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Re:"Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man" Any evidence Valerie Sarruf is Obama's mom? (vanity)
Seizethecarp vanity commentary on Dr. Ron J. Polland youtube dated 08/07/11 ^ | August 1, 2012 | Seizethecarp (vanity)

Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp

"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland

The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.

In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.

Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?

Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.

For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!

Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.

For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.

The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?

In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.

Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.


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To: GregNH

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2006/09/obama_africa_lessons_look_ahea.html

Obama: Africa lessons; look ahead. En route back to U.S.
By Lynn Sweet on September 3, 2006 8:40 AM

‘...Obama’s next big international journey will be in 2007r—he’s looking at China, India and Indonesia, ``where ironicall I actually have more of a childhood than I do in Kenya.’’’

Cunning. He didn’t have a childhood in Kenya. The son of the kenyan student and Anna Obama did.


1,521 posted on 05/19/2013 7:51:33 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: little jeremiah; GregNH; Brown Deer

Note the handwritten Memo. Another wife in Cambridge?

It's not until you pick up the trail of Anna and Stanley Ann Dunham, that one can follow what's going on here; of course they would suspect he had a wife in Cambridge, he was telling his Harvard associates he visited his son, and now that we understand who the two little boys are, and that they must both have been with auntie Ella, it's no great mystery...it was just a hop and a skip and jump from Magazine Street to Dale Street.


1,522 posted on 05/19/2013 9:35:50 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Would the wife in Cambridge (if there really was one) have been Ruth? Isn’t that the right time frame?

Also interesting to finally know where the photo of the two boys was taken. Wondered about that. Now, THAT makes me wonder about that toddler in diapers photo of Zero next to a typical Hawaiian beach shack with a croton plant and outside sink. Obviously Hawaii, and in the HI photo he looks just a little younger than in this one, maybe 6 months, he’s in diapers. Looks as though as a very young child and baby he was dragged around to many places.

(Why on EARTH would women be attracted to him [Sr 0bama from Kenya]??? I know, I know, otherwise the human race would be extinct.)


1,523 posted on 05/19/2013 9:52:15 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Fred Nerks

Even though Zero might have been very tall for his age (although some other school photos don’t show him as unusually tall) I’m wondering about that photo of him with Scott. More evidence of much travel.


1,524 posted on 05/19/2013 9:53:31 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

NO! The idea that he had a wife in Cambridge would have come about as the result of him telling his associates he VISITED HIS SON.

Ruth followed him to Kenya a short time after he left the US. They apparently married on Christmas Eve 1964.


1,525 posted on 05/19/2013 10:03:41 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: little jeremiah
...Also interesting to finally know where the photo of the two boys was taken.

There's no way of knowing where that photograph was taken, what we are attempting to do is follow what the people involved are telling us; when Stanley Ann Dunham told Susan Blake she was flying out to Boston that same day to find work and accommodation, it's a fair question to ask, who would she have known in Boston? The man she convinced Susan was her 'husband' would not be in Boston for almost another year, so she would hardly have chosen to go to Boston unless she knew someone there. Aside from the fact that she had a three week old child with her that obviously wasn't hers.

The kenyan student, once he was living at Magazine Street and attanding Boston, told his associates that he regularly visited his son. And those visits would hardly have been back to Hawaii, or even Seattle. But Auntie Ella living across the river in Roxbury, that makes sense.

As zero, the boy on the left of the image wasn't the son of the kenyan, and the dark boy of the right probably is, it's quite possible the two boys were somewhere together at the same time, or they wouldn't be seen sitting next to each other.

One is the son of the kenyan and the other isn't.

And I can't say NOW WE KNOW because that's just what it looks like. People need to be allowed to make up their own minds.

1,526 posted on 05/19/2013 10:19:09 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Okay, that’s pretty much what I remembered about Ruth. But I thought they might have been living together when he was in Boston or something.


1,527 posted on 05/19/2013 11:23:50 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Fred Nerks

Yes, I stand corrected. Right after I hit “post” I realized I don’t really “know”, it just looks as thought it could be likely. It also looks as though he had been to or spent some tme in HI before that photo with the dark boy was taken.


1,528 posted on 05/19/2013 11:26:19 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

It’s doubtful they lived together, her parents were against her going to Kenya. You need to go through the immigration file before trying to reach any conclusions. Her name and the names of her parents are redacted but it’s quite apparent who they were.
Only Sally Jacobs who had the unredacted file for two years before she published her book, would know for certain. Sally changed the entire wiki entry on Ruth a few days before the book was released.

http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2011/11/21/obama-mystery-theater-ruth-nidesand/


1,529 posted on 05/19/2013 11:45:36 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: little jeremiah
... It also looks as though he had been to or spent some tme in HI before that photo with the dark boy was taken.

