Re:"Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man" Any evidence Valerie Sarruf is Obama's mom? (vanity)

Seizethecarp vanity commentary on Dr. Ron J. Polland youtube dated 08/07/11 ^ | August 1, 2012 | Seizethecarp (vanity)

[Fred Nerks]

...So when the Kenyan student lost his visa and had to leave the US in July '64, about the same time as a little "3" year old black boy shows up in Hawaii.....

The dark boy whose mother was 19 when Mary babysat a seven month old in August for Anna Obama, can be seen sitting next to zero who apparently has a birthday somewhat later than January, because he is younger and shows up in Hawaii with Stanley Ann Dunham in 1963 when she takes him to the zoo and decides to apply for a divorce which gives her custody; while the older boy ends up in Kenya with his father and Ruth.

Next questions: which child would have been named after his father and why did they need to call him 'David'?

[Fred Nerks]

...“She was 19, she’d promised her parents that she was going to finish college, even through she’d married.

I think you would find, if it was possible to obtain them, that the enrollment details for Fall 1960 would show the student was ANN S OBAMA. And ANN S OBAMA wasn't Stanley Ann Dunham. The enrollment details would also show her maiden name and her birhtdate. Unless the originals no longer exist...

[Brown Deer]

Cross-posting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3015864/replies?c=151

To: WildHighlander57
I believe he attempted to do so. The INS wasn’t buying it. Back then, they weren’t following that “Anchor baby” crap. Eisenhower deported hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants back in the 1950s, along with their US born children.
“Anchor baby” crap is a phenomena that started occurring in the 1970s according to Ann Coulter. Jeff Winston will tell you it was always the law, but he is full of Obama.

151 posted on 05/06/2013 8:22:23 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)

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To: DiogenesLamp
Diogenes lamp,

You’re right, I think bho SR was trying to stay based on something other than anchor baby, and the ina was getting wind of his running around w girls; I remember reading later on where one girls mom was writing to them complaining about it.

Back in 1961 good moral character was way more important than today.

The ina was also concerned about bho SR and SADO living in separate states.

(For clarification, the quote below is from greenperson:

Dr. Eowyn makes a very good point: If BHO the elder had acknowledged the birth of a US citizen son to the INS,that “anchor baby” would be his ticket to stay in the USA. Why didn’t he use that son as an argument against his own deportation,several years later,when he was kicked out of the USA? Barry was supposed to be living in Hawaii at the time,with his mother. Even though they were estranged,his “son” was still his son, wasn’t he?

98 posted on Sun May 05 2013 15:14:44 GMT-0500 (CDT) by Greenperson [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies | Report Abuse])

155 posted on 05/06/2013 9:01:38 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))

[Brown Deer]

www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3015864/replies?c=143

To: Greenperson

Looks like she gave birth to her first child not long after she arrived in Kenya, so Mark's birth year would be 1965...not that he's ever said when he was born.

143 posted on 05/05/2013 10:05:07 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Come Visit Tasmania!)

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To: Fred Nerks

Again, I am often amazed at your ability to ferret out information such as this.

152 posted on 05/06/2013 8:27:35 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)

[Fred Nerks]

Looks like she gave birth to her first child not long after she arrived in Kenya, so Mark's birth year would be 1965...not that he's ever said when he was born.

[Brown Deer]

Cross-posting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3015864/posts?page=163#143

To: Greenperson
From memory, both Elizabeth and Frank Laubach were in Kenya in 1958 when the kenyan started working for her as her secretary. She was instrumental in providing the funds for his flight to New York in August 1959, and his initial sponsor is shown as the Laubach Literacy Fund, as is Frank Laubach himself as a nearest contact in the US.
Frank Laubach spent something like 15 years as a missionary in the Philippines...

At first interview in Hawaii in September, the kenyan stated he only had enough funds for one or two semesters and needed to find work and a sponsor.

Elizabeth apparently provided funds from her own resources for his living expenses, but that stopped...when she advised him he should contact the AASF (African American Students Foundation) as she was now married (Kirk) and could no longer assist him financially.

True or not? If he did contact the AASF that would have brought him to the attention of Cora Weiss, who would not have known who or where he was, as he wasn’t connected in any way to the AIRLIFT, a fact which Cora Weiss has been forced to admit...recently:

“The first plane was paid for because Harry Belafonte, Jackie Robinson and Sidney Poitier, together signed a fundraising letter,” Mrs. Weiss said.

“In that first group of 1959, 81 students came.”

“Barack Obama missed out on a seat on that first plane. Luckily the two teachers stepped in and raised money for him to come over on a parallel flight,” she said.

