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Is Putative President Barack Hussein Obama II Really Bari Shabazz, Fugitive from Justice?
Obama release Your Records ^ | November 7, 2011 | Mario Apuzzo, Esq.

Posted on 11/08/2011 11:57:50 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

On November 2, 2011, I published an article entitled and asking the question, “Is Barack Hussein Obama II Really Bâri′ M. Shabazz, Born October 28, 1959 in New York City? ”, accessed at here. The basis of the question that I asked came from a November 2, 2011 breaking story published by Martha Trowbridge entitled, “Bâri′, Barry, Barack, accessed at here. In her article, Ms. Trowbridge’s contends that putative President Barack Hussein Obama II’s real name is Bâri′ M. Shabazz and that his date of birth is October 28, 1959, and his social security number is 084-54-5926. She says he was born in New York City. She adds that he was born with the name Bâri′ M. Shabazz. She also says that to be able to enter the political world, Bâri′ M. Shabazz had to change his birth identity and take on a new one which became Barack Hussein Obama II.

Ms. Trowbridge says: “We know this: Bâri′ M. Shabazz was assigned social security number 084-54-5926, issued in New York, in 1974.”

Ms. Trowbridge has found that the Social Security Death Index shows: “SHABAZZ, B M 28 Oct 1959 Aug 1994 (V) 34 (PE) (none specified) New York 084-54-5926.” From this, one would think that Bâri′ died in August 1994. But no, Ms. Trowbridge informs that only his identity was made “dead.” The real person continued to live and that person became “Barack Hussein Obama II.” Note how she explains that the “death” of Bâri′ was only reported by someone (“V” or “Verified”) and that the person did not present any valid death certificate (“P” or “Proof).

What’s more Ms. Trowbridge explains that “[o]nce in the federal system, the [death] record was flagged as ‘PE’, meaning that an inconsistency exists between what was reported and what was recorded in the government’s files.”

Finally, and the most shocking part of her report is that Ms. Trowbridge contends that Bâri′ M. Shabazz is the biological son of Malcolm X. Hence, if Barack Hussein Obama II is the same person as Bâri′ M. Shabazz, that would make putative President Obama the biological son of Malcolm X.

On November 4, 2011, an anonymous source emailed me something very interesting. To substantiate the content of the email, the writer directed me to go to a web site of the Judiciary for the State of Hawaii and to do a search of cases that have been disposed of by that State’s traffic courts. The anonymous source had done just that and so the person provided me with the information which that traffic court shows on its web site.

I did go to the Hawaii traffic court’s web site which is called eCourt Kokua and I was eventually able to confirm the information that the anonymous source sent me. Access to the court’s web set may be gained by going to http://jimspss1.courts.state.hi.us:8080/eCourt/ECC/ECCDisclaimer.iface;jsessionid=FDFF513AA90109AC4375A7CBE7C8AF36. Once at the site, click “Agree” to the terms and conditions. Then click, “Search for case details by case ID or citation number.” Once there, enter at the prompt, Case ID or Citation Number(*): 1193041MO and hit Search.” The following report appears: (Click each image to enlarge)

What do these reports say and what questions does they raise? The Case ID is 1193041 MO. The name of the case is State v. Bari Shabazz which was a non-jury case. The case is characterized as a “Traffic Crime,” with a “REPORT number W50100.” The offense occurred on March 12, 1982. The charging police officer is Duane Masayuki Espinueva. The event is characterized as an “Accident Major.” The charge was driving without a valid driver’s license. The case was first filed on Tuesday, March 16, 1982, in the First Circuit, located at Kane’Ohe Division. I checked and this court is located at 45-939 Pookela Street, Kaneohe, HI 96744 . The case was continued to April 5, 1982.

The record also shows that Bari Shabazz was supposed to be arraigned and enter a plea on April 5, 1982, at 8:30 a.m., in Kane’ohe Traffic Court, Courtroom B, at the Kane’ohe Division. The case was continued to May 5, 1982.

