WE'RE ALL BIRTHERS NOW: The Long-Form Obama Birth Certificate DOES NOT EXIST

Reaganite Republican ^ | January 26, 2011 | Reaganite Republican

[Reaganite Republican]

Hawai'i election official's sworn affadavit: 

"No Obama birth certificate exists"

ALL Americans who support our nation's Constitution and election laws must now ask: WHERE IS IT? As the Obama birth certificate controversy drags-on, any unbiased observer could tell you that events are strengthening the birthers' case by the day... not the other way around.

Oczam's razor theory dictates that if they can't find it... there must not be one. This would also provide the most viable explanation for why Obama has spent almost $2M fighting the claims in court. And to since it's a principle requirement for presidential eligibility... would someone please tell me WHY the burden of proof is on us? 

How'd this guy even get a passport without a long-form birth certificate, anyway...

"During the course of my employment," Adams swears in the affidavit (viewable in full as part 1 and part 2), "I became aware that many requests were being made to the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division, the Hawaii Office of Elections, and the Hawaii Department of Health from around the country to obtain a copy of then-Senator Barack Obama's long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate." 

As he inquired about the birth certificate, he says, his supervisors told him that the records were not on file at the Hawaii Department of Health. "Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division told me on multiple occasions that no Hawaii long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Senator Obama in the Hawaii Department of Health," Adams' affidavit reads, "and there was no record that any such document had ever been on file in the Hawaii Department of Health or any other branch or department of the Hawaii government." 

Tim Adams

Tim Adams, former senior elections clerk for Honolulu In a recorded telephone interview, Adams told WND that it was common knowledge among election officials where he worked that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate could be found at the Hawaii Department of Health. "My supervisor came and told me, 'Of course, there's no birth certificate. What? You stupid,'" Adams said. "She usually spoke well, but in saying this she reverted to a Hawaiian dialect. I really didn't know how to respond to that. She said it and just walked off. She was quite a powerful lady." 

Moreover, Adams was told that neither Queens Memorial Hospital nor Kapi'olani Medical Center had any records of Obama's birth at their medical facilities: "Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division further told me on multiple occasions that Hawaii State government officials had made inquires about Sen. Obama's birth records to officials at Queens Medical Center and Kapi'olani Medical Center in Honolulu and that neither hospital had any record of Senator Obama having been born there, even though Governor Abercrombie is now asserting and various Hawaii government officials continue to assert Barack Obama Jr. was born at Kapi'olani Medical Center on Aug. 4, 1961." 

"We called the two hospitals in Honolulu: Queens and Kapi'olani," Adams stressed. "Neither of them have any records that Barack Obama was born there."

The debate has been recently been amplified by Hawaii's weird hippy Governor Neil Abercrombie -a far-Left freak who was previously a member of the US House Progressive Caucus and a personal friend and college classmate of both of Obama's parents. Abercrombie  made an ill-advised claim during his 2010 gubernatorial campaign that he would soon put a rest to all this, stating he was on a  "mission" to "quell" the birthers- as the polemic has "implications for 2012 that we simply cannot have."

But there is no Obama birth certificate... there never was.  So now he's hiding behind Hawaii's state AG, who says there is a privacy law that prohibits Abercrombie from doing as he promised (unless Obama gave him permission, of course):

State Attorney General David Louie told the governor that privacy laws bar him from disclosing an individual’s birth documentation without the person’s consent, Abercrombie spokeswoman Donalyn Dela Cruz said Friday.

“There is nothing more that Gov. Abercrombie can do within the law to produce a document,” said Dela Cruz. 

“Unfortunately, there are conspirators who will continue to question the citizenship of our president.” 

Conspirators! That's rich- but condescension and slander coming from nervous Dems does little to re-assure thinking persons that this man is acutally qualified to be US President: on the contrary, this defensive, diversionary behavior speaks volumes. Clearly those propping up this Trojan Horse of a president have nothing left but mocking the inquisitors- but as Margaret Thatcher once said: "... if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left." And indeed they do not-

Delving a little farther back, Obama even admitted himself that he wasn't qualified for the presidency in the 2004 Keyes-Obama Senate campaign debate, but the video of this was scrubbed from YouTube, according to Good Ole Boy at RealAmericanPolitics. 

Keyes caught him off guard... and Obama spilled:

I watched the entire first and second debates.  I distinctly remember that I had never heard of Obama; my interest was in seeing what Keyes said about the pro-life issue and school vouchers.

