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Ryan is a good man, but does not redeem the abortionist/homosexualist statist Romney
Aug 11, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 08/11/2012 4:42:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Except for his unfortunate go along to get along support of TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending and the increased credit limit, etc, Ryan is a pretty good choice. Probably the best choice of the RINOS that were on Romney's short list. I support Ryan for the vice presidency. Wish he were at the top of the ticket, though.

But I still cannot and will not support the grand father of ObamaCare. Romney still loves and brags about his bastard brainchild, RomneyCare, even today when he knows what an anti-liberty socialist POS it is.

And the fact that he advocated that abortion should be safe and legal in America for over three decades of his adult lifetime and even advocated that Roe v Wade should be supported and sustained as settled law precludes any consideration whatsoever by this pro-life Christian for Myth Romney for the presidency.

And the fact that he boasted that he would be better for "gay rights" than Ted Kennedy, and proved it just increases my resistance.

That, and his penchant for gun control, his continuing support for global warming, gays in the scouts, gays in the military, and his record of appointing liberal judges makes it all but impossible for me to support him.

Lastly, we're having a bit of changeover on our moderator staff. At least two moderators resigned this afternoon after I flatly refused to rein in a so-called anti-Mormon "bigot" on FR. Well, if being in opposition to false prophets and false prophecy makes a Christian believer a bigot, then I guess I'm a bigot. I've posted before that I flat do not believe that the Book of Mormon is the true word of God. Nor do I believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. The Christian bible warns us to be weary of false prophets and that I am. Romney being the presumptive Republican nominee does not change that fact.


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To: Springfield Reformer
Maybe its something in the water.

Mine is red iffn ya don't change the salt on time.

3,181 posted on 08/14/2012 6:21:48 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: John W
Is Jeff Head now an enemy here? That’s pretty scary if so.

He's just fine when sticking to Conservatism.

But he ventures into trying to gloss over the heresies of MORMONism by never addressing them; and THAT is bringing him into the crosshairs (Ooooh - can I SAY that?) of knowledgeable Christians.

Well; knowledgeable AND willing to point out false teachings.

We have WAY too many folk on FR claiming to be Conservatives AND Christian, too; that do NOT wish to appear to be 'intolerant', so they try to shame the rest of us who are NOT fearful of what others call us.

3,182 posted on 08/14/2012 6:27:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GlockThe Vote
I’m not calling Romney a conservative - im calling him our only possibility to oust obama from office.

Give our OTHER branches of government a LITTLE credit!

Even NIXON waved Bye-Bye!!

3,183 posted on 08/14/2012 6:29:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CAluvdubya
When you attack a respected poster such as Jeff Head...

Who is either a deceived or a deceiving MORMON.

Pick one.

3,184 posted on 08/14/2012 6:31:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Lady Lucky
Nice to see someone’s still reading this thread! :)

Oh, I'm finding the whole thing absolutely fascinating; a genuine, laboratory conditions-type demonstration into why Letting Gibbering, Unreasoning Lunatic Terror Inform One's Decisions is seldom, if ever, a rational, thinking adult's preferred solution to any given conundrum... electoral or otherwise. ;)

As I stated, previously:

"Once you've finally managed to define 'conservative' downwards to the point where all it means -- literally, the ONLY thing it still means -- is "Not Obama": then you're no longer part of any coherent, principled or intellectually defensible political ideology.

All you're doing, at that point, is taking part in an imbecilic, nation-wide version of 'Shirts Vs. Skins.'

"Which is absolutely fine. For children."

I've seen so deplorably many FReepers, on this thread, proudly fetishizing their fears; maniacally attempting, literally, to OUT-DO their fellows in some freakish, Dodo-esque attempt to come out (ultimately) as Craven Coward Numero Uno.

("I fear The Kenyan so impossibly much, I'd vote for C'Thulhu and all his assorted Elder Gods, instead! Booga-Booga-Booga!" "If you wouldn't gleefully chop your own grandchildren up into mincemeat -- and then fry up and messily gobble the remains -- in order to vote for Mitt Romney, then YOU DON'T FEAR OBAMA ENOUGH TO LOVE AMERICA AND *ARRGLE*BLARRGLE*AAAAAIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE -- !!!")

I've never seen sweaty, bug-eyed cowardice -- unalloyed and unabashed -- elevated, by a delusional few, into an actual exemplar of "patