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Re:"Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man" Any evidence Valerie Sarruf is Obama's mom? (vanity)
Seizethecarp vanity commentary on Dr. Ron J. Polland youtube dated 08/07/11 ^ | August 1, 2012 | Seizethecarp (vanity)

Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp

"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland

The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.

In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.

Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?

Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.

For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!

Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.

For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.

The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?

In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.

Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.


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To: Greenperson

“Your other Valerie may have been born in 1940, but she’s not Valerie Newman. That other Valerie’s movies were made in the appropriate timeframe for a young woman born in 1940.”

She’s not Valerie Newman? I don’t understand you. Valerie Newman is on the public record and on the movie database

Name: Valerie Newman
Birth Date: 1940
Address: 370 Montauk Cir, Syracuse, NY, 13212
Name: Valerie Newman
Birth Date: 1940
Address: 370 Montauk Cir, Syracuse, NY, 13212

You deny the Public record when it suits you. If you have specific links you want me to follow let me know. I don’t have time to follow all of them.
And I don’t have to prove anything. I can ask questions and there doesn’t seem to be any good answers forthcoming. In fact quite the opposite. Lack of interest and curiosity. And I’m looking for a female relative of Fred Newman called Valerie Newman. Martha Trowbridge didn’t say daughter, she said the mother was close to Fred, related to him.

And I don’t see any credible theory from the researchers. Sorry


501 posted on 08/09/2012 10:06:37 AM PDT by ABrit
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To: ABrit

I don’t see any credible theory from the researchers, either. You got that right. A credible theory can be replicated. It’s based upon evidence that can be authenticated.


502 posted on 08/09/2012 10:14:06 AM PDT by Greenperson
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To: Greenperson

“.....then that same woman is the mother of Janie and the wife of Curly Howard. Except she’s not, because THAT woman who was the wife of Curly Howard, according to IMDB, which you linked as a source, was BORN IN 1915 or thereabouts.”

Look I posted evidence of a Valerie Newman born 1940, you’re referring to another different Valerie. If you want to discuss any link, post it with your question and I’ll have a look.

“Why aren’t you looking for a relative of Fred Newman named Jo Ann, since that’s the name Trowbridge, the CREATIVE WRITER, used? Or has she since decided to change Jo Ann’s name to Valerie?”

I am, why aren’t you? I think an important thing about Martha Trowbridge was that she raised a good question. Why was Jo Ann Newman, white office junior, writing the obituary of famous militant anti white black man Malcolm X? She thought it was cos Jo Ann was the mum, but because I think Otraitor was born in 1959, Valerie Newman born 1940 is a better candidate. I’d like to know if she was related to Fred Newman, and I’d like to know if Jo Ann was related and Joanne was the nanny.


503 posted on 08/09/2012 10:33:17 AM PDT by ABrit
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To: ABrit; Fred Nerks; David; little jeremiah; Greenperson; LivingNet; Seizethecarp

RESIDENCE:
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504 posted on 08/09/2012 10:48:57 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: ABrit; Fred Nerks; David; little jeremiah; Greenperson; LivingNet; LucyT; hoosiermama; ...
Who was the Valerie Newman (actress) who materialised in London, and seems to have changed her name to Valerie Sarruf (actress) according to IMDb?

I don't see the connection in IMDB and I doubt that she only was seven years when she married Jerome.




505 posted on 08/09/2012 11:25:37 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Greenperson

Ah, I see what you mean. I think they’ve merged the records of two Valerie Newmans, the older one you mention born 1915 did the Mrs Mitchell and Mrs Marcus, the younger Valerie Newman born 1940 did the Office Girl in TV Series Suspense 1963. Probably why she didn’t keep her maiden name for her acting credits after she married.

