Skip to comments.Ryan is a good man, but does not redeem the abortionist/homosexualist statist Romney
Posted on 08/11/2012 4:42:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Except for his unfortunate go along to get along support of TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending and the increased credit limit, etc, Ryan is a pretty good choice. Probably the best choice of the RINOS that were on Romney's short list. I support Ryan for the vice presidency. Wish he were at the top of the ticket, though.
But I still cannot and will not support the grand father of ObamaCare. Romney still loves and brags about his bastard brainchild, RomneyCare, even today when he knows what an anti-liberty socialist POS it is.
And the fact that he advocated that abortion should be safe and legal in America for over three decades of his adult lifetime and even advocated that Roe v Wade should be supported and sustained as settled law precludes any consideration whatsoever by this pro-life Christian for Myth Romney for the presidency.
And the fact that he boasted that he would be better for "gay rights" than Ted Kennedy, and proved it just increases my resistance.
That, and his penchant for gun control, his continuing support for global warming, gays in the scouts, gays in the military, and his record of appointing liberal judges makes it all but impossible for me to support him.
Lastly, we're having a bit of changeover on our moderator staff. At least two moderators resigned this afternoon after I flatly refused to rein in a so-called anti-Mormon "bigot" on FR. Well, if being in opposition to false prophets and false prophecy makes a Christian believer a bigot, then I guess I'm a bigot. I've posted before that I flat do not believe that the Book of Mormon is the true word of God. Nor do I believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. The Christian bible warns us to be weary of false prophets and that I am. Romney being the presumptive Republican nominee does not change that fact.
You don’t support a conservative majority in the Senate.
Bigotry > Dean Heller
12 Now King David was told, The Lord has blessed the household of Obed-Edom and everything he has, because of the ark of God. So David went to bring up the ark of God from the house of Obed-Edom to the City of David with rejoicing. 13 When those who were carrying the ark of the Lord had taken six steps, he sacrificed a bull and a fattened calf. 14 Wearing a linen ephod, David was dancing before the Lord with all his might, 15 while he and all Israel were bringing up the ark of the Lord with shouts and the sound of trumpets.
16 As the ark of the Lord was entering the City of David, Michal daughter of Saul watched from a window. And when she saw King David leaping and dancing before the Lord, she despised him in her heart.
17 They brought the ark of the Lord and set it in its place inside the tent that David had pitched for it, and David sacrificed burnt offerings and fellowship offerings before the Lord. 18 After he had finished sacrificing the burnt offerings and fellowship offerings, he blessed the people in the name of the Lord Almighty. 19 Then he gave a loaf of bread, a cake of dates and a cake of raisins to each person in the whole crowd of Israelites, both men and women. And all the people went to their homes.
20 When David returned home to bless his household, Michal daughter of Saul came out to meet him and said, How the king of Israel has distinguished himself today, going around half-naked in full view of the slave girls of his servants as any vulgar fellow would!
21 David said to Michal, It was before the Lord, who chose me rather than your father or anyone from his house when he appointed me ruler over the Lords people IsraelI will celebrate before the Lord. 22 I will become even more undignified than this, and I will be humiliated in my own eyes. But by these slave girls you spoke of, I will be held in honor.
23 And Michal daughter of Saul had no children to the day of her death.
You never heard of a conservative sitting Senator running for election this year?
Look up his ACU rating. 90 lifetime. Look at his voting history
CAREFUL — HE IS A MORMON
Support him for US Senator or no?
I can accept that.
Waiting to see if you get the zot. I am wondering how many will be zotted on this thread and if I will be one of them
Would you really care if you were zotted?
Suicide by cop....
There are about 20 Freepers that hate Mormons more than they love America.
They have destroyed this site....that includes Jim.
Gosh, did that strike you as a meaningful post when you posted it?
Do you think people don’t know that Mormons are social conservative voters? It is you that thinks they will become social liberal democrats if Christians discuss Mormonism.
Bishop Romney is the son of a man born in Mexico because his family fled there to practice polygamy and evade American law, do you think the Mormon cult doesn’t know the relationship between their cult and the American Christian culture they were founded to destroy?
“Why not just take the Bible and beat people to death who dont agree with him?
Sounds almost Islamic.”
Really, you say this was NEVER a site where fiscal conservatives were active and welcome?
***Where did I say that? Arguing against something that someone did not say is a straw argument.
You seem to be focused on fiscal conservatism to the detriment of social conservatism. Just like there are supposedly no prefixes in the republican party, there are no prefixes in conservatism. JimRob has said it dozens of times, we’re conservative... period. What he means by that is Fiscal AND Social conservative. You can’t have one without the other. Lately we see a lot of fiscons trying to throw socon principles under the bus. You strike me as one of those types. Let us all know if I got that wrong.
