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Is there a Ron Paul putsch under way?
World Net Daily ^ | 06/05/12 | Pam Gellar

Posted on 06/06/2012 8:21:57 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden

Is a Paulian putsch being planned for the Republican National Convention?

Newt Gingrich has warned that Republican leaders have not thought through “how they’re going to handle the convention in Tampa, and how they’re going to handle the Ron Paul forces.” The New York Sun reported that “what Mr. Gingrich seems to be worried about is the delegates that Congressman Paul is winning through his strategy of dealing with state conventions. The former speaker had just come from the convention at Georgia, where … the ‘Ron Paul people’ were out in force.”

I have been receiving alarming emails concerning an underhanded, anti-American Ron Paul coup that is being plotted for the GOP convention.

From Virginia: “I’m running for delegate to the RNC convention in Tampa. There is a serious Paulbot infestation in the GOP here in Virginia. I’m spending a lot of time at GOP apparatchik meetings. I’ve gotten the endorsement of the Conservative Coalition (I was the top vote-getter), and usually that is enough but not this cycle.”

And this came in from a reader of my website AtlasShrugs.com out West: “There is a very interesting situation going on behind the scenes in the Republican Party state caucuses, and the MSM is not reporting it. Ron Paul’s followers have taken control of the Republican state committees in Nevada, Alaska, Iowa, Maine and Louisiana and working for more control in upcoming meetings. They have stolen delegates to the upcoming Republican National Convention away from Mitt Romney by following some technical rules.”

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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Nothing to be scared of, unless your are a RINO, GOP Elite, or a lock-step good Ol’ Boy Republican: My party, right or wrong!

This is the challenge to leadership to the Republican Party that should have occurred decades ago.

McCain in 2008 gave the win to Obama by refusing to discuss anything about Obama prior to Obama becoming the Junior Senator from Illinois.

Romney in 2012 is giving Obama the win by refusing to discuss anything about Obama’s legal eligibility for office.

Ron Paul is the Father of the Taxed Enough Already Party, the only Primary Candidate to have a workable plan to reduce Federal Spending by 1 TRILLION Dollars in the first year, but he is 76 years old.

Ron Paul is of value to us in that those of us that want to crush Obama in a landslide, need an OPEN or Brokered Convention in Tampa, where there is the possibility of choosing a Nominee who could actually beat Obama.

Right now Romney is statistically tied with Obama.

This is a clear indication that Romney is to weak of a candidate to beat incumbent Obama in November. Even the Democrats are grumbling about replacing Obama.

Romney was the winner in the Primaries, sort of, and just has enough moxie now to tie with Obama.

Romney is a weak Candidate.

Romney will probably lose to the Incumbent.

Romney needs to be replaced by a stronger Candidate.

None of the Primary Candidates are strong enough to win big in the Primaries, and thus all are weak National candidates against Obama.

If Republicans want to beat Obama they will choose a Nominee stronger than any of the Candidates who ran in the Primaries.

If the Republicans want to lose to Obama they will choose Romney to be their Nominee.

I choose beating Obama, and thus I reject Romney.


51 posted on 06/06/2012 11:46:10 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Tennessee Nana
Are you RomneyBots afraid of a little competition ???

Desperately afraid and I say that as someone who doesn't particularly like Ron Paul but cares even less for the Chicago Machine style tactics team Romney has used.
52 posted on 06/06/2012 11:49:14 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Sloth
Are you aware that “military-hating” Ron Paul got more campaign contributions from active-duty military personnel than all the other GOP candidates combined?

Everybody knows that is not true. Paulbots took a page out of Obama's playbook. Obama used it against McCain so the surrender monkey thought he would use it too.
Both Obama and Cut and Run had their moonbats state they were military. There is nothing making them prove it. It makes it look like real Americans support them, when anybody with even half a brain knows anybody who supports America would NEVER support Cut and Run or the wannabe king.
53 posted on 06/06/2012 11:51:05 AM PDT by John D
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To: svcw

Seems to me that his message is cut spending and follow the Constitution. I kinda feel the same way.