“He picked up the scholarship from the University of Hawaii. And while he was there, he needed money for books and tuition and clothes, some of which we sent him.

“So he wasn’t on the airlift, but he was a member of the airlift family.”

http://www.mvgazette.com/news/2009/08/27/unlikely-events-recall-story-president

How-ever, if Cora did make funds available to him from the foundation, he must have ‘forgotten’ to acknowledge it, because he doesn’t, throughout his entire period in the US, show the AASF as a sponsor. He shows The Stokes-Phelps Fund which might have had some connection to the AASF, but that sponsor isn’t noted until he’s already at Harvard.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/54015762/Barack-Hussein-Obama-Sr-Immigration-File

Cora Weiss insists and insists that the AASF supported the kenyan, but although she says ‘I can show you check-butts’ and waves her hands around in the air very convincingly, there has never been any confirmation that he was a beneficiary of the AASF.

http://blip.tv/africana-librarians-council-/the-kenya-airlift-1959-1963-unearthing-africana-collections-and-providing-global-access-part-2-3579698

If you look at the INS docs you’ll find he worked for the pine-apple cannery The Dole Corp for one month. So other than the Laubach/Elizabeth Mooney-Kirk contribution and some casual work (washing dishes in a cafe?) that was all he had to live on in Hawaii, and as his associates stated in tribute letters, he lived in a small room with one hotplate for cooking, ‘rather like a hermit’ .

The INS docs show his forwarding address after he left Hawaii as - THE KOINONIA FOUNDATION in Baltimore,Maryland. Both Frank Laubach and Elizabeth were on the board of that foundation:

http://www.koinoniafoundation.com/history/

And to get back to your question...another American mother...who knows, it’s like the man said, I came here to drain the swamp, not kill the crocodiles, LOL....

163 posted on Monday, May 06, 2013 4:36:28 PM by Fred Nerks (Come Visit Tasmania!)

[Fred Nerks]

To: Peter Libra THE BOLD AND RECKLESS LIFE OF...

PAGE 202 seems to make it clear that Kezia was working in Mobasa while the kenyan lived in Nairobi with Ruth. That's 400 miles of very bad roads or overcrowded trains to make a visit. But, as Kezia says, she didn't care who he married, she remained his first wife...

And any children she might have have had, as his first wife, would have been his, regardless of whether he visited her or not. But when the time came to inherit, it was only Ruth who could show that Mark was his son. Mark would have inherited the kenyan's personal possessions, which, judging by comments from the kenyan student's friends, would have been scanty. He had spent at least one year sleeping on the couch in the house of a friend.

The land belonging to Onyango, his father, is still the subject of bitter contest. There was an elder brother who attended the school at Maseno with the kenyan student, and it appears he still lives in the village. His mother is 'granny' Sarah. I gather that while he lives, she's like the Queen Mother. She recently threatened to have Malik evicted from the village.

All is apparently not sweetness and light in that Clan.

61 posted on Sunday, 5 May 2013 3:17:57 PM by Fred Nerks

[Fred Nerks]

CROSS-POSTING:

To: ObligedFriend

...Wondering if only Kenyan citizens can inherit from their fathers estate.

The information that Mark inherited from his father comes from Dreams, so one needs to retain reservations. If you read the various articles out of Kenya that describe the life of the kenyan student after his marriage to Ruth broke down, he had nothing to leave. He drove a broken down Ford sedan that had been in a number of accidents, he had spent a year sleeping on a friends couch, and if you can believe his daughter Auma's account, there was no food where he was living at the time she went to visit him in Nairobi.

What Mark inherited would seem to be his personal belongings. I imagine that would include his documents and letters and any photographs...there were some photographs the kenyan sent home while he was in the US, which ended up in the hands of Daphne Barak, the photo journalist who visited 'granny' Sarah in the village. Other photographs ended up with Mark, some of which came from Ruth, and Mark showed these in a video.

It's complex. The kenyan had an older brother according to a teacher at the school in Maseno, records show that his name was recorded as Joseph. The students were apparently given english names at this Anglican school. Thus Joseph would have been Yusuf.

Just as Barak (or Barrak) would have been named an english equivalent, and the closest would have been BERWICK. That could be why he insisted on having his name pronounced as BEARIK.

Yusuf is shown as a son of Onyango and Sarah. Wiki has him as being born circ 1950's. Yet Malik (Roy Abongo) introduces him as UNCLE and he is described in an article out of Kenya as as small man with a moustache but that article, although it still exists, has had the photograph of the uncle removed.