I dont understand what the people here have done to deserve this treatment.
Like Rush; I'm a lovable fuzzball, too; but how do I get treated?
I really don’t understand it. They tell us that we’re a tiny minority, but they are so vested in calling us names and trying to “shame” us into voting for Romney.
If we’re such a tiny minority, why can’t they just ignore us?
Never heard of him. If he wants support, he should work on that.
He's not in Texas so I can't vote for him.. even if I'd ever heard of him.
The point is that your hanging some kind of test on the support (or not) of this guy is ate-up with the dumbass. Folks who never heard of your favorite local politician are just pretty darn evil, huh?
Get a grip.
I thought that "personal attacks" weren't allowed. Not that I really care what you think. Just saying'.
I really have no party. I would describe myself as a rather typical Tea Party religious conservative. The truth is that my kind were driven from the GOP by Bill Buckley back in 1992, when he canned Buchanan, Sobran, Francis, et al.
The really frustrating thing for me the past 20 years was pitiful spectacle of my fellow conservatives panting around the GOP table waiting for the Country Club gang to throw them some scraps. At least enough to get them out to vote.
Chiang Kai Shek famously said that "the Japanese are a disease of the skin, the (Chinese) Communists are a disease of the heart." And he was right. The Japanese occupation was doomed from the get-go, because they were foreigners, and over time China always got rid of its foreign occupiers. But that's not true for an internal enemy like the Chicoms.
It's the same here. We conservatives need to WAKE UP and realize that Karl Rove ("the GOP is the party of Big Government"), Mitt Romney and all that they represent, are our most lethal enemy. We need a full-on purge of the Party. And if it means four more years fighting the Battle of the Wilderness, then so be it.
I can only speak for myself. But I note that Jim Robinson made it very, very clear for years now that he would never support Romney. The Country Club Set ignored the warning. Now we conservatives need to make good on the threat, or lose all credibility within the GOP.
It would be far better for Obama to win, at least in the long run.
I'm voting Libertarian for President, GOP for all others, providing that they're conservatives.
I don’t follow your hypothetical very well.
1. Which candidate should a Jewish conservative vote for? A or B?
***Whichever is the most conservative.
2. Which candidate is the Mormon? A or B?
***Dunno and don’t care.
Here’s my non hypothetical:
I lived in Santa Barbara a few years back. Our conservative congressman did a pretty good job. Along came this republican dude with lots of money, named Huffington. he spent more on this congressional primary race than any other in history. He unseated the congressman. When the time came to vote, I could not pull the lever for this POS and wrote in the former congressman. Straight Republican ticket. Years later, Huffington admitted to being gay, his wife divorced him and started Huffington Post, and do-nothing congressman Huffington basically did more damage to conservatism than any democrat ever could. The seat has been firmly in the hands of a librul ever since. Writing in the conservative republican over that POS was the honorable thing to do. What do you think was the most honorable thing for a conservative to do?
Jim, we got half a loaf this time. We almost got none at all.
The Romney/Ryan ticket is getting my vote because I will not have any part in allowing the traitor Obama to stay in the White House.
And I have no problem justifying my vote to God. God makes leaders rise and He makes leaders fall; He can use any vessel He chooses to get rid of evil leaders.
All I know is, we have a stark choice staring us in the eyes.
Vote for good or vote for evil. Vote for a better future for your kids and grandchildren or vote for chains.
I wont be sitting this one out on any principle. Obama has to go, and that is Job One.
The rest comes as it will, and we will work through that then.
We have 86 days to save America, and people need to quit kvetching and get on board.
Every Republican candidate was excoriated on this board for faults real and imagined over the past year. There was not one that could withstand the scrutiny of the Free Republic protologists exam. It was ridiculous.
We get where you personally stand. But where you stand is not where the battle is taking place. The battle is taking place across the land, and it involves choosing who gets to be in the White House come January 20, 2013.
Ill choose the Mormon and the Roman Catholic, neither of which whose religion matches my own, because of the choice allowed me, they will have the best chance of upholding their oath of office, warts and all.
In 40 years of voting, I have always had to choose between flawed candidates. This is no different. On November 7th, win or lose, I would love to help start a party that will be a home for Conservatives, and make the GOP go the way of the Whigs.
But until Election Day on November 6th,the GOP is the only vehicle that allows the chance for Obama to be kicked out on his skinny little keister. So that is the vehicle I will use.
All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. I refuse to do nothing.
