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Reviewing Glenn Beck's "Zot!"
Quality Control ^ | Nov. 21 2010 | TakingThePowerBack

Posted on 11/21/2010 8:06:30 PM PST by TakingThePowerBack

Dear Glenn Beck,

I recently read the free Kindle sample of Broke, your latest effort to contribute to the pubic dialogue regarding the direction of our nation. Your advice is timely and necessary, if somewhat obvious. You have successfully established, with historical examples, that debt is bad, that having money is preferable to not having money, and moreover, that it really sucks that our country no longer has any money. With these three points I stand behind you one hundred percent, even if I wasn't quite willing to buy the remaining ninety-five percent of your book.

As you advise your readers, staying out of personal debt is a surefire way to avoid being indebted. What's more, exercising thrift is still vitally important, as underspending significantly reduces one's likelihood of overspending. You've spent several pages proving that the Greek, Roman, and Spanish empires all fell as a result of overextension and debt. But what, if not this long-term financial insolvency, defines the collapse of an organization? A government falls, it turns out, when it falls. Do you think you could go further to explain how our government could be more thrifty; i.e., what can we stop spending money on? Should we stop sending food to our soldiers, or give up entirely on our flagging education system? Will spontaneous charity be able to fund these programs at an acceptable level, given that, historically speaking, it never has? I'd like to see more thoughts on this in your next book, or possibly in the remaining chapters of this book that I opted out of buying.

I would also like you to reconsider the basis of your rejection of social security. You opposed it on the grounds that it requires the young generation to pay for the old generation, rather than the old generation putting away for itself from an early age. But even if we begin to put money into private retirement funds when we're young, we're still no less reliant on the next generation, for in our dying throes it's not actually money we'll be hankering after so much as medicine, hair dye, and golf clubs. These things will be bought in the future and will be produced by the next generation no matter how the system is set up. If the next generation is smaller or less productive, then they money we've put away in our private savings account will be able to buy less of value, and the only way around this is to literally stockpile the golf clubs now. Most of us will choose not to do this on the assumption that the drivers of the future will compensate for our lack of skill more than the drivers of today, and this is what we concretely mean when we say that our monetary savings grow in value over time. The point is, Social Security is in trouble because it has made promises it can't keep; not because it's public. "Precisely because it's public," you will likely reply, and you'll be partially right- but what will happen to those who forgot to take out a 401k or who outlived their savings? You can say it's their fault, but it's your driveway they'll be sleeping on. I hope we can reform the system too, but I think we should be clear from the outset that it has objectives beyond just raping bald eagles.

Also, Glenn, do you think there might ever be an appropriate time for debt? Sometimes entrepreneurs take on loans to expand their businesses, and sometimes people who can't afford to eat sell themselves into indentured servitude. You argue that being debt-free is the only way to be free-free, and with this point I agree entirely. However, are there not some circumstances in which one's freedom in the long run is increased by taking on the shackles of debt in the short term? (I think this is what Keynes meant by his "glorification" of debt that you so abhor. I think he was just being provocative to make his point, as we all are from time to time.) Granted, debt must be temporary in order for credit and freedom to be restored, but given that most of us are willing to accept short term debt in emergencies, I feel that the conversation ought to center on the question of what exactly constitutes such an emergency.

Glenn, your take-aways are really worth hearing: spend less, spend smarter, and …something about debt. However, I've had some trouble following the logic that has led you there, and to help clarify I have included a representative except with my questions in bullet point below.