As an uncle of Malik, this Yusuf is of the same generation as Barak/Berwick - although they had different mothers. The teacher at Maseno clearly states that JOSEPH was the elder of the two.

As the elder of the two brothers, it is JOSEPH/YUSUF who would inherit the land of his father ONYNAGO. And while he is still alive, Sarah holds a cultural position of authority in the Clan, and is able to refuse Malik, the son of Barak/Berwick permission to erect a mosque on the land, and when Malik became too demanding, she threatened to have him evicted.

Do you follow? If Barak Hussein Obama, son of Onyango, was actually the ELDEST SON of Onyango, Malik would have inherited. He would not have been in altercations with the second wife of his father. She would be beholden to Malik.

Why there's a need to keep the elder son out of the picture beats me, it might have something to do with Barak having been expelled from Maseno? It might be that the year of birth he quoted on his early INS documents, 1934, was actually the birth year of the older brother.

In any case, there's something not right. And that should not surprise any of us. Why would the deception and subterfuge commence with his arrival in Hawaii? The entire scenario, including the airlift story and the friendship with Tom Mboya is also a fabrication.

Did you get more than you asked for? Yes. That's because the devil is in the detail. One day, after Yusuf passes away and joins his ancestors, the position of Clan Elder will pass to Malik - and you will know when that happens, you'll see Malik wearing the cap and carrying the whisk, as the current Clan Elder does now:

[Fred Nerks]

cross-posting:

To: Greenperson

My point is that Kezia is reported to have been pregnant in 1961, even though her husband was in the USA. It’s the reason why BHO Sr. said he divorced her. What became of that child?

Have you ever seen an actual, genuine, provenanced family tree for the Onyango Clan from the village of Kogelo? Do we know what year the kenyan student was born? Can we be a 100% certain that it was Barack Hussein Obama who was born in 1934 who came to Hawaii, or might it have been his brother?

According to articles out of Kenya, one of the two was expelled, one of the two was arrested. Either of these events would have prevented the acceptance of a scholarship at a US university, as the applicant students were vetted by Tom Mboya himself. The kenyan student wasn't an AASF (African American Students Foundation) Grantee. He didn't pass muster. Elizabeth Mooney apparently paid for his airfare. His sponsors are shown as Elizabeth's employer: The Laubach Literacy Fund.

Cora Weiss, acting in some secretarial position for the AASF maintains that organisation sponsored him. Yet the kenyan never listed the AASF on his list of sponsors. He does list the Stokes-Phelps Fund, that was associated with the AASF. But he doesn't acknowledge their contribution as sponsor until he was already at Harvard.

Cora Weiss and Malcolm X met the first contingent of 81 students at Idlewild in September 1959. That was ONE MONTH after the kenyan student had already arrived in Hawaii. He boarded an aircraft in London and landed in New York in August. Kezia famously said that her son was six years old when she saw him off at the airport in Nairobi. Granted, that sounds like a mistake, but all things considered, trying to pin-point when Kezia's numerous offspring were born and who their father/s might have been, could be an exercise in futility. She maintains he came to visit her a number of times when she was working in Mombasa...while he was living in Nairobo with Ruth. How romantic. It didn't bother her who he married in the US she said, because she would always be his first wife. And she didn't need to add, any children she might have had while he was in the US, were also his.

120 posted on Monday, 6 May 2013 10:43:18 AM by Fred Nerks

[Fred Nerks]

cross-posting:

To: Peter Libra

BOOK EXCERPT

... What Obama found in Mooney was more complex. Part of her appeal for him was certainly the job. Working at the Literacy Center provided both social standing and the opportunity to rise. But Mooney and Obama also spent time together outside the office, enjoying rural drives and attending some of the popular evening dances. And that association brought a different kind of benefit for Obama. Among a certain kind of African man, just keeping company with a white woman provided considerable social status...

So you see, why I might wonder, just what was that missionary woman thinking, she encouraged him to write letters to various US universities seeking a scholarship, she, or the Laubach Literacy Fund, paid for his airfare to Hawaii, she contributed toward his living expenses during the early period in Hawaii, he only had enough funds for one semester, according to himself at an early interview...and all this, while he had a wife who was pregnant and a young child when he left Kenya. Is that how a missionary would behave? Encourage a young man to leave his wife and family...JUST WHO DID SHE ASSUME WAS GOING TO SUPPORT THEM?

137 posted on Monday, 6 May 2013 12:54:45 PM by Fred Nerks

[Fred Nerks]

ALL ROADS LEAD TO BOSTON?