On May 5, 1982, at 8:00 a.m., Bari Shabazz was supposed to again be arraigned and enter his plea in the same court room. He apparently did not appear and so the court issued a bench warrant on May 5, 1982, bearing number “BWO 050582.” It appears as though the court set bail at $25.00. The record also shows the entry of “HONDA,” maybe meaning that Bari Shabazz was driving a Honda or that the prosecutor’s name was “HONDA.” The next entry is for May 5, 1982, at 8:30 a.m. The court ordered the “AP” (maybe meaning accused person) to show proof of “NEW YORK DRIVER’S LICENSE.”

The report then shows that the prosecutor on April 9, 2003, filed an ex parte motion to recall the bench warrant and announced on the record “nolle prosequi.” This is a Latin phrase which is formally entered into a court record which means that the prosecutor in a criminal case “will no further prosecute” the case. The motion was listed as “NP [nolle prosequi] 040903.” So, the charge was dismissed upon the prosecutor’s ex parte “Nolle Prosequi” motion made on April 9, 2003. “Ex parte” means that only one side made the application which in this case was the prosecutor.

The final entry was for October 30, 2005, at 8:00 a.m., when the court noted that a $-0- balance was owed, but said “Pls check.”

This information raises the following questions:

1. Is the Bari Shabazz named in this traffic court report the same person Ms. Trowbridge calls “Bâri′ M. Shabazz” in her report and who is listed as “B M Shabazz” in the Social Security Death Index? If it is the same person, then that puts New Yorker Bâri′ M. Shabazz in Honolulu County, Hawaii, on March 12, 1982. Using a date of birth of October 28, 1959, this would have made Bâri′ M. Shabazz 22 years old at the time that he had this major automobile accident in Honolulu County.

2. The accident is characterized as a major accident. Chances are that Bari Shabazz and/or any passenger was taken to a local hospital in Honolulu County due to his/their injuries. If Bari Shabazz suffered any major injuries or laceration, the physical signs of those injuries and/or lacerations could still be present somewhere on his body if he is still alive.

3. Bari Shabazz was charged with driving without a driver’s license. The court ordered him to show proof of his New York driver’s license. Hence, Bari Shabazz must have told the charging police officer or the court that he did have a driver’s license and that it was one issued by the State of New York. Hence, Bari Shabazz must have been a resident of the State of New York. Note that Ms. Trowbridge said that Bâri′ M. Shabazz was born in New York City. Also, what was Bari Shabazz doing driving in Hawaii with what should have been a New York driver’s license? Was he now living in Hawaii? Was he there on vacation? Was he there visiting family or friends? Was he going to school there?

4. On April 9, 2003, the prosecutor filed a motion to recall the bench warrant, to terminate prosecution, and close the case. Why would this case come to the attention of some local prosecutor 21 years following the initial violation of March 12, 1982? A local prosecutor does not just go looking for cases that are 21 years old and file motions to dismiss those cases. Someone must have asked that local prosecutor to dismiss the case so that the arrest warrant was cleared from the court’s and nation’s computer system.

5. Ms. Trowbridge shows that Bâri′ M. Shabazz, according to the Social Security Death Index, died in August 1994. If Bâri′ M. Shabazz is the same person as is listed in this Hawaii auto accident as Bari Shabazz, why would someone care to recall his arrest warrant on April 9, 2003 or almost 9 years after his death? Surely, it could not be Bâri′ M. Shabazz who was interested since he had been dead since 1994. On the other hand, if he was not dead he would be interested.

6. On October 30, 2005, or 23 years following the date of the accident of March 12, 1982, the court again re-visits the case of Bari Shabazz, noting that he did not owe the court any money but to “Pls. check.” Why would the court again concern itself with this case on that date, especially if Bari Shabazz was dead since 1994?

