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R.I.P. Christopher Hitchens
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Posted on 12/15/2011 9:12:53 PM PST by Arthurio

R.I.P. Christopher Hitchens

December 15, 2011 11:51 P.M. By Daniel Foster     Vanity Fair reports that Christopher Hitchens has passed away. Often frustrating, usually provocative, always brilliant. He added to the culture, and the conversation.

I’m sure I join many in hoping he is in for a glorious, glorious surprise.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...


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To: ArrogantBustard
I found him to be a bigoted, arrogant, ignorant, atheistic pompous ass

all true....but I liked him anyway...

...the wife and I had the discussion about what he thinks NOW. I, having been a lapsed Catholic for the past 40+ years admitted, he might not know anything(thus proving his own point)....the Wife who KNOWS there is something MORE, thought he would be surprised when he reached his ‘rewards’.

I intoned that if this was the only way any of us will know the truth and that I am in no hurry to find out one way or another

201 posted on 12/16/2011 4:26:34 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Arthurio

Mr. Hitchens certainly added to the conversation.

RIP


202 posted on 12/16/2011 4:27:19 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Arthurio

Hitch was awesome. Fearless speaker and writer. I’ll miss him. And yes he was one of the only guys that would take down Islam in public and call it what is was.

RIP


203 posted on 12/16/2011 4:35:10 AM PST by strider44
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To: miss marmelstein

What a sad & cynical life you embrace thru your rejection of God and Jesus Christ.

Clearly you place your self above God.....that is pure arrogance.

Good-bye....and good luck with that rejection of Him.


204 posted on 12/16/2011 4:36:38 AM PST by newfreep (I am a "terrorist". I am Sarah Palin!)
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To: miss marmelstein; All
Boy, you’re a cheerful earful on FR. You remind me of Preacher in Night of the Hunter.

One of Robert Mitchum's greatest performances (and one of the scariest), good comparison.

Christopher: rest in peace.

At the risk of setting off a whole new debate here since so many misguided posters seem to think they know Christopher Hitchen's eternal destination, here's my take on it:

One of the most universally recognized statements that Jesus made while He was walking the Earth was "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no one cometh unto the Father except by Me" and it is obvious (or should be) to one and all what that means: Jesus IS the Savior, the Messiah, the ONLY One through which our sins are totally mitigated, and it means that JESUS (and ONLY Jesus) will determine who does, and who does NOT enter the Kingdom of Heaven, for He is the sole arbiter of who goes in. Christ knows the contents of every human soul, NOTHING is hidden from him, HE judges, and no one else.

Is He the perfect Judge? ABSOLUTELY. Do I trust Him?

Without a doubt. Which is why I will leave it to Judge Jesus as to what Christopher Hitchen's new residence might be, but here is a question to ponder:

Does ANYONE think that the Almighty would allow it to be said, that a bunch of flawed, sinful, human mortals (meaning us), could show more compassion, more understanding, more reasons to show mercy to Christopher Hitchens (or any soul), than the King of kings, and Lord of lords Himself?


(btw, Miss Marmelstein, I regret that we may have had some less than cordial words in the past, for which I hope you'll forgive me, and Merry Christmas to you and yours.)
205 posted on 12/16/2011 4:37:50 AM PST by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

**Mr. Hitchens certainly added to the conversation.**

Getting to the end of the thread for your comment was worth the slings and arrows.

He was, in many ways a messenger - because he made us talk, think and write about falling from faith - and reclaiming it.

God probably sent him and has taken him back.


206 posted on 12/16/2011 4:38:39 AM PST by sodpoodle ( Gingrich - flying solo - without congressional baggage!!!)
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To: Arthurio
Oh dear, I hope he was ready, and that he really does RIP.
207 posted on 12/16/2011 4:40:11 AM PST by mombonn (God is looking for spiritual fruit, not religious nuts.)
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To: mkjessup

Your words are very, very moving to me. It is words like yours that lead me in the direction of religion and not back away from it. Unfortunately, I do not have the gift of faith.