The Charge of the Light Brigade
Mrs. Mitchell

1967The Wednesday Play (TV series)
Mrs. Marcus
– Drums Along the Avon (1967) … Mrs. Marcus

1963Suspense (TV series)
Office Girl
– Walk in Fear (1963) … Office Girl


506 posted on 08/09/2012 11:40:55 AM PDT by ABrit
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To: Brown Deer

“I don’t see the connection in IMDB and I doubt that she only was seven years when she married Jerome”

Two different Valerie Newmans merged on the IMDB database. See post 506


507 posted on 08/09/2012 11:52:07 AM PDT by ABrit
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To: ABrit
I think they’ve merged the records of two Valerie Newmans...

Why do you think that?
508 posted on 08/09/2012 12:13:16 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

The role of Office Girl in 1963 is too young for the other Valerie Newman born 1915.


509 posted on 08/09/2012 12:54:30 PM PDT by ABrit
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Valerie NewmanValerie Sarruf
510 posted on 08/09/2012 12:54:39 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

Left one Valerie Newman, right one Valerie Sarruf?


511 posted on 08/09/2012 12:57:12 PM PDT by ABrit
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To: Greenperson; ABrit

Greenperson, check out ABrit’s posting history. Until he jumped in to this thread and the Archives thread in the beginning of August, he had not posted since 2004, and even then, only one page of comments in 2004. A couple more pages and the comments are all the way to 2002.

Draw your own conclusions.


512 posted on 08/09/2012 1:00:16 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: ABrit

What makes you think that she was born in 1915? Her husband was born in 1932.


513 posted on 08/09/2012 1:01:32 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: ABrit; Greenperson
Why did an errand girl named Newman get to write Malcolm X’s obituary?

(It's not the obituary; it's an obituary.)

Do you accept the job description and the name?

Do you reject the job description but accept the name?

Do you reject the job description and the name?

Who wrote this particular elegy?

As a footnote, you have an attitude problem. Don't accuse others of being obtuse in the paragraph in which you mean to type kind yet type king.

The question of the elegy is of note: is this a menial doing a rhapsodic celebration of the black muslim martyr or is it a masked dramatic piece from a player.

What are your tells?


514 posted on 08/09/2012 1:07:29 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Fakistan)
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To: Brown Deer

Greenperson said 1915 up thread cos she married someone called Curly referred to IMDB page
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0628299/
which says “trivia Daughter Janie with Curly Howard”. The Valerie Newman you have there is 53 years old, she’s too old to play the office girl in 1963.
Still need to see the Valerie Newman in Suspense Walk in Fear.


515 posted on 08/09/2012 1:12:13 PM PDT by ABrit
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To: PhilDragoo

Can you answer the question, “Why did an errand girl named Newman get to write Malcolm X’s obituary?”


516 posted on 08/09/2012 1:15:01 PM PDT by ABrit
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To: Brown Deer

Thanks for that. I have some question that I will come back with, but first I would say that if identities are being created or protected, would the Majdalanys provide a good legend to protect the mothers real identity?


517 posted on 08/09/2012 1:18:26 PM PDT by ABrit
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To: Greenperson

Well Valerie Newman the older appeared to be very much alive in the Charge of the Light Brigade 1968...

I’m not sure what’s going on, unless the Charge of Light Brigade Valerie has a younger date of birth than 1915..

By the way, I take back obtuse, my mistake, you are in fact acute.


518 posted on 08/09/2012 1:39:22 PM PDT by ABrit
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To: ABrit
Valerie Joan Grenache Ericson Newman, born 1915 in Los Angeles, who married Jerome Lester "Jerry" Horwitz aka Curly Howard on July 31, 1947 died about 1962. They had a daughter Jane "Janie" Cecile Howard Hanky born on May 7, 1948. Her sister was Natalie Cecile Grenache Emery .

Valerie Elizabeth Newman married Charles Gerald Wood on February 24, 1954 in Gloucestershire and they had two children. She appeared in all three of those listed films.
519 posted on 08/09/2012 2:45:55 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: ABrit
Well Valerie Newman the older appeared to be very much alive in the Charge of the Light Brigade 1968...

