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BREAKTHROUGH POWER TEST A SUCCESS, BUT A.P. SITS ON IT
The American Reporter ^ | October 30 2011 | Joe Shea

Posted on 10/30/2011 2:42:16 PM PDT by Kevmo



BREAKTHROUGH POWER TEST A SUCCESS, BUT A.P. SITS ON IT
by Joe Shea
AR Correspondent
Bradenton, Fla .

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BRADENTON, Fla., Oct. 30, 2011 -- If you went to Google tonight and searched for the terms "E Cat Rossi Associated Press" you'd get 1,430,000 results from blogs, Web sites and magazines like Wired.com (UK edition). That number will grow .

Most are about how an Associated Press reporter attended the demonstration of a device - as the exclusive media person present during the whole test - that proceeded to generate 475,000 watts of power continuously for five hours with no input and just its secret Low Energy Nuclear Reaction device - a cold fusion reactor, in plain terms - providing power for the people who need it most - this world's billions of poor and hungry human beings.. AP Science writer Peter Svensson with Peswiki founder Sterling Allen at the workshops of Italian inventor and electrical engineer Andrea Rossi in Bologna, Italy. They were at Friday's final demonstration of a 1Mw cold fusion reactor that generated 470Kw of energy without any power input. Svensson had exclusive access during the test. The AP is sitting on the story, Joe Shea suspects. Photo: Sterling Allan/Peswiki There is substantial skepticism about Rossi and the reactor, and one critic has noted the inventor has had several brushes with the law over get-rich-quick schemes, the latest in the '90s, but always got short sentences and never went to jail. He would not be the first important inventor with an arrest record .

At the demonstration on this past Friday, Oct. 28, there was a large generator outside his workshop with cables running into the room where the demonstration was conducted. Rossi has explained to Pewwiki founder Sterling Allan that it was "absolutely cold" in the workshop and the generator was needed for heat in the fairly large space (the E Cat produces only steam usable for a turbine). Most of the videos of the demonstration show Rossi in a thin blue dress shirt, and one person present told me tonight it was "quite chilly" at the event. Most people are wearing jackets or sweaters inside, so that seems a plausible explanation. The A.P. has not yet reported anything, so we remain at least partly in the dark. In the video at left, below, sound of the generator is heard throughout, while the E Cat actually operates in complete silence. Touching it, I'm told, once can feel something bubblinside - apparently the water that makes the steam that is measured as output. The Event: Rossi E Cat Demo
Live Demo of 1Mw Cold Fusion Reactor
As for the crimes, I confess that I have been convicted of far worse and have gone to county jail once, at 16. At the same time, I've been on Page 1 in the Reader's Digest (March 1968), was invited to the White House to see the President, took the Brazilian Ambasador to dinner, was on the Hollywood LAPD Community-Police Advisory Board and also won a landmark Supreme Court First Amendment case, Shea v. Reno; I go to church every Sunday and try very hard to be a good person .

Under the circumstances that have prevailed in Rossi's life, I can see how desperation might drive a brilliant man to finagle for wealth in ways the courts always forgave. They forgave me for breaking into a cigarette machine, too, and Gov. Henry Bellmon pardoned me when I was 19. With 30 others, I invented serious journalism on the Internet, which is no small thing, when we began the American Reporter in 1995. This man, identified as Domenico Fioravanti, acted on behalf of the buyer in the transaction that purchased the 1Mw E Cat reactor for an unknown price and trucked it away. An Olympic gold medalist shares the same name. A printed signature on the transaction document was crossed out but still partly visible. It seemed to spell the abbreviation for "Colonel." Photo: Matt Lewans/NyTeknik Perhaps, like me, Rossi is a different man today. His scientific colleagues and supporters are legion, and they seem to think so. There have been no entries for Rossi in the police blotter since 1997, 14 years ago, according to his major critic, who admits he is paid for his work but will not say who pays. No one pays for our work except Google AdSense, the Benson County Farmer's News and the Progressive Populist .

But I suspect the world will wait a long time for the A.P. story. It appears, at least, that we've all been cheated of progress once again. The test was for a customer - his first name was "Colonel" - who immediately hooked up the 20-ft container it was placed in and drove it away. It is the A.P., after all, with its thousands of news outlets around the globe, which can really tell the world what has happened .