We all fight on this site and we all make up as well. I’m sure I gave as good as I got and a Merry Christmas to you, too.

Tonight I will lift a glass of single malt to the gallant Mr. H.


208 posted on 12/16/2011 4:43:57 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Still heartless after all these years...)
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To: miss marmelstein

I will join you in that toast to Mr. Hitchens, and my sincere wishes to you for a Happy New Year.


209 posted on 12/16/2011 4:49:25 AM PST by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front.)
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To: newfreep
Clearly you lack the intellect to comprehend God’s Word that ONLY believing Christ as your Lord and Savior will allow you to enter Heaven

Intellect tells you that??...so if you live in Indonesia and you are brought up listening to some moronic Imam...then Intellect will tell you what? Or you are brought up in India and your intellect will tell you to be saved by some ‘’heavenly’ guy with 8 arms.

So if you are a Jew, Muslim, Rastafarian,(Hitchens Maternal Grandmother was a Jew, ergo he was a Jew) you should believe ONLY believing Christ as your Lord and Savior will allow you to enter Heaven??

what arrogance and profound lack of intellect....Faith means belief without hard proof. Believe if you will, but it is not an intellectual exercise

210 posted on 12/16/2011 4:52:54 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Arthurio

I have heard that Mr. Hitchens made peace with God towards the end of his life? Do not know all the details though. Please fill in the details. Thanks!


211 posted on 12/16/2011 4:54:15 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: All

Deathbed or near deathbed conversions can and do happen. You can hope.


212 posted on 12/16/2011 4:55:44 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Vaquero
Eight arms, you say, ay?

:^)

  "Nay, and of hearts which follow other gods
In simple faith, their prayers arise to me,
O Kunti’s Son! though they pray wrongfully:
For I am the Receiver and the Lord
Of every sacrifice, which these know not."
 
- Bhagavad-Gita, Ch: IX, Lines: 92-96.

 

 The Bhagavad-Gita.
 
Chapter XII
 
 
ARJUNA:

LORD! of the men who serve Thee—true in heart—
As God revealed; and of the men who serve,
Worshipping Thee Unrevealed, Unbodied, far,
Which take the better way of faith and life?
 
KRISHNA:

Whoever serve Me—as I show Myself—
        5
Constantly true, in full devotion fixed,
These hold I very holy. But who serve—
Worshipping Me The One, The Invisible,
The Unrevealed, Unnamed, Unthinkable,
Uttermost, All-pervading, Highest, Sure—         10
Who thus adore Me, mastering their sense,
Of one set mind to all, glad in all good,
These blessed souls come unto Me.
        Yet, hard
The travail is for whoso bend their minds         15
To reach th’ Unmanifest. That viewless path
Shall scarce be trod by man bearing his flesh!
But whereso any doeth all his deeds,
Renouncing self in Me, full of Me, fixed
To serve only the Highest, night and day         20
Musing on Me—him will I swiftly lift
Forth from life’s ocean of distress and death
Whose soul clings fast to Me. Cling thou to Me!
Clasp Me with heart and mind! so shalt thou dwell
Surely with Me on high. But if thy thought         25
Droops from such height; if thou be’st weak to set
Body and soul upon Me constantly,
Despair not! give Me lower service! seek
To read Me, worshipping with steadfast will;
And, if thou canst not worship steadfastly,         30
Work for Me, toil in works pleasing to Me!
For he that laboreth right for love of Me
Shall finally attain! But, if in this
Thy faint heart fails, bring Me thy failure! find
Refuge in Me! let fruits of labor go,         35
Renouncing all for Me, with lowliest heart,
So shalt thou come; for, though to know is more
Than diligence, yet worship better is
Than knowing, and renouncing better still
Near to renunciation—very near—         40
Dwelleth Eternal Peace!
        Who hateth nought
Of all which lives, living himself benign,
Compassionate, from arrogance exempt,
Exempt from love of self, unchangeable         45
By good or ill; patient, contented, firm
In faith, mastering himself, true to his word,
Seeking Me, heart and soul; vowed unto Me,—
That man I love! Who troubleth not his kind,
And is not troubled by them; clear of wrath,         50
Living too high for gladness, grief, or fear,
That man I love! 

