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The Continuing Killing of Trayvon Martin
Open Salon ^ | May 10, 2012 | Allan Goldstein

Posted on 05/10/2012 8:24:32 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Eighteen. That’s how many black people are murdered per day in America.. If you don’t have the misfortune to live near one of those eighteen, you didn’t hear about any of them.

There are nearly 7,000 African American homicides a year, but only one has grabbed us by our eyeballs and won’t let go. The Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman killing has propelled itself to the front of our national consciousness, while the others go virtually unnoticed.

Why all the attention? What so different about this case?

Nothing. It’s not about the case; it’s about the cast.

It doesn’t even matter if George Zimmerman is guilty or innocent, that’s beside the point.

The point, of course, is race. When a gangbanger bangs one out, it’s a simple, common crime. But when a sort-of-white wannabe cop and neighborhood bully kills a black teenager, a couple of strange, powerful things happen.

First, the victim becomes a choirboy by popular acclimation. It’s as if the populace couldn’t understand the narrative if the kid had a pot bust in junior high.

And second, the killer becomes a Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

Look, I don’t want to trivialize this, or offend anyone’s sensibilities, but there is a direct parallel here with the use of the N word.

Nobody likes it, but if you use it, you better be black. A black man killing another black man is an all-too-common tragedy. A white man killing a black man is an act of race war.

Our collective memories know that there is something especially heinous about this kind of crime.

We hate murderers, but not all murders are considered equal. A killing in the hood is a shame. A serial killing is an outrage. If the details are particularly gruesome we make a movie about it.

But even an interracial school slaughter like Virginia Tech, where one person killed 32, has less impact on the nation than the Zimmerman case. The murderer was a disturbed Asian boy, most of the victims white. But race didn’t seem to be a factor in that crime, and it’s the act that sticks in our minds four years later, not the perpetrator.

I’m willing to bet not ten percent of my readers can bring the name Seung-Hui Cho to mind when thinking about Virginia Tech. I know I had to Google it.

But George Zimmerman’s name will be remembered in four years; those of us still alive will remember it in forty. Whether he’s guilty or not.

My wife pointed it out; whenever they talk about this case it’s always Trayvon and Zimmerman. We know the victim, affectionately, by his first name, the killer by his last. Why? Because we take this case personally. Otherwise the wall-to-wall coverage wouldn’t be there.

Even among hate crimes, this one is special. When some homophobes kill a gay man, it’s news, it’s an outrage, we hear about it. But the coverage and concern don’t reach Martin/Zimmerman heights. The history is entirely different. Gay people have been harassed and killed for years in America, but, as horrid as that history is, cities did not burn. A civil war wasn’t fought over that issue, six hundred thousand Americans didn’t die because of it.

Race has unique, terrible power over America’s moral conscience and with good reason. When a white man kills a black man it’s something more than a crime in our eyes, it’s something unspeakably worse. Which is why we must speak about it.

White people may not want to see it that way. In our hearts we may think, we are not racist, we elected a black president, we hate not. And all that is probably true for most white Americans.

It doesn’t matter. Some lessons must be relearned whenever something terrible happens that reminds us all of our nation’s original sin.

I hope justice is done to Mr. Zimmerman. If his version of that tragedy is the truth, I hope he doesn’t suffer for it any more than he has already. If he’s lying and killed that kid on purpose I hope they throw the book at him.

But either way, I know that justice is being served by all the saturating, 24/7 coverage and conversation. I know we need to work this out slowly, one painful step at a time.

Because, to white America, this is a case, a killing, a mystery, maybe even an annoyance. But to black America it’s one six-millionth of a genocide.


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: blackkk; florida; georgezimmerman; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
Have the planes and ships quit running from here to Africa?
1 posted on 05/10/2012 8:24:36 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But when a sort-of-white wannabe cop and neighborhood bully kills a black teenager, a couple of strange, powerful things happen.

They can't give up their false narrative.

They think no one will notice.

2 posted on 05/10/2012 8:27:42 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Do I really need a sarcasm tag? Seriously? You're that dense?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Mr. Zimmerman is 1/4 Hispanic, 1/2 white and 1/4 black, from most accounts I’ve read.


3 posted on 05/10/2012 8:28:53 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Guns save lives and the lives of those who want to keep on living. That is the problem democrates have.


4 posted on 05/10/2012 8:29:27 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not a bad article, but if the bl@cks are so poorly treated here, what’s keeping them from going back home? LEAVE if you don’t like it.