7. So, is the Bari Shabazz named in this Hawaii traffic court report the same person Ms. Trowbridge calls “Bâri′ M. Shabazz” in her report and who is listed as “B M Shabazz” in the Social Security Death Index? That question surely merits an investigation. If he is, then that puts the New-York-born Bâri′ M. Shabazz in Honolulu County, Hawaii, the alleged birth place and once place of residence of putative President, Barack Hussein Obama II. Given what Ms. Trowbridge has concluded in her report, that is a circumstantial piece of evidence that is surely worth investigating. What also supports Ms. Trowbridge’s position that Bâri′ M. Shabazz really did not die in August 1994 and that he is still alive as Barack Hussein Obama II is that the traffic court in Hawaii was still acting on the Bari Shabazz traffic case 9 and 11 years after the alleged death in August 1994 of Bâri′ M. Shabazz. What needs to be investigated is why the local prosecutor and court took those actions so many years after the traffic accident and at whose behest.

8. Finally, when there is an auto accident, the police do a detailed accident report. That report includes the name, addresses, date of birth, and social security number of the person involved in the accident who is charged for that accident. The driver’s license number is also included if that license is produced or otherwise verified. A physical description of the defendant is also included. The make of auto, including the year made and VIN number are also included, along with statements of witnesses. There could be a photograph of the defendant in the police record. A thorough investigation of this matter would surely include searching the police record in Honolulu County for this report so that this information may be examined and evaluated.

Mario Apuzzo, Esq. November 7, 2011 http://puzo1.blogspot.com


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: assassination; barishabazz; birthcertificate; birther; certifigate; hawaiicourts; headinjuryscar; identityfraud; malcolmx; naturalborncitizen; obama; paranoia; shabazz
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To: edge919

Barack Obama was once a citizen of Kenya. You read that right, Obama had Kenyan citizenship until 1982. Here is the startling admission published in Fight the Smears (emphasis mine):

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4, 1982.”

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/09/29/fight-smears-website-admits-obama-was-kenyan-citizen-wheres-msm#ixzz1dHRNDPV9


151 posted on 11/09/2011 10:20:43 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: patriot08; All
Thanks for that link to the book - reads MUCH better!


152 posted on 11/09/2011 11:40:23 PM PST by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: Future Useless Eater

“THAT’s why we ended up with McCain, and that’s why we could (heaven forbid) also end up with Romney. “

Dude. The GOP will betray you.
Or rather, they have been betraying us and will continue to do so until we install truly conservative super-majorities in the House and Senate. Holding breath. . .

@%!$!!!!


153 posted on 11/10/2011 1:21:36 AM PST by Flotsam_Jetsome (Larry Sinclair: The Original "Stimulus Package")
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To: PA-RIVER

“A president with a BC that is a computer driven cut and paste collage is an insult to free people. It tells us the truth is unbearable.”

Oh well, who is John Galt?


154 posted on 11/10/2011 2:39:40 AM PST by Flotsam_Jetsome (Larry Sinclair: The Original "Stimulus Package")
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To: maine-iac7

;)


155 posted on 11/10/2011 3:37:30 AM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: SatinDoll
Even in the odd chance that there could have been a massive conspiracy to pass off Bari Shabazz (heretofore unknown son of Malcolm X and Betty Shabazz) for a dead Barack Hussein Obama II/Barry Soetero, how would you explain the fact that President Obama looks so much like Stanley Armour Dunham unless Obama was his biological grandson? In my opinion, any theory that assumes that Barack Obama is not a direct descendant of Stanley Armour Dunham is a non-starter.
156 posted on 11/10/2011 6:53:45 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: little jeremiah
Stanley Ann is irrelevant at this point, as far as motherhood.

I thought she was rather odd as a mother anyway. How old was Obama when she brought him back from Indonesia and dropped him in her parents lap and left?

157 posted on 11/10/2011 9:46:27 AM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Netizen
How old was Obama when she brought him back

That is the $64 question.

158 posted on 11/10/2011 10:25:52 AM PST by GregNH (Re-Elect "No Body")
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To: GregNH

I found it, he was 10.


