Skip to comments.Ryan is a good man, but does not redeem the abortionist/homosexualist statist Romney
Posted on 08/11/2012 4:42:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Except for his unfortunate go along to get along support of TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending and the increased credit limit, etc, Ryan is a pretty good choice. Probably the best choice of the RINOS that were on Romney's short list. I support Ryan for the vice presidency. Wish he were at the top of the ticket, though.
But I still cannot and will not support the grand father of ObamaCare. Romney still loves and brags about his bastard brainchild, RomneyCare, even today when he knows what an anti-liberty socialist POS it is.
And the fact that he advocated that abortion should be safe and legal in America for over three decades of his adult lifetime and even advocated that Roe v Wade should be supported and sustained as settled law precludes any consideration whatsoever by this pro-life Christian for Myth Romney for the presidency.
And the fact that he boasted that he would be better for "gay rights" than Ted Kennedy, and proved it just increases my resistance.
That, and his penchant for gun control, his continuing support for global warming, gays in the scouts, gays in the military, and his record of appointing liberal judges makes it all but impossible for me to support him.
Lastly, we're having a bit of changeover on our moderator staff. At least two moderators resigned this afternoon after I flatly refused to rein in a so-called anti-Mormon "bigot" on FR. Well, if being in opposition to false prophets and false prophecy makes a Christian believer a bigot, then I guess I'm a bigot. I've posted before that I flat do not believe that the Book of Mormon is the true word of God. Nor do I believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. The Christian bible warns us to be weary of false prophets and that I am. Romney being the presumptive Republican nominee does not change that fact.
Romney fought gay marriage in his state to the end. Making lawyers pay the actual, un-subsidized cost of their bar exams isn't a 'tax.' The 'ruined' MASS GOP elected Scott Brown.
You speak of honesty but you don't know the meaning of the word. But it's cool - less and less people are listening, and I almost didn't bother to respond.
An anti-socon trolling on a thread for days because he can’t stand socons and Christians, so he fights a proxy war as a Mormon warrior, that isn’t a conspiracy, it is just a tactic that liberal trolls use to fight in anger against Christians and social conservatives.
We have seen it here for years, their hatred and bigotry fighting under a false flag.
They are obsessed enough to spend days as trolls for the anti-Christian religion of Mormonism, although in reality they themselves are neither Christian, or Mormon.
Like this, you mean?
Sunday, August 12, 2012 12:51:03 AM · 965 of 2,501
sf4dubya to Jeff Chandler
Are we at the part where they start sacrificing the chickens and speaking in tongues yet?
Sadly, both of those VPs would be improvements over the top of the ticket. (And no, I am not advocating anything that would lead to the death of any elected official — in America, we change our leaders via the ballot box, not violence, and if we vote in bad people we get what we deserve.)
I think we all realize the pros and cons of Ryan vis-a-vis Romney.
I'm not defending VP Joe Biden, but by the standards of the Democratic Party he's better than a fair number of alternatives. Being pro-police, having a son in uniform, and being a longtime supporter of veterans is not enough, but he's better than President Obama. Also, he actually had significant experience in government rather than being an unqualified amateur.
I'm well aware of Biden’s liberal positions and liberal voting record. None of that is enough to vote for Joe Biden. It just points out how bad President Obama is when Joe Biden would be an improvement.
Pulling stuff out of context when people are trying to old school lighten the mood before the damnations and beatings begin is not equivalent to hatred.
You want someone who can’t stand what you believe in? Look at the current resident of the White House.
Sorry, not buying it. There are plenty of teachings of other religions that I would not subscribe to and may think a bit loopy, but unless the candidates are going to try and implement some aspect of their religious beliefs through their political and legislative agenda in a way that would have a negative impact, such beliefs would not likely impact my choice unless I had other beefs with the person. And I have to say, all the Mormons I have ever met have been extremely decent, moral, family-oriented people. I could never believe the silliness of the Book of Mormon, but I would certainly not withhold a vote from someone solely because of their Mormon beliefs. Conservatism is a broad based tent that you pragmatically have to try to inch rightwards while conserving the coalition. Whatever happened to Reagan’s eleventh commandment? The frequenters of this website are becoming ridiculous in their objective support for the Marxist Obama by their hyper purist hatred and demonization of Romney. The primaries are the time to show what direction one wants the party to go in. One has to take a broader and more pragmatic view in the general election. And this constant meme that Romney is “just the same” as Obama is just lunacy. Romney actually believes in the existence of a free market and a healthy private sector. Obama is a statist through and through. As a social conservative, I do believe Romney is a bit wet on those issues, but his movement has been in a positive direction, and based on my knowledge of Mormons and on his private family life, I do think he is at heart a believer in traditional family values. I despair for this country, and the Romney hatred promoted on this site is not constructive at this time. And even with a great pick like Ryan, it is of course never good enough for the blind purists here... Sheesh.