5 posted on 05/10/2012 8:30:01 AM PDT by bicyclerepair ( REPLACE D-W-S ! http://www.karenforcongress.com)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

And who else is Obama, or Sharpton? Aside from being some sort of half-black wannabe cops?


6 posted on 05/10/2012 8:30:50 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Eighteen. That’s how many black people are murdered per day in America

The elephant in this world wide media room is, "how many of these 18 blacks were killed by other blacks?"

If that question cannot be dealt with honestly, within the real context of the cultural problem that exists within the black community, then complaining about the 'number' of blacks killed is pointless and all the other suppositions, bias and conjecture is meaningless.

7 posted on 05/10/2012 8:31:16 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s not about the crime...
It’s not about the cast...
It’s about how Jesse and Al and NOI and the rest can make money


8 posted on 05/10/2012 8:33:34 AM PDT by MS from the OC (Obama taking credit for killing OBL is like Nixon taking credit for landing on the moon, John Bolton)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

there is no evidence (not even hearsay) that Zimmerman was a ‘neighborhood bully.’

They won’t drop that narrative.


9 posted on 05/10/2012 8:33:34 AM PDT by altura (Looking for sanity in all the wrong places.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Some lessons must be relearned whenever something terrible happens that reminds us all of our nation’s original sin.

I don't give a rat's ass about any of that. When I see 3 consecutive black females at my local Target whip out their EBT cards, as I did on Tuesday night, and every white customer is paying cash, it pisses me off. BIG time.

10 posted on 05/10/2012 8:34:47 AM PDT by montag813
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
" the killer becomes a Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan."

....the writer better be careful...the Democrats started and ran the Ku Klux Klan.

"A black man killing another black man is an all-too-common tragedy. A white man killing a black man is an act of race war."

What a twisted mind it must take to forget history, accept "tragedy" and blame whitey...just because they are white.

11 posted on 05/10/2012 8:35:59 AM PDT by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We know the victim, affectionately, by his first name, the killer by his last. Why?

Because those are near-unique identifiers, unlike "Martin" and "George".

12 posted on 05/10/2012 8:37:57 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Cloud storage? Dropbox rocks! Sign up at http://db.tt/nQqWGd3 for 2GB free (and I get more too).)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Which makes him just as white as ObaMao, more Hispanic and probably more black as well.

ObaMao's black half is at least one quarter to three quarters Arab. A dirty little family secret is that the Lao tribe enjoyed privileged status in Kenya because they intermarried with Arabs. Further, those engaged in the slave trade had the additional advantage of being able to cherry-pick women captives to add to their harem.

This is why Obama researchers are able to trace his father's patriarchial lineage back several generations, but data on his father's matriarchial lineage peters out rather quickly. This is just one such source, fairly well done.

13 posted on 05/10/2012 8:40:49 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: altura

Yes, I picked up on that “neighborhood bully” aspect, as well.


14 posted on 05/10/2012 8:43:06 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
*sigh* so much wrong in an article that ALMOST tires to get something right...

"If his version of that tragedy is the truth, I hope he doesn’t suffer for it any more than he has "

Wow... finally ...but:

Zimmerman was NOT a cop wanna-be or neighborhood bully- by some reports he was a humanitarian who has come to the aid of people several times in the past- at his own personal risk, AND he was doing what he was supposed to be doing that night as part of a community watch - he was watching over his community

What was St. Trayvon of Sanford doing? Not skipping home from choir practice. His house was a straight 850 foot walk home from the store- he could have been home in 2 minutes

Instead he was walking in the dark in the rain BETWEEN the houses.

Zimmerman was not looking to gun down someone- you dont call the police in advance of committing your crime if you want to kill someone... He was reporting a suspicious person who appeared to be casing the place.

I rarely see it noted that Trayvon has a history of being caught with burglary tools and suspicious female jewelry on him (that he claimed "he didnt know" who it belonged to)

15 posted on 05/10/2012 8:43:57 AM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in PALIN)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
White people may not want to see it that way. In our hearts we may think, we are not racist, we elected a black president, we hate not. And all that is probably true for most white Americans.

Boy we screwed the pooch on that move didn't we? Did we eliminate white guilt? Not as evidenced in this case. We also got arguably the most incompetent, affirmative-action hire the world has ever seen.

16 posted on 05/10/2012 8:44:53 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I read the “sort-of-white” comment as sarcasm, not as an affirmation. given the content of the rest of the piece, that seems to be what was intended.
18 posted on 05/10/2012 8:47:00 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.)
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To: altura

Actually there is testimony that, far from being a neighborhood bully, he was a neighborhood hero, going out of his way to help others. He wasn’t worried about the guy acting strangely breaking into his own home on the fatal night, but that he was about to break into some neighbor’s home.


