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Ryan is a good man, but does not redeem the abortionist/homosexualist statist Romney
Aug 11, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 08/11/2012 4:42:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Except for his unfortunate go along to get along support of TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending and the increased credit limit, etc, Ryan is a pretty good choice. Probably the best choice of the RINOS that were on Romney's short list. I support Ryan for the vice presidency. Wish he were at the top of the ticket, though.

But I still cannot and will not support the grand father of ObamaCare. Romney still loves and brags about his bastard brainchild, RomneyCare, even today when he knows what an anti-liberty socialist POS it is.

And the fact that he advocated that abortion should be safe and legal in America for over three decades of his adult lifetime and even advocated that Roe v Wade should be supported and sustained as settled law precludes any consideration whatsoever by this pro-life Christian for Myth Romney for the presidency.

And the fact that he boasted that he would be better for "gay rights" than Ted Kennedy, and proved it just increases my resistance.

That, and his penchant for gun control, his continuing support for global warming, gays in the scouts, gays in the military, and his record of appointing liberal judges makes it all but impossible for me to support him.

Lastly, we're having a bit of changeover on our moderator staff. At least two moderators resigned this afternoon after I flatly refused to rein in a so-called anti-Mormon "bigot" on FR. Well, if being in opposition to false prophets and false prophecy makes a Christian believer a bigot, then I guess I'm a bigot. I've posted before that I flat do not believe that the Book of Mormon is the true word of God. Nor do I believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. The Christian bible warns us to be weary of false prophets and that I am. Romney being the presumptive Republican nominee does not change that fact.


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To: Elsie

You don’t support a conservative majority in the Senate.

Bigotry > Dean Heller


1,751 posted on 08/12/2012 2:11:24 PM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative)
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To: CWSNTEXAS
Finally, I believe you are planted here to make good, Christian, conservatives look like idiots.


 

2 Samuel 6:12-23  (niv) 

12 Now King David was told, “The Lord has blessed the household of Obed-Edom and everything he has, because of the ark of God.” So David went to bring up the ark of God from the house of Obed-Edom to the City of David with rejoicing. 13 When those who were carrying the ark of the Lord had taken six steps, he sacrificed a bull and a fattened calf. 14 Wearing a linen ephod, David was dancing before the Lord with all his might, 15 while he and all Israel were bringing up the ark of the Lord with shouts and the sound of trumpets.

16 As the ark of the Lord was entering the City of David, Michal daughter of Saul watched from a window. And when she saw King David leaping and dancing before the Lord, she despised him in her heart.

17 They brought the ark of the Lord and set it in its place inside the tent that David had pitched for it, and David sacrificed burnt offerings and fellowship offerings before the Lord. 18 After he had finished sacrificing the burnt offerings and fellowship offerings, he blessed the people in the name of the Lord Almighty. 19 Then he gave a loaf of bread, a cake of dates and a cake of raisins to each person in the whole crowd of Israelites, both men and women. And all the people went to their homes.

20 When David returned home to bless his household, Michal daughter of Saul came out to meet him and said, “How the king of Israel has distinguished himself today, going around half-naked in full view of the slave girls of his servants as any vulgar fellow would!”

21 David said to Michal, “It was before the Lord, who chose me rather than your father or anyone from his house when he appointed me ruler over the Lord’s people Israel—I will celebrate before the Lord. 22 I will become even more undignified than this, and I will be humiliated in my own eyes. But by these slave girls you spoke of, I will be held in honor.”

23 And Michal daughter of Saul had no children to the day of her death.


1,752 posted on 08/12/2012 2:11:49 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: budwiesest
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1,753 posted on 08/12/2012 2:13:50 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: mojitojoe
Plus I love finding trolls and my God are there a lot of them here on this thread.


1,754 posted on 08/12/2012 2:13:53 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: humblegunner

You never heard of a conservative sitting Senator running for election this year?

Look up his ACU rating. 90 lifetime. Look at his voting history

CAREFUL — HE IS A MORMON

Support him for US Senator or no?