The kenyan student and his brother Omar, photographed together. They shared accommodation at the Magazine Street Boston address. When might that have been taken? They both look older than they might have been in 1964 when the kenyan student departed from Boston - and Omar also seems more than 19 years old, as he would have been in 1964...when he was attending a private high school in Boston. So it would seem, as Omar never showed up again in the village in Kenya, and the family described him as 'lost' - The photograph dates from the kenyan's visit to the US in 1970-71 and is of the same period as when you see him with zero at the airport in Hawaii.

The result? Omar wasn't lost. They all knew where he was. And when she was old enough, Zeituni also went to Boston. And that's why, when Zeituni was found, they also found Omar.

And in August 1961, Stanley Ann Dunham told Susan Blake she was flying out to Boston on that same day.

ROUND AND ROUND WE GO, AND WE ALWAYS END UP IN BOSTON.

[Seizethecarp]

Cross-Posting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3015864/posts?page=136#136

To: Peter Libra

...The explanation about a cover up, was that a high ranking official such as Barack Sr. would not want it known. It would diminish his stature with that kind of cultural outlook.
Frankly, I have grave doubts that he was married to Kezia at all, yes, there is a photograph of him sitting with Elizabeth Mooney, Kezia who has a young child with her, and a male person, at a picnic...but that woman and her child could also belong to an absent older brother of the kenyan student, and Elizabeth Mooney’s relationship with the kenyan student wasn’t exactly squeaky clean either, Nairobi gossip was apparently rife with the pair going for long country drives and going dancing together. He visited her in her home, she took photographs of him. There has to be a reason why he used two birth years, and why the older brother who attended school with him at Maseno was ‘disappeared’ and why his birth year shows as circa 1950’s on wiki, when he was patently of the same generation as the kenyan student...

All this is just speculation and I - after much study and research are none the wiser. (chuckle).

And to be totally honest, neither am I...a high ranking official he certainly wasn’t. He worked for Shell Oil in Nairobi, he didn’t enter the Finance Ministry until AFTER MBOYA WAS ASSASSINATED.

The 75-year-old adds he knew Obama Sr when he worked for BP/Shell in Nairobi. “One of his friends was President Kibaki. One day when I was walking with him in Nairobi, Kibaki, then the Minister for Finance stopped his car next to us and offered him a lift,” says Tolo. He adds: “The President rode with him to his office and I am told that was the day he got a job in the Treasury as an economist.”

SOURCE

136 posted on Sunday, May 5, 2013 10:36:34 PM by Fred Nerks (Come Visit Tasmania!)

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BOOK EXCERPT

... What Obama found in Mooney was more complex. Part of her appeal for him was certainly the job. Working at the Literacy Center provided both social standing and the opportunity to rise. But Mooney and Obama also spent time together outside the office, enjoying rural drives and attending some of the popular evening dances. And that association brought a different kind of benefit for Obama. Among a certain kind of African man, just keeping company with a white woman provided considerable social status...

So you see, why I might wonder, just what was that missionary woman thinking, she encouraged him to write letters to various US universities seeking a scholarship, she, or the Laubach Literacy Fund, paid for his airfare to Hawaii, she contributed toward his living expenses during the early period in Hawaii, he only had enough funds for one semester, according to himself at an early interview...and all this, while he had a wife who was pregnant and a young child when he left Kenya. Is that how a missionary would behave? Encourage a young man to leave his wife and family...JUST WHO DID SHE ASSUME WAS GOING TO SUPPORT THEM?

137 posted on Sunday, May 5, 2013 10:54:45 PM by Fred Nerks (Come Visit Tasmania!)

[Seizethecarp]

Cross-posting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3015864/posts?page=140#140

To: Fred Nerks

Is it just me or do all these white women resemble each other? SAD, Mooney, and Ruth Baker?

140 posted on Monday, May 6, 2013 12:15:55 AM by Greenperson

[Seizethecarp]

Cross-posting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3015864/posts?page=163#163

To: Greenperson

From memory, both Elizabeth and Frank Laubach were in Kenya in 1958 when the kenyan started working for her as her secretary. She was instrumental in providing the funds for his flight to New York in August 1959, and his initial sponsor is shown as the Laubach Literacy Fund, as is Frank Laubach himself as a nearest contact in the US.
Frank Laubach spent something like 15 years as a missionary in the Philippines...

At first interview in Hawaii in September, the kenyan stated he only had enough funds for one or two semesters and needed to find work and a sponsor.

Elizabeth apparently provided funds from her own resources for his living expenses, but that stopped...when she advised him he should contact the AASF (African American Students Foundation) as she was now married (Kirk) and could no longer assist him financially.