Ironically, now just a day later, 1.7 million people are without power in the blizzard hitting the Northeast, the New York Times reports. It has no story on the Rossi device as a home heater because the AP didn't write one yet. After you purchase it, the Rossi device, which is intended for homes and factories, will supply electricity for free forever. The Internet gave the U.S. economy a helluva jolt, but the E Cat would also keep 1.7 million people - an awful lot of broke families and hungry children among them - from shivering through this long cold night .

The technology has been vetted by people as diverse as scientists of U.S. Navy space and warfare division, NASA Chief Scientist Dennis Bushnell, Nobel Laureate Brian Josephson, the chairman of the energy committee of the Swedish Royal Academy of Sciences - who helps name the Nobel Prize winner in several sciences - and even the head of the Swedish Skeptics Society, there has not been a peep out of the A.P. since .

This reporter, in fact, was warned by someone named Jerome on its national desk in the early hours of Saturday morning not to be too quick to believe an A.P. Reporter was there - although his name, Peter Svensson, and picture with other journalists appears on some of those sites tonight - and I was criticized for "driving A.P. coverage" of the event .

Since the E Cat is just as important as the invention of the radio, the Internet, the light bulb and the atom bomb, and since - as DOE spokesman Sean Murphy told reporters in 2009 about the device's fundamental element, hydrogen - so it can completely replace oil by 2050, this reporter thought he was doing the A.P. a favor when he called up their national desk and told them about it just 30 hours or so before the test .

Even the fact that the test was performed for an unidentified customer whose representative, a man named Domenico Fioravanti, after the demonstration immediately bought and paid for it (for an undisclosed sum), has not persuaded the A.P. to risk shame, scorn and the rage of oil companies to do its job and report on what it sent its science writer to see. The mysterious Colonel is not the guy who will do that .

Associated Press Science Editor Kit Frieden (kfrieden@ap.org) didn't answer her phone when we called, but I'll will bet you dollars to donuts 1,500 calls from A.P. members would not get her to budge .

"There are no conspiracies," an A.P. editor in London told me. We sure wonder. The reporter himself has blamed the lack of press on the scientist, Rossi, who is apparently a difficult guy to get along with. Remember this, inventors: cultivate a winning personality before you save the world with your invention, or it will die on the vine for lack of attention .

Murphy was not talking about cold fusion, then, just about hydrogen and how it will erode the trillions of dollars earned and billions in profits on which they pay they pay little or no tax .

The device that can do that, scientists and science writers and many more believe, is the cold fusion marvel Italian electrical engineer Andrea Rossi demonstrated all day long on Friday, before about 30 of them. When he immediately sold it, the University of Bologna in Italy, one of the oldest universities in the world, became the site of one of the greatest inventions in world history .

Even though it was my 3 a.m. call that got the A.P. writer sent to the demonstration, I had no stake other than deep interest in any part of it. My stake is humanity's stake: freedom from oil and all the loss, the wars and the terror it creates .

Please do your part to make certain the world finds out.






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To: Kevmo
Don’t forget that Rossi paid a fuel tax on what he sold, so the guvmint was complicit in allowing that it was a fuel in the first place.

I've got to wonder who in the government was pissed that he wasn't paid off or who it was outside the government who paid someone in the government to screw Rossi over. Didn't someone try something like this in Atlas Shrugged?
51 posted on 10/30/2011 4:37:24 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: count-your-change

What they have is a water heater, a tea kettle.
***Then you admit that it generated the heat it claimed to generate.


52 posted on 10/30/2011 4:37:27 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: aruanan

The article mentions a certain Italian Crime organization.


53 posted on 10/30/2011 4:38:26 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Kevmo

Knock off the personal attacks and seagull nonsense.


54 posted on 10/30/2011 4:38:43 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Moonman62

It appears that a relatively innocuous post responding to you was pulled.

This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.


55 posted on 10/30/2011 4:41:07 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Kevmo
To quote a recent article...

A genuine company, having taken delivery of such a thing, now belongs to the rare club that knows for a fact if this is real or not.

Oh, wow! It's a genuine company. That makes all the difference. I am now a believer!

Just one thing: What's the name of the "genuine company"? For that matter, what reason to we have to believe that it's a "genuine company"? Oh, yes, because Rossi said so.