Who, dwelling quiet-eyed,
Stainless, serene, well-balanced, unperplexed,
Working with Me, yet from all works detached,
That man I love! 

Who, fixed in faith on Me,
        55
Dotes upon none, scorns none; rejoices not,
And grieves not, letting good and evil hap
Light when it will, and when it will depart,
That man I love! 

Who, unto friend and foe
Keeping an equal heart, with equal mind         60
Bears shame and glory, with an equal peace
Takes heat and cold, pleasure and pain; abides
Quit of desires, hears praise or calumny
In passionless restraint, unmoved by each,
Linked by no ties to earth, steadfast in Me,
        65
That man I love! 

But most of all I love
Those happy ones to whom ’tis life to live
In single fervid faith and love unseeing,
Eating the blessèd Amrit of my Being!
 
Here endeth Chapter XII. of the Bhagavad-Gîtâ,
        70
entitled “Bhakityôgô,” or “The Book of
the Religion of Faith”.


“Here shall no end be hindered, no hope marred
No loss be feared: faith—yea, a little faith
Shall save thee from the anguish of thy dread.”
 
-          Bhagavad-Gita, Ch: II, Lines 140-142.
 
ARJUNA:

“And what road goeth he who, having faith,
Fails, Krishna! in the striving; falling back
From holiness, missing the perfect rule?
Is he not lost, straying from Brahma’s light,
Like the vain cloud, which floats ’twixt earth and Heaven
When lightning splits it, and it vanisheth?
Fain would I hear thee answer me herein,
Since, Krishna! none save thou can clear the doubt.”
 
KRISHNA:

“He is not lost, thou Son of Prithâ! No!
Nor earth, nor heaven is forfeit, even for him,
Because no heart that holds one right desire
Treadeth the road of loss! He who should fail,
Desiring righteousness, cometh at death
Unto the Region of the Just.”
 
-          Bhagavad-Gita, Ch: VI, Lines 125-138.
 
  “Of many thousand mortals, one, perchance,
Striveth for Truth; and of those few that strive—
Nay, and rise high—one only—here and there—
Knoweth Me, as I am, the very Truth.”
 
-          Bhagavad-Gita, Ch: VII, Lines 8-11.
 
  “There be those, too, whose knowledge, turned aside
By this desire or that, gives them to serve
Some lower gods, with various rites, constrained
By that which mouldeth them. Unto all such—
Worship what shrine they will, what shapes, in faith—
’Tis I who give them faith! I am content!
The heart thus asking favor from its God,
Darkened but ardent, hath the end it craves,
The lesser blessing—but ’tis I who give!
Yet soon is withered what small fruit they reap
Those men of little minds, who worship so,
Go where they worship, passing with their gods.
But Mine come unto me! Blind are the eyes
Which deem th’ Unmanifested manifest,
Not comprehending Me in my true Self!
Imperishable, viewless, undeclared,
Hidden behind my magic veil of shows,
I am not seen by all; I am not known—
Unborn and changeless—to the idle world.
But I, Arjuna! know all things which were,
And all which are, and all which are to be,
Albeit not one among them knoweth Me!”
 
-          Bhagavad-Gita, Ch: VII, Lines 69-90.
 
  “Nay, and of hearts which follow other gods
In simple faith, their prayers arise to me,
O Kunti’s Son! though they pray wrongfully:
For I am the Receiver and the Lord
Of every sacrifice, which these know not
Rightfully; so they fall to earth again!”
 
-          Bhagavad-Gita, Ch: IX, Lines 92-97.
 
 
“Yet not by the Vedas, nor from sacrifice,
Nor penance, nor gift-giving, nor with prayer
Shall any so behold, as thou hast seen!
Only by fullest service, perfect faith,
And uttermost surrender am I known
And seen, and entered into, Indian Prince!
Who doeth all for Me; who findeth Me
In all; adoreth always; loveth all
Which I have made, and Me, for Love’s sole end,
That man, Arjuna! unto Me doth wend.”
 
-          Bhagavad-Gita, Ch: XI, Lines 332-344.
 

213 posted on 12/16/2011 5:04:44 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Vaquero
what arrogance and profound lack of intellect....Faith means belief without hard proof. Believe if you will, but it is not an intellectual exercise

First, that, together with your characterization of intellect as something distinct from belief, is part of a more modern and truncated definition of faith (See Francis Schaeffer's Escape from Reason for a discussion of how this arose in the West over the past several hundred years). Second, you're missing the most important elements regarding faith: the object of the faith and one's actions based on that faith.
214 posted on 12/16/2011 5:05:53 AM PST by aruanan
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To: James C. Bennett
“Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.”

Bhagavad Gita....Vishnu and J. Robert Oppenheimer

215 posted on 12/16/2011 5:09:30 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: garjog
Atheists are at least willing to debate. They are interested in the question of spiritual things. Then all you have to do is show them that the atheist case is extremely weak.

Again, you're making an ad hoc definition of atheist. There are plenty of atheists who are not willing to debate. There are others who claim to be willing to "debate" but who have, as a matter of first principles, defined the theist's position out of existence, the "debate," then, being little more than "let me show you all the ways you're wrong."
216 posted on 12/16/2011 5:12:09 AM PST by aruanan
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To: Arthurio

Cancer sucks.

RIP Mr Hitchens


217 posted on 12/16/2011 5:19:40 AM PST by HelloooClareece ("We make war that we may live in peace". Aristotle)
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To: mkjessup

Bless you!


218 posted on 12/16/2011 5:32:38 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Still heartless after all these years...)
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To: reaganaut
God is an incredibly loving and forgiving Heavenly Father, of that there is no doubt.

He continues to give and to bless even those who intentionally spit in His eye and claim He does not exist.

He even loves us enough to respect our last wishes; living away from God.

I don't understand why folks find this peculiar. He doesn't choose where folks spend eternity; they do.

I'm sure that would be surprising to folks who expect that their good deeds will get them to Heaven even if they don't believe, but you can't reject God and expect to live an eternity in His presence.

219 posted on 12/16/2011 5:51:17 AM PST by TheWriterTX (Hunkering down...)
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To: Southnsoul

You seem to wish him in Hell.


220 posted on 12/16/2011 5:51:40 AM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Arthurio

RIP.


221 posted on 12/16/2011 5:53:25 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (If Newt Gingrich is a Reliable Conservative, Joe Biden is a member of MENSA)
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To: Arthurio

If Hitchens after death is still Hitchens, he’d probably have us remember his public persona with a little bit of puzzlement, not to say unease. In the prime of life he was an atheist’s atheist, vocal yes but more to the point theatrical, cantankerously so and always barely-not-out-of-control. Who can plumb his psychology? He was the public intellectual who took no crap from anyone, and sometimes took nothing genuine either. He saw through Clintonism, famously lampooned Mother Teresa, and showed up drunk to every other interview. Oh, the humanity. As God-believing humanists we should hope the best comes true for Mr. Hitchens in the afterlife. We do. As realists we know that in our own case, as well as in Mr. Hitchens’, we must not take the better outcome for granted. So let us break new ground by avoiding the semantics of certainty when speaking of the dead. We can stomach it, and it’s the only honest way. We do not know that Mr. Hitchens is in heaven — we note his public persona with some puzzlement and unease — but we hope so.


222 posted on 12/16/2011 6:00:55 AM PST by Mmmike
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To: Arthurio

RIP. A brilliant and witty observer of life. I will miss his contribution.


223 posted on 12/16/2011 7:22:16 AM PST by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: Oztrich Boy
The Dilemma: Heaven for the climate. Hell for the company.

A place full of smug pompous prigs can hardly be Heaver. Ergo, one must assume that such folks' post-mortem destination lies elsewhere.

224 posted on 12/16/2011 7:26:15 AM PST by Burkean Buckleyite
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To: Mmmike
**BUMP** !!!

Now there are some wise words, thank you for that FRiend. :)
225 posted on 12/16/2011 7:34:57 AM PST by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front.)
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To: SatinDoll

He is neither in Heaven or Hell. He’s asleep in the grave until the Day of Judgement.....................


226 posted on 12/16/2011 7:40:20 AM PST by Red Badger (Every child should have a meadow to play in..............)
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To: MarDav

You make lots of assumptions that I believe are not warranted. For instance, you imply that the Scripture verses you cite are “simple” to grasp. Ever pondered exactly what it means to “cometh to the Father”? Or the meaning of the threefold “way, truth and the Life”, including the subtle distinctions between the three concepts? Ever wondered whether there is more to “cometh to the Father except by me” than simply a statement that one is to believe the literal, historical account of the life of Jesus? And don’t even get me started on “Born Again” ... one of the most abused and misapprehended concepts in the modern Church.

In short, you import or transpose your own extra-Biblical intrepetive technique (one might call the technique “simplification”) onto Scripture. It is not inherent in Scripture itself.


227 posted on 12/16/2011 7:43:44 AM PST by dinoparty
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To: Arthurio
RIP. Prayers, although he certainly would not approve. It may help anyway.

Hitchens spoke at FR's March for Justice 1n 1998. He was a lefty, but had integrity about his views,

228 posted on 12/16/2011 7:44:03 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: dinoparty

I wasn’t remarking that the Gospel is simple to grasp (though it is). No, I was pointing out that it is spiritually discerned. Except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God (Christ’s words not mine.)

Isn’t your saying that I make many assumptions itself an assumption? You assume that you KNOW the things you speak of [and that I am in error]. Could YOU possibly be the one that is in error?

You say, for example “Don’t get you started on the phrase “born again.” You say it is often misused/abused. Yet, how do you KNOW it is not YOU that is misuing/abusing it? Are you not assuming your own understanding, or, perhaps some preacher/priest/commentator that you enjoy (let’s assume s/he is human) waxed eloquent on the subject. Aren’t you assuming something about THEIR understanding of this scripture. What if you are sitting under the sounds of false teaching? Would you even know? Would pride prevent you from getting up and walking away?

Oh, and I particularly like the comment about the “simplification” technique you say I use to understand/present the scripture. Not too condescending, is it? When it says in Acts “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved,” what complicated, sophisticatd, intellectually massive doctrine do you think the Holy Spirit [through Paul] is delivering?

The Gospel of Jesus Christ IS simple to understand (even a child can do it!) Do you not know the scriptures?

Luke 18:17
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

No. The problem here isn’t simple or complicated. Naive or intellectual. The problem has to do with spiritual discernment. Rom. 8:9 Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

19For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

20Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

22For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

23But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

25Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

26For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

27But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

28And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

29That no flesh should glory in his presence.

30But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

31That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

Ask, and it shall be given you. Seek and ye shall find. Knock, and the door shall be opened unto you. My it be your joy this season to seek Him with all your heart that you might find Him who is born King of the Jews (and King of Kings and Lord of Lords)


229 posted on 12/16/2011 8:20:04 AM PST by MarDav
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To: dixiechick2000

It may depend on their exposure to him. Some folks may have only seen him when he said things they disagreed with. I had seen him tweak both sides. When I disagreed with him, I could at least understand where he was coming from, although some of those times I thought he was way off base.

People have different philosophies about death. When someone they disagree with dies, they are happy and want to dance on their graves. I’ve never bought into that.

IMO, God grieves at the death of every person. He sees what could have been, and laments the poor choices that person that He loved made, and what their lives turned out like due to them. I don’t ever see Him gleeful that a person has died.