True or not? If he did contact the AASF that would have brought him to the attention of Cora Weiss, who would not have known who or where he was, as he wasn’t connected in any way to the AIRLIFT, a fact which Cora Weiss has been forced to admit...recently:

“The first plane was paid for because Harry Belafonte, Jackie Robinson and Sidney Poitier, together signed a fundraising letter,” Mrs. Weiss said.

“In that first group of 1959, 81 students came.”

“Barack Obama missed out on a seat on that first plane. Luckily the two teachers stepped in and raised money for him to come over on a parallel flight,” she said.

“He picked up the scholarship from the University of Hawaii. And while he was there, he needed money for books and tuition and clothes, some of which we sent him.

“So he wasn’t on the airlift, but he was a member of the airlift family.”

http://www.mvgazette.com/news/2009/08/27/unlikely-events-recall-story-president

How-ever, if Cora did make funds available to him from the foundation, he must have ‘forgotten’ to acknowledge it, because he doesn’t, throughout his entire period in the US, show the AASF as a sponsor. He shows The Stokes-Phelps Fund which might have had some connection to the AASF, but that sponsor isn’t noted until he’s already at Harvard.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/54015762/Barack-Hussein-Obama-Sr-Immigration-File

Cora Weiss insists and insists that the AASF supported the kenyan, but although she says ‘I can show you check-butts’ and waves her hands around in the air very convincingly, there has never been any confirmation that he was a beneficiary of the AASF.

http://blip.tv/africana-librarians-council-/the-kenya-airlift-1959-1963-unearthing-africana-collections-and-providing-global-access-part-2-3579698

If you look at the INS docs you’ll find he worked for the pine-apple cannery The Dole Corp for one month. So other than the Laubach/Elizabeth Mooney-Kirk contribution and some casual work (washing dishes in a cafe?) that was all he had to live on in Hawaii, and as his associates stated in tribute letters, he lived in a small room with one hotplate for cooking, ‘rather like a hermit’ .

The INS docs show his forwarding address after he left Hawaii as - THE KOINONIA FOUNDATION in Baltimore,Maryland. Both Frank Laubach and Elizabeth were on the board of that foundation:

http://www.koinoniafoundation.com/history/

And to get back to your question...another American mother...who knows, it’s like the man said, I came here to drain the swamp, not kill the crocodiles, LOL....

163 posted on Monday, May 6, 2013 5:36:28 PM by Fred Nerks (Come Visit Tasmania!)

[Fred Nerks]

Ruth and Elizabeth and Stanley Ann Dunham.

[Brown Deer]

Cross-posting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3016152/posts?page=23#23

To: Seizethecarp; null and void; Red Steel; rxsid; Spaulding; circumbendibus; Flotsam_Jetsome
I know I sound like a broken record, but I truly believe that Orly Taitz, whether intentionally or not, destroyed the credibility of the NBC issue.

Does anyone remember the circumstances of my being kicked out of the birther club? It began with my criticism of Orly Taitz.

20 posted on 05/06/2013 5:48:41 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I’m the other kind. ~Steve Earle)

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To: BuckeyeTexan
Curiously, MSNBC did NOT run video of Orly in their opening collage. Instead they had the cheek to run Sheriff Arpaio declaring Barry’s BC to be a forgery!

23 posted on 05/06/2013 6:43:14 AM PDT by Seizethecarp ((Defend aircraft from “runway kill zone” mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)

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To: MMaschin
“To me it looks like the media may be trying to argue for Cruz being eligible. Why might they need to do this? IF the evidence that is going to come out in AL case shows that Obama was actually born outside of the US, then the media want’s the public to have the perception that it still doesn’t matter. ‘Hey... Ted Cruz is eligible, and so it Obama’.”

Sure looks like that to me. Them playing the tape of Arpaio declaring the BC to be a fake followed by saying Kenya birth OK shows they are concerned that Arpaio’s Posse is closing on the “person or persons” who forged the BC and whoever “knew or should have known” that it was forged (like Barry and Pelosi).

34 posted on 05/06/2013 9:15:30 AM PDT by Seizethecarp ((Defend aircraft from “runway kill zone” mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)

[Brown Deer]

Cross-posting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3015864/replies?c=110

To: Greenperson
http://www.doctorzebra.com/imprez/44tree.png

Roy/Abongo was the first of the kids BHO and Kezia had.

Family tree is in the link, and the kids have numbers next to to their names.

Greenperson wrote:

My point is that Kezia is reported to have been pregnant in 1961,even though her husband was in the USA. It’s the reason why BHO Sr. said he divorced her. What became of that child?