Any tropical location with a beach shack would do, it doesn't have to be Hawaii; although, as you have indicated, it looks familiar to someone who lived there. The child Susan saw was supposedly three weeks of age, the toddler image is one year + so maybe it's a snapshot of a holiday in Florida? I really have no idea.

Does it ever get warm enough in Boston to run around like that?

1,530 posted on 05/19/2013 11:55:13 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

That baby is holding a hammer, definitely not Obama


1,531 posted on 05/19/2013 11:57:33 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

Same place, same boy, same day - same toy.

1,532 posted on 05/20/2013 12:17:53 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: GeronL

Someone stuck fake plastic ears on all of them to make them look alike?

1,533 posted on 05/20/2013 12:26:17 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

That toy was not in the previous picture, it wa a toy hammer or mallet... is a toy xylophone or something?


1,534 posted on 05/20/2013 12:29:11 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Fred Nerks

lol

I never said it wasn’t the same kid.


1,535 posted on 05/20/2013 12:31:54 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

I think the hammer is part of the toy tool-kit on wheels.


1,536 posted on 05/20/2013 2:50:07 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Brown Deer; MarthaT; Fred Nerks; LucyT

Seems to be some doubt about Nancy’s date of birth. nndb have c for circa “around”. They don’t usually say that. Even for Obamski they are more definite. Ha Ha.

Nancy Cantor
Born: c. 1952
Birthplace: New York City

Gender: Female
Race or Ethnicity: White
Sexual orientation: Straight
Occupation: Educator

Nationality: United States
Executive summary: Chancellor, Syracuse University

Husband: Steven R. Brechin (sociologist, one daughter, one son)
Daughter: Maddy
Son: Archie

University: AB, Sarah Lawrence College (1974)
University: PhD Psychology, Stanford University (1978)
Professor: Princeton University (1978-83)
Professor: University of Michigan (1983-91)
Professor: Psychology, Princeton University (1991-96)
Administrator: Dean, Rackham School of Graduate Studies, University of Michigan (1996-)
Administrator: Provost and EVP Academic Affairs, University of Michigan (1997-2001)
Administrator: Trustee, Sarah Lawrence College (-2005)
Professor: Psychology, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (2001-04)
Administrator: Chancellor, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (2001-04)
Professor: Psychology and Women’s Studies, Syracuse University (2004-)
Administrator: Chancellor, Syracuse University (2004-)
American Academy of Arts and Sciences
American Council on Education Past Chairman
Hillary Clinton for President
National Academy of Sciences Institute of Medicine
Science Debate 2008

NNDB: Tracking the entire world
nndb.com Found on: Yahoo! Search
NNDB is an intelligence aggregator that tracks the activities of people

http://www.nndb.com/people/947/000165452/


1,537 posted on 05/20/2013 3:58:21 AM PDT by ABrit
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To: Fred Nerks

The Palm tree and the outdoor sink would indicate a place that doesn’t get below freezing.


1,538 posted on 05/20/2013 9:49:04 AM PDT by GregNH (If you can't fight, please find a good place to hide!)
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To: ABrit; LucyT
Seems to be some doubt about Nancy’s date of birth.

How so? They don't know her birthday and I do. What's your point? They don't list her middle name either or the middle name of her husband, Steven Robert Brechin, who was born on July 9, 1953 in Lansing. Oh, whoops, those facts must be questionable because they are not on nndb! No birthdate for Madeleine or Archie, who were born on April 6, 1985 and November 5, 1989 in Ann Arbor.

And btw, she was married to Steven Brechin on June 12, 1982 in Ann Arbor, and why is her first husband Adam Fieldsteel missing? ;-)

"...and you believe that she was the mother of Barack 0bama?"

REALLY?

1,539 posted on 05/20/2013 10:17:59 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Fred Nerks; Brown Deer
The INS file. There was a female student from Kenya that was involved with the other Kenyan student and seems to have flew to London for an abortion. The Kenyan student tried very hard to keep her in the US. She apparently went to Brandeis University as that is the only college in Auburndale MA.

That is also very close to where she was working in Newton MA. Her travel date was January 21, 1964.
Can anyone get a passenger list for flights from BOS to London on that day?
It is interesting that he was in Baltimore in August of 62. The female Kenyan student came to the US in Sept of 62. Not sure where she might of entered but DC is a possibility.

1,540 posted on 05/20/2013 10:21:33 AM PDT by GregNH (If you can't fight, please find a good place to hide!)
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