Worse than Mitts and the GOPs faults is Obamas treason. That must be dealt with first. Otherwise you wont have to worry about FreeRepublic any longer. It will cease to exist under the Kenyans regime.
The circular firing squad needs to stop. The enemy isnt within our camphe is outside. Now.
Its time we take the battle to him.
Sorry pal, Hitler Partyw the National Socialist Democratic Workers Party (NSDAP) NAZI Party, was legitimately elected to parliment in 1930 and won 18% of the seats in the Parliament. In 1932 Hitler became a German citizen when he was appointed as an administrator for the State of Brunswick to the Reichstag in Berlin. He had renounced his Austrian citizenship seven years before.
He then ran for President anainst Hidenburgh in 1932 elections, after receiving almost forty percent of the votes forcing a run off election. He lost to Hidenburgh in the a run off election.
The absence of an effective government prompted two influential politicians, Franz von Papen and Alfred Hugenberg, along with several other industrialists and businessmen, to write a letter to von Hindenburg. The signers urged Hindenburg to appoint Hitler as leader of a government “independent from parliamentary parties”, which could turn into a movement that would “enrapture millions of people”.
Hindenburg reluctantly agreed to appoint Hitler as chancellor after two further parliamentary electionsin July and November 1932had not resulted in the formation of a majority government. Hitler was to head a short-lived coalition government formed by the NSDAP and Hugenberg’s party, the German National People’s Party (DNVP). On January 30, 1933 the new cabinet was sworn in during a brief and simple ceremony in Hindenburg’s office. The NSDAP held three of the eleven posts: Hitler was elected and named chancellor. Hermann Goring was named minister without portfolio, and Wilhelm Frick was appointed minister of the interior.
So even though he never held a popular elected office, he was very legitimately and LEGALLY elected by the coalition government through a very legal appointment by the President.
He then went on to great fame, or at least infamy, as leader of the German Third Reich, you may have heard of him.
It was underhanded and dirty like most politics but it was LEGAl and LEGITIMATE every step of the way.
If that is pointed at me, I don't do that.
With all due sincere respect, I do not see “debate” going on here.
I see the indictment of a people based on their religious beliefs.
If anyone is doing that, they are out of line IMO
The indictment is of the false belief system that is the LDS, not the individuals.
Well, you and yours seem to feel empowered. Is this a hostile takeover?
Now that’s a good prayer! Maybe he will change his mind and admit the errors of his previous religion. Here’s a leader who did and who came to acknowledge God, the One Who Jesus said is His Father:
Then King Darius wrote: To all peoples, nations, and languages that dwell in all the earth: Peace be multiplied to you. I make a decree that in every dominion of my kingdom [men must] tremble and fear before the God of Daniel. For He [is] the living God, And steadfast forever; His kingdom [is the one] which shall not be destroyed, And His dominion [shall endure] to the end. He delivers and rescues, And He works signs and wonders In heaven and on earth, Who has delivered Daniel from the power of the lions.
And Elsie- why won’t you answer the question about Dean Heller?
He is one of the MOST CONSERVATIVE members of the Senate?
Do you support his campaign?
If you are TRULY a conservative, why won’t you share it with everyone?
Or are you too a planted, Mormon hating shill?
(So, I'm a "weed"...eh??)
How, again, are you different in character than Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger, who went around referencing others as "weeds"???
On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people
Source: Margaret Sanger: Founder of Planned Parenthood : In Her Own Words
Now, while it's true that the Bible at one point does seemingly compare us to "blades of grass" over our short lifespans...
Your vow to destroy me doesn't come across very Christ-like (your reference to the weeds & blades of grass that you said, "I chop them down every week when I mow my lawn.")
Once again, you need to repent...you've now broken TWO of the 10 commandments just in your last few posts...bearing false witness...and your vow to destroy me -- mow me down.
YOU are a friggin nut-case.
(I'm not the one goin' round threatening to mow you down like weeds or blades of grass -- like you did me -- am I?)
Well, you appear to be beyond simple political logic...so I'll appeal to others as they consider who is really "wacky":
Now...just imagine...having such a Wacky belief guy in the WH...with EVERY liberal media outlet for four LONG years, day in, drip...drip...drip...highlighting the beliefs of the "wacky one" -- the one "brand" who Republicans decided to entrust their eternal reputation with...
Ah...I can see it now...Letterman monologues...Kimmel monologues...SNL skits...viral Youtubes...etc.
Think about that: A Romney presidency for four years on top of what we've already gone thru (2007 & part of 2008; plus 2011-2012)...almost six years of Mormonism this, and Mormonism that...And then, if, miraculously, Romney won re-election in 2016...you could read, hear about Mormonism DAILY for the next 8+ years...