110 posted on 05/05/2013 3:50:08 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))

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To: WildHighlander57
“My point is that Kezia is reported to have been pregnant in 1961,even though her husband was in the USA. It’s the reason why BHO Sr. said he divorced her.”

I haven’t seen any evidence to support that claim and there is evidence that refutes it up through at least May 1962:

http://www.wnd.com/2010/11/226349/

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A letter Barack Obama Sr. wrote in 1962 raises new questions about the veracity of the official Obama nativity story related by Barack Obama Jr. in his autobiography, “Dreams from My Father.”

In a May 1962 letter he wrote from Hawaii to his political benefactor in Kenya, Tom Mboya, Barack Obama Sr. discusses his “wife,” but without mentioning Ann Dunham, his Hawaiian bride and the mother of the future president.

Toward the end of the letter, Obama wrote, “You know my wife is in Nairobi there and I would really appreciate any help you may give her.”

Clearly Obama Sr. is referring to his first wife, Kezia Aoko, whom he had married in 1954 at age 18 while she was pregnant with their first child. Obama left Kenya in 1959 to study in Hawaii.

He instructs Mboya that his wife Kezia was then staying with her brother, Wilson Odiawo, in Nairobi.

end quote

118 posted on 05/05/2013 5:28:55 PM PDT by Seizethecarp ((Defend aircraft from “runway kill zone” mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)

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To: WildHighlander57
I’m aware of those alleged children of BHO Sr. (”Alleged” because even BHO Sr.’s stepmother Sarah, who was in Kenya and witnessed many of these births, doubted herself that all of the children credited to him were truly his.)

None of the children in that family tree are reported to have been born in Kenya in 1961—not Roy, Auma, Abo (Samson), or Bernard.

Even though BHO II himself claimed that honor via his publisher, for 17 years.

Are we to believe that every child of Kezia’s is listed there, especially if the circumstances of one’s birth are potentially shameful or at least very inconvenient?

Are we to believe that all the children listed there are truly BHO Sr.’s children? Is doctorzebra the final word on Obama family trees?

At the link I gave previously ( https://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2011/11/14/obama-mystery-theater-kezias-baby/ ), there’s evidence from a friend of BHO Sr.’s (Leo Odera), who reported to a biographer of the so-called president that Kezia became pregnant by another man while BHO Sr. was in Hawaii. That, he says, is exactly why BHO Sr. stopped writing to Kezia, why he claimed that he divorced her (the Muslim way), and why he started to look for another wife.

If it’s true that Kezia became pregnant, and if she subsequently gave birth to a son in Kenya in 1961, then that son might have been reported to the government as BHO Sr.’s child because Kezia was still listed as his legal widow in Kenyan government records after his death.

Was that child Barry?

He may have been Barry: an inconvenient child who was shipped off for adoption by Stanley Ann after a hurriedly arranged marriage to BHO Sr. It’s a possibility.

122 posted on 05/05/2013 5:58:28 PM PDT by Greenperson

[Brown Deer]

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3014345/replies?c=120

To: penelopesire
“They might worry that he will be assisting Al Qeada to overthrow their regime next. ????”

Barry will be assisting the Brotherhood, not AQ, IMO.

120 posted on 04/30/2013 10:37:16 PM PDT by Seizethecarp ((Defend aircraft from “runway kill zone” mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)

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To: Seizethecarp
Not much difference between the MB and AQ , is there? Seems like Obama is helping radical Islamists all over the ME instill their caliphate. The Saudi regime may be getting nervous that they will be next. Saudi Arabia is the big prize in these jihadist fantasies.

184 posted on 05/01/2013 5:50:53 AM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)

[Brown Deer]

[Brown Deer]

Cross-posting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3012319/replies?c=198

To: Ray76
“Did the document ever exist physically or is it an electronic assemblage?”

No and Yes, if Zullo’s certified digital document laboratory report concludes what he claims it concludes.

The “tells” are piled on “tells” all meant to create plausible deniability and/or the necessity for another hearing and then another until (Barry’s legal team hopes) Barry leaves office.

By October 15, two weeks after the Barrycare exchange premiums arrive in mailboxes, Barry will be the most reviled president in US history and even his owm party will be ready to throw him under the bus, IMO.

The Chicago Commie Cartel for whom Barry is a sock-puppet get angry and vicious at Barry when he screws up and they are faced with losing power...like they did after Barry blew the first debate. They were livid then and they will be even more livid soon.

They MUST recapture the House and a 60 vote filibuster proof margin in the Senate to have any hope of “fixing” Barrycare and then pushing Hilarious in 2016 to maintain the gravy-train for the Dems. They will dump Barry and muddle through with Biden if Barry looks like he is going down.