If you want slavish devotion to the republican party you probably need to look at republican sites, this is an independent conservative, site, and Romney is an anti-conservative liberal.
Bishop Mitt Romney is the most radically left wing candidate in history for the GOP, and one of the most radically leftist of either parties, in American history.
It has nothing to do with outcomes. It has to do with defending the principles upon which we all stand. Endorsing Romney means throwing every single principle of Conservatism under the bus...
I do not expect Christians to compromise their deeply held convictions wrt 'Right to Life' and 'Sanctity of marriage' in order to put this mook in office... But the ABO crowd around here does.
I do not expect Military conservatives to vote for a guy whose whole family does not have a single member who served... But the ABO crowd does.
I do not expect fiscal conservatives to suddenly throw out Austrian Capitalism in favor of Keynesian economics... but the ABO crowd does.
I do not expect civil libertarians to give up the Constitution, small government, and RKBA in favor of gun control, enabling federal power, and the belief that the Constitution is a 'living document'... But the ABO crowd does.
Never in my life have Conservatives rolled over on these issues for the sake of expediency (not to mention all of them at once), and I don't expect they will now - Because rolling over on these issues will certainly leave them wholly undefended (never to be championed again), and will remove the last vestiges of opposition to liberalism.
This is an election of dire consequence, to be sure:
Many say that there will be nothing left to defend after 4 more years of Obama...
I would say that without these truths, which we hold are self-evident, there is nothing left to save.
Thank you for stating the plain, unvarnished fact of the matter so succinctly... and so eloquently. ;)
Amazing, social conservatism is what creates and enables fiscal conservatism when everyone in the nation has a vote.
More than that, it can be argued that every outstanding expense in our country can be directly linked to a departure from the Judeo-Christian ethic... Hence, a return to that ethic is what will make fiscal conservatism possible. As an example: The welfare train derails and becomes quite manageable if there are few single parents and bastard children... Solid marriages with male influence would reduce crime dramatically... reducing the police state and enabling cost reductions all the way down to street level... And et cetera infinitum...
Our FRiend is not wrong... but he forgets that the fiscal liberty of bygone days belonged to a largely good and moral people.
Do not be a little conservative, be a full conservative, all three legs.
BRAVO!This is the very foundation of Reagan Conservatism: One faction is no better than the other. Without all of the principles of Conservatism, the factional principles of each respectively will be lost. We need each other.
Well bottom line is this in this election America has a really big gut check coming up. Do you vote for one of the two establishment front runners that will enslaved us to big government even more or do you say no to both and stand on principles that we have which are true to what our Constitution, Bill of Rights, and The Declaration of Independence which give us our freedoms and liberties that are from our Creator God Almighty.
The choice is a very simple one which is to either sell out to the establishment and vote for big government and less freedom, does not matter which of the two parties, or break the shackles of the two parties that will pantomime to who ever their respective audience is for votes knowing full well that they will shaft any group for their own agenda. So the choice is up to you keep selling out your principles and beliefs on down the road for bigger government enslavement hopeing one day a polictal savior will show up and turn things around or do you make a stand and Fight for Freedom and Liberty that America is all about.
Do you really think the Founding Fathers of this country, who fought a revolution for freedom, who put their lives and families lives on the line that if captured would be put to death, would be arguing about voting for the lesser of two evils or do you think they would be leading the fight to say No! not any more to this monstrosity that American Government has become. America Where Are You Now!!!
[Laughing] Remember the Star Trek episode where the big scary monsters turned out to be squeaking, writhing, wormy little creatures that helplessly squealed their outrage, but had no power at all?
That reminds me of you.
I just love the way you truncate my quote and criticize your own construction of what I said.
That was very leftist of you. Do you frequently use leftist methods when you’re being thrashed in a conversation?
And we’ll do it withOUT he namecalling.
Some OTHER folks could learn something from us.
Just they've failed to do anything about abortion.
But we'll sure eat a dead bird for Jesus!
Actually; it's an IGNORANT Christendom we are dealing with - not weak.