"The recent denigration of profits and wealth is right out of the progressive playbook. They make wealth synonymous with greed and profits synonymous with corruption…" • Is this denigration "recent"? Is this the first time in human history that wage earners and serfs have resented those whose incomes are chiefly derived from collecting rent? • This sentiment exists today, but you'll notice that (as of 2010) one sees very little anger directed at artists, musicians, or figures such as Steve Jobs, who are clearly working hard to create things the public finds valuable. Instead, the public is enraged by the top management of GM, who has been selling essentially the same Suburban for twenty years regardless of a changes in taste and politics, or the fund managers of Wall Street, who either consciously or not (not sure which is better) sustained the great credit bubble and managed to hold onto their jobs in the fallout. • Glenn, I propose that what you're seeing has nothing to do with progressivism; it's a near-universal reaction against those who prove that unfairness exists even in America, a country which ought to have higher ideals; those who challenge America's identity. "After a while, people start to think to themselves: Maybe I don't want to be rich after all. Wealth isn't something to be admired; it's something to be avoided…" • Is this really the biggest problem that our society faces today? That young people just don't want to be rich anymore; that they underachieve because they're afraid of making too much money? Frankly, Glenn, I just don't believe that insufficient love of money has been or ever will be a problem anywhere. "So people borrow, they spend, they live the high life, and, sure enough, they are never wealthy. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy." • I don't follow. Are we meant to believe that wealth is denigrated so much that people just want to pretend that they have it but back away from being rich in private? That the citizenry only feel comfortable conforming to the social pressure to be poor when no one's watching? "The reason this is so important is that fewer wealthy citizens means fewer jobs. • By what path of causation do "wealthy citizens" create jobs? Good jobs are created by a number of things, including innovative ideas which often originate in publicly funded universities or research institutes, and a large middle class which can afford to buy these innovate products in significant numbers. (Take a look at China, who has not only a prodigious number of people but also "wealthy citizens," but whose high-skilled job creation is stifled because there are simply not enough moderately wealthy people to buy high-tech products). Fewer jobs means fewer people to take care of others, which in turn allows the government to make a case that is has to step in to fill the void. • Are we meant to believe that "progressivism" is a government propaganda campaign designed to defeat charity? Isn't it possible that some of the fine folks in Washington D.C. might want to raise taxes so they can take care of things like securing the country or educating your kids, and really have no intention of stopping you from dropping a few coins in the Salvation Army box? After all, if individuals were still willing and able to engage in private, willful charity and philanthropy (as used to be the tradition), we wouldn't need government to do it." • Glenn, what evidence do we have that a substantial amount of 'willful charity and philanthropy" has ever been "the tradition" for more than a very small percentage of society? How much charity do you reckon the average Irish immigrant or Native American or slave was receiving in, say, 1830?

…But virtue requires morality, and morality requires adherence to a religion that embraces charity as a pillar of its theology and recognizes a higher power than the government. • Do you mean to imply that those who do not "adhere to a religion" cannot be virtuous or moral, or is "require" just a poorly chosen word?

In all seriousness, Glenn, I value your attempt to shake the average American out of his complacent stupor. As it happens, I have a few ideas of my own on the subject. Let's let some immigrants in. How better to instill competitive, entrepreneurial vigor into Backyard Bill than to move him next door to Salim, the computer genius from Calcutta who has never taken a weekend off, and inform the two that they're competing for the same job? How better to instill the guilt of consumption into Mary Jane than to move her next door to Rosa and the other ten members of the Hernandez clan living next door to wait for picking season? And then, to make sure that Bill has a leg to stand on and Mary Jane knows enough Spanish to invite her neighbors over for tea-- to make sure that they engage the world beyond rather than evading it and being defeated by it-- why not give both of them a first-class, government-funded education?

Dear all,

America is in debt, but there are some things-- such as security, infrastructure, education, etc-- that we just can't afford not to buy. What exactly can we cut?


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KEYWORDS: broke; debt; glennbeck; herekittykitty; progressive; sniff; victorkilo; zot; zuluoscartango
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1 posted on 11/21/2010 8:06:37 PM PST by TakingThePowerBack
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To: TakingThePowerBack; darkwing104; 50mm; Darksheare

sniffy?


2 posted on 11/21/2010 8:08:54 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Mears

bfl


3 posted on 11/21/2010 8:11:03 PM PST by Mears
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To: TakingThePowerBack
What exactly can we cut?

The EPA , department of energy, FHA, IRS, department of education, the FDA, and on and on and on......
4 posted on 11/21/2010 8:11:37 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: dynachrome

Reeks of live under a bridge.


5 posted on 11/21/2010 8:12:39 PM PST by IGOTMINE (1911s FOREVER!)
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To: cripplecreek

“Isn’t it possible that some of the fine folks in Washington D.C. might want to raise taxes so they can take care of things like securing the country or educating your kids, and really have no intention of stopping”

I say troll!


6 posted on 11/21/2010 8:14:09 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: dynachrome

Yeah I’m guessing you’re right.


7 posted on 11/21/2010 8:16:29 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: TakingThePowerBack

How can you possibly write this if you haven’t read the other 90% of the book? Laughable!


8 posted on 11/21/2010 8:16:49 PM PST by Katnandu
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To: TakingThePowerBack
What exactly can we cut?

Is that a suggestion that there is nothing we can cut out of our bloated bureaucracy and other government expenditures? Aside from cuts which I am not in a position to enumerate, the Porkulous bill (still largely unspent for those shovel-ready projects that never were)should never have been passed along with the monster known as Obamacare, whose damaging effects are gradually becoming known.

9 posted on 11/21/2010 8:17:31 PM PST by luvbach1 (Stop Barry now. He can't help himself.)
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To: TakingThePowerBack
America is in debt, but there are some things-- such as security, infrastructure, education, etc-- that we just can't afford not to buy. What exactly can we cut?