54 posted on 06/06/2012 11:52:17 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: John D
New York Times http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/22/soldiers-choice/

"As of the last reporting date, at the end of September, Paul leads all candidates by far in donations from service members. This trend has been in place since 2008, when Paul ran for president with a similar stance: calling nonsense at hawk squawk from both parties."

"This year, Paul has 10 times the individual donations — totaling $113,739 — from the military as does Mitt Romney. And he has a hundred times more than Newt Gingrich, who sat out the Vietnam War with college deferments and now promises he would strike foes at the slightest provocation. "

NYT is not a Paul site.

55 posted on 06/06/2012 11:59:20 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: jpsb

Paul knows as much about the constitution as Fred Phelps does about the Bible.
You appear to be projecting what you think he says, compared to what he has actually done and written.


56 posted on 06/06/2012 12:01:31 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: John D; jpsb

John all you have to do is go to the reporting agency on the web to actually see who gives what to which candidate.
All these stories are eventually linked back to Paul sites.


57 posted on 06/06/2012 12:04:01 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: jpsb

“cut spending” , there is a reason Paul is known “earmark King of congress”......pssst it is not for cutting spending. (Oh unless it is to cripple the military)


58 posted on 06/06/2012 12:06:59 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: svcw
Well I know Paul always votes against increased spending and raising taxes. I know the GOPe increases spending and raises taxes either directly or indirectly by borrowing. So I will go with what I know for a fact.

I also know that Ron Paul as been consistently on message for at least 30 years. (He is my Congressman) So I am willing to believe him when he says "If we would just follow the Constitution everything would work out OK".

59 posted on 06/06/2012 12:08:31 PM PDT by jpsb
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To: jpsb
Again, Cut and Run gets his band of surrender monkeys to SAY they are military, just like Obama did. Some of the surrender monkeys support does come from civilians working for DOD, but not actual servicemen and women.
60 posted on 06/06/2012 12:10:59 PM PDT by John D
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To: jpsb

“oo funny isn’t it. Lol, GOPe really really does not like Ron Paul, but conservatives do. Particularly Constitutional/Fiscal conservatives.”

Only a percentage of conservatives do, and most of them are libertarians who really aren’t “conservatives”.

Paul is also loved by the OWS gang, the American Nazi party, the KKK, David Duke, Code Pink and a bunch of other groups that are as far from being “conservatives” as Obama and Soros are.

I don’t like Romney, but he’s a heck of a lot better than Obama or Paul.


61 posted on 06/06/2012 12:11:46 PM PDT by History Repeats
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To: svcw

“My experience is that most Paul supporters have projected onto him what they want him to be, not who he actually is.”

Just like they did to Obama in 2007.


62 posted on 06/06/2012 12:11:53 PM PDT by History Repeats
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To: svcw

I think the GOP is likely to split soon, Tea Party and Paul faction going one way and the GOPe going the other. The sooner the better.


63 posted on 06/06/2012 12:12:10 PM PDT by jpsb
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To: Sirius Lee
You Go Tell it Brother,

Go tell on the mountain

Over the hills and everywhere

Go tell it on the mountain Jesus Christ was born!

Those He set's free shall be free indeed

As a divine instrument of His strong hand, we thirst and hunger for righteousness in a land of plenty.

2Corinthians 7:14 If my people called by my name shall humble themselves and pray, repent of their sins and seek my face . I shall hear and turn and heal their land.

-a king forever in the Kingdom of God!

We have no more vital interests than those of the American people! Their is no such thing as extremism in the defense of liberty

We dont need foreign entanglements, we have enough gas & Oil to be energy self sufficient. Neither Zero, or Mittens have the balls to oppose the Progressive energy policies, radical environmental groups and entrenched legions of Government employees who are blessed and bribed by the Washington DC old guard. Neither man will put a stop to the theft of our inalienable rights. We have to pick the right candidate at our convention.