When we get pointed in the same direction; WATCH OUT!
(I've been speaking of American Christendom; as the African and Asia ones are growing in the faith and in numbers.)
...still waiting for you to produce all those posts where you said you said good things about the Christians who point out the heresy of MORMONism.
Do you do birthday parties?
You might know Homey - he’s fairly well known in certain circles.
Maybe; maybe not.
Since MORMONism is ruled by lily-livered weasels, who have tossed their god (one of them at least) under the bus in favor of following the dictates of Washington, D.C. (Yeah; they'll knuckle under to what EVER Uncle Sam says or allows) one could reasonably ask if ALL of D&C 132 is now defunct...
That is merely the ATTENTION!!! getting part.
You havent answered a single question with a pro-CHRISTIAN answer.
Given his record I’d vote for him in a heart beat.
If Mitts record was even close I would for him without any reservations.
Mama always told me to NEVER bite off more than you can chew.
Evidently others didn’t get the same message.
My wife has quit complaining about my old jokes I tell the waitresses.
It finally sank in to her what I'd been saying; "I don't need any new material, if I keep getting new audiences."
You, however, evidently have not LEARNED the lessons about MORMONism; from SLC's own writings that we keep posting.
Not to worry, even as you TRY to avoid reading the TRUTH; a little bit rubs off on you each time.
Remember what I told you. You are a joke.
No one reads the crap you post.
(you are to stupid to argue with)
"Hope is a method"--said nobody, ever.
Mr. RomneyCARE CREATED gay marriage HIMSELF. ALONE.
Note Romneys use of improper executive authority. [The Romney Way]
"While former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney claims he did everything possible to throttle homosexual marriage in his state his campaign now saying he took "every conceivable step within the law to defend traditional marriage" several constitutional experts say that just isn't so.
"What Romney did [was] he exercised illegal legislative authority," Herb Titus said of the governor's actions after the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court released its opinion in the Goodridge case in 2003. "He was bound by what? There was no order. There wasn't even any order to the Department of Public Health to do anything."
Titus, a Harvard law graduate, was founding dean of Pat Robertson's Regent University Law School. He also worked with former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore, ...
Romney's aides have told WND that after four of the seven court members reinterpreted the definition of marriage, he believed he had no choice but to direct clerks and others to change state marriage forms and begin registering same-sex couples.
Some opponents contend that with those actions, Romney did no more or less than create the first homosexual marriages recognized in the nation. And Titus agrees."
"....But the court's decision conflicts with the constitutional philosophy of three co-equal branches of government: executive, legislative and judicial, Titus said. It also violates with the Massachusetts Constitution, which states: "The power of suspending the laws, or (suspending) the execution of the laws, ought never to be exercised but by the legislature..."
And it cannot even be derived from the opinion itself, asserts the pro-family activist group Mass Resistance, which says the decision did four things:
* First, it acknowledged that the current law does not permit same-sex marriage.
"The only reasonable explanation is that the Legislature did not intend that same-sex couples be licensed to marry. We conclude, as did the judge, that G.L. c. 207 may not be construed to permit same-sex couples to marry."
* Second, it said it is NOT striking down the marriage laws (among other things, the Massachusetts Constitution forbids a court to change laws)
"Here, no one argues that striking down the marriage laws is an appropriate form of relief."
* Third, it declared that not allowing same-sex marriages is a violation of the Massachusetts Constitution.
"We declare that barring an individual from the protections, benefits, and obligations of civil marriage solely because that person would marry a person of the same sex violates the Massachusetts Constitution."
* And fourth, given that the court is not changing any laws, the SJC gave the Legislature 180 days to "take such action as it may deem appropriate."
"We vacate the summary judgment for the department. We remand this case to the Superior Court for entry of judgment consistent with this opinion. Entry of judgment shall be stayed for 180 days to permit the Legislature to take such action as it may deem appropriate in light of this opinion."
After the Legislature did nothing during the 180 days, Romney then took action "on his own," the group said.
"Gov. Romney's legal counsel issued a directive to the Justices of the Peace that they must perform same-sex marriages when requested or 'face personal liability' or be fired," the group said."
And,after all of this, comes the Judgement...
“The Romney-ites have been spreading their “huff and their puff and we’ll blow the White House down” hubris too broadly...they should focus on the swing states — and stop with the (sometimes) nastiness aimed at voters and potential voters that won’t matter in the electoral vote scheme of things.”