Who among us has not had a family member or a friend do things we did not support, but still loved them none the less?

I do think God could be happy that their evil actions and the resultant reactions were coming to an end.


230 posted on 12/16/2011 9:06:16 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Why back in '88, Conservatives backed Gore in Texas. What Reagan revolution? What laegacy?)
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To: Lauren BaRecall

I want to think that his brother’s prayers, and mine as well, were not in vain.

- - - - - -
Even unanswered prayers are not in vain. Sometimes all we are to do is pray, even if the answer is no.


231 posted on 12/16/2011 9:06:35 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Best post of the thread! Seriously, you nailed it.


232 posted on 12/16/2011 9:09:17 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: MestaMachine

What made Hitchens a different person for me, was that he didn’t shy away from admitting what was wrong, was wrong.

Contrast that with all the apologists who never publicly admitted Bill Clinton was anything other than a very popular hip president.

Thanks for the note.

D1


233 posted on 12/16/2011 9:12:59 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Why back in '88, Conservatives backed Gore in Texas. What Reagan revolution? What laegacy?)
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To: reaganaut

Thank you, he needs all the prayers he can receive. For some reason, he is the one sibling I worry about the most. I am the youngest of 8, 4 boys & 4 girls. I have and one brother who passed May this last May, but believed. Another brother doesn’t believe, but he is more logical and I feel he will one day accept. A sister passed away in 1980, before I was a Christian, my other three sisters are all believes, however, my brother Gene is the one who is the most lost of all. But if you could keep both brothers in prayer when thinking of it, I would appreciate it.

God bless and Merry Christmas,

OV, Chuck


234 posted on 12/16/2011 9:15:15 AM PST by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: PhilDragoo

Thanks for the comments. I think you’ve said some things that others were thinking here. Nice.


235 posted on 12/16/2011 9:16:09 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Why back in '88, Conservatives backed Gore in Texas. What Reagan revolution? What laegacy?)
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To: goat granny; Alamo-Girl

God is Holy, He is also a jealous God. By His nature, He cannot abide sin, that is why He sent His Son to die on the cross. BUT, we have to accept that sacrifice. God’s justice must be satisfied, if we reject His offering of that satisfaction (acceptance of Christ and His work on the Cross), then we are doomed to His just wrath.


236 posted on 12/16/2011 9:21:27 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: goat granny

Of course it made no sense to you. I’m not surprised.


237 posted on 12/16/2011 9:23:34 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: Arthurio
Interesting that the last word he wrote was "gaffe."

He now knows Truth, and I hope God is merciful on his soul for his recognition at how wrong he was all these years.

238 posted on 12/16/2011 9:27:56 AM PST by GreatOne (You will bow down before me, Son of Jor-el!)
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To: miss marmelstein

Wow. Just wow.

No one deserves a seat in heaven. No one.

However, some of us have accepted God’s way to Heaven. Hitch wasn’t one of those from all accounts.


239 posted on 12/16/2011 9:34:15 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: grey_whiskers
I have the impression that some on this thread, were they to discover that he had a death bed conversion, would be as pissed-off as

1. the older son in the parable of the prodigal son: It's not fair that someone should live his life being a total a-hole toward God and then get in at the last minute!

2. the workers in the vineyard who agreed to a wage for a whole day's work and then bitched about the ones hired an hour before quitting time for the same wage: It's not fair that we should have to work all day long and then this guy who worked a few minutes got as much as we did!

Of course, if you're a five petal Calvinist, none of this had anything to do with Hitchens either way--Hitchens dying an unrepentant atheist or Hitchens getting converted at the last moment--but was entirely the will of God.
240 posted on 12/16/2011 9:41:12 AM PST by aruanan
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To: Biggirl

No, he didn’t. He made a statement that he no longer believed ‘that which does not kill you makes you stronger’.

He also said that any rumors of a deathbed confession would be false.