1,755 posted on 08/12/2012 2:15:13 PM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative)
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To: sf4dubya
JUST ANSWER THE QUESTIONS WITH A SIMPLE YES OR NO!


1,756 posted on 08/12/2012 2:15:38 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: pops88

I can accept that.


1,757 posted on 08/12/2012 2:17:30 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mojitojoe; Jim Robinson

Waiting to see if you get the zot. I am wondering how many will be zotted on this thread and if I will be one of them
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Would you really care if you were zotted?

Suicide by cop....

There are about 20 Freepers that hate Mormons more than they love America.

They have destroyed this site....that includes Jim.


1,758 posted on 08/12/2012 2:17:41 PM PDT by GreyMountainReagan ("Pray for America")
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To: sf4dubya

Gosh, did that strike you as a meaningful post when you posted it?

Do you think people don’t know that Mormons are social conservative voters? It is you that thinks they will become social liberal democrats if Christians discuss Mormonism.

Bishop Romney is the son of a man born in Mexico because his family fled there to practice polygamy and evade American law, do you think the Mormon cult doesn’t know the relationship between their cult and the American Christian culture they were founded to destroy?


1,759 posted on 08/12/2012 2:17:55 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: CWSNTEXAS

“Why not just take the Bible and beat people to death who don’t agree with him?

Sounds almost Islamic.”

Well said.


1,760 posted on 08/12/2012 2:18:09 PM PDT by bluerose
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To: sf4dubya

Really, you say this was NEVER a site where fiscal conservatives were active and welcome?
***Where did I say that? Arguing against something that someone did not say is a straw argument.

You seem to be focused on fiscal conservatism to the detriment of social conservatism. Just like there are supposedly no prefixes in the republican party, there are no prefixes in conservatism. JimRob has said it dozens of times, we’re conservative... period. What he means by that is Fiscal AND Social conservative. You can’t have one without the other. Lately we see a lot of fiscons trying to throw socon principles under the bus. You strike me as one of those types. Let us all know if I got that wrong.


1,761 posted on 08/12/2012 2:18:35 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: CWSNTEXAS
How can you EVER affect change- even if you are trying to point out to someone the flaws you see in their faith, when all you do is publicly ridicule their religion and so embarrassingly point out the flaws?

Indeed!!

I don’t understand what the people here have done to deserve this treatment.

I know!

Like Rush; I'm a lovable fuzzball, too; but how do I get treated?

1,762 posted on 08/12/2012 2:19:47 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: TADSLOS

I really don’t understand it. They tell us that we’re a tiny minority, but they are so vested in calling us names and trying to “shame” us into voting for Romney.

If we’re such a tiny minority, why can’t they just ignore us?


1,763 posted on 08/12/2012 2:20:14 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: sf4dubya
Support him for US Senator or no?

Never heard of him. If he wants support, he should work on that.

He's not in Texas so I can't vote for him.. even if I'd ever heard of him.

The point is that your hanging some kind of test on the support (or not) of this guy is ate-up with the dumbass. Folks who never heard of your favorite local politician are just pretty darn evil, huh?

Get a grip.

1,764 posted on 08/12/2012 2:20:56 PM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo, being wily, pities the fool.)
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To: mojitojoe
I'm sure you get your jollies by seeing all these good, smart, conservative freepers fleeing from this site you POS.

I thought that "personal attacks" weren't allowed. Not that I really care what you think. Just saying'.

I really have no party. I would describe myself as a rather typical Tea Party religious conservative. The truth is that my kind were driven from the GOP by Bill Buckley back in 1992, when he canned Buchanan, Sobran, Francis, et al.

The really frustrating thing for me the past 20 years was pitiful spectacle of my fellow conservatives panting around the GOP table waiting for the Country Club gang to throw them some scraps. At least enough to get them out to vote.