I don’t see Romney as much of an improvement over Obama. I don’t think either should be POTUS. I think people should vote third party to send a message that neighter are OK. I don’t care if it is a swing state, red state, or blue state. We all agree that Obama is a poor/dangerous POTUS and doesn’t deserve reelection. However, like Jim Robinson, I cannot support Romney as an alternative to Obama. I don’t want either. At least, by voting third party, it “may” (if enough will help) deny either man more than 40% of the vote. They cannot claim a mandate in that case.
The primary process is horribly flawed. There is no way Romney could have won if there was some form of runoff elections in the process. However, Romney ran a dirty campaign and spent more time attacking conservatives than he did Obama. Plus, he just plain bought the election with the backing of the GOP establishment. I cannot back such a system anymore. So, I will not vote for Romney. And I don’t think any real (full conservative - social, defense, & fiscal) should give him and the GOPe their backing.
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“’Conservatives’ not all in on getting the marxist kenyan out of the White House.”
Well give us a “conservative” to run against Obama, and he/she will get my vote. Romney is NOT a conservative. He won’t be much better than the Obamination.
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Satan's minions are looking at this thread w a big smile on their faces right now. Bunch of fanatics we have going on here who want to hand a deceiving MORMON 4 years to continue to infiltrate Christianity in America.
So go vote for Obama since he will protect you.
When you begin to see pink ooze, it’s time to stop beating a dead horse
But remember, you are a joke and don’t count
I don’t know what authority you believe you have but you are so far off base you can’t even see it.
What vision could you possibly have that makes what you say of any value?
Who is man to judge ANYTHING?
God is the ultimate judge. Assuming you are Christian, did Jesus hate the tax collector? Did Jesus hate the prostitute? Did Jesus hate the Jews?
Your hate comes from Satan, pal! You probably would have enjoyed living during the religious persecutions of the dark ages killing heretics and such. You better get a better handle on Dan 4:17.
What else can religious freedom mean other than the government cannot force it upon you and you are free to pursue whatever religion you want or none at all.
All religion is based on faith and NEVER fact. You are entitled to your views and they are no better or worse than the views of any other person of faith (or no faith).
If you believe otherwise, you are a bigot!
We have RULES to guide us!
Not from the important stuff.
So go vote for Romney, since he will direct you into an eternity without GOD's presense.
(Just like 85% or so of ALL Mormons!!)
what a deal!
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You've gotten some WRONG information!
71 year old man wrestled to the ground at a Paul Ryan event. Paul Ryan had asserted that programs like social security programs and medicaid were entitlement programs and the man went ballistic, rightfully so, I might add. While these programs need reform, people who paid into them and are 71 are hardly in a position to go back to work.
Sadly, Paul Ryan treats it as a joke rather than answer the question.
There’s nothing quite like the arrogance of the religiously pure...you know, those who can tell us all whom God has condemned for all eternity.
We’re not electing a pope here! We are electing a president. I leave God to handle the workings of this universe and country (Dan 4:17).
Can you possibly believe that ONLY Christians are conservatives? Conservatism is NOT a religion. What a man practices (his faith) is not our concern.
If you don’t like Romney, fine, don’t vote for him but do it on the basis of his policies, not his religious views because that makes you a bigot. If you want to be a bigot that is fine too!
These programs pay out FAR FAR FAR more than these people ever paid in.
Im sick of these greedy old people who act like welfare cases when the math is plainly clear that they are bleeding the system dry.
Yeah, what facts do you have? Better look up “faith” in the dictionary.
That is completely intellectually dishonest. He did no such thing. Paul Ryan is a speaker at a Rotary event, that must go on and he needs a transition to put the focus back to the speech rather than the screaming disruption. So he makes a joke of the behavior of Tom Nielsen, not the question. The way Mr. Nielsen conducted his question is what denies any right of his to have the question answered in any rational way at that event.
Interesting also, here's the statement by Congressman Ryan that preceded the ballistic reaction that you call "righfully so" (Srsly?!) ...
"Most of our debt in the future comes from our entitlement programs ..."
That statement is a fact. And you need to do more research into the Social Security System, signed into law in 1935 by FDR and bastardized by the DemocRATS ever since then in so many ways. Way too many people take out more than they ever put in which is why SS is on life support and needs critical reform which Paul Ryan is properly fiscally recommending.
Bottom line, government should have never been in the nanny state business of confiscatory retirement planning. That is up to the individual which is also a part of Paul Ryan's point.
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