayhem loosed upon Dixie by the actions of that glorified criminal gang of slave traders, the Confederate “legislature”.


1,332 posted on 09/07/2010 5:06:09 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: central_va

I’ll try to find you the quote from the South Georgia citizen who told Union soldiers that he hoped the Yankees would make a real mess of the home of secession. A lot of Southerners, even some who later joined the reb cause like Lee, thought that SC was stupid and reckless to the point of madness.


1,333 posted on 09/07/2010 5:09:21 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: USMCPOP

LOL


1,334 posted on 09/08/2010 4:42:40 AM PDT by Impy (DROP. OUT. MARK. KIRK.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Lee lost his head at Gettysburg but the #1 mission of the raid was taking Yankee supplies

Revisionism. Doesn't deserve a reply.

1,335 posted on 09/08/2010 5:19:47 AM PDT by cowboyway (Molon labe)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Long and Roberts were free lancers,

So was Gatewood.

BTW, are you as equally disgusted by Long/Robert's murderous activities as you are Gatewood's or are Long/Robert's murder and plundering righteous because they were union scum like your Uncle Billy?

Gatewood got his start under Southern hero and noble Confederate warrior Champ Ferguson

It's 'claimed' that he rode with Ferguson for about a year. I could find no proof. Gatewood may have made it up.

every criminal act with 100 of miles of Sherman to the general himself

And why shouldn't Shermy get the blame? Wasn't he the 'total war' general? Wasn't it he who said that he would 'make the South howl'?

but you ignore the mayhem loosed upon Dixie by the actions of that glorified criminal gang of slave traders, the Confederate “legislature”.

I'll take Southern legislaturers over yankee tyrannists any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

BTW, what yankee state are you from? You're a transplant, right?

1,336 posted on 09/08/2010 5:31:34 AM PDT by cowboyway (Molon labe)
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To: cowboyway
BTW, are you as equally disgusted by Long/Robert's murderous activities as you are Gatewood's or are Long/Robert's murder and plundering righteous because they were union scum like your Uncle Billy?

Atrocities are evil no matter which side does it. I'm not sure I'd call Sherman scum without calling people like General Wheeler scum also. Like I pointed out above, Sherman's reaction to the rape report and Wheeler's cavalier attitude to an obviously likely nearby murder in progress both fall short of what we would like to see out of our military. But while I wouldn't disagree with the idea that sometimes leaders like Sherman and Wheeler could have done a better job in the heat of warfare, I'm not sure that makes them scum.

1,337 posted on 09/09/2010 12:26:58 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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