Chiang Kai Shek famously said that "the Japanese are a disease of the skin, the (Chinese) Communists are a disease of the heart." And he was right. The Japanese occupation was doomed from the get-go, because they were foreigners, and over time China always got rid of its foreign occupiers. But that's not true for an internal enemy like the Chicoms.

It's the same here. We conservatives need to WAKE UP and realize that Karl Rove ("the GOP is the party of Big Government"), Mitt Romney and all that they represent, are our most lethal enemy. We need a full-on purge of the Party. And if it means four more years fighting the Battle of the Wilderness, then so be it.

I can only speak for myself. But I note that Jim Robinson made it very, very clear for years now that he would never support Romney. The Country Club Set ignored the warning. Now we conservatives need to make good on the threat, or lose all credibility within the GOP.

It would be far better for Obama to win, at least in the long run.

I'm voting Libertarian for President, GOP for all others, providing that they're conservatives.

1,765 posted on 08/12/2012 2:20:56 PM PDT by Gluteus Maximus
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To: sf4dubya

I don’t follow your hypothetical very well.

1. Which candidate should a Jewish conservative vote for? A or B?
***Whichever is the most conservative.

2. Which candidate is the Mormon? A or B?
***Dunno and don’t care.

Here’s my non hypothetical:
I lived in Santa Barbara a few years back. Our conservative congressman did a pretty good job. Along came this republican dude with lots of money, named Huffington. he spent more on this congressional primary race than any other in history. He unseated the congressman. When the time came to vote, I could not pull the lever for this POS and wrote in the former congressman. Straight Republican ticket. Years later, Huffington admitted to being gay, his wife divorced him and started Huffington Post, and do-nothing congressman Huffington basically did more damage to conservatism than any democrat ever could. The seat has been firmly in the hands of a librul ever since. Writing in the conservative republican over that POS was the honorable thing to do. What do you think was the most honorable thing for a conservative to do?


1,767 posted on 08/12/2012 2:21:50 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: exit82
Well said exit82, very well said and needs repeating!

Jim, we got half a loaf this time. We almost got none at all.

The Romney/Ryan ticket is getting my vote because I will not have any part in allowing the traitor Obama to stay in the White House.

And I have no problem justifying my vote to God. God makes leaders rise and He makes leaders fall; He can use any vessel He chooses to get rid of evil leaders.

All I know is, we have a stark choice staring us in the eyes.

Vote for good or vote for evil. Vote for a better future for your kids and grandchildren or vote for chains.

I won’t be sitting this one out on any principle. Obama has to go, and that is Job One.

The rest comes as it will, and we will work through that then.

We have 86 days to save America, and people need to quit kvetching and get on board.

Every Republican candidate was excoriated on this board for faults real and imagined over the past year. There was not one that could withstand the scrutiny of the Free Republic protologists’ exam. It was ridiculous.

We get where you personally stand. But where you stand is not where the battle is taking place. The battle is taking place across the land, and it involves choosing who gets to be in the White House come January 20, 2013.

I’ll choose the Mormon and the Roman Catholic, neither of which whose “religion” matches my own, because of the choice allowed me, they will have the best chance of upholding their oath of office, warts and all.

In 40 years of voting, I have always had to choose between flawed candidates. This is no different. On November 7th, win or lose, I would love to help start a party that will be a home for Conservatives, and make the GOP go the way of the Whigs.

But until Election Day on November 6th,the GOP is the only vehicle that allows the chance for Obama to be kicked out on his skinny little keister. So that is the vehicle I will use.

All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. I refuse to do nothing.

Worse than Mitt’s and the GOP’s faults is Obama’s treason. That must be dealt with first. Otherwise you won’t have to worry about FreeRepublic any longer. It will cease to exist under the Kenyan’s regime.

The circular firing squad needs to stop. The enemy isn’t within our camp—he is outside. Now.

It’s time we take the battle to him.

1,768 posted on 08/12/2012 2:22:10 PM PDT by ~Vor~ (Freeper since 10/98)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Sorry pal, Hitler Partyw the National Socialist Democratic Workers Party (NSDAP) NAZI Party, was legitimately elected to parliment in 1930 and won 18% of the seats in the Parliament. In 1932 Hitler became a German citizen when he was appointed as an administrator for the State of Brunswick to the Reichstag in Berlin. He had renounced his Austrian citizenship seven years before.