19 posted on 05/10/2012 8:47:06 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; tomdavidd; Freeper; Gvl_M3; Flotsam_Jetsome; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; ...
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Ping.

Eighteen. That’s how many black people are murdered per day in America.. If you don’t have the misfortune to live near one of those eighteen, you didn’t hear about any of them.

There are nearly 7,000 African American homicides a year, but only one has grabbed us by our eyeballs and won’t let go. The Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman killing has propelled itself to the front of our national consciousness, while the others go virtually unnoticed.

Why all the attention? What so different about this case?

Nothing. It’s not about the case; it’s about the cast.

It doesn’t even matter if George Zimmerman is guilty or innocent, that’s beside the point.

The point, of course, is race.

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20 posted on 05/10/2012 8:50:00 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: Mr. K
Even after Trayvon saw Zimmerman watching him, he easily could have gone to his father's place and been safe. Instead he attacked Zimmerman, and might have killed him if he had managed to grab Zimmerman's gun.

This is a classic case of "no good deed goes unpunished." Zimmerman was trying to protect his neighbors--instead he may wind up being murdered before too long, or (depending on who gets on the jury) spending most of his life in prison.

21 posted on 05/10/2012 8:50:54 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Mr. K
so much wrong in an article that ALMOST tires to get something right...

That probably was supposed to be "tries", but I think "tires" works just as well, maybe better, because frankly many of us are tired about this dammed case.

;)

22 posted on 05/10/2012 8:51:38 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"...has grabbed us by our eyeballs and won’t let go..."

On behalf of editors everywhere...


23 posted on 05/10/2012 8:53:07 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Mr. Zimmerman is 1/4 Hispanic, 1/2 white and 1/4 black...”

His cheekbones are kind of high - he might have about 1/32 Cherokee mixed in there somewhere.


24 posted on 05/10/2012 8:54:36 AM PDT by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would think that once the trigger was pulled there was intent on purpose to do harm if not kill. The writer is an emotional nit-wit.


25 posted on 05/10/2012 8:56:33 AM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Here’s the lastest updates on who has created the Trayvon cast of characters and is twisting the story. Names are named and it’s more than just Al and Jesse:

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/04/22/update-11-trayvon-martin-shooting-final-deconstruction-of-benjamin-crumps-media-evidence/


26 posted on 05/10/2012 9:04:56 AM PDT by bgill
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To: LucyT
It’s not about the case; it’s about the cast.

Precisely.

27 posted on 05/10/2012 9:31:44 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
While the Zimmerman/Martin ‘white’ on black killing is covered 24/7 on the MSM with an outpouring of rage and charges of a racial hate crime, where is the concern- where is the rage about the home invasion, torture, beating, rape and murder of the elderly white couple by a gang of feral blacks in Oklahoma just a few weeks ago?

The 90 year old war veteran husband was beaten and his jaw broken. He was shot in the face numerous times with a BB gun and sent to the hospital in critical condition.

The 85 year old partially blind wife was RAPED and then BEATEN TO DEATH.

Can you just imagine the pain, the humiliation, the horror that dear old lady experienced being gang raped by that pack of feral animals?

(the autopsy states she was raped. Don’t think all of these animals didn’t all participate)

And can you imagine the pain, the horror of that dear old husband having to witness this?

Mr. Strait died from his injuries last week.

There’s a lot more involved here than a home invasion and robbery.

WHERE ARE THE CHARGES OF A RACIAL HATE CRIME??

90 year old husband’s jaw broken and shot in face with a BB gun numerous times?

85 wife year old semi blind wife RAPED and BEATEN to death??

Why does it take a foreign press to enlighten America as to this henious crime?

WHERE IS THE NATIONAL OUTRAGE?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117695/Brutal-home-invasion-Oklahoma-couple-ends-65-year-romance-meeting-blind-date.html

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Have they caught the rest of the gang of feral blacks who raped, tortured and murdered this elderly woman? Are they even looking? Not a word about it in the media.

28 posted on 05/10/2012 9:36:55 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I am tired of hearing people referred to as African American. Were they born in African? If so that is great. I have Irish roots, but I refer to myself as a White American. On may documents I fill out they ask if I am white, not if I am Irish American. It is time for one standard and to get away from this believe that people are something they are not. A great example is: is Obama white, Black or African American? According to the left he was not born in Africa!
29 posted on 05/10/2012 9:47:52 AM PDT by Tman65
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Who the heck is that? What was the slap all about. Weird!