At one point in the second debate, Keyes, accused Obama saying, “You are not even a natural born citizen!”
To which Obama immediately replied, “So what? I am running for Illinois Senator, not the presidency.”

At the end of the airing of the second debate, the C-Span host noted, as he read from a single sheet of paper, placed before him, that the Obama Campaign had contacted them and requested them to point out to their viewers that Obama’s response here should not be understood as a denial that he is a natural born citizen, only that Keyes’ accusation had nothing to do with the qualifications of office of a U.S. Senator...

Today... with even Chris Matthews saying "why not just put it out?"- I unapologetically throw my hat in with the birthers... time to cough it up or step-down, Barry. Even is some obscure court ruling keeps Obama in office... this man must not be allowed to run for re-election in 2012. 

And when the day comes when we remove this tumor from the neck of the American eagle... Obama and his accomplices must be punished harshly for not just violation of oath, but the myriad crimes committed in covering-up lack of qualification for US president, up to and including perjury. And that means the entire Obama campaign team, lawyers, and most of the DNC... you're all going to pay dearly for this one.

Get on the stick, GOP congressman... 
where's the subpoenas? 

The survival of American democracy demands justice- and so do we.

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[curiosity]

We shouldn’t have to scrape up his old college buddies to find out if he actually attended school in the first place!

We don't. Columbia and Occidental have both verified that he attneded.

Obama invites all this with the unprecedented secrecy surrounding his background- be it BC, school records, passport records, what have you.

What makes you think he isn't enjoying "all this?"

[curiosity]

Yes, I am aware Sun Yat Sen obtained a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth through fraud 50 years before Obama was born.

How could that possibly be relevant to Obama, given that Obama does NOT have a Certificate of Hawaiin Birth, but rather a standard birth certificate?

[curiosity]

Anybody who thinks that making statements like that to “mess with my mind and encourage more conspiracy theorizing” would reflect well on a guy who is supposed to be credible and leading the State of Hawaii...

For the record, I don't think Abercormbie's birther mind games reflect well on him. Quite the contrary. I wouldn't vote for the guy in a 1000 years.

[EDINVA]

You are so anxious to jump on any challenge to Obama’s eligibility that you a) call me a liar, and b) demand “a source” without reading the post to which you responded, at which I posted THREE links to sources.

Further I was willing to acknowledged that the source is only online articles, based on an interview with a[n alleged] long-time Abercrombie friend/associate. That is at least as credible as the online COLB, likely more.

You are worthy of no further response. I do not suffer trolls gladly.

[curiosity]

You don't know that, LIAR!

Okay. You want to prove me a liar? Show me evidence that he said it.

[curiosity]

Further I was willing to acknowledged that the source is only online articles, based on an interview with a[n alleged] long-time Abercrombie friend/associate.

My apologies for missing it. I did not realize that link was supposed to be a source for your claim.

Okay, so I now see some dude named Mike Evans claims the governor told him there is no BC. I don't believe him, as there's no evidence to corroborate his hearsay evidence.

And no, he's not as credible as the online COLB because the latter has corroborating evidence, namely the statements by outgoing health director Fukino as well as the birth announcements in the papers.

[Brown Deer]

You want to prove me a liar? Show me evidence that he said it.

I don't have to show you any evidence that he said it, because that wouldn't prove you're a liar.

Conan said, "I heard him say that he couldn’t find it"

You said, "He didn't say that, either."

The fact is, you have not been with Abercrombie (and I don't have to prove it), so you do not know what he said and what he didn't say! So, that makes you a liar, unless you can prove that he didn't say it.

[curiosity]

Serious? One official says she has seen it, and that is good enough for you?

If you add in the photographs of the COLB posted online, the birth announcements in the paper, and the sheer impluasibility of an 18 year old girl traveling to Kenya while 7-8 months pregnant in 1961, the yes, it is good enough for me.

Are you voting for Rahm for mayor of Chicago too?

I don't live in Chicago.

And you believe that COLB? It’s fraudulent.

No it isn't, the claims of some anonymous hack on the internet notwithstanding.

I am not sure of the reason it’s fraudulent, but it’s apparent that his friend the new Gov could NOT find a real BC,

The governor never said that.

so where would the short form come from?

There's only one place it could come from: the long form.

There is talk now that he was adopted by Soetoro and perhaps there is something in the archives about Barry Soetoro, not Barack Obama?

Highly unlikely, but irrelevant.

I don’t know. But there is extensive proof online that the COLB is not legit.

No there isn't.

[curiosity]

So, that makes you a liar, unless you can prove that he didn't say it.