64 posted on 06/06/2012 12:12:48 PM PDT by STD ([You must help] people in the communityÂ…feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless)
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To: jpsb

Ok, here is the deal.
Paul votes against spending bills he knows will pass, after he loads them up the earmarks.
This maneuver allows him to claim he has voted against spending - it’s clever but not honest.
He always votes to cut foreign except when it comes to the palestinians - very anti-Semitic/Israel.
(Lets not get into he has never met a dictator he didn’t make excuses for)
His message has been the same for thirty years - ok, yet he never does anything but add on earmarks, to the bills he votes against the bill.


65 posted on 06/06/2012 12:17:55 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: jpsb

Tea Party people are strong on defense, Paul is a surrender monkey.


66 posted on 06/06/2012 12:19:55 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: History Repeats

I myself am a Constitutional Fiscal conservative that has a strong libertarian streak in me. Social issues are important, but only abortion and stopping the homosexual agenda would make my 10 issues. Tops on my list is restoring the Constitution Republic and on that issue only Paul seems to “get it”. My second issues is reducing government spending and lowing taxes, all taxes, federal, state, city and county.


67 posted on 06/06/2012 12:20:38 PM PDT by jpsb
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To: Graewoulf
"Ron Paul is of value to us in that those of us that want to crush Obama in a landslide, need an OPEN or Brokered Convention in Tampa, where there is the possibility of choosing a Nominee who could actually beat Obama."

While I agree with Ron Paul's fiscal and domestic economic policies, his ideas on the gold standard and foreign policy completely disqualify him as a viable candidate.

As for a brokered convention, you are living in a fantasy world. The closest we have come in the last 50 - 60 years to a brokered convention was Ronald Reagan/Gerald Ford in 1976. Reagan was a legit candidate not a fringe one and he couldn't pull it off. Even if there was some type of brokered convention as you envision, it would have to come down to the people who have delegates. There is not going to be a mystery man/woman come in on a white horse and take the nomination. It's not going to happen. You are deluding yourself if you think it will happen.

Face it, Romney is our candidate and all Paul and his Paulbots can do is make the convention out to look bad for Republicans and thereby strengthen Obama.
68 posted on 06/06/2012 12:21:44 PM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: jpsb
I also know that Ron Paul as been consistently on message for at least 30 years

Which message, the one that he spouts that 9/11 was America's fault? Or the message that he endorsed Cynthia McKinney for president in 2008? Or the message that says he wants to experiment with perverts in the military? Or the one that says all America needs is one submarine to protect out entire eastern shoreline? Or the message that he endorses OWS?

Cut and Run has been consistently on message. It is just that it is a message that the terrorists like, but not one that is good for America.
69 posted on 06/06/2012 12:21:56 PM PDT by John D
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To: svcw

Paul believes in a strong national defense, but just as Ike warned, we must beware the military-industrial complex. It seems to me the military-industrial complex is running our foreign policy to their own benefit. Perhaps never ending nation building wars are not really in our best interests?


70 posted on 06/06/2012 12:29:49 PM PDT by jpsb
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To: All

Beer time, enjoyed the discussion, later.


71 posted on 06/06/2012 12:32:54 PM PDT by jpsb
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

” - - - Face it, Romney is our candidate - - - “ who might win or lose to Obama in November by 0.1 %. Terrible odds from Romney himself last week.

Let us learn from the mistakes of Lame-Brain McCain, and bump up the odds so that the BEST Republican Nominee can beat Obama 60 to 40 % in November.

THE PLAN: Abstain on the first Tampa Convention Ballot and then OPEN the Convention to choosing the best Dark Horse team in the Republican Party.

As far as what is “going to happen” is in OUR hands, not some damn RINO High Poo-Bah!

The revolt against the RINO Wing of the Republican Party has begun!

‘Lead, follow, or get out of the way!’


72 posted on 06/06/2012 12:38:43 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: mountainlion

“Soros and Jimmy Carter supported Romney. I bet the new world order group are pulling strings.”

Soros also has been putting money in Ron Paul’s pocket. Glenn Beck exposed this a few months back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFSHGhq19CM&feature=share


73 posted on 06/06/2012 12:41:05 PM PDT by History Repeats
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To: All

If you’re a Paul supporter, here is a list that I grabbed off of FR that lays out Ron Paul. I know I’ll get flamed for this by some. But they sure can’t dispute it.