198 posted on 04/27/2013 7:11:21 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from “runway kill zone” mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)

[Brown Deer]

Cross-posting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3001114/posts?page=963#963

Wednesday, April 24, 2013 10:19:35 AM · 963 of 974
Seizethecarp to WildHighlander57; Yosemitest

“And since there was a divorce, there was a marriage.”

A bigamous marriage is a legal nullity in both the US and Kenya. It did not happen.

The INS FOIA documents show that the US government had recorded Sr.’s marriage in Kenya and had doubts about the legitimacy of the claimed marriage to Stanley Ann, as did UH and Harvard.

IANAL, but it appears to me that If Ann gave birth in Kenya as a legally single mom, she DID meet the one year US residency requirements to pass statutory citizenship at birth to Barry.

I believe that Barry’s legal team has already anticipated making the claim that his mom was legally single when she gave birth in Kenya because dicta from the Marguet-Pillado case has been inserted into the Congressional Research Service (CRS) definition of “natural born citizen” and also in motion to dismiss filings in state courts.

See my vanity thread on Marguet-Pillado:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2857598/posts

In support of the opinion in US v Marguet-Pillado, 9th Cir. 2011, Judge Gwin, writing for the majority in his “III Analysis” dicta, states: “No one disputes that Marguet-Pillado’s requested instruction was ‘an accurate statement of the law,’ in that it correctly stated the two circumstances in which an individual born in 1968 is a natural-born United States citizen: (1) that the person was born in the United States or (2) born outside the United States to a biologically-related United States citizen parent who met certain residency requirements.”

On March 1, Sheriff Arpaio’s Posse re-opened the possibility that Obama was born in Kenya by announcing that it had found probable cause to believe that Obama’s long form birth certificate was forged, newspaper birth announcements were unreliable, and that there was now no proof that Obama was born in the USA.

A week earlier, with full knowledge of what the Arpaio Posse’s findings would be, “constitutional scholar” Obama’s legal team suddenly started citing the Marguet-Pillado case in multiple PA and GA ballot eligibility state appeals. The following language is included by Obama’s lawyers in the PA and GA MTD filings:

“President Obama was a United States citizen from the moment of his birth in Hawaii. Since he held citizenship from birth, all Constitutional qualifications have been met. Ankeny v. Governor of State of Indiana, 916 N.E.2d 678 (Ind. App., 2009); see,United States v. Marguet-Pillado , 648 F.3d 1001, 1006 (9thCir., 2011). There is no basis to question the President’s citizenship or qualifications to hold office.”

www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2011/08/.../10-50041.pdf

Notice how they are covering Barry’s butt two ways. First by citing the (delusional) Ankeny case trying to make him NBC if born in the USA, and then throwing in the Marguet-Pillado dicta for no apparent reason other than to cover Barry if he was born outside the USA.

Wednesday, April 24, 2013 2:43:15 PM · 966 of 974
Seizethecarp to Yosemitest; WildHighlander; LucyT; circumbendibus; Flotsam_Jetsome

“I see what you’re saying. But I disagree about the legality viewpoint of Stanley Ann’s marriage.
She was married and she was divorced.”

I do not claim to know how SCOTUS would rule at the end of the day on Barry’s citizenship which can only happen when full discovery is obtained through documents and witnesses in both HI and, likely, Kenya, and also the UK because Kenya was a UK colony at the time of birth.

I do know it is fact that a bigamous marriage is a legal nullity (never existed). What I do not know is how and when a marriage gets declared to be a nullity.

Who has standing to bring such an action? If both parties are dead and there are no competing claims on an estate, doe a clearly bigamous marriage govern whether a baby gets to be or not to be a UK subject or US citizen by default?

Are there cases where marriages that were bigamous where declared null and void after both parties were dead?

IANAL, but if I have some time I might look into that, but until there is more discovery it would be a wild goose chase.

Perhaps if the Posse delivers on proving that Barry’s BC was forged it will open up the marriage issue and the true birth location issue.

Wednesday, April 24, 2013 2:55:41 PM · 967 of 974
Seizethecarp to WildHighlander57; Yosemitest

“Then the fallback/counter position would be that 0’s fathers British citizenship would govern his sons nationality, making 0 a dual citizen.”

The 1948 BNA that governs the children of BHO Sr. EXCLUDES illegitimate children. The 1902 Kenya Colony marriage act deems non-Muslim, non-tribal marriages to be bigamous especially if illegal in the location of the marriage, which a bigamous marriage would have been in HI as well as Kenya.