I don't think so.
520 posted on 08/09/2012 2:50:35 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

So Valerie Newman born 1915 played the office junior in 1963 aged 48? And was dead when she appeared in the Charge of the Light Brigade in 1968?


521 posted on 08/09/2012 2:58:21 PM PDT by ABrit
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To: ABrit; Greenperson

Rachael Newman January 30, 2004

Rachael Newman, 25, of Syracuse, died Friday at home. A life-resident of the Syracuse area. She is survived by two sons; Alexander Newman and Daniel Hanley; her mother, Valerie Newman; her father, Daniel Irving and two brothers, Josh and Brandon Irving.

The Post-Standard (Syracuse, NY)
February 3, 2004

Rachael M. Newman
Birth Date: 26 December 1978
Social Security Number: 102-66-4533
Death Date: 30 January 2004


522 posted on 08/09/2012 3:23:21 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: ABrit

You are very confused.


523 posted on 08/09/2012 3:25:50 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Greenperson

this should be corrected on IMDB sometime in the next couple of weeks.


524 posted on 08/09/2012 3:40:09 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

Any right thinking person would be.


525 posted on 08/09/2012 3:47:29 PM PDT by ABrit
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To: Brown Deer

Oh Dear, what mistake did they make?


526 posted on 08/09/2012 3:48:59 PM PDT by ABrit
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To: Brown Deer

“Valerie Elizabeth Newman married Charles Gerald Wood on February 24, 1954 in Gloucestershire and they had two children. She appeared in all three of those listed films.”

Oh, I see, another Valerie altogether? I just need a picture of her in the Suspense TV program, and her date of birth?


527 posted on 08/09/2012 4:08:06 PM PDT by ABrit
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To: Brown Deer

OK. Strike Valerie Newman Syracuse. Can you answer the question, “Why did an errand girl named Jo Ann Newman get to write Malcolm X’s obituary in the New Amsterdam News?”. Much obliged.


528 posted on 08/09/2012 4:19:13 PM PDT by ABrit
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To: Brown Deer

529 posted on 08/09/2012 4:19:32 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Brown Deer

I think “Trying to confuse” and “Trying to find data” are more likely.


530 posted on 08/09/2012 4:27:41 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: ABrit; Brown Deer
OK. Strike Valerie Newman Syracuse. Can you answer the question, “Why did an errand girl named Jo Ann Newman get to write Malcolm X’s obituary in the New Amsterdam News?”. Much obliged.

I vote for "Why does someone who hasn't posted one comment since 2004 jump into this thread and the archives thread, post utter nonsense, and mine for info?" Bought someone's unused name or sleeper?

531 posted on 08/09/2012 4:30:21 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: ABrit
I just need a picture of her in the Suspense TV program, and her date of birth?

Here's their address, telephone number and e-mail address. Maybe they can accomodate you?
532 posted on 08/09/2012 4:34:08 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Greenperson; LucyT; Fred Nerks; Brown Deer; ABrit
I want to point out a couple of things to Greenperson.

Martha tells us in her primary post that the October 28 date is celebration of his "conception". Now we all know that fundamental Moslem's don't celebrate their birth; but some sects and many African Moslem's celebrate their conception.

How do they know? Says Fred. Beat's me--they got an appointment date with the stork. However an October conception date would fit a birth date in the summer from Mid July to Mid August.

It also fits with a late October celebration conducted in the early days by zero which was "sort of like a birthday but not his birthday"; which morphed into a sort of Haloween event, celebrating some personal event for zero. "[J]ust as there are posts out there about the many scrubbed references to Queen’s Medical as the birth place."

Birth Place for who? References where? Scrubbed from where and when?