Ron Paul supports legal dope and prostitution
http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/05/06/Ron_Paul_on_Prostitution_Gay_Marriage/

Starts half way in the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mz9pDGHBTo&feature=related

Nevada prostitutes endorse Ron Paul
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/06/nevada-prostitutes-endorse-ron-paul/

White supremecist David Duke endorses Ron Paul;
http://patdollard.com/2011/12/former-kkk-grand-wizard-david-duke-says-he%E2%80%99s-voting-for-ron-paul/

Ron Paul refuses to disavow STORMFRONT associations
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/45537/ron-paul-refuses-to-disavow-stormfront-other-anti-semitic-racist-groups-openly-campaigning-for-him/

Ron Paul SUPPORTS NAMBLA
http://videosift.com/video/Does-Ron-Paul-Support-NAMBLA-Well-yes-and-no
http://www.dailypaul.com/70100/age-of-consent?page=1

Why do the Ron Paul guys support gay marriage?
http://www.queerty.com/ron-paul-on-gay-marriage-20071210/

the 2008 RONULAN economic advisor to Ron paul saying that libertarians need to infiltrate the GOP
Libertarians need to infiltrate the GOP
VIDEO of Schiff saying just that!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ncLTFoTFa8

An organization called Student Scholars for 9/11 Truth video taped an inpromtu appearance with Ron Paul and recorded some of his comments. They can be found here:
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/05/19/trutheriness-and-ron-paul/

While Ron Paul has said on TV shows such as Glen Beck that he dismisses the major theories, he openly says there is a coverup of what went on yet refuses to elaborate on just what is covered up. The 9/11 Comission clearly showed that intelligence failures happened because of Clinton era laws that prevented our inteligence agancies from communicating with each other.
On the website CONSPIRACY PLANET, information about Ron Paul and issues similar to this can be found:
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?ChannelID=90

Ron Paul has publically said that the CIA has accomplished a coup against America and needs to be taken out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dECSYm5bSM

A direct quote from this conference is as such:
(January 20, 2010) House Rep. Ron Paul says the CIA has in effect carried out a “coup” against the US government, and the intelligence agency needs to be “taken out.”
Speaking to an audience of like-minded libertarians at a Campaign for Liberty regional conference in Atlanta this past weekend, the Texas Republican said: “There’s been a coup, have you heard? It’s the CIA coup. The CIA runs everything, they run the military. They’re the ones who are over there lobbing missiles and bombs on countries...”
Additional video proof of him saying this here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SZKLvEOp9c

And here is one prominant website that supports the 9/11 conspiracy theories, calling for a RON PAUL PROVISIONAL ARMY to take over after we investigate the 9/11 events:
http://how911wasdone.blogspot.com/

Among the other kooky connections to Ron Paul, is a UFO COnnection. I have yet to find the original article, but numerous articles repeat the belief of Ron Paul’s that UFO’s are real. Some of the Ron Paul sites have soeone trying to mock this belief, but the Ron Paul site, DailyPaul.com says this:
http://dailypaul.com/node/125999

This has been repeated again in San Francisco, not known to support conservatives or Libertarians anyways, but associated with Ron Paul out there were UFO enthusiasts mentioned in this article:
http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2007/08/ron_pauls_ufo_sighter_friends.php

How is it that the kookiest ideas are surrounding Ron Paul?
Ron Paul, UFO disclosure, etc... simply nothing more than a pacifier — a distraction!
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message462483/pg1

Ron Paul supported by anti-war group CODE PINK
http://www.dailypaul.com/165272/anti-war-group-code-pink-counts-ron-paul-in-their-camp-on-israel-aid-opposition
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/18/rep-paul-codepink-camp-israel-aid-opposition/

Ron Paul and his acolytes are following George Soros on the defense of our nation, and connections between the two have been proved
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/01/02/ron-pauls-soros-defense-plan/