56 posted on 10/30/2011 4:42:31 PM PDT by Johnny B.
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To: Kevmo

You never fail to deliver the gibberish, my friend.

Rather than answering my question, you’ve chosen to change the topic, which tells me that I’ve struck a nerve.

What was I asking again? Oh, yes, now I remember: so, about that fraudulent diploma Rossi proudly claims—why did you say it doesn’t matter? I forgot.


57 posted on 10/30/2011 4:44:38 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: Admin Moderator

I have posted to you (unanswered) that these guys accused me of promoting fraud. That is not a personal attack?


58 posted on 10/30/2011 4:44:48 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Kevmo
The article mentions a certain Italian Crime organization.

You mean, "You want to continue in business, pay us or we'll get our people in the government to screw you over"?
59 posted on 10/30/2011 4:45:30 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: dinodino

I have no desire to answer posts to you, only to have them removed.


60 posted on 10/30/2011 4:45:40 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: marron

“Since we don’t use oil to generate power for the grid, this is no threat to the oil companies. “

Natural gas.


61 posted on 10/30/2011 4:46:11 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Yes we Cain!)
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To: aruanan

Something like that.


62 posted on 10/30/2011 4:46:22 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Johnny B.

You tell me. Or did you not read the article?


63 posted on 10/30/2011 4:47:27 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Kevmo

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64 posted on 10/30/2011 4:47:39 PM PDT by jra
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To: Kevmo

Well, I’m very sorry that you wish to silence skeptical discussion of Andrea Rossi’s outlandish claims, rather than discuss them on the merits. Perhaps there is another discussion forum, one catering to perpetual motion and free energy scams, which would be more to your liking?


65 posted on 10/30/2011 4:48:26 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: count-your-change
And even the tiny bit of steam produced was useless for a turbine since what they called “steam” was just water vapor, steam is invisible and must be under pressure for a turbine.

What they have is a water heater, a tea kettle.

So they calculated energy output by measuring temp into the reactor, temp out and flow rate? That seems straightforward enough. Why not just shut off the output and let the water temp increase until you produce steam? If they truly have produced 475 Kw over 5 hours (95 Kwh or 324,000 BTU), that's more then enough energy to boil water. For crying out loud, you can boil water in a paper bag with a candle!

Regards,
GtG

PS BSME 45 years ago, enough thermodynamics to know there is no such thing as a free lunch. If this thing really works, prove it by demonstration or quit messing around with gullible people.

66 posted on 10/30/2011 4:49:27 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Kevmo

Not at all. And it is that sort of jumping to unwarranted conclusions that are the bulk of the hype about this device.

The whole point is that no one can demonstrate how any heat other than what was put in is produced.

What did the testing of the spent fuel demonstrate? When has a legit test been done?

Act III has yet to be written but the outlines are clear.


67 posted on 10/30/2011 4:50:32 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: dinodino

I have no desire to silence skeptical discussion. I just don’t like seagulls. You can understand that, can’t you?

I’ve been a freeper for a long time. Probably longer than the admin who removed my post. We used to have some very rough & tumble discussions. Now we can’t even use fun and innocuous insults from blogthings.

Why should I even answer posts that so distort the facts on the ground that they amount to lies? You couldn’t discuss Rossi’s claims on their own merits if it meant putting money in your pocket.


68 posted on 10/30/2011 4:53:31 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
Easiest route, Let an independent party run the test not Rossi and Friends.
69 posted on 10/30/2011 4:54:04 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Kevmo

How is pointing out the FACT that Rossi advertises a degree from a known diploma mill, which has been shut down, a “distort[ion of] the fact on the ground [so] that they amount to lies?”

Does Rossi claim the degree? YES. Is the degree bogus? YES. Was the so-called “university” shut down by the authorities? YES. This is black-and-white, unambiguous, objective fact.


70 posted on 10/30/2011 4:56:18 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: count-your-change

The whole point is that no one can demonstrate how any heat other than what was put in is produced.
***That evidence has been posted multiple times on LENR threads and it is just glossed over, usually by “it’s a fraud” type of comments.

What did the testing of the spent fuel demonstrate?
***It demonstrates how much fuel was burned. DUHH.

When has a legit test been done?
***There have been more than 14,700 replications of LENR, in particular the Pons-Fleischmann effect.


