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Blame guns: Gun control is the issue in the tragic shooting of Gabrielle Giffords [Blech!]
Now Toronto Magazine ^ | January 10, 2011 | Susan G. Cole

Posted on 01/10/2011 11:38:41 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

I loathe Sarah Palin as much as anyone else, but I'm not blaming her for inciting Jared Loughner to go on his shooting spree in Tucson. I'm equally unimpressed with the argument that the nastiness of political debate in America inspired Loughner to pull the trigger.

I welcome the discussion of America's toxic political culture – the quality of debate there, especially around health care, has been distressingly low. Time for media reps to do a little soul-searching. But, sorry, FOX news didn't give Loughner the tools to carry out his tragic plan.

And I'm amazed at how quickly analysts jumped to the conclusion that there's a connection between Palin's aggressive politicking on the Tea Party website, which puts liberal elected representatives – including shooting victim Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords – in a graphic representing crosshairs. Hard-core journalists should know better. Until the contents of Loughner's computer are examined, we don't know whether Loughner ever looked at the site or if he's even a Tea Party supporter.

Don't get me wrong. I'm glad the Tea Party's seen fit to pull down the famous map targetting liberal politicians and I'm appalled by Palin's personal celebration of guns and their metaphors – as in her slogan "Don't retreat. Reload".

But Loughner is a product of gun culture and so is Palin. America's problem is not its politicians, it's all about guns and the Second Amendment. The right to own guns is deeply embedded in American life. There is no process in place to prevent unhinged characters like Loughner from packing and there won't be any until the National Rifle Association and its trigger-happy gang lose their influence and the constitution's Second Amendment is reconsidered.

Ironically, Giffords herself, though she received only a D+ rating from the NRA, voted for legislation that praised the NRA and its feeble Eddie Eagle Gun Safety program. And, as she commented fearlessley, when her constituency offices were threatened last year, "I own a glock pistol, and I'm a good shot."

Pointing to Palin does as much good in explaining this tragedy as dismissing Loughner as a crackpot. Opinions don't kill people, mental instability doesn't kill people. A poisonous political environment doesn't kill people. Guns do.

If Americans want to do some soul searching, they should take a good long look at their constitution.


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: arizona; banglist; giffords; reichstagfire; rtkba
Leave it to the Canadians to jump right in with something like this.
1 posted on 01/10/2011 11:38:45 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I blame it on the nut case shooter.....


2 posted on 01/10/2011 11:43:06 AM PST by Kimmers (Tell a lie often enough it becomes political........)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What a slough of unsupported assertions, incorrect facts, and poor logic.


3 posted on 01/10/2011 11:43:20 AM PST by American Quilter (Everyone please donate to FreeRepublic! Where would we be without this wonderful site?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Idiot.

First off, all of the bad “political climate” comes from the left.

Guns don’t pull their own trigger.


4 posted on 01/10/2011 11:44:03 AM PST by GeronL (How DARE you have an opinion!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yep, let’s ban guns. Then the nut jobs will just build bombs. Great thinking there folks. Better think hard about the consequenses of your actions. You can’t ban the components that go into making bombs. And a bomb could kill a LOT more people than a gun.

Sometimes liberals just don’t get that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. They sure are working overtime to pave it.


5 posted on 01/10/2011 11:44:20 AM PST by BCR #226 (07/02 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"I loathe Sarah Palin as much as anyone else..."

Wow! That's a pretty classy intro there, Susan.

6 posted on 01/10/2011 11:45:41 AM PST by D_Idaho ("For we wrestle not against flesh and blood...")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Guns kill people.

They jump right up and shoot you. No human being is attached to the trigger. Them damn guns.

Canadian moron.

Maybe she thinks baseball bats kill baby seals. They just flop up there on the ice and a Louisville Slugger shows up out of nowhere and slams that little critter’s brain out for some Canadian’s fur coat.

Damn bats.


7 posted on 01/10/2011 11:45:48 AM PST by oldbill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Clintonfatigued

The real culprit here may be Sheriff Dupnik’s own incompetence.....READ THIS THREAD:

Jared Loughner is a product of Sheriff Dupnik’s office

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2654389/posts


8 posted on 01/10/2011 11:45:59 AM PST by JulieRNR21 (The Constitution is an instrument to protect 'We the People' from the government..)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

At least they acknowledged that it’d take a Constitutional Amendment to legally make the change. “You have the right, but shouldn’t” is markedly different from “you don’t have the right”.