Tehran TV LOVES Ron Paul!
http://www.aim.org/special-report/tehran-tv-loves-ron-paul/

Ron Paul supported by anti-war group CODE PINK
http://www.dailypaul.com/165272/anti-war-group-code-pink-counts-ron-paul-in-their-camp-on-israel-aid-opposition

Glenn Beck exposes Ron Paul’s ties to Soros. Does it shock you, or does it do much to explain why Ron Paul is friendly with “Bawney” Frank and almost as bad as Obama is when it comes to illegal aliens and Islam? Listen to video please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFSHGhq19CM


74 posted on 06/06/2012 12:41:15 PM PDT by History Repeats
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Q. Is there a Ron Paul putsch under way?
A. No.


Q. Is there a lot of fear that Paul’s foreign policy to protect America only will gain wider acceptance?
A. Yes.


75 posted on 06/06/2012 12:45:44 PM PDT by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: jpsb; History Repeats

Ok?
I do not know what Ron Paul you are talking about, he certainly the one I know of.
see post #74
(ping since I referred to your post)


76 posted on 06/06/2012 12:46:13 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: History Repeats

Glenn Beck exposed this a few months back.
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Get back to me when RomneyBot Glenn Beck exposes Willards liberal record...


77 posted on 06/06/2012 12:48:40 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: ex-snook
. Is there a lot of fear that Paul’s foreign policy to protect America only will gain wider acceptance?

Cut and Run's policies already have wide acceptance with America's enemies. The surrender monkey and America's enemies would love to see America as weak as possible.
78 posted on 06/06/2012 1:02:09 PM PDT by John D
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To: ex-snook

That would depend on what you mean by “protect America” Paul means cut and run, capitulate to our enemies, makes excuses for thugs, neuter the military - I just don’t think it will go over very well.


79 posted on 06/06/2012 1:19:05 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: jpsb

“I think the GOP is likely to split soon, Tea Party and Paul faction going one way and the GOPe going the other. The sooner the better”

If Paul supporters split from any party it sure won’t be the GOP. He’s got more OWS and liberals supporting him than any GOP voters do. If he takes votes from any party it would be the Democrats. They are all in love with his anti-military, pro-drug legalization, pro-prostitution and his blame America first ideas than any “conservatives” are.

Pay attention to Paul, he says one thing and does another. He adds things to bills to spend more money but then when it’s known that the bill will pass he votes against it to look like he is against such spending. Paul is as crooked as a dogs hind leg.


80 posted on 06/06/2012 1:24:51 PM PDT by History Repeats
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To: Tennessee Nana

I’m well aware of Romney’s liberal record, but you seem to pick and choose what to believe about Paul.

I’m not a Romney supporter. I backed Cain first and then switched to Newt. Romney would be a “hold my nose” vote if it happens.

But I could NEVER bring myself to vote for Paul. With his ties to Soros, support of OWS, blame America first and many of his other crazy batsh!t ideas, I just can’t go that far. To me, voting for Paul would be just as bad as voting for Obama.


81 posted on 06/06/2012 1:25:03 PM PDT by History Repeats
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To: ncalburt

“Read my posts to the these radical Paul nutters on Monday.
You will see their bold faced radicalism in action.
They were so bold as to cry and whine that the LA GOP put a stop to their coup attempt.
Paul was crushed in the LA primary vote and came in dead last but these radicals want to control the delegation and screw the LA voters wishes.

These PAULBOTS are radical leftists getting marching orders from Axelrod and our Alinsky Pres.

These same radical swarmed over Hillary supporters using the same tactics in 2008.

GOP heads better stop these Obama drones posing as Paul supporters.”


Lies! I know these Paul supporters, and they hate Obama as much as they hate Mitt Romney. Whatever the case, anything that damages Mitt Romney and gets him off the ticket is fine by me. You feel an incredible need to comment on things you simply don’t understand or want to understand.