71 posted on 10/30/2011 4:57:43 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: dinodino

I have no desire to answer posts to you, only to have them removed.


72 posted on 10/30/2011 4:59:50 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Kevmo

And so it seems that Mr. Kevmo cannot stand the heat in his own kitchen. Numerous posters have brought to your attention the many problems with Rossi’s methods, as well as the educational fraud in Rossi’s biography.

You don’t like the message, so you would have the messengers shot and their posts removed. Sounds like censorship to me, and if you advocate censorship, this is probably the wrong forum for you.


73 posted on 10/30/2011 5:04:00 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: Kevmo

Refute their contentions on the thread. Just knock off the seagull nonsense. When you start off a thread with flame-baiting, guess what? You get a lot of flaming.


74 posted on 10/30/2011 5:15:18 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: dinodino

You don’t like the message, so you would have the messengers shot and their posts removed.
***You seem to have a reading comprehension problem. It was my post that was removed, as innocuous as a soft feathery useless flying animal reference.


75 posted on 10/30/2011 5:20:39 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Admin Moderator

Thank you.


76 posted on 10/30/2011 5:21:44 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Admin Moderator

If you review these LENR threads, you’ll see that we were getting flamed long before I started threads with seagull references.

If you had responded when you were pinged you could have avoided these supposed flames that so concern you.

At any rate, I do what I am told.


77 posted on 10/30/2011 5:29:05 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Kevmo
There have been more than 14,700 replications of LENR, in particular the Pons-Fleischmann effect.
Ah, I think I see the disconnect. You keep trying to insert into the discussion that Rossi is just one of the legitimate LENR researchers. He isn't. He's out to make a quick buck, er, Lira (I guess these days it's a quick Euro).

LENR (formerly "cold fusion") is a wonderful area for scam artists. For 20 years, researchers have been trying, without success, to develop a good theory or produce a solid, repeatable experiment. Everyone has heard of "cold fusion" but no one knows what it is.

Then, along comes Rossi who, not only has figured it all out, but is ready to build commercial generators. He has now spent almost a year generating all kinds of P.R. (which you have dutifully posted, ad nauseum, here), but hasn't allowed anyone to perform any serious tests on the device.

You said in an earlier thread that Rossi had a "five year backlog of orders" for his E-Cat device, which contradicts the many statements you and other believers have made that there's no possible scam because there are no potential victims. If your comment was correct, then it sounds like he has quite a list of people willing to give him money for something they may not get for 5 years or so (if ever). For a con artist, that's a "target rich environment".

78 posted on 10/30/2011 5:29:55 PM PDT by Johnny B.
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To: Kevmo

All you have to do to understand why the AP is unlikely to EVER cover the Rossi story, is to remember that the AP is now and has been owned by the Saudis for quite some time.


79 posted on 10/30/2011 5:32:54 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Kevmo
Rossi claims a nickel/hydrogen/secret catalyst process.
This has been tested 14,700 times? No.

When was the spent fuel on this 1 Mw unit tested? What was the result?

Without knowing exactly what the secret catalyst is no can reproduce the Rossi device process. But no one needs to, right? They have Rossi’s word!

80 posted on 10/30/2011 5:34:27 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Kevmo
I have no desire to answer posts to you, only to have them removed. Sorry, I guess with my poor reading comprehension, I took the above to mean you wanted MY posts removed. Did you really mean that you wanted YOUR OWN posts removed? Please clarify, as I wish to improve my reading comprehension...
81 posted on 10/30/2011 5:36:40 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: Kevmo

“I have no desire to answer posts to you, only to have them removed.”

Go start your own blog somewhere else if you do not like FR’s forum format; you post, we comment. Blogging every blog entry from Rossi’s blog does not a Free Republic make. He is insignificant to our nation and our politics. This is the wrong forum to try to continue to tout Rossi. If he makes a significant scientific finding that impacts this nation, fine, but until then you are just blog pimping for Rossi.


82 posted on 10/30/2011 5:37:30 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

It’s enough to make an inventor want to start his own peer-reviewed journal, I tellya.

There’s a reason why the first scientific article about the Wright brothers appeared in a beekeeping journal rather than Scientific American. American reporters are lemmings.