159 posted on 11/10/2011 11:51:39 AM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: All

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160 posted on 11/10/2011 12:17:57 PM PST by Maverick68
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To: Netizen

Go here and read 21 and 22 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2801934/posts?page=21#21


161 posted on 11/10/2011 12:57:50 PM PST by GregNH (Re-Elect "No Body")
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To: justiceseeker93

Can you please add me to your ping list? I’m interested in this Shabazz topic. butterdezillion will vouch for me. Thanks.


162 posted on 11/10/2011 1:21:40 PM PST by Greenperson
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To: Greenperson

I hope! :)


163 posted on 11/10/2011 1:25:39 PM PST by Greenperson
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To: TLI

bflr


164 posted on 11/10/2011 1:58:45 PM PST by freebird5850 (Of course Obama loves his country...it's just that Cain loves mine!)
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To: GregNH

What a confusing mess. Now my question is why did she basically abandon Obama at her parents house? I always thought she brought him back to Hawaii after she divorced Soetero. But she divorced Soetero two years after leaving Obama at her parents. Why didn’t she want him in Indonesia anymore?


165 posted on 11/10/2011 2:08:40 PM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Netizen

Because she wasn’t his mother. As to why the Dunhams took him in, who knows?


166 posted on 11/10/2011 3:25:43 PM PST by JoeA (JoeA / Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est)
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To: JoeA; 2ndDivisionVet

There is only one explanation.
Barack Hussein Obama II is ... “Rosemary’s Baby”!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063522/


167 posted on 11/10/2011 4:57:47 PM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Netizen

Not so fast.

The available data points indicate Obama was 10 in 3 different years.

1969 Christmas season: The Scott Inoue 3rd Grade picture

http://joytiz.com/2009/obama-ten-year-old-third-grader/

1970 Obama mets mentor Frank Marshall Davis for first time - when he was TEN.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/2601914/Frank-Marshall-Davis-alleged-Communist-was-early-influence-on-Barack-Obama.html

“While his mother was in Indonesia during part of his teenage years, Mr Obama lived with his white grandparents. Mrs Weatherly-Williams said that the poet was first introduced to the future Democratic presidential candidate in 1970 at the age of 10. “

1971 - if the timeline is correct this is the year Obama turns 10. On August 4, 1971.

Of course in 1969 and 1970 and most of 1971 Obama II was supposed to be in Indonesia. He returns to Hawaii only in October of 1971.


168 posted on 11/10/2011 7:07:51 PM PST by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: Future Useless Eater; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; ...
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Check out # 86 , then see addendum at # 149.

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169 posted on 11/10/2011 7:42:47 PM PST by LucyT
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; ...
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Still trying to catch up...

After reading article (above) and previous ping, see # 51 , # 66 , # 77 .

Then, # 85 , # 96 , # 117 .

Wait! There's more!

Check out # 130 , # 135 , # 151 , # 168 .

(Thanks again for all the pings.)

170 posted on 11/10/2011 7:58:38 PM PST by LucyT
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Bari Shabazz supposedly died in 1994. If he was truly dead, why would someone want to close his Hawaiian accident file Twenty-one ( 21 ) years after it occurred?

Who, and why did someone find it necessary Twenty-one years after his 1982 car accident in HAWAII where he didn’t appear in court, and a bench warrant was issued for him, why would someone want a Dead Man's Court Case closed in 2003?

Inquiring minds want to know.

171 posted on 11/10/2011 8:22:06 PM PST by LucyT
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To: AuH2ORepublican

He doesn’t look like Stanley Ann. Once you realize that “Dreams” is written as an advertisement, propganda backstory to a fake life, and take a close look at Zero and Stanley Ann’s photos, they don’t look alike.

But he does look remarkably like MX.


172 posted on 11/10/2011 8:34:40 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

3rd grade photo in 1969, looks like he is 10.