Now, deathbed confessions can and do occur, but it is my experience (end of life care with many atheists), that dying makes them more - not less - adamant about their atheism. It was true with my father, and my uncle, and my great uncle and my great aunt. One even cursed the idea of God as his last words. In fact, out of about a dozen atheists/agnostics, I only knew of one deathbed confession and that person had been ‘seeking’ for several months prior.

It is sad, for I weep every time a non-believer dies, but there was no evidence that Hitch had any indication of changing his mind.


241 posted on 12/16/2011 9:54:30 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: mlo; Bowtie52

mlo you posted “We aren’t talking about someone that thinks they are smarter than god. We are talking about someone that didn’t believe in god. But the question remains. Why should god care so much whether you believe in him?”

My Comment:When I read Romans chapter 2, I get the feeling Paul agrees with you.

Romans 2:25 For circumcision indeed profiteth, if thou be a doer of the law: but if thou be a transgressor of the law, thy circumcision is become uncircumcision.

Romans 2:26 If therefore the uncircumcision keep the ordinances of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be reckoned for circumcision?

:>)EasyDoesIt


242 posted on 12/16/2011 9:55:51 AM PST by eazdzit (Did your Congressman challenge/Qualify OBAMA? Throw the bums out. WE need a 3rd Party.Palin in 2012)
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To: TheWriterTX

I’m sure that would be surprising to folks who expect that their good deeds will get them to Heaven even if they don’t believe, but you can’t reject God and expect to live an eternity in His presence.

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WORTH A REPOST!


243 posted on 12/16/2011 9:57:47 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: OneVike

MrR and I will definitely keep them both in our prayers.

God can and does work miracles. My best friend, who grew up atheist, had an intense conversion experience a few years ago and became a Christian. It has been wonderful to see the changes in her. My great-grandfather, who was an atheist his whole life, came to faith in Christ in his early 70’s. It can and does happen.

Side note - have you read the Case for Christ books? IMO, they are pretty good at answering the questions and objections atheists have.


244 posted on 12/16/2011 10:04:14 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: boatbums

“We don’t know the real reasons why people reject God”

Some people look at the world with its many senseless evils and injustices and come to the personal conclusion that there is no reason to believe in any Higher Power.


245 posted on 12/16/2011 10:15:41 AM PST by ToranagaSama
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To: reaganaut

I appreciate your description of God. But my question is to define justice. When you say Gods justice must be satisfied. Define for me please what that justice is. If possible...


246 posted on 12/16/2011 11:52:00 AM PST by goat granny
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To: MarDav
“I am the way, the truth and the Life, no man cometh to the Father except by Me,” seems like a pretty clear indication of what Christ believed was the way to Heaven. Apprehension of this truth is not something gained by intellectual pursuit...”
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Well, I guess all of the non-christians, who are good, i.e. the “golden rule” are damned to hell.

Many of you freepers act like Hitchens was Timothy McVeigh. So sad to see so many Christians assume equal punishment for a nonbeliever to that of murderer.

Me thinks many of you will be on bended knee apologizing for the polarization of people who have differing religious and nonreligious beliefs.

To say your intellectual capacity is infantile, is a mass understatement.

247 posted on 12/16/2011 12:01:32 PM PST by mporter345
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To: reaganaut

Then I guess you and I will not be meeting in the afterlife. That’s a relief!


248 posted on 12/16/2011 12:33:02 PM PST by miss marmelstein (Still heartless after all these years...)
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To: Larry Lucido

Larry, I’ve been called some pretty nasty things on this thread just for expressing a simple religious belief espoused by most Christian sects. Whether I have committed the sin of pride, well, I do not believe I have done so.

I do not know what happens after death as I’ve never been dead, but I agree with you on this: RIP, Christopher Hitchens.


249 posted on 12/16/2011 12:35:51 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: Arthurio

May he rest in Peace.

I bet that Mother Teresa, sweet soul that she is, was the first one to come out and greet him.


250 posted on 12/16/2011 12:38:37 PM PST by Palladin (Santorum/Bachmann 2012.)
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