83 posted on 10/30/2011 5:38:01 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: kingu
"Okie, well, that certainly addressed calculations of subtracting W(e) from W(t) and wondering if we'd ever see some data about the quality of steam produced."

The whole "steam quality" issue is a gigantic red herring. There WAS no "steam quality issue". The instrumentation used to determine steam quality was quite capable of doing so, and the critics that are saying it isn't are simply wrong. And then there was the "no-steam" experiment, which should have settled the issue......for some reason, THAT experiment is simply ignored.

84 posted on 10/30/2011 5:41:30 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Johnny B.

Ah, I think I see the disconnect. You keep trying to insert into the discussion that Rossi is just one of the legitimate LENR researchers. He isn’t.
***Oh yes he is. I was posting LENR articles before he arrived on the scene. It is the Rossi detractors who are trying to insert that he is NOT one of a long line of legitimate LENR researchers.

Some squawkish FReepers only know LENR from what they’ve heard through the lens of Rossi’s developments. They are too lazy to come up to speed on the facts. Simple facts, like those 14,700 replications.


85 posted on 10/30/2011 5:43:14 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: count-your-change

Rossi claims the ability to catalyze the Ni-H LENR process, which dates back to the Pons-Fleischmann days. That same effect which has been replicated more than 14,700 times.


86 posted on 10/30/2011 5:45:43 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: American in Israel
"So he runs a large generator in the back to "heat the room" and his Nuclear Reactor creates 475 thousand watts of power that goes... where?"

The reporter who said that was simply wrong. The sole purpose of the genset was to provide power to the E-Cat unit, mostly to power that startup heaters in the individual E-cats. It had nothing to do with "heating the room".

"Why not go to a room heater? Other than the fact it would make a small building burn down from the heat. A half a megawatt of power is a Whole lot of heat. Now you can't just generate a half a megawatt and ignore it, you HAVE to use it or you can't measure it. Normally you would just place a resistive load on it to dispel it as... heat. Yet the room is still cold!"

The E-cat container, genset, and all supporting apparatus was OUTDOORS. The heat was dispelled into the air by means of (I think three) very large heat exchangers, which you can see if you watch the videos. You do NOT want any part of that rig inside the building for safety reasons.

87 posted on 10/30/2011 5:46:02 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Kevmo
Some squawkish FReepers only know LENR from what they’ve heard through the lens of Rossi’s developments. They are too lazy to come up to speed on the facts. Simple facts, like those 14,700 replications.

Why don't you post your source for those replications?

88 posted on 10/30/2011 5:50:01 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: CodeToad

I was posting LENR threads before Rossi showed up. 90% of these naysayers have only been around since Rossi. I do not necessarily tout Rossi, I tout LENR. Not that I expect any of the usual suspects to be able to distinguish the difference.

If he makes a significant scientific finding that impacts this nation, fine, but until then you are just blog pimping for Rossi
***That is one, beautiful FReeping statement. /s So if Rossi turns out to be right, it was okay for all these squawkers to do their business on these threads because they didn’t know he was right and if Rossi turns out to be wrong it was okay for all these squawkers to do their business on these threads and I was supposedly blog pimping.


89 posted on 10/30/2011 5:51:52 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Moonman62

I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. You are not worth the keystrokes and removed posts.


90 posted on 10/30/2011 5:53:38 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
"So they calculated energy output by measuring temp into the reactor, temp out and flow rate? That seems straightforward enough. Why not just shut off the output and let the water temp increase until you produce steam? If they truly have produced 475 Kw over 5 hours (95 Kwh or 324,000 BTU), that's more then enough energy to boil water. For crying out loud, you can boil water in a paper bag with a candle!"

I suggest you look at the actual reports issued from the various demos. Checking the videos also helps. There is a lot of info available that is basically being "blockaded by FUD" from a community of knee-jerk naysayers. I suggest starting at the LENR/CANR website. Pay particular attention to the third experiment (no-steam, high flow, fifteen hours test).

91 posted on 10/30/2011 5:56:45 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Kevmo

Listen, Rossi hasn’t produced sh*t for proof. You have done nothing but clutter FR with one useless thread about nothing after another, insulted FReepers with far greater education and experience than you could possibly ever hope to have about the subject, all the while posting about Rossi this and Rossi that, all of which has said exactly nothing. There has been nothing buy hype from Rossi and you. No additional facts, no additional proof, no additional anything. Nothing. You hang on to his every breath as though it is the most important subject on the planet and you get pissed when we are not a stupid, ignorant, or gullible as you and follow along.