82 posted on 06/06/2012 1:57:42 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: ncalburt

just WHO do you support?

here is one of your old ...........posts

To: Jim Noble
Romney is the weakest option who will be crushed in a general election .
The Dems need Obamacare to be a non issue in 2012 and Mittens guarantees that .
Mittens is pro abortion ,pro global warming ,pro cap and trade , and pro
Govt .
The base will stay home thanks to his fire bombing of the other primary options .
He ran the most destructive hate filled primary campaign in my lifetime .
This guy hates the GOP voters .
He is John McCain part ii without the military story

48 posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:08:58 AM by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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83 posted on 06/06/2012 2:16:52 PM PDT by freedommom
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To: RaisingCain; ncalburt
These PAULBOTS are radical leftists getting marching orders from Axelrod and our Alinsky Pres.

I know many PaulBots, and many to most are as stated in the above statement.

84 posted on 06/06/2012 2:21:16 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
This is scary...

Why? Paul is no less worthless than Romney, maybe even less worthless than Romney.

85 posted on 06/06/2012 2:23:33 PM PDT by j_tull (Massachusetts once lead the American Revolution. Under Mitt Romney, it lead the demise.)
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To: jpsb
He's my congressman too!!
86 posted on 06/06/2012 2:28:50 PM PDT by freedommom
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To: History Repeats

I backed Cain first and then switched to Newt.
___________________________________________

So did I...

Your friend Glenn Beck never did have a decent thing to say about either men...

and I wont be voting for Romney in Nov...

I dont fancy having to subject my nose to torture...


87 posted on 06/06/2012 3:42:59 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: svcw

Getting marching orders from Axelrod and Alinsky President? It’s BS. I won’t deny that there is definitely a strong element of pro-Russian, anti-American views on foreign policy (inspired by the Alex Jones types. JR Nyquist notes it is a general trend that the left and the “right” across the world are generally converging upon certain themes that are not good for us), however, to pretend that they are all agents of Obama is simply stupid.


88 posted on 06/06/2012 5:30:58 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: Tennessee Nana

I also went from Cain to Newt.

And I also won’t be voting for that pathological liar Mitt Romney.

If the eeeevil PaulBots can succeed in mucking up the convention, I’m all for it. It’s not theft when you follow the rules.


89 posted on 06/06/2012 5:33:04 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: ex-snook

Paul’s foreign policy stances are better suited for 1812, not 2012. James Madison was a staunch supporter of a small to non existant Army and Navy (see the Federalist papers), yet realized that America can’t be protected by a bunch of militia after the war of 1812 and he saw the people’s house burned down.

We have to have a robust military, strategically forward placed in areas to protect our national interests. Paul doesn’t care if Iran gets a nuke, are you serious???? Paul wants to pull all the troops out of Afghanistan, are you serious??? These are stances that will allow our enemies to gain a start working on the next 9/11 and this time it will be a nuclear one.

Add to that his views on going back to the gold standard and some of his positions are just not credible. Yes, I agree with him that the Fed needs to be reformed but get rid of it and go back to the gold standard??? Seriously??? Do you really believe there’s enough gold available to support a 15 trillion dollar economy? Seriously???

I’m not happy with Mittens as our candidate, but he’s far better than Ron Paul and Barrack Obama.


90 posted on 06/07/2012 4:17:31 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: j_tull
"Why? Paul is no less worthless than Romney, maybe even less worthless than Romney."

See my post in #90 for a smattering of reasons why Ron Paul is a bad idea.
91 posted on 06/07/2012 4:18:51 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Tennessee Nana

LOL. I hear you. To be honest I’ve been sitting on the fence about voting for Romney. Can I hold back vomiting to pull the lever for him, or can I endure another 4 years of the rapid socialist takeover of America. Worse yet, can America survive?

I don’t know. I believe that all 3 candidates are in the pocket of Soros. Obama, Romney and Paul.

I am not a Glen Beck fan. Never really listened to him or watched his show on FOX, but this clip does lay out some very questionable links between Soros and Paul. I also think that it is interesting that up until Newt finally dropped out Paul wasn’t saying a thing about Romney. I always believed that Paul was helping Romney in some way.

Paul is just to screwed up for me to trust.