And then the Mormon church, thinking this is THEIR "Mormon moment" opportunity to expend a $1Billion in marketing & advertising -- their "point of arrival" -- will make EVERYTHING all about Mormonism, anyway!!!
And the PR & Marketing will draw responses from Mormonism's opponents on the right, and the left.
(And all this...whether a FREEPER or two or three would e'er e'en post anything the MSM ever did on Mormonism again)
Enjoy your daily Mormon percolated coffee...courtesy of the MSM...
...drip, drip, drip...
for the next 4-8+ years! ...
It won't be "waterboarding"...it'll be "Mormon coffee"boarding!!!!
The Dems & MSM will successfully re-brand the GoP as the wacky voters who put the wacky guy in the wacky White House!!!
The GoP is now only 29% of all registered voters; and the erosion is still underway.
***It’s starting to look a lot like what happened to the Whig party, who sacrificed socon issues of the day for the fiscon issues they were so fond of. Sound familiar?
Put these nuts in the Religion forum so at least the rest of us don't have to wade through a bunch of nuttery to read/talk actual politics.
HEY ELSIE, TELL JIM HOW YOU ARE AGAINST DEAN HELLER FOR US SENATOR OF NEVADA BECAUSE HE IS A MORMON
90 PERCENT LIFETIME AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE UNION RATING YOU ARE A PAID SCHILL TROLL OF THE DEMOCRAT SHELLY BERKLEY
CONSERVATIVES BE DAMNED IN THE NAME OF ANTI MORMON BIGOTRY
sf4dubya, Jim knows all about LC. Now it is all about the MormOOOOOOOns. Maybe it’ll be the JOOOOOOs next on this site. Time will tell.
As long as yer posting on JimRob’s site, you should smarten yer self up and read his RomneyTruthFile.
Colorfornian doesn’t care about the Republican party or the conservative movement.
He/she/it is a plant- here to spread bigotry and anti-Mormon rhetoric to make true Christian Conservatives look like idiots.
Tell us COLORFORNIAN..... Do you support the candidacy of Dean Heller- one of the HIGHEST ranked conservative candidates running for the U. S. Senate?
Naw, my English grammar and/or spelling skills arent requirements for posting boards
***Except that they show your bachelor’s degree in English isn’t worth the toilet paper it was written on.
Have you ever thought about starting your own pro-Romney website?
Maybe then you could stop trying to hijack Free Republic.
That cartoon pretty well captures it. Unfortunately, there are people who are permitted to grow up thinking that they can manipulate people by just being insufferably obnoxious, demanding and abusive. Most people will just give them what they want to be rid of them, but for the sake of their future victims, it’s better not to give in to them and thereby reinforce and enable their anti-social behavior. It’s really the job of mothers to nip that kind of stuff in the bud.
Then you want to accept the online Mormon Teachers Guide!
that there will be no hate towards Mormons on this site.
Oh really? Well some aren’t listening or didn’t hear it. I saved the thread that the poster Colofornian had deleted. I have never seen such hatred on FR.
Who is FR? Seems to me as long as I’ve been here, a lot longer than you, FR is made up of Conservatives and Republicans, both of which have helped make FR the success that it is today. Just because you read and mention a select few posters, do not discount the long and varied list of contributors that have made FR the success it is today. Oh, and in case you missed it, from Sarah Palin “A Romney-Ryan ticket will certainly offer an alternative to the vision that Barack Obama and Joe Biden have for America. And there are a lot of us who will have his back. Something she knows all too well.
See, even she doesn’t live in a world where we always get exactly what we want.
I made it clear from the beginning of this thread- if you have not read it, that Romney was NOT my choice. In fact, he was last on the list.
Being anti-bigot does NOT equal being all that excited over Romney.
If you can’t see the difference, you’re not very bright.
But realize that you won't always get YOUR questions answered; as they will not be the right ones...
Really? dimwit! Any Christian expects it from those who DO NOT KNOW HIM for It is Written
John 8:55 "Though you do not know HIM, I know HIM. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know HIM and keep HIS word."
John 15:20 "Remember the words I spoke to you: 'No servant is greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also"
John 15:21 They will treat you this way because of My Name, for they do not know the One Who sent Me.
Matthew 10:22 All men will hate you because of Me, but He who stands firm to the end will be saved.
Matthew 24:9 "Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of Me.
LC is male.
Hey Elsie, I am so happy you finally outed yourself as someone who doesn’t support a conservative for US Senate simply because he is a Mormon.
Not his voting record but his faith. You’d rather see his seat go to Shelley Berkley (D-Las Vegas), and lose a majority in the Senate.