He then ran for President anainst Hidenburgh in 1932 elections, after receiving almost forty percent of the votes forcing a run off election. He lost to Hidenburgh in the a run off election.

The absence of an effective government prompted two influential politicians, Franz von Papen and Alfred Hugenberg, along with several other industrialists and businessmen, to write a letter to von Hindenburg. The signers urged Hindenburg to appoint Hitler as leader of a government “independent from parliamentary parties”, which could turn into a movement that would “enrapture millions of people”.

Hindenburg reluctantly agreed to appoint Hitler as chancellor after two further parliamentary elections—in July and November 1932—had not resulted in the formation of a majority government. Hitler was to head a short-lived coalition government formed by the NSDAP and Hugenberg’s party, the German National People’s Party (DNVP). On January 30, 1933 the new cabinet was sworn in during a brief and simple ceremony in Hindenburg’s office. The NSDAP held three of the eleven posts: Hitler was elected and named chancellor. Hermann Goring was named minister without portfolio, and Wilhelm Frick was appointed minister of the interior.

So even though he never held a popular elected office, he was very legitimately and LEGALLY elected by the coalition government through a very legal appointment by the President.

He then went on to great fame, or at least infamy, as leader of the German Third Reich, you may have heard of him.

It was underhanded and dirty like most politics but it was LEGAl and LEGITIMATE every step of the way.


1,769 posted on 08/12/2012 2:22:10 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: CWSNTEXAS

With all due sincere respect, I do not see “debate” going on here.

I see the indictment of a people based on their religious beliefs.

If that is pointed at me, I don't do that.

If anyone is doing that, they are out of line IMO

The indictment is of the false belief system that is the LDS, not the individuals.

1,770 posted on 08/12/2012 2:22:31 PM PDT by Syncro (The Tea Party is Dead- [MSM].....LONG LIVE THE TEA PARTY!)
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To: sf4dubya
Spread the word & get them zotted from this site.

Well, you and yours seem to feel empowered. Is this a hostile takeover?

1,771 posted on 08/12/2012 2:22:44 PM PDT by Third Person (A man's got to know his limitations.)
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To: Jeff Head; Las Vegas Ron
Great post Jeff! It is embarrassing. I have sent many people here and now I am getting flack from them and they are asking me why I directed them to a kooky, bigoted fringe site. All I can say is it didn't use to be like that. Maybe it did before I came but I didn't see it. I don't care what Romney's religion is. He has his, I have mine, I care about doing something about this HORRIBLE economy before it's too late. Sure, I care about social issues too, but this election the economy should be front and center. I don't think Romney will be as liberal as he was in his state. We get him in and hold his feet to the fire.

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1,772 posted on 08/12/2012 2:24:04 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: crusty old prospector

Now that’s a good prayer! Maybe he will change his mind and admit the errors of his previous religion. Here’s a leader who did and who came to acknowledge God, the One Who Jesus said is His Father:

Then King Darius wrote: To all peoples, nations, and languages that dwell in all the earth: Peace be multiplied to you. I make a decree that in every dominion of my kingdom [men must] tremble and fear before the God of Daniel. For He [is] the living God, And steadfast forever; His kingdom [is the one] which shall not be destroyed, And His dominion [shall endure] to the end. He delivers and rescues, And He works signs and wonders In heaven and on earth, Who has delivered Daniel from the power of the lions.


1,773 posted on 08/12/2012 2:24:04 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Elsie

And Elsie- why won’t you answer the question about Dean Heller?

He is one of the MOST CONSERVATIVE members of the Senate?

Do you support his campaign?

If you are TRULY a conservative, why won’t you share it with everyone?

Or are you too a planted, Mormon hating shill?