I differ. It is TIME to DownSize DC! Close entire departments beginning with the U.S. Department of Education. If it cost nothing, it would still make sense to close it. The quality of education in the U.S. would improve if the PC crap forced by the current U.S. Dept of Education did not exist. (EPA?, TSA?, PBS?, etc)

10 posted on 11/21/2010 8:19:19 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: dynachrome
HARK! Is that a ship I see on the Horizon?! viking kitty Pictures, Images and Photos
11 posted on 11/21/2010 8:19:25 PM PST by KC_Lion (Lord help our Armed Service members that they not become pawns in Hussein's quest to destroy America)
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To: Texas Fossil

Just about any combination of 3 letters is a good place to cut.


12 posted on 11/21/2010 8:20:52 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: IGOTMINE

I think you’re right. The smell is pretty strong.


13 posted on 11/21/2010 8:22:23 PM PST by unkus
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To: TakingThePowerBack
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14 posted on 11/21/2010 8:24:58 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: unkus

Awesome. I hardly ever get IBTZ.


15 posted on 11/21/2010 8:25:50 PM PST by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: TakingThePowerBack

I read through the first paragraph, skimmed the rest, and decided that you had very little else to offer. Good night.


16 posted on 11/21/2010 8:26:45 PM PST by new cruelty
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To: TakingThePowerBack

“What exactly can we cut?”

Virtually everything that leeches off the intent of the Founding ideals, and documents, and provide paid access for the opposition to those ideals, and documents.

We the taxpaying public actually pay The Left to destroy us.


17 posted on 11/21/2010 8:28:35 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: TakingThePowerBack; darkwing104; Old Sarge; 230FMJ; 50mm; A.Hun; abigailsmybaby; AFPhys; ...
Live one here.

To be added or removed from the VK list, FReepmail Darkwing104.

18 posted on 11/21/2010 8:31:13 PM PST by 50mm (I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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To: 50mm
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19 posted on 11/21/2010 8:32:19 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: TakingThePowerBack

Spell check FAIL on first sentence!

Do over!


20 posted on 11/21/2010 8:33:27 PM PST by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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To: cripplecreek

Looks like “someone” has changed the title. hehe.


21 posted on 11/21/2010 8:33:45 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: TakingThePowerBack
Wow! A troll and a blog pimp in one post. Judging by the intellectual quality of what you've written, here's the best way to get the message across to you:


22 posted on 11/21/2010 8:34:11 PM PST by FredZarguna ("I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.")
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To: TakingThePowerBack

You want some power back? Well...here.


23 posted on 11/21/2010 8:34:20 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: libertarian27

Oh Yeah!
IBTZ

Sweet as Pie


24 posted on 11/21/2010 8:34:42 PM PST by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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To: Admin Moderator

LOL

Hows about a little voltage scarecrow.


25 posted on 11/21/2010 8:35:27 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek
The EPA , department of energy, FHA, IRS, department of education, the FDA, and on and on and on......

Privatize the schools (if Abraham Lincoln was able to educate himself in a log cabin, we can make do without government schools today); sell off chunks of government land (why does the government own over half the land area in the West?); bring back the troops from Europe; get out of the United Nations; stop government Foreign Aid (if private citizens want to send foreign countries their checks - let them) - and thus significantly chop down the size of the State Department; stop illegal immigration/invasion (and thereby eliminate the billions of dollars spent to maintain the social welfare net for illegals)... and on and on and on...

26 posted on 11/21/2010 8:35:56 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: trappedincanuckistan

Welcome to FR!


27 posted on 11/21/2010 8:36:06 PM PST by unkus
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To: libertarian27

Well, just poop already - I missed another IBTZ....:)


28 posted on 11/21/2010 8:37:24 PM PST by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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To: TakingThePowerBack

IBTZ?


29 posted on 11/21/2010 8:37:42 PM PST by GreyMountainReagan ("Pray for America")
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To: TakingThePowerBack
ZOT!


30 posted on 11/21/2010 8:37:44 PM PST by 50mm (I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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To: GreyMountainReagan

guess not. Missed by a couple of minutes I suppose.


31 posted on 11/21/2010 8:39:07 PM PST by GreyMountainReagan ("Pray for America")
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To: cripplecreek

Yep, Washington is a target rich zone.

It is so bloated and corrupted that is past time for some major surgery.

It is TIME to DownSize DC!

Close entire departments and major cuts in others.

Force Congress and Senate to telecommute most of the year from their home district. Away from the Lobbyists and under the thumb of the electorate. Can you imagine the cost savings and it would completely change the center-of-gravity of the Federal Government.

The Texas legislature meets every 2 years unless the governor calls a special session. It has worked well for a long time. There is nothing to prevent Congress from deciding to operate the same way, except the pain of giving up the bribes, freebees and perks of the current system.