The burden of proof is on the one making a positive claim, such as "Abercrombie said such and such." The burden is not on the one denying it.

[Brown Deer]

namely the statements by outgoing health director Fukino

What qualifies her to determine if someone is a natural born citizen or not?

[Flamenco Lady]

With regard to your comments I understand that if there is a long form birth certificate, then a short form BC is just an abreviated form of that,however, it is my understanding that a short form birth certificate can be issued in Hawaii for individuals that do not have a long form birth certificate and those individuals may or may not have actually been born in Hawaii. His sister’s short form Hawaiian birth certificate was also posted online and she was born in Indonesia.

I don’t have time to go research the Hawaiian laws again now, but I did read them on their own website before Obama was elected and concluded to my own satisfaction that he could have been born elsewhere and still have been able to obtain a short form certificate. If you have time to post links to the laws I would be happy to go review it again.

There are at least two different copies of a short form Hawaiian birth certificate that I have seen online. I could be mistaken that the one on his website and the daily Kos were different. It could have been another site that showed the different one, however, both copies were purported to be real during the run up to the election. Perhaps another freeper has links to the two different ones.

With regard to the newspaper, I would question how anyone at the newspaper would be able to attest that the paper only posted announcements from the Health Bureau information since that was some 50 years ago. Even in banking it would be difficult to attest to a policy the bank had 50 years ago, let alone a newspaper. It was common practice for grandparents to request birth announcements.

No expert to the best of my knowledge has ever seen the original for testing purposes, however, there are some experts who have stated that the online copies appear to be forgeries. Until the original long form birth certificate has been examined by several different experts and found to be authentic I am withoulding an opinion as to where Obama was born.

I will look up the court case you mentioned, when I have more time. I have looked through legal decisions on this mater quite extensively, however, and to date I have not found one case that specifically provides a definition for the term “natural born citizen”.

With regard to my memory and my honesty they are both in tact. I went to school with an individual who had a father that was a U.S. citizen born in the USA, and a mother that was foreign born and was not a citizen at the time of the birth. The mother became a U.S. Citizen before the second child was born. This family became the example used in my classes year after year to explain to the students what the term “natural born citizen” meant. We were taught that the first child was inelligible to be president when they grew up because only one parent was a citizen at the time of their birth. The second child would be eligible because both parents were citizens at the time of the second child’s birth. I was among the top students in my classes and I am still friends with the family that was used as the example, so don’t try telling me that no one used that definition in the 1960’s or that I have a bad memory about this.

Perhaps we can agree to disagree at this point in time as you obviously have opinions that are just as strong as mine.

There are many people even today who beleive this is the only interpretation of the “natural born citizen clause”. Quite frankly I beleive it is the only interpretation which makes any sense since our founding fathers would clearly not have allowed for anyone who might also be a British subject to become president. You are, however, entitled to your opinion until such time as the supreme court provides us with a less ambiguous definition.

[Brown Deer]

I don't live in Chicago.

You didn't answer the question.

[BigSkyFreeper]

Abercrombie is a lying, deceitful, dishonest idiot.

[Brown Deer]

The governor never said that.

You don't know that.

[BigSkyFreeper]

Governors can’t release someone elses birth certificate anyway. That’s an abuse of power.

[curiosity]

What qualifies her to determine if someone is a natural born citizen or not?

10th grade civics and the knowledge of whether the person in question was born in the USA.

[Brown Deer]

and the sheer impluasibility of an 18 year old girl traveling to Kenya while 7-8 months pregnant in 1961

Even if it was impausible, what does that have to do with it?

[Brown Deer]

No there isn't.

Oh yes there is, and the state of Hawaii has never confirmed that it came from them.

[curiosity]

Further I was willing to acknowledged that the source is only online articles, based on an interview with a[n alleged] long-time Abercrombie friend/associate.

FYI, this supposed "friend" is backtracking, as I suspected he would:

[curiosity]

With regard to your comments I understand that if there is a long form birth certificate, then a short form BC is just an abreviated form of that,however, it is my understanding that a short form birth certificate can be issued in Hawaii for individuals that do not have a long form birth certificate and those individuals may or may not have actually been born in Hawaii.

Not if the short form birth certificate says the individual was born in Hawaii, as Obama's does.

Under a 1982 law, someone born out of state can get a short form BC, but it will list their true birthlace.

His sister’s short form Hawaiian birth certificate was also posted online and she was born in Indonesia.

That's a birther myth that is simply not true. Like many of these things, it was simply made up out of thin air.