That, in and of itself, is a victory for those of us that support the RTKBA.

SnakeDoc


9 posted on 01/10/2011 11:46:17 AM PST by SnakeDoctor ("They made it evident to every man [...] that human beings are many, but men are few." -- Herodotus)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I loatth Susan G Cole more than any person on earth, but I’m not going to blame her for being the dunbest POS that’s ever breathed air! What a dumb-ass Canuck bitch! Stay out of my country you POS!


10 posted on 01/10/2011 11:46:34 AM PST by Doc Savage (Stay Thirsty My Friend!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"... mental instability doesn't kill people"

What?

Mental instability certainly kills people.

Bring back the booby hatch. We need to go back to the days where families would occasionally resolve to have a crazy family member committed to a mental institution, and then men in white coats throw a butterfly net over the crazy person's head and quietly drag them off to an asylum. I've said that for years around here.

Liberals are against this because how can anyone tell someone who is mentally unstable from any other liberal walking around?

Bring back the booby hatch.

11 posted on 01/10/2011 11:47:11 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“I loathe Sarah Palin as much as anyone else”

but not as much as I loathe Canadian libs. Molon Labe, y’all.


12 posted on 01/10/2011 11:47:49 AM PST by tgusa (Investment plan: blued steel, brass, lead, copper)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

To Canada: Molon Labe.


13 posted on 01/10/2011 11:48:08 AM PST by MeganC (Jared Loughner - registered Democrat)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Blame guns....what an F’in idiot.


14 posted on 01/10/2011 11:49:24 AM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Fear can hold you prisoner.Hope can set you free.(Shawshank Redemption))
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To: Doc Savage

Is Susan Cole related to Juan Cole?


15 posted on 01/10/2011 11:49:23 AM PST by Sigurdrifta
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If Americans want to do some soul searching, they should take a good long look at their constitution

While you're down here getting that bypass that you'd have to wait 9-12 months to get up there, why don't you MAKE me look, ay?

16 posted on 01/10/2011 11:49:57 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not at all, of course they have it wrong.

the more that comes out, if one WOULD want to play the blame game,

you’d have to a) BLAME THE SHERIFF - who knows the guy is crazy and has been stalking Giffords since 2007; b) blame the teachers and friends of the guy for knowing he’s nuts and not doing anything about it, but fearing one day he’d crack and blow away the class; c) his parents who obviously knew the kid was crazy with the shrine in the backyard with the skull in it.

This particular similarity (everyone in the know around the guy knew he was crazy including law enforcement, NOBODY DOES ANYTHING), is exactly the same as the Ft Hood shooting. They knew Hassan was unstable and going to militant radical islam websites and knew he was doing nutty things and nobody did anything. Their sitting on their hands allowed Hassan to do what he did. Just like everyone around this nutjob in Arizona.


17 posted on 01/10/2011 11:51:38 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ve been waiting for this. That idiot could have just as easily driven a car into the Congresswoman’s table and crowd of onlookers, and created even more casualties.

Liberals just don’t get it. Its people, not inanimate objects that are to blame.


18 posted on 01/10/2011 11:51:41 AM PST by Nachoman (Think of life as an adventure you don't survive.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“There is no process in place to prevent unhinged characters like Loughner from packing and there won’t be any until the National Rifle Association and its trigger-happy gang lose their influence and the constitution’s Second Amendment is reconsidered.”

Typical leftist muddled thinking...assuming that nutballs like the AZ shooter would be paying heed to the law. If that were true, he wouldn’t have shot anyone.

As far as attacking the Second Amendment? Get off it, Canada. You’ve pretty much screwed up your own country. Leave mine alone. You don’t count.


19 posted on 01/10/2011 11:52:10 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

Yes the guns are the problem.

Criminals and crazies will ALWAYS get their hands on them. SO, whats needed is more guns in the hands of the people. It serves as a greater deterrent for most situations and the halfway sane people. How many people willingly break into houses knowing that they more than likely will not come out alive?