1,774 posted on 08/12/2012 2:24:04 PM PDT by CWSNTEXAS (The Jewish Pope)
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To: CWSNTEXAS; All
G*d may have planted you, but he also planted weeds and I chop them down every week when I mow my lawn.

(So, I'm a "weed"...eh??)

How, again, are you different in character than Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger, who went around referencing others as "weeds"???

On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people
Source: Margaret Sanger: Founder of Planned Parenthood : In Her Own Words

Now, while it's true that the Bible at one point does seemingly compare us to "blades of grass" over our short lifespans...

Your vow to destroy me doesn't come across very Christ-like (your reference to the weeds & blades of grass that you said, "I chop them down every week when I mow my lawn.")

Once again, you need to repent...you've now broken TWO of the 10 commandments just in your last few posts...bearing false witness...and your vow to destroy me -- mow me down.

YOU are a friggin nut-case.

(I'm not the one goin' round threatening to mow you down like weeds or blades of grass -- like you did me -- am I?)

Well, you appear to be beyond simple political logic...so I'll appeal to others as they consider who is really "wacky":

Now...just imagine...having such a Wacky belief guy in the WH...with EVERY liberal media outlet for four LONG years, day in, drip...drip...drip...highlighting the beliefs of the "wacky one" -- the one "brand" who Republicans decided to entrust their eternal reputation with...

Ah...I can see it now...Letterman monologues...Kimmel monologues...SNL skits...viral Youtubes...etc.

Think about that: A Romney presidency for four years on top of what we've already gone thru (2007 & part of 2008; plus 2011-2012)...almost six years of Mormonism this, and Mormonism that...And then, if, miraculously, Romney won re-election in 2016...you could read, hear about Mormonism DAILY for the next 8+ years...

And then the Mormon church, thinking this is THEIR "Mormon moment" opportunity to expend a $1Billion in marketing & advertising -- their "point of arrival" -- will make EVERYTHING all about Mormonism, anyway!!!

And the PR & Marketing will draw responses from Mormonism's opponents on the right, and the left.

(And all this...whether a FREEPER or two or three would e'er e'en post anything the MSM ever did on Mormonism again)

Imagine that!

Enjoy your daily Mormon percolated coffee...courtesy of the MSM...

...drip, drip, drip...

for the next 4-8+ years! ...

It won't be "waterboarding"...it'll be "Mormon coffee"boarding!!!!

The Dems & MSM will successfully re-brand the GoP as the wacky voters who put the wacky guy in the wacky White House!!!

1,775 posted on 08/12/2012 2:24:04 PM PDT by Colofornian (Why don't you 'birthers' ask Mitt about his 'spirit-birth' on planet near Kolob? Hypocrisy @ work?)
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To: Colofornian

The GoP is now only 29% of all registered voters; and the erosion is still underway.
***It’s starting to look a lot like what happened to the Whig party, who sacrificed socon issues of the day for the fiscon issues they were so fond of. Sound familiar?


1,776 posted on 08/12/2012 2:24:04 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: Elsie; Jim Robinson
Jim, you can see the result of bigoted lunatic behavior on this thread. People are entitled to their individual opinions, but how long are you going to let this anti-Mormon seminar posting go on? At a minimum it distracts everyone from the topic at hand; in reality is disgraces the conservative movement at large and your website in particular.

Put these nuts in the Religion forum so at least the rest of us don't have to wade through a bunch of nuttery to read/talk actual politics.

1,777 posted on 08/12/2012 2:24:48 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: sf4dubya; All; Jim Robinson; Elsie

HEY ELSIE, TELL JIM HOW YOU ARE AGAINST DEAN HELLER FOR US SENATOR OF NEVADA BECAUSE HE IS A MORMON

90 PERCENT LIFETIME AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE UNION RATING — YOU ARE A PAID SCHILL TROLL OF THE DEMOCRAT SHELLY BERKLEY

CONSERVATIVES BE DAMNED IN THE NAME OF ANTI MORMON BIGOTRY
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sf4dubya, Jim knows all about LC. Now it is all about the MormOOOOOOOns. Maybe it’ll be the JOOOOOOs next on this site. Time will tell.