32 posted on 11/21/2010 8:39:07 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: 50mm
Zot Pictures, Images and Photos

Heck yeah, ZOT you "ehhh what do we cut, we can't cut services the goverment can never do with less" F$@%&*g Troll!

33 posted on 11/21/2010 8:40:33 PM PST by KC_Lion (Lord help our Armed Service members that they not become pawns in Hussein's quest to destroy America)
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To: unkus

Been here a week or two and lurked here briefly during the Florida recount, but thanks. Glad to be here.


34 posted on 11/21/2010 8:40:53 PM PST by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: TakingThePowerBack

And exactly what part of security, infrastructure and education are we doing right and getting our moneys worth?


35 posted on 11/21/2010 8:41:20 PM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: Texas Fossil
Force Congress and Senate to telecommute most of the year from their home district.

I would sequester them in their districts and force them to hire locals as aides.
36 posted on 11/21/2010 8:41:20 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: dynachrome

Good work.


37 posted on 11/21/2010 8:41:20 PM PST by 50mm (I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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To: cripplecreek

ROTFL! Great Pic!


38 posted on 11/21/2010 8:42:56 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Don't touch my junk!!!)
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To: TakingThePowerBack
Spend like there's no tomorrow.

That will work!

Just ask Greece.


39 posted on 11/21/2010 8:44:13 PM PST by smokingfrog (Because you don't live near a bakery doesn't mean you have to go without cheesecake.)
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To: 50mm

At first, I thought “cool, a review of Beck’s book” until I got past the first paragraph or so, then it was standard libtard crap.


40 posted on 11/21/2010 8:45:36 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: TakingThePowerBack; 50mm
What exactly can we cut?

IBTZ You.

41 posted on 11/21/2010 8:46:21 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: cripplecreek
Is that Seal Team 9 (lives) ?
42 posted on 11/21/2010 8:46:37 PM PST by smokingfrog (Because you don't live near a bakery doesn't mean you have to go without cheesecake.)
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To: 50mm

This is the sentence that made me go “hey, WTH?”:

‘Should we stop sending food to our soldiers, or give up entirely on our flagging education system?’


43 posted on 11/21/2010 8:47:14 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: smokingfrog

Funny how the Eurotards lecture us over and over again, and they’re all going broke.

Greece.

Ireland.

I hear Spain and Portugal are right around the corner.


44 posted on 11/21/2010 8:48:01 PM PST by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: FlingWingFlyer


Wyatt Earp: All right, Clanton... you called down the thunder, well now you’ve got it! You see that?

[pulls open his coat, revealing a badge]

Wyatt Earp: It says United States Marshal!

Ike Clanton: [terrified, pleading] Wyatt, please, I...

Wyatt Earp: [referring to Stilwell, laying dead] Take a good look at him, Ike... ‘cause that’s how you’re gonna end up!

[shoves Ike down roughly with his boot]

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[lets Ike up to run for his life]

Wyatt Earp: So run, you cur... RUN! Tell all the other curs the law’s comin’!

[shouts]

Wyatt Earp: You tell ‘em I’M coming... and hell’s coming with me, you hear?...

[louder]

Wyatt Earp: Hell’s coming with me!


45 posted on 11/21/2010 8:48:01 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: dynachrome

“Isn’t it possible that some of the fine folks in Washington D.C. might want to raise taxes so they can take care of things like securing the country or educating your kids, and really have no intention of stopping”

I’d say no - that idea is so implausible that it at least borders on impossible. (He actually lost me with “fine folks in Washington D.C.”)


46 posted on 11/21/2010 8:48:07 PM PST by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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To: cripplecreek

OK — made my day.


47 posted on 11/21/2010 8:48:15 PM PST by Bhoy
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To: cripplecreek

The Constitution states that they will meet at least 1 time each year and specifies the date to begin (been changed). It says nothing about length of session.

The is nothing in law to prevent them for meeting 2-3 weeks in January and return to their home district for the rest of the year. I could sleep better each night knowing they were having a harder time colluding against the American Public in DC.

I telecommuted for 1-1/2 years and liked that arrangement very much. I was as productive as if I had been in the office.

About 15 years ago I first suggested this to a Pol in Oklahoma City. It made sense then, but now with the current technology it would be a no brainer.


48 posted on 11/21/2010 8:50:10 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: Texas Fossil

The man we’re sending to DC lived in his office during his first term in Nancy Pelosi’s house. (06-08)


49 posted on 11/21/2010 8:53:33 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: TakingThePowerBack

DRAT!! IATZ.

Seems like a particularly stupid and loathsome troll, too.


50 posted on 11/21/2010 8:54:07 PM PST by Politicalmom (America-The Land of the Sheep, the Home of the Caved.)
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