20 posted on 01/10/2011 11:57:45 AM PST by himno hero
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"...and the constitution's Second Amendment is reconsidered."

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21 posted on 01/10/2011 12:00:38 PM PST by Celtic Cross (DOWN HERE!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What is the saying?? (I’m sure there is a better one):

If guns kill people then pencils cause misspelled words.


22 posted on 01/10/2011 12:01:10 PM PST by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So it was the GUN’S fault!!! I guess that means Loughner grabbed the pistol in an attempt to PREVENT it from going off and was unjustly accused of the crime!!!!


23 posted on 01/10/2011 12:04:33 PM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: himno hero

If I lived alone I would own a gun and know how to use it.As a law-abiding citizen I have the right to own a gun to protect myself,as does every law-abiding citizen.


24 posted on 01/10/2011 12:14:14 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Fear can hold you prisoner.Hope can set you free.(Shawshank Redemption))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m certain that the left is drooling over the possibility that Giffords will be the Jim Brady for the 21st century.


25 posted on 01/10/2011 12:23:53 PM PST by Conan the Conservative (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the hippies.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Blaming conservatives & the alternative media isn't working, so launch alternate plan B - attack the 2nd amendment.

Can't allow this event to pass without getting SOMETHING out of it.

26 posted on 01/10/2011 12:28:30 PM PST by skeeter
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Susan G. Cole (Born February 9, 1952) is a feminist author, activist, editor, speaker and playwright. She has been a lightning rod for controversy on a number of issues, including free speech, pornography, race and religion. Her 2010 appearance on FOX news in support of students protesting the appearance of Ann Coulter on the University of Ottawa campus has put her front and centre in the debate.[1][2][3] As a lesbian activist and pioneering lesbian mother – her daughter Molly is 22 years old – she speaks out on sexuality and family issues and is a well-read columnist known for taking provocative stances.
27 posted on 01/10/2011 12:31:19 PM PST by Conan the Conservative (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the hippies.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
She “loathes Sarah Palin just as much as anyone else”. No need to read any further.....This moonbat fascist hag just fell off of the nuthouse bus.
28 posted on 01/10/2011 12:31:59 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP ( Give me Liberty, or give me an M-24A2!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
People don't kill people, Guns Kill People People don't kill people, Knives Kill People People don't kill people, Pointy Sticks Kill People People don't kill people, Poisons Kill People People don't kill people, Electricity Kills People People don't kill people, Water Kills People People don't kill people, Blunt Objects Kill People People don't kill people, Ropes Kill People People don't kill people, Hands Kill People People don't kill people, Kills People, where was involved in a previous death of a person.... So we need to ban . Why don't we ban every single thing that could kill someone, then we can all live in Nerf lined caves starving to death because the objects used for making food are banned cause they could kill someone...
29 posted on 01/10/2011 12:33:37 PM PST by GraceG
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
...until the National Rifle Association and its trigger-happy gang lose their influence and the constitution's Second Amendment is reconsidered.

Reconsider it and watch the law of unintended consequences open a pandora's box that can't be closed. For a people that claim to love diversity so much, they sure are culturally ignorant.
30 posted on 01/10/2011 12:34:29 PM PST by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

People don’t kill people, Guns Kill People.

People don’t kill people, Knives Kill People.

People don’t kill people, Pointy Sticks Kill People.

People don’t kill people, Poisons Kill People.

People don’t kill people, Electricity Kills People.

People don’t kill people, Water Kills People.

People don’t kill people, Blunt Objects Kill People.

People don’t kill people, Ropes Kill People.

People don’t kill people, Hands Kill People.

People don’t kill people, [noun] Kills People, where [noun] was involved in a previous death of a person.... So we need to ban [noun].

Why don’t we ban every single thing that could kill someone, then we can all live in Nerf lined caves starving to death because the objects used for making food are banned cause they could kill someone...


31 posted on 01/10/2011 12:35:14 PM PST by GraceG
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To: Conan the Conservative

I’m sure that Satan has a special position waiting for her on the board of demons!

Enjoy eternity, you flaming ball of sh#t from hell!