173 posted on 11/10/2011 8:49:43 PM PST by MacSuibhne
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To: LucyT
"Who, and why did someone find it necessary Twenty-one years after his 1982 car accident in HAWAII where he didn’t appear in court, and a bench warrant was issued for him, why would someone want a Dead Man's Court Case closed in 2003?"

"Inquiring minds want to know."

Just a guess, but it is possible that the court finally found out this person was dead and then cleared it out of the active records.

174 posted on 11/10/2011 9:08:39 PM PST by Spunky (Sarah Palin on Polls "Poles are for Strippers and Cross Country Skiers")
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To: Spunky

It’s a possibilty, not that I know anything about it, but I can imagine that cases which have exceeded the statute of limitations, might regularly be removed from the record.


175 posted on 11/10/2011 11:04:53 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Holy Shi’ite!


176 posted on 11/10/2011 11:50:14 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Holy Shi’ite!


177 posted on 11/10/2011 11:50:17 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: SvenMagnussen

Is that the missing Jimmy Hoffa?


178 posted on 11/10/2011 11:54:33 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: little jeremiah

I didn’t say Stanley Ann, I said Stanley Armour Dunham, Stanley Ann’s father. Obama’s a dead ringer for his grandfather.

And, no, I don’t think that Obama looks “remarkably like Malcolm X,” anymore than he “looks like” any other tall, thin mulatto (one could take pictures of other tall, thin mulattoes and similarly produce videos in which a picture of Obama “turns into” a picture of the other mulatto). The similarities between pictures of Obama and Malcolm X are superficial, while the similarities between Obama and Stanley Armour Dunham are the kind that you find among a grandson that takes after his grandfather.

The only way that Malcolm X could be an ancestor of Obama’s is if (i) Malcolm X was Stanley Armour Dunham’s son (ha!), (ii) Obama was the son of Stanley Armour Dunham and one of Malcolm X’s daughters (double ha!), or (iii) Malcolm X impregnated Stanley Ann Dunham (which is highly unlikely, but not impossible).

I don’t know if Barack Hussein Obama I was really Obama’s biological father (he certainly wasn’t a “father” in the sense of someone who cared about and helped raise his son), but if he wasn’t it is likely that Obama’s biological father was someone darker-skinned, and living in closer proximity to Stanley Ann Dunham, than Malcolm X.


179 posted on 11/11/2011 2:21:14 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: Future Useless Eater
Black Panther Party Member, Bari Shabazz. President of the USA. AKA, Soebarkah, Obama, Dunham, Soetoro. Just another ALIAS.

Drug mule and BPP cash mule. Joins the party in California. Starts running drugs from Hawaii to LA to NYC to Miami and back. Smashes car in Hawaii. Gives his ALIAS.

We know he was a druggie in high school. Its absurd to think he stopped cold turkey on graduation day. More likely, he moved up the drug chain in an outfit that he felt comfortable in. The BPP required an ALIAS. Shabazz was born in his BPP days as a drug courier.

This is why the BPP was not prosecuted. This is why he is so comfortable being near them. He was spawned by the BPP.

180 posted on 11/11/2011 2:41:28 AM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: AuH2ORepublican
I thought his illegal Aunt Zettini could pass for his mother. His Brother Mark is also very similar in appearance.

I think Obama Sr. is his Father. I think the Shabazz thing may just be another alias that has been stumbled into by coincidence.

Our president went underground during his early college days for a reason. The BPP and BLA were very real, and very attractive to young men like Barry in 1979. Im convinced he was a soldier. Joann Chesimard was in NYC when Obama was there. Cocaine and Smack, BPP and Bari. Barry had a drug history back in Hawaii. He also had a yearning to be an authentic black man and a contempt for whites. Drugs and BPP fills many voids for Barry in his journey to manhood. Somehow, Chesimard is smuggled out of the country to Cuba while Obama is in NYC, coming of age. An exciting time for a young black man coming to terms with his black identity, and in all likelihood high on cocaine most of the time. Sometime In 1980 to 1984, Druggie Obama is in NYC searching out Radicals. He found them. He now employs them.