Here is a cut-and paste from earlier research and posting that I did:

• See Kenya Marriage Act of 1902 paragraph #49:
49. Whoever contracts a marriage under this Act, being at the time married in accordance with native law or custom or in accordance with Mohammedan law to any person other than the person with whom such marriage is contracted, shall be guilty of an offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.

kenyalaw.org/family/statutes/...?file=The+marriage+act.pdf

• BNA of 1948 Legitimation of persons born out of wedlock:

23.—(1) A person born out of wedlock and legitimated by the subsequent marriage of his parents shall, as from the date of the marriage or of the commencement of this Act, whichever is later, be treated, for the purpose of determining whether he is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies, or was a British subject immediately before the commencement of this Act, as if he had been born legitimate.

(2) A person shall be deemed for the purposes of this section to have been legitimated by the subsequent marriage of his parents if by the law of the place in which his father was domiciled at the time of the marriage the marriage operated immediately or subsequently to legitimate him, and not otherwise.

http://www.uniset.ca/naty/BNA1948.htm

“(2) Subject to the provisions of section twenty-three of this Act, any reference in this Act to a child shall be construed as a reference to a legitimate child; and the expressions “father”, “ancestor” and “descended” shall be construed accordingly.”

http://www.uniset.ca/naty/BNA1948.htm

• The Illegality/Un-Constitutionality of Dual Citzenship

Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:00:02 PM • 28 of 28
Seizethecarp to PugetSoundSoldier

“Yet you can be granted citizenship by other nations, and it will be accepted. So is the problem with dual citizenship or not?”

NBC is a condition of birth which is impervious to foreign claims. If a person, after the age of majority undertakes to acquire and is granted citizenship of another country, that has nothing to do with and does not negate NBC status.

“The problem” with Obama is that his stated biography (assuming a non-bigamous marriage of his parents) with his UK subject father would make Barry “governed by the BNA of 1948” and thus a dual UK-US citizen at birth. Barry would be a native born citizen (born on US soil if, indeed, he was) but not a natural born citizen, according to some constitutional scholars.

If Barry’s parents had a bigamous marriage due to his father’s previous Kenya marriage to Kezia, Barry would be the illegitimate son of a legally single US citizen mom and would be NBC under US law because he would not be a dual citizen. The BNA of 1948 does not pass citizenship to illegitimate children.

If Barry were actually born in Kenya and his HI vital record came about as a result of a fraudulent report of a home birth or some sort of post-birth amendment (so far hidden by HI vital records due to Barry refusing a release) Barry would not be NBC or even a US citizen due to the age of his mother under US law at the time.

Wednesday, April 24, 2013 5:21:47 PM · 970 of 974
Seizethecarp to Yosemitest; WildHighlander57; Flotsam_Jetsome; circumbendibus

“Barry is an ILLEGAL ALIEN, because his father was a “TRANSIENT ALIEN” and never intended on Immigrating to the United States.”

I don’t believe that the on-point court rulings have been made for me to share that conclusion. None of the fact patterns of prior cases match Barry’s fact pattern narrative (or multitude of narratives).

IMO, only SCOTUS can ultimately decide what NBC means as applied to Barry and ONLY after full discover has been made.

Included in that discovery would be a ruling by the UK Supreme Court that Barry was a UK subject at birth in Kenya Colony.

Short of rulings by the highest US and UK courts with full discovery, I am not prepared to declare Barry to be a citizen, an NBC or a non-citizen.

There is zero chance of that happening in civil court before Barry leaves office, I for now I must look to the AZ Posse to nail him for forgery in criminal court and hope that it reveals where he was born.

Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:04:37 PM · 973 of 974
Seizethecarp to Yosemitest

The entire US Congress failed to object to Barry being inaugurated TWICE knowing fully well that his “authenticated” (by Hawaii) legal father was a transient alien and subject of the UK.

SCOTUS refused to touch several cases (Donofrio’s was the best, IMO) that it could have taken if they wanted to rule Barry ineligible. The Bush admin. asked the Kenyan gov’t to try to find Barry’s Kenyan BC, as Corsi reported in his book, WTBC, but came up dry.

So all three branches of government gave Barry a pass in 2008 and doubled-down in 2012. So the NBC issue is functionally dead as a practical matter.

IMO this goes back to the deal apparently cut between the Dems and the GOP-e not to challenge each others likely ineligible candidates in 2008.

What is NOT dead is criminal forgery and conspiracy to hide what is likely a foreign birth, IMO. The elite have brainwashed to public to think that “born on US soil is NBC,” so even though Barry’s legal team has a clear strategy to claim he was NBC at birth even if born in Kenya (Marguet-Pillao), the public will have a hard time buying it.