1,778 posted on 08/12/2012 2:24:51 PM PDT by GreyMountainReagan ("Pray for America")
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To: jimsin

As long as yer posting on JimRob’s site, you should smarten yer self up and read his RomneyTruthFile.


1,779 posted on 08/12/2012 2:26:00 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: Kevmo

Colorfornian doesn’t care about the Republican party or the conservative movement.

He/she/it is a plant- here to spread bigotry and anti-Mormon rhetoric to make true Christian Conservatives look like idiots.

Tell us COLORFORNIAN..... Do you support the candidacy of Dean Heller- one of the HIGHEST ranked conservative candidates running for the U. S. Senate?


1,780 posted on 08/12/2012 2:27:14 PM PDT by CWSNTEXAS (The Jewish Pope)
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To: nicmarlo

Naw, my English grammar and/or spelling skills aren’t requirements for posting boards
***Except that they show your bachelor’s degree in English isn’t worth the toilet paper it was written on.


1,781 posted on 08/12/2012 2:27:42 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: CWSNTEXAS

Have you ever thought about starting your own pro-Romney website?

Maybe then you could stop trying to hijack Free Republic.


1,782 posted on 08/12/2012 2:27:51 PM PDT by Third Person (A man's got to know his limitations.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
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1,783 posted on 08/12/2012 2:28:02 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: Elsie; sf4dubya

That cartoon pretty well captures it. Unfortunately, there are people who are permitted to grow up thinking that they can manipulate people by just being insufferably obnoxious, demanding and abusive. Most people will just give them what they want to be rid of them, but for the sake of their future victims, it’s better not to give in to them and thereby reinforce and enable their anti-social behavior. It’s really the job of mothers to nip that kind of stuff in the bud.


1,784 posted on 08/12/2012 2:28:33 PM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: Syncro
I don't have any questions for you sweetie, I ask question of the LDS teachers when I want information on Mormon beliefs.

Oh!

Then you want to accept the online Mormon Teachers Guide!

1,785 posted on 08/12/2012 2:31:16 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Syncro; Colofornian

that there will be no hate towards Mormons on this site.
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Oh really? Well some aren’t listening or didn’t hear it. I saved the thread that the poster Colofornian had deleted. I have never seen such hatred on FR.


1,786 posted on 08/12/2012 2:31:26 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: re_nortex

Who is FR? Seems to me as long as I’ve been here, a lot longer than you, FR is made up of Conservatives and Republicans, both of which have helped make FR the success that it is today. Just because you read and mention a select few posters, do not discount the long and varied list of contributors that have made FR the success it is today. Oh, and in case you missed it, from Sarah Palin “A Romney-Ryan ticket “will certainly offer an alternative to the vision that Barack Obama and Joe Biden have for America. And “there are a lot of us who will have his back”. Something she knows all too well.

See, even she doesn’t live in a world where we always get exactly what we want.


1,787 posted on 08/12/2012 2:31:49 PM PDT by bluerose
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To: Third Person

I made it clear from the beginning of this thread- if you have not read it, that Romney was NOT my choice. In fact, he was last on the list.

Being anti-bigot does NOT equal being all that excited over Romney.

If you can’t see the difference, you’re not very bright.


1,788 posted on 08/12/2012 2:32:41 PM PDT by CWSNTEXAS (The Jewish Pope)
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To: Syncro
... I ask question of the LDS teachers...

But realize that you won't always get YOUR questions answered; as they will not be the right ones...


 
 
Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted

 
 
Timeline...    Subject...
 
0:59           "Anti-Mormons..."
1:16           "ATTACK the faith you have..."
2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."
3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."


1,789 posted on 08/12/2012 2:32:41 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Celtic Cross
There are a lot more people gunning for you to get the zot, you pompous pharisee.

Really? dimwit! Any Christian expects it from those who DO NOT KNOW HIM for It is Written

John 8:55 "Though you do not know HIM, I know HIM. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know HIM and keep HIS word."