You’re a sick puppy. This site needs to purge the non-conservatives.
Don't bug headquarters for answers, either, as they'll just refer you back to the local bishop.
The bothersome reply
"I don't know that we teach it. I don't know that we emphasize it. I haven't heard it discussed for a long time in public discourse. I don't know. I don't know all the circumstances under which that statement was made. I understand the philosophical background behind it, but I don't know a lot about it, and I don't think others know a lot about it."
The reporter wrote, "On whether his church still holds that God the Father was once a man, he sounded uncertain." That's an unfortunate conclusion. Of course I wasn't at the interview and neither were you but I'll bet the reporter mistook careful thoughtfulness for uncertainty. This doctrine is indeed deep territory and not something that is taught outside the LDS Church.
An earlier and similar interview
The San Francisco Chronicle, published an interview with President Hinckley in April of 1997. The reporter asked, "There are some significant differences in your beliefs. For instance, don't Mormon's believe that God was once a man?" President Hinckley responded, "I wouldn't say that. There is a little couplet coined, 'As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become.'"
He then said, "Now that's more of a couplet than anything else. That gets into some pretty deep theology that we don't know very much about." The reporter pounced on this. "So you're saying that the church is still struggling to understand this? " President Hinckley responded, "Well, as God is, man may become. We believe in eternal progression. Very strongly."
President Hinckley's response
President Hinckley said in October 1997 General Conference: "I personally have been much quoted, and in a few instances misquoted and misunderstood. I think that's to be expected. None of you need worry because you read something that was incompletely reported. You need not worry that I do not understand some matters of doctrine.
"I think I understand them thoroughly, and it is unfortunate that the reporting may not make this clear. I hope you will never look to the public press as the authority on the doctrines of the Church." And there lies the whole point of my post today. Some members did indeed become a little concerned by the exchanges they read in the press reports of those interviews.
Does the Church still teach this?
I know this is old news but it still bothers some people when they discover the anti-Mormon attacks floating around on the Internet. President Hinckley was right. We really don't know much about how our Heavenly Father became a God. The idea that he passed through a mortal probationary state like you and me is certainly not documented in any scripture of which I know.
However, it is still taught. In the Gospel Principles manual in the chapter on exaltation we read, "Joseph Smith taught: "It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God. . . . He was once a man like us; . . . God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-46)."
Summary and conclusion
I don't know why this should bother anyone. The doctrine is true. Joseph Smith knew a whole lot more about this than I do. President Hinckley also knew a whole lot more about this doctrine than he was willing to share with reporters who did not have the background to understand it. It must have been difficult for President Hinckley to hold back and not teach it in those interviews.
It didn't bother me when I read the interviews back in 1997 and it doesn't bother me today. However, I know it does bother some people. We each have trials of our faith. I have never depended on an intellectual understanding of the gospel in order to accept it and live it. There are some things that just can't be fully comprehended without the temple, prayer and faith.
There are some things that just can't be fully comprehended without the temple, prayer and faith.
BRAVO! I feel bad for the good Freepers that are Mormons, like Jeff Head. It’s just not right. I’m so sad at what FR has turned into and I don’t understand why it happened. I will miss it.
Sometimes you must answer the question that SHOULD have been asked.
So it appears NBR is perhaps more accurate. As in, Nobody But Romney.
Great point. There are saner options than Romney.
No, you seem to forget that the POTUS race is NOT a popular-vote contest.
Rather, it's 51 mini-races (50 states + D.C.)
If I was a betting person, let's say I wagered with you $1,000 that if Romney only won ONE of the following "mini-races" -- you would take the $1,000...
The Left Coast: Hawaii, CA, OR, WA
New England (not sure if I'd include NH yet): Maine, MA, Vermont, CT, RI
DC area (not VA), but MD, DE & D.C.
Those are 15 races there. You now have to be consistent with the above claim...Are you willing to say for those 15 races, "there is a 100% certainty that Romney won't win them; therefore, Romney cannot possibly qualify as 'ABO' in those 15 states"???
(Remember, the POTUS race has no "silver medals" for state-by-state races; 2nd place only counts in horseracing)
So if somebody offered you a wager...would you be willing to say Romney could win just one of those states?
Bottom-line: If 'can't win' automatically eliminates a given candidate as an "ABO" candidate, then while Romney = "ABO" in Virginia, he doesn't = "ABO" in Oregon.
Virgil Goode is on the ballot in Oregon. I say, his chances of taking Oregon are the same as Romney: NIL
Therefore to Oregon voters -- Virgil Goode indeed is an "ABO" candidate.
You're really not terribly intelligent, are you?
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