181 posted on 11/11/2011 3:20:51 AM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: LucyT

I do believe somebody is starting to release some historical morsels about the person saying they are Barack Hussein Obama.

Not quite diversionary like certain Kenya birth documents or the birth registration from Hawaii that shows on line 23 that it was his grandmother that “registered” the Kenya born baby in Honolulu.

So I guess Obama is now possibly a “cold case” file, would be interesting if there was a felony involved, do statue of limitations apply here?


182 posted on 11/11/2011 3:48:57 AM PST by Eye of Unk (E-Cat is the future, unless we want to live in the past.)
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To: JoeA

I’m not convinced that she wasn’t, but I’m not convinced that she was either.

Obama resembles her a lot and looks a lot like her father as well, so, I’m not sure what to make of the whole thing.


183 posted on 11/11/2011 4:58:02 AM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: bluecat6
The available data points indicate Obama was 10 in 3 different years.

As far as I know, he could only be 10 in two different years.

1969 Christmas season: The Scott Inoue 3rd Grade picture

So, if his birthday is August 4 and he turned 10 in 1969, he can be 10.

1970 Obama meets mentor Frank Marshall Davis for first time - when he was TEN.

When did this take place. If it happened before August 4 of 1970, then Obama would still be 10.

“While his mother was in Indonesia during part of his teenage years, Mr Obama lived with his white grandparents. Mrs Weatherly-Williams said that the poet was first introduced to the future Democratic presidential candidate in 1970 at the age of 10. “

Same as above, if this happened before August 4, 1970, Obama would still be 10. Do we know where the above happened?

1971 - if the timeline is correct this is the year Obama turns 10. On August 4, 1971. Of course in 1969 and 1970 and most of 1971 Obama II was supposed to be in Indonesia. He returns to Hawaii only in October of 1971.

The dates are a mess. Not to throw a new monkey wrench into the works, but is it possible that she was pregnant at 16 and was sent off to friends/relatives in Chicago to have the baby? Or at the very least, that she was pregnant earlier than they claimed, so they had to fudge the dates? Just wondering.

184 posted on 11/11/2011 5:13:50 AM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Netizen

The first two are definitely in direct conflict with the supposed accepted timeline of a August 4, 1961 birth.

Based on that he would be 10 from August 4, 1971 to August 3, 1972.

He would not be ten in 1969 or 1970.

Yes, the dates are a mess. Usually that happens when the stories are made up.


185 posted on 11/11/2011 6:07:03 AM PST by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: bluecat6

Yet he looks older than 10 in 1969. Were Inoue and Obama in the same grade?


186 posted on 11/11/2011 6:15:03 AM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Big Giant Head

Ping to my beloved conspiracy guy. :)


187 posted on 11/11/2011 6:49:47 AM PST by Marie Antoinette (Proud Clinton-hater since 1998.)
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To: Netizen

They were supposed to be in 3rd grade.

Here is the best attempt to map the timelines.

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=188801

I has an image of the original photo with Inoue’s mothers hand writing on it. It is clearly the Christmas Season as Christmas decorations can be seen in the background.

Here is another link with ‘fairytale version’.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_and_career_of_Barack_Obama

During the 1969 - 1970 school year Obama was supposed to be in Catholic school in Jakarta. The article also claims Obama would spend summers with his Grandparents in Hawaii. That is strange. Why? And who paid for it if you did? Maybe it was part of the SAD/SAS’s payment to be in Indonesia with the spooks.

The article on him meeting FMD for the first time was interesting. It says they first met in 1970. And maybe Obama II was traveling back to Hawaii as the wiki article says but the age would still off from the ‘fairytale version’. In 1970 Obama would be 8/9. He would not be 10 until August - 1971.