32 posted on 01/10/2011 12:37:48 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP ( Give me Liberty, or give me an M-24A2!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You Molon Labe guys, stop it, you’re killing me! The vision of that Canadian lesbian hag coming to take our guns away is too funny.

Private gunowners in just my libtard state of Washington are enough to take out the Canadian Army. Heck, we have enough small boats, we could take out their navy too. And those CFAC jets, they have to land sometime.


33 posted on 01/10/2011 1:01:24 PM PST by Rinnwald
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

To Susan Cole:

Loathe Sarah Palin as much as anyone else?

As ANYONE else?

You mean like any card-carrying liberal. You just can’t help starting out with a lie can you?

And let’s be clear, you moron: The great sheriff of Pima County, with all of his official government guns (the kind you love so much), and all of his foreknowledge of the dangers to Giffords, and of the fact that Loughner was unstable and hate-filled, still wasn’t able to stop this crime.

Does McGill University ring a bell?

Bottom feeding one-cells like you have screwed up your country enough. Stay the hell out of ours.


34 posted on 01/10/2011 1:14:34 PM PST by DPMD (~)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

To Susan Cole:

Loathe Sarah Palin as much as anyone else?

As ANYONE else?

You mean like any card-carrying liberal. You just can’t help starting out with a lie can you?

And let’s be clear, you moron: The great sheriff of Pima County, with all of his official government guns (the kind you love so much), and all of his foreknowledge of the dangers to Giffords, and of the fact that Loughner was unstable and hate-filled, still wasn’t able to stop this crime.

Does McGill University ring a bell?

Bottom feeding one-cells like you have screwed up your country enough. Stay the hell out of ours.


35 posted on 01/10/2011 1:14:39 PM PST by DPMD (~)
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To: Conan the Conservative

One look and it’s easy to understand why she loathes Sarah.

“Known for taking provocative stances.”

Known for having a face that would stop a clock.


36 posted on 01/10/2011 1:21:04 PM PST by DPMD (~)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They always want gun control, never murderer control.


37 posted on 01/10/2011 1:35:40 PM PST by 3niner (When Obama succeeds, America fails.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ms. Cole needs to keep her opinions and her butt in Canada where they belong. This is America. We don’t need no steenking gun control here. If it wasn’t for the 190 million gun owners here Obama would already have declared Martial law and installed his Maxist regime. Count on it.


38 posted on 01/10/2011 1:45:24 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
b) blame the teachers and friends of the guy for knowing he’s nuts and not doing anything about it, but fearing one day he’d crack and blow away the class

I used to work as a sysadmin in `academentia' so let me add this: they also know their warning would be ignored and they'd be required to attend "diversity class" to teach them to be "sensitive" to the mentally deranged (but don't call them that, that's not tolerant).


39 posted on 01/10/2011 1:55:12 PM PST by Peet (Leftists think personal liberty is so important it must be carefully rationed.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
To paraphrase Dan Ackroyd,

"Susan, you ignorant slut!"

There is no process in place to prevent unhinged characters like Loughner from packing and there won't be any until the National Rifle Association and its trigger-happy gang lose their influence and the constitution's Second Amendment is reconsidered.

Mexico has some of the most stringent gun control laws in the world. Drive across the border with a single round of military caliber ammunition (9mm, for instance) and you'll wind up in jail for YEARS!

Yet the murder rate in Mexico is one of the highest in the world! You can't keep criminals from killing someone once they've decided they want to do it.

The only way to ensure that this sort of thing can't happen is to institute a tyrannical government that treats everyone as a potential assassin. And even then, there's no guarantee.

Mark

40 posted on 01/10/2011 2:13:01 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: oldbill
Guns kill people.

They jump right up and shoot you. No human being is attached to the trigger. Them damn guns.

Thank goodness for my Browning gun safe! If not for it, my guns would be going on a rampage, killing everyone for miles around! You should hear them beating on the door, trying to get out! It's maddening!

Mark

Hey you leftist morons, this was sarcasm. My guns really aren't trying to get out of my gun safe!

41 posted on 01/10/2011 2:25:10 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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42 posted on 01/10/2011 2:29:59 PM PST by Eddie01
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