92 posted on 06/07/2012 3:38:57 PM PDT by History Repeats
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To: freedommom

The GOP candidate is Romney and we are stuck with him .
Obama and his operatives are beyond dangerous .
Eric Holder voter fraud program will destroy all out future elections
so Obama and his crew must go .
Romney is the only option .
That’s it .


93 posted on 06/08/2012 5:39:27 PM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

It seems to me that if the Paul-bots take delegates via sneaky, underhanded though technically-legal means, it just won’t be accepted by the voters. I think he be seen just as illegitimate, if not more so, than Obama.

Folks like me who just want Obama gone likely wouldn’t care as much, but all those moderates, centrists, right-leaning dems — all the folks who “vote like they’re told” by the MSM would be saturated with negative ads painting Paul as a back-room cheater. If the Paul-bots have to sneak delegates in this fashion, it stands to reason they can’t win in a fair fight. The tactic is useless without the ability to convince voters on Nov-06th.

I don’t see how Paul could effectively lead given those circumstances.


94 posted on 06/09/2012 5:45:22 AM PDT by jaydee770
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To: jaydee770

If what you want is a FAIR fight, you will INEVITABLY LOSE, period. Each and every single time. History is replete with examples, but all we need do is look at the Pacific campaigns of WWII. We would put as many as 20,000 Marines ashore to crush 4-5,000 Japanese. Neither side fought a “fair” fight. Both fought to WIN! Doing whatever it took.

If Dr. Paul and his people are following the law while fighting to win, then more power to them. We need a WINNER, not some pretty boy with good hair who fights “fair.”


95 posted on 06/15/2012 9:23:24 AM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE!!!)
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To: jaydee770

If what you want is a FAIR fight, you will INEVITABLY LOSE, period. Each and every single time. History is replete with examples, but all we need do is look at the Pacific campaigns of WWII. We would put as many as 20,000 Marines ashore to crush 4-5,000 Japanese. Neither side fought a “fair” fight. Both fought to WIN! Doing whatever it took. Look who won, though. When the Japanese knew their situation was hopeless, they simply fought to inflict casualties on their enemy.

If Dr. Paul and his people are following the law while fighting to win, then more power to them. We need a WINNER, not some pretty boy with good hair who fights “fair.”


96 posted on 06/15/2012 9:25:52 AM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE!!!)
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To: dcwusmc
If Dr. Paul and his people are following the law while fighting to win, then more power to them. We need a WINNER, not some pretty boy with good hair who fights “fair.”

That's not the point I was making. How does RuPaul get voters to pull the lever for him if he is perceived (and dog piled by the MSM, the Dems, The GOP and everyone else) as a dirty, back-room, cheater who stole the nomination via a technicality?

Personally, I'm voting for whoever is running against Obama and has the lead among likely voters. If that's RuPaul, then I'm voting for him. But there are a lot of moderates, centrists, indies, right-leaning dems, conservatives, RINOs, and every other demographic that may not feel the same way. I'd predict if RuPaul *stole* the nomination (technically legal or not) many voters would just skip voting for pres, or write someone in or otherwise hand the election to Obama.

Bad move by RuPaul in my opinion. He's better than Romney or Obama, but I doubt he can pull it off if he does it sneaky & dirty. Opinions may vary...

97 posted on 06/15/2012 3:11:03 PM PDT by jaydee770
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To: mvpel
Let me get this straight, they “stole” delegates by “following the rules?”

Yep; see "following the rules" is sort of strange and mystical, because it follows a deterministic approach. It completely subverts our Bureaucrarchy where the 'rules' are applied at the discretion of our overlords, representing our political leaders's will directly into our very lives.

98 posted on 06/25/2012 11:41:44 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: svcw
Tea Party people are strong on defense, Paul is a surrender monkey.

My response: So?
Isn't that the whole point of having Congress involved with cabinet-member selection> To smooth out his deficiency-/unstable-areas?

99 posted on 06/25/2012 11:58:48 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

So? So was to say the alterPaul and the T Party had anything in common was laughable.


100 posted on 06/26/2012 6:20:13 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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