188 posted on 11/11/2011 7:47:35 AM PST by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: bluecat6

Maybe the 1969 photo was Obama visiting the Hawaii school while he was visiting for Christmas? Sometimes parents do that so kids can see their old friends/classmates?


189 posted on 11/11/2011 8:06:05 AM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sorry, guys but the file activity 20 years later is normal. Govt agencies don’t keep files active forever, they have a shelf life determined by the file’s RDA (Records Disposition Act) form. Old inactive files are regularly closed and archived after a set number of years, and that’s what I’m seeing here, with a normal delay between the legal case file closure and the fiscal verification of debt release. But, on another note, WTF is up with Barry Soetero still using that bogus Connecticut SSN ???


190 posted on 11/13/2011 5:09:26 AM PST by thatdewd (Palin - Cain 2012)
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To: Netizen; LucyT
...The dates are a mess. Not to throw a new monkey wrench into the works, but is it possible that she was pregnant at 16 and was sent off to friends/relatives in Chicago to have the baby? Or at the very least, that she was pregnant earlier than they claimed, so they had to fudge the dates? Just wondering.

If the date of her birthday in November, 1942 is correct, and IF she was pregnant at 16, that would make it 1958...when she was supposedly at Mercer Island High School, and the kenyan student had not yet arrived in Hawaii, which arrival is dated June, 1959.

There is reference in 'Dreams' however, that in the summer (we assume 1958) when 'I was only 16 then' she worked as an au pair in Chicago. 'Au Pair' is just a fancy european word for Nanny.

But you are right, none of the dates add up.

191 posted on 11/13/2011 3:17:58 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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192 posted on 11/13/2011 3:42:51 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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...The dates are a mess. Not to throw a new monkey wrench into the works, but is it possible that she was pregnant at 16 and was sent off to friends/relatives in Chicago to have the baby?

Or at the very least, that she was pregnant earlier than they claimed, so they had to fudge the dates? Just wondering.

If the date of her birthday in November, 1942 is correct, and IF she was pregnant at 16, that would make it 1958... when she was supposedly at Mercer Island High School, and the kenyan student had not yet arrived in Hawaii, which arrival is dated June, 1959.

There is reference in 'Dreams' however, that in the summer (we assume 1958) when 'I was only 16 then' she worked as an au pair in Chicago.

'Au Pair' is just a fancy European word for Nanny.

But you are right, none of the dates add up.

. . . . Please begin at # 184 , and read to end of page.

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193 posted on 11/13/2011 5:02:14 PM PST by LucyT
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To: LucyT

This is really messing with my brain. All the dates, places, etc. are so screwed up that even hussein wouldn’t know the truth if it finally surfaced.


194 posted on 11/13/2011 5:19:11 PM PST by azishot
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To: azishot

Billy Ayers and Bernadette did the best they could through their drug soaked haze.


195 posted on 11/13/2011 7:25:26 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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The available data points indicate Obama was 10 in 3 different years. As far as I know, he could only be 10 in two different years. 1969 Christmas season: The Scott Inoue 3rd Grade picture

The timeline issues are significant in identifying who he really is. But this isn't the professional way to approach the question.

You need to start with the dates and places where you know where he is or was--Christmas 1969 and the third grade are almost certainly accurate--you know he was there on that date.

You need to be careful with the class pictures. It looks to me as though the Kindergarten picture in Hawaii is almost certainly fake--he wasn't there. That's one of those places where the creator of the legend though he needed to be in Hawaii at that point and he was not.

With respect to the school year dates, you need to know when the school year starts and how long it lasts. It appears that the schools in Indonesia ran on a calendar year, not a September start year.

Application of those two propositions will reconcile some of the inconsistencies but not all of them.

Then, in looking at the school and age timeline questions, you have to be struck by the proposition that every year, he is one of the largest and most mature kids in his class until he gets out to the 20-21 year age bracket where the rest of the kids have caught up with him--then, he is 6'1" which is 2.8" above average height but not the six or eight inches you see in the younger classes.