533 posted on 08/09/2012 4:43:58 PM PDT by David
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To: little jeremiah

Nah...no one is trying to confuse nobody, you just haven’t been following the story, Jo Ann Newman changed her name to Valerie after she wrote the tribute, she’s really a boy, he/she became zero’s guardian after he was born in Hawaii and they lived in an apartment just around the corner from a famous civil-rights activist in New York, you know that because his address was listed in a directory (I assume, Martha says so, I never saw it) when he was a toddler, it must have said ; little Bari M Shabazz lives here...and when he grew up he joined the Navy or summat and ended up at Quatico and then he moved to Hawaii, probably still in the service, and he had a car accident, in which no one was injured because there was no report of any injury, and when he died in 1994, they buried Barrington Smith along with Bari.
Something like that..and what a stupid waste of time it all is. Welcome to the world of Martha Trowbridge, who started this garbage and now you have to register to read it.


534 posted on 08/09/2012 4:44:35 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Ah, now that you put it all together it makes perfect sense.

Or would, if I took some LSD.


535 posted on 08/09/2012 4:55:25 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: David

Martha got her date from the SS application of Barrington Smith who clearly showed the name change.

The remainder came from her over-fertile imagination. She had to make the date on the application fit, just as she had to write an entire piece about how the facial features and the hair of Stanley Ann Dunham had been tampered with, BECAUSE SHE KNEW THE BOY DIDN’T LOOK LIKE SAD.

And now the reply cometh; but Martha never said the BOY was Stanley Ann Dunham. That’s right, she didn’t.

But what she did do, was present the woman WHO WAS STANLEY ANN DUNHAM standing beside zero near the bridge with Harvard in the background AS BEING JO ANN NEWMAN.

And that’s HOW THAT piece of misinformation got started. Stanley Ann Dunham was really Jo Ann Newman. I can hear the violin music from here, that’s how loud you are being played.

Stanley Ann Dunham never existed, that’s what this is all about, her parents never gave her a boy’s name, Madelyn and Stanley Armour were never married, and SAD is a CREATION. There’s never been a genuine photograph of her, they are all shopped, throughout her entire life!
BELIEVE IT OR NOT. THAT’S WHAT THE WHINGING POM IS TELLING YOU.


536 posted on 08/09/2012 5:01:39 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: David

“Martha tells us in her primary post that the October 28 date is celebration of his “conception”.”

Presumably she didn’t know Jamaican Bari Shabazz was born on that date?


537 posted on 08/09/2012 5:04:54 PM PDT by ABrit
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To: David

I can’t really speak to details of Martha’s posts, the original or subsequent ones, because we can’t refresh our memories, as she’s locked her musings from public view. I’m not paying to see her creative writing. I did read them when they were first posted, but I don’t remember details.

That’s an interesting observation about zero’s “Halloween” celebrations. What would be Martha’s point, if she believes Bari Shabazz is the person in question and he was born in 1959? (Sorry, I don’t remember the month and day.)

Queen’s Medical was the hospital that was originally announced as Barry’s birth place. Not Kapiolani. The stories on the Web that originally stated Queen’s were scrubbed off the Web, or they were modified to “correct” the original “error”. Scrubbing done as soon as people began to look for the hospital of his birth and pointed out the competing stories. Here’re a few links: http://www.therightsideoflife.com/2009/07/07/wnd-hi-hospital-will-not-confirm-obamas-birth-assertion/ http://www.therightsideoflife.com/2009/07/10/obama-birth-part-2-kapiolani-letter-disappears-questions-remain/


538 posted on 08/09/2012 5:07:06 PM PDT by Greenperson
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To: Fred Nerks

Calm down Fred. Why did the office junior Jo Ann Newman write an Obituary for Malcolm X?


539 posted on 08/09/2012 5:09:51 PM PDT by ABrit
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To: Brown Deer

Jerome! That’s funny. Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.


540 posted on 08/09/2012 5:11:19 PM PDT by Greenperson
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To: ABrit

You do what you are asking/telling us to do, go away and find out, and when you do, come back and tell us. And btw, when you do, let us know where have you been for the last eight years? Sleeping Beauty.