30 posted on 05/10/2012 9:51:13 AM PDT by hummingbird (I am Breitbart.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Even among hate crimes, this one is special.

What the writer seems to try to prove is a white-on-black hate crime being carried out by a "white"; when in fact and in deed it seems to be a black-on-"white" hate-the-honky crime being carried out by the black participant/hater/assailant, and finally prevented from finishing the job.

(OR....maybe to Trayvon it was not race at all? Maybe his intent was just pounding on another interfering civilian for hindering him from whatever he wanted to do -- maybe "casing" the neighborhood?)

31 posted on 05/10/2012 10:18:27 AM PDT by imardmd1 (The only sane advice: Assume nothing!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

And when four black thugs rape and murder a young white woman, and rape and murder her white boyfriend, there’s no outrage, nary a peep from the media.


32 posted on 05/10/2012 10:19:55 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: Vigilanteman

Wrong daddy there 2nd division.
Obama looks nothing like Obama SR.

He does however bear s striking resemblance to Malcolm x


33 posted on 05/10/2012 10:26:19 AM PDT by South Dakota (shut up and drill)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As part of the anger over Trayvon, they held a rally in Stockton California complaining about all the blacks killed by police. Their best example was a man who had shot one policeman in the stomach before he was killed by another policeman. And yes, he had also killed a civilian in the area before this confrontation.


34 posted on 05/10/2012 10:34:25 AM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Barrak has now won the contest. He is even worse than Jimmah.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

All evidence suggests that Zimmerman killed Martin in self defense, without regard to race. Allan Goldstein can wring his hands and (many, not all) African-Americans can get all wee-weed up over a false narrative, but people with brains must refuse to buy into it. Conflating self-defense, police shootings, and the occasional crime into “incremental genocide” is absurd (and you better believe that this is part of the Democrats’ agenda).

A large segment of the black population, along with many whites, lack analytical skills, have emotional needs, and choose to believe idiotic things. Does that obligate the rest of us to play along? No thanks — we cannot afford to further indulge the weak-minded. Our “government” obviously disagrees.


35 posted on 05/10/2012 10:43:19 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: Gaffer

Statistical breakdown on the 18, by race of killer, and circumstances, would be very useful. Any info for this?
Killed by:
Blacks
Whites
Hispanics
Other

Circumstances:
Gang-related, including bystanders
Drug/other crime-related
Suicide
Personal disputes
Domestic (killed by spouses, exes, girl/boyfriends, parents, transvestite nannies)
While victim of robbery, rape, etc.
By police in self-defense
By civilians in self-defense
By racially-motivated hate groups


36 posted on 05/10/2012 11:05:22 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: South Dakota
I think you mean Frank Marshall Davis, the known pedophile and Communist thug. And you may be right.

But I'm not sure we will ever know for sure and even if we do, why ObaMao thought a slave trading Kenyan heritage would make a better narrative than his real daddy (if Davis was) who would have created no ambiguity on U.S. citizenship.

I'll stand by my original theory that ObaMao just wants to prove that he is bigger than the U.S. constitution.

37 posted on 05/10/2012 11:07:41 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: goodnesswins

It’s not about color. It’s about party.


38 posted on 05/10/2012 11:09:10 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Cloud storage? Dropbox rocks! Sign up at http://db.tt/nQqWGd3 for 2GB free (and I get more too).)
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To: Gaffer
Let's have the other elephant. How many whites were killed by blacks per day? Those stories get buried. When blacks kill, they get a pass. When whites kill, it gets "wall to wall" national coverage.
39 posted on 05/10/2012 11:23:51 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: hummingbird

The writer made a grotesque composition error in writing,

“...has grabbed us by our eyeballs and won’t let go...”

This is called “compositions from the slush pile” by editors of truly bad writing submitted for publication. Some other examples of slush pile errors:

“His organ began to beat so hard he thought it would pop out of his chest.”

“Thoughts flew like spaghetti in my brain.”

“I knew I had a bestseller in me—all I had to do was plumb my depths and out it would come, like some literary bowel movement.”

“Carlotta’s eyes dropped to the handkerchief in her hands.”


40 posted on 05/10/2012 11:31:26 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Vigilanteman

No goggle Malcolm x ,see for yourself. There was one photo of X that looked exactly like Barack. It has since been deleted


41 posted on 05/10/2012 5:36:18 PM PDT by South Dakota (shut up and drill)
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To: Myrddin

We can “pull the plug’ on the mainstream media. We do not have to watch their lying so-called news and we do not have to watch any propaganda laced entertainment. I have boycotted the msm news for many years and I have not watched any comedy or drama from the msm. There are programs that are not filled with propaganda which I sometimes watch. I think the msm has become so over-the-top in their efforts to propagandize that there must be many people each day who are changing the channel on the msm.