That isn't conclusive either but it suggests the August 4, 1961 date may not be his in fact birthday.

Another issue you need to understand in looking at the dates--apparently the Moslems have a little different view about birth dates. So we need to remember that we call birth the date of delivery; the date the umbilical cord is cut. And when we calculate age and birthday's, that is the date we are talking about.

The Chinese and some Moslem cults count age from the conception date. I believe that some belief systems use what they want to believe is a real calculated conception date. In the modern world, in China, the system in use assumes a child is a year old three months after the delivery date.

I believe it is almost certain on the current record that zero is in fact the Bar-i Malick Shabazz who has been identified. On that basis (and on the basis of other facts not presently in the record) I also accept the identification of Malcolm X (MX) as his father.

The October 1959 date identified as a birth date by Trowbridge is off Social Security records which in turn are prepared from the initial filing--a form filled out by the applicant which is not authenticated in any way.

So in 1973 when zero filled this form out, he had an incentive to add to his record age--work permit issues about what kind of job he could have; driver's learning permit; etc.

Note that Trowbridge characterizes the October 59 date as a "conception" date. It is not likely that she would have used that word inadvertently which in turn implies that she thinks it is not a birth date in the sense of delivery.

You do not know however whether Trowbridge's word reflects additional knowledge or speculation. She has used a baby picture when he was about 4-6 months old as a February 1962 date. Obviously, the apparent 4-6 months is not reconcilable with a true birth in October 59 which would have made him three years and three months in the picture.

So her use of the word "conception" may well simply reflect her recognition that the two are not reconcilable and an attempt to narrow the gap. October 28, 1959 conception would be a birth date in August of 60 which still is not reconcilable with the picture if February of 62 is a valid date for the date the picture was taken which it may not be.

The picture was published in April of 62; makeup of the magazine would have been March; the picture could have been retained by MX from some earlier date and delivered to the magazine--or it may be accurately dated.

However the picture, at least in my view, establishes that he was born no later than August 4, 1961 because by the makeup date in February or March 62, he was 4-6 months old.

I would also say that Trowbridge's identification of the woman's neck in the picture is inconclusive. Again she may have independent sources that confirm her view but I doubt it. And I do not think the identification is accurate.

The ultimate remaining issue is the question of the place of his birth. Nothing in Trowbridge's material or anything else establishes that fact. If the SS-5 in fact appears, it may or may not give some clue to the place of birth. But at this point, we have a pretty good idea of what his father's name was; a fairly strong suggestion about what name was pinned on him at birth. There are a couple of other facts that would bear on the place of his birth that are not yet on the record.

196 posted on 11/14/2011 8:12:41 AM PST by David (...)
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To: trumandogz; LucyT; Fred Nerks
"...if Barack Hussein Obama II is the same person as Bâri′ M. Shabazz, that would make putative President Obama the biological son of Malcolm X." At least that would settle the NBC question once and for all.

I know that you and many others do not want to know this but I will say it again anyway--the issue and the only issue about his eligibility to hold the office is his place of birth.

As above, there is little remaining doubt about his identity at birth; or about his father.

There is no evidence at this point that he was born in New York. Nothing in the Social Security death index even indicates that the SS-5 used a New York birth location.

And the SS-5 was a self serving document completed by zero sometime in about 1973. Although the form calls for birthplace, it may or may not be accurate.

The essential remaining fact is where he was born.

197 posted on 11/14/2011 9:57:56 AM PST by David (...)
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. . . . Check out # 196 and # 197.

Thanks, David.

198 posted on 11/14/2011 7:38:05 PM PST by LucyT
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To: LucyT

Getting closer....


199 posted on 11/14/2011 8:53:33 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

if ....there is no story, why is there a coverup?....I won’t be allowed to swallow all this stuff lock,stock and barrel but I have to acknowledge that it sure is hinky


200 posted on 11/26/2011 11:28:51 PM PST by cherry
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