For all we know you could be Martha just drumming up paying hits for the blog.

Don’t tell me to calm down, I didn’t address you. Deliberately.


541 posted on 08/09/2012 5:18:47 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Brown Deer

Thank you! Always in awe of your genealogical research prowess and your pursuit of primary sources. That’s why we cannot rely on publicly created databases like IMDB. Fans ought to be extra careful when they’re dealing with COMMON names like Newman.

btw, was it stated in that “elegy” to Malcolm that the writer was white? Are there no blacks named Newman?


542 posted on 08/09/2012 5:22:03 PM PDT by Greenperson
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To: Brown Deer

And this would be the Valerie Newman that was born in 1940 and appears to be NEITHER of the actresses Newman. Thanks, again.


543 posted on 08/09/2012 5:24:06 PM PDT by Greenperson
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To: Fred Nerks

Bingo.


544 posted on 08/09/2012 5:28:55 PM PDT by Greenperson
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To: David
And from what I recall of that particular Trowbridge episode, the words she used were... from the time of conception until...

And that had to do with the address in New York, iirc, when she was describing how little Bari Shabazz was living at an address in New York, in close proximity to the residence of the MX family.

How she discovered that address is difficult to follow from the way she writes. But little babies are not listed BY NAME in directories as far as I know.

And her date just happens to be the birthdate of Barrington Smith.

Needless to say, I'm not prepared to go back to her website and check it out, but that seems to be what our resident whinging pom wants us to do. Sleeping beauty who hasn't posted here for eight years keeps asking why would someone from the Classified Advertising department be writing a tribute to MX.

BLOG PIMP is more like it.

545 posted on 08/09/2012 5:32:27 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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Are there no blacks named Newman?

That's also one of the problems that I have with the Malcolm theory. He was a racist that did not believe in any integration whatsoever. He did not agree with Martin Luther King at all. Even though his mother was half white (born in Grenada, her father was British), he hated all "crackers". If Malcolm was Soebarkah's father, then Stanley Ann certainly was not his mother.
546 posted on 08/09/2012 5:38:23 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer
If Malcolm was Soebarkah's father, then Stanley Ann certainly was not his mother.

Bullseye.

547 posted on 08/09/2012 5:58:28 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Brown Deer

I imagine it all depends on his definition of a ‘cracker’ which I take to be a white person whose family have a long history in the US, i.e., someone possibly decendant from slave owners ( I thought you fought in part, a civil war over this, but I digress) recall when he returned from the Bandung Conference in 1955, he had to be corrected a number of times, for saying there were NO WHITE PEOPLE at Bandung.

There was an entire arab contingent, Charles Malik from Lebanon was also there. MX apparently considered the arabs, the Koreans, the Egyptians etc...to be coloured people.


548 posted on 08/09/2012 5:59:02 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Based upon the interviews that I’ve seen with him, he had a very low IQ. Whenever asked about his surname of Little, he would deny that he ever had that name. When asked what his father’s surname was, he would say he didn’t know.

He would say that all white people needed to be eliminated from this country, while forgetting the fact that he was at least 1/4 white. Isn’t it ironic that he was killed by black muslims? I guess they took his advice.


549 posted on 08/09/2012 6:09:03 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

With the first leader of the PLO, Shukairy. MX was nothing but the tool of the arabs, it was anti-semitism that was the glue which held them all together, he described the Mufti as a charming, dignified man, the mufti who with Himmler, designed the method of disposal by burning, the remains of the victims at Auschwitz.

Malcolm received his rewards from the Saudis who no doubt made funds available for the construction of mosques throughout the US after his own conversion to sunni islam.

And he's still referred to as a great civil-rights activist. Even his master, Price Faisal looks disgusted with him. Arabs have a long history of using blacks to do their dirty work. Nothing's changed, has it?

550 posted on 08/09/2012 6:38:58 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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