John 15:20 "Remember the words I spoke to you: 'No servant is greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also"

John 15:21 They will treat you this way because of My Name, for they do not know the One Who sent Me.

Matthew 10:22 All men will hate you because of Me, but He who stands firm to the end will be saved.

Matthew 24:9 "Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of Me.

1,790 posted on 08/12/2012 2:33:01 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: NittanyLion
Put these nuts in the Religion forum so at least the rest of us don't have to wade through a bunch of nuttery to read/talk actual politics.

There are more threads up and running on Free Republic, even right now this minute. Perhaps one of them will suit you.
1,791 posted on 08/12/2012 2:33:01 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: CWSNTEXAS; Elsie

LC is male.


1,792 posted on 08/12/2012 2:33:49 PM PDT by GreyMountainReagan ("Pray for America")
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To: Elsie; wardaddy; SE Mom; Jim Robinson; Jeff Head; maggief; Travis McGee; NVDave; The KG9 Kid; ...

Hey Elsie, I am so happy you finally outed yourself as someone who doesn’t support a conservative for US Senate simply because he is a Mormon.

Not his voting record but his faith. You’d rather see his seat go to Shelley Berkley (D-Las Vegas), and lose a majority in the Senate.

You’re a sick puppy. This site needs to purge the non-conservatives.


1,793 posted on 08/12/2012 2:33:52 PM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative)
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To: Syncro
The question was, are you and others of your faith going to be gods with your own planets and celestial wives to bear children to populate a planet?

Don't bug headquarters for answers, either, as they'll just refer you back to the local bishop.


"I Don't Know..."
 
In case you don't recognize the title of this post, it is part of President Hinckley's answer to a reporter's question that appeared in the August 4 1997 issue of Time magazine. The reporter referenced the King Follett discourse. The answer supplied and the manner in which it was delivered caused the reporter to draw some false conclusions about a very important doctrine.

In that discourse, the prophet Joseph Smith said, "If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit, and who upholds all worlds and all things by His power, was to make himself visible—I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form—like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man." (See also D&C 130:22)

The article referred to Lorenzo Snow's couplet, "As man is now, God once was; as God now is, man may become." The reporter said, "God the Father was once a man as we are. This is something that Christian writers are always addressing." President Hinckley was then asked, "Is this the teaching of the church today, that God the Father was once a man like we are?"

The bothersome reply

"I don't know that we teach it. I don't know that we emphasize it. I haven't heard it discussed for a long time in public discourse. I don't know. I don't know all the circumstances under which that statement was made. I understand the philosophical background behind it, but I don't know a lot about it, and I don't think others know a lot about it."

The reporter wrote, "On whether his church still holds that God the Father was once a man, he sounded uncertain." That's an unfortunate conclusion. Of course I wasn't at the interview and neither were you but I'll bet the reporter mistook careful thoughtfulness for uncertainty. This doctrine is indeed deep territory and not something that is taught outside the LDS Church.



An earlier and similar interview

The San Francisco Chronicle, published an interview with President Hinckley in April of 1997. The reporter asked, "There are some significant differences in your beliefs. For instance, don't Mormon's believe that God was once a man?" President Hinckley responded, "I wouldn't say that. There is a little couplet coined, 'As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become.'"

He then said, "Now that's more of a couplet than anything else. That gets into some pretty deep theology that we don't know very much about." The reporter pounced on this. "So you're saying that the church is still struggling to understand this? " President Hinckley responded, "Well, as God is, man may become. We believe in eternal progression. Very strongly."

President Hinckley's response

President Hinckley said in October 1997 General Conference: "I personally have been much quoted, and in a few instances misquoted and misunderstood. I think that's to be expected. None of you need worry because you read something that was incompletely reported. You need not worry that I do not understand some matters of doctrine.