Get a life.


92 posted on 10/30/2011 5:58:46 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: CodeToad

Rossi said 10 months ago that he was going to demo a 1MW LENR steam plant on October 28, for a customer who would buy it if satisfied. He did that, at least to the point of a satisfied customer.

If you do not like my threads, DON’T READ THEM. I was posting LENR threads before Rossi came along.

And you are right, I have run across quite a few FReepers with more education than me and I am amazed at how many of them couldn’t pass a freshman level critical thinking class. amazed.

If Rossi has a legitimate process, then this subject IS very important.

So, then, since I’ll be posting more LENR threads I guess it is just gonna suck to be you until you figure out where the ‘ignore’ button on your keyboard is.


93 posted on 10/30/2011 6:06:40 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Kevmo

You really are an idiot. We’ll just keep posting to your silly threads. You can just keep having hissy fits about that. You post, we reply. Tough noogies if you don’t like it. We’re not going to let you impugn the reputation of FReepers by not responding to your crazy threads of fraud. The last thing I want is to have someone say FReepers are gullible and believed Rossi scam. We don’t. You do.


94 posted on 10/30/2011 6:12:56 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Kevmo

The claimed nickel/hydrogen/secret catalyst or the Pons-Fleischman process. Or are you combining the two?

Where does that 14,700 figure come from?


95 posted on 10/30/2011 6:15:37 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: CodeToad

I don’t have a problem with you ... ahh, FRiendly FlyingRat Freepers... posting on ‘my’ threads. I have a problem with you guys using logical fallacies, posting & running,not coming up to speed on facts, basic squawking, normal troll techniques, and then crying to the mods over innocuous comments.

For instance: You say that I am an idiot. This is a personal attack. Why is it that this post remains but one that says someone is a seagull is removed?

Why is it that you guys are SO CONVINCED it is a scam but contribute NOTHING to the knowledge base for revealing it as a scam?

How to Prove that the Rossi/Focardi eCAT LENR is Real (or Fake)
LENR.QUMBO.com ^ | April 6, 2011 | Alan Fletcher
Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2011 7:52:15 PM by Kevmo
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2730401/posts

It is because you have a different agenda other than what you claim. The mods fell for the ruse.


96 posted on 10/30/2011 6:27:31 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: count-your-change

Let’s see. Maybe you have a reading comprehension problem or something. I’ll try again.

Rossi claims the ability to catalyze the Ni-H LENR process, which dates back to the Pons-Fleischmann days. That same effect which has been replicated more than 14,700 times.


97 posted on 10/30/2011 6:28:54 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Kevmo

You just described Rossi and yourself. No facts, just name calling and diversions.

You just keep posting about your boy Rossi, the felon with a history of fraud and how this is not fraud this time. Yeah, right. Even his patent was rejected for not being of a sound scientific and logical basis.

We contributed plenty as to how this is a scam. Unfortunately for you, you lack even a basic scientific knowledge, even of the junior high school kind.

You lack business knowledge to understand product development and how he is violating every sound principle of business but follows the very pattern of a scam.

Your gullibility has lead you to be hostile to such reasoning and experience. Instead, you are just cock sure this is not a scam even though you have not one single solitary fact yo back you up. Well, you are exactly the type of feeble minded person he neeeds to make money; someone with an emotion desire but without any non-emotional reasoning. Someone that he could give any excuse to and get his way.


98 posted on 10/30/2011 6:33:42 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Kevmo; count-your-change

So, there are two of us with reading comprehension problems? Let me try it another way, Kevmo:

Please cite your source for the 14,700 replications of cold fusion you mentioned twice in recent posts.

Also, you never explained whose posts you wanted removed. You accused me of failure to comprehend your posts. Did you really mean to say you want my posts removed? If not, what did you mean?


99 posted on 10/30/2011 6:34:17 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: Kevmo

It was a simple question. Why not just say if you’re going to say anything instead of

“Maybe you have a reading comprehension problem or something”?


100 posted on 10/30/2011 6:42:51 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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