42 posted on 05/10/2012 9:33:19 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: cradle of freedom

I listen to the local radio station that carries Limbaugh. Fox news and Coaat to Coast AM in the evening. I have a TV simply to watch Bluray and DVD in high definition. Even that is limited to once or twice each month.


43 posted on 05/10/2012 10:35:41 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: South Dakota

“It has since been deleted”

I wonder why???;) But seriously, how would he and Stanley Ann Dunham have possibly crossed paths? I thought X spent most of his time around Boston...


44 posted on 05/11/2012 2:42:52 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Vigilanteman

Zimmerman is only 1/8 black/Afro-Peruvian. He appears to be 3/8 hispanic.

>ObaMao’s black half is at least one quarter to three quarters Arab. A dirty little family secret is that the Lao tribe enjoyed privileged status in Kenya because they intermarried with Arabs.

From what I know, the Arabs in Kenya all live in the coastal region, while the Luo all live in Western Kenya, near Uganda. Furthermore, they didn’t seem to intermarry with other ethnic groups much, if at all. Does he have Arab ancestry? I suppose anything’s possible, but IMO it’s rather unlikely.


45 posted on 05/12/2012 12:18:49 AM PDT by Jacob Kell (Just because one is famous doesn't mean that they know more than everybody else.)
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To: Jacob Kell
Take a look at his paternal genealogy and draw your own conclusions. A couple of generations further back, Obama's progenitors are on the coast and paternal matriarchal ancestry is unknown.

This is entirely consistent with the custom of slave traders being able to cherry-pick the best female captors to add to their harems.

Further, any divide or lack of mixing between coastal Arab Muslims and inland Lao Tribal Muslims, who largely did the dirty work of capturing the slaves to sell to their Arab trading partners, is almost entirely due to racism, not religious prohibition on interracial marriage.

Islam has traditionally no prohibitions on interracial marriage, only inter-religious. In fact, a common way to advance oneself socially was to marry into Arab lineages.

The Arabs consider themselves the top of the racial heap in Islam with a pecking order roughly identical to the order in which they embraced Islam. The Persians, of course, would be an exception as would Arab Shiites which are viewed as some sort of sub-class (at best) or apostate (at worst) in much the same way Biblical Jews views Samaritans or extreme fundamentalists view Mormons.

One reason Arabs consider themselves racially superior is that many of them are able to trace their genealogies back thousands of years, some even to Adam (or so they claim). Their view is that their ancestor Esau did not sell his birthright to Jacob but was merely cheated out of it by the ancestor of Jews and Christians in collusion with his mother Rebekah. See Genesis 27, which the Arabs regard as a Jewish/Christian version of what really happened.

A close friend of mine is the son of a Jordanian Muslim father and an American Christian mother. He's told me stories which would curl your hair. I won't go into them all, but the bottom line is that among some Arab tribes, they view one of the best ways to spread Islam and their superior seed is to intermarry as much as possible among late comers to their faith so they may enjoy the blessings of being both Arab and Muslim.

My friend also tells me that Obama is also a name of Arabic origin. This doesn't necessarily prove an Arab bloodline since Laos would Arabize their names over generations as a social prestige thing, given the fact that Islam and Arabs have been in Kenya since the 8th century, the chances of interracial marriage is quite high.

46 posted on 05/12/2012 5:14:04 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

>My friend also tells me that Obama is also a name of Arabic origin.

From what I know, the origin of the name Obama is a matter of dispute. Some say it’s of Luo origin, derived from the verb “to be bent” or “twisted”. Others say it was from Swahili. How do you know he wasn’t mixing up “Obama” with some other word?

>A couple of generations further back, Obama’s progenitors are on the coast and paternal matriarchal ancestry is unknown.

It didn’t say Obama’s ancestors were on the coast. All it said was that Hussein Onyango Obama (Barry’s grandfather) was born in a ethnic Luo village. And his dad was born at Kendu Bay, which is on the shores of Lake Victoria.

>This doesn’t necessarily prove an Arab bloodline since Laos would Arabize their names over generations as a social prestige thing,

The same is true about non-Arab muslims in general. They often take Arab or Arab derived names.

>given the fact that Islam and Arabs have been in Kenya since the 8th century, the chances of interracial marriage is quite high.

Yeah, but the Luo, I believe, live some distance from the Arabs.


47 posted on 05/12/2012 10:31:58 AM PDT by Jacob Kell
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