"I think I understand them thoroughly, and it is unfortunate that the reporting may not make this clear. I hope you will never look to the public press as the authority on the doctrines of the Church." And there lies the whole point of my post today. Some members did indeed become a little concerned by the exchanges they read in the press reports of those interviews.

Does the Church still teach this?

I know this is old news but it still bothers some people when they discover the anti-Mormon attacks floating around on the Internet. President Hinckley was right. We really don't know much about how our Heavenly Father became a God. The idea that he passed through a mortal probationary state like you and me is certainly not documented in any scripture of which I know.

However, it is still taught. In the Gospel Principles manual in the chapter on exaltation we read, "Joseph Smith taught: "It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God. . . . He was once a man like us; . . . God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-46)."

Summary and conclusion

I don't know why this should bother anyone. The doctrine is true. Joseph Smith knew a whole lot more about this than I do. President Hinckley also knew a whole lot more about this doctrine than he was willing to share with reporters who did not have the background to understand it. It must have been difficult for President Hinckley to hold back and not teach it in those interviews.

It didn't bother me when I read the interviews back in 1997 and it doesn't bother me today. However, I know it does bother some people. We each have trials of our faith. I have never depended on an intellectual understanding of the gospel in order to accept it and live it. There are some things that just can't be fully comprehended without the temple, prayer and faith.



There are some things that just can't be fully comprehended without the temple, prayer and faith.

1,794 posted on 08/12/2012 2:34:27 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: sf4dubya

BRAVO! I feel bad for the good Freepers that are Mormons, like Jeff Head. It’s just not right. I’m so sad at what FR has turned into and I don’t understand why it happened. I will miss it.


1,795 posted on 08/12/2012 2:35:10 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: sf4dubya

Sometimes you must answer the question that SHOULD have been asked.


1,796 posted on 08/12/2012 2:36:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
Virgil Goode is ‘anyone’, and so is Tom Hoefling. But when those inconvenient facts are brought up, people tend to get defensive.

So it appears “NBR” is perhaps more accurate. As in, Nobody But Romney.

Great point. There are saner options than Romney.

1,797 posted on 08/12/2012 2:36:32 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Conservatism didn't magically show up in Romney's heart in 2012. You can't force what isn't in you.)
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To: kevao; Colonel_Flagg
Given there is a 100% certainty that neither Goode or Hoefling will be the next president of the United States, then they cannot possibly qualify as ABO.

No, you seem to forget that the POTUS race is NOT a popular-vote contest.

Rather, it's 51 mini-races (50 states + D.C.)

If I was a betting person, let's say I wagered with you $1,000 that if Romney only won ONE of the following "mini-races" -- you would take the $1,000...
The Left Coast: Hawaii, CA, OR, WA
New England (not sure if I'd include NH yet): Maine, MA, Vermont, CT, RI
NY-NJ
DC area (not VA), but MD, DE & D.C.
Illinois

Those are 15 races there. You now have to be consistent with the above claim...Are you willing to say for those 15 races, "there is a 100% certainty that Romney won't win them; therefore, Romney cannot possibly qualify as 'ABO' in those 15 states"???

(Remember, the POTUS race has no "silver medals" for state-by-state races; 2nd place only counts in horseracing)

So if somebody offered you a wager...would you be willing to say Romney could win just one of those states?

Bottom-line: If 'can't win' automatically eliminates a given candidate as an "ABO" candidate, then while Romney = "ABO" in Virginia, he doesn't = "ABO" in Oregon.

Virgil Goode is on the ballot in Oregon. I say, his chances of taking Oregon are the same as Romney: NIL

Therefore to Oregon voters -- Virgil Goode indeed is an "ABO" candidate.

1,798 posted on 08/12/2012 2:36:45 PM PDT by Colofornian (Why don't you 'birthers' ask Mitt about his 'spirit-birth' on planet near Kolob? Hypocrisy @ work?)
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To: presently no screen name

kook


1,799 posted on 08/12/2012 2:37:15 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: mojitojoe
#1585

You're really not terribly intelligent, are you?

1,800 posted on 08/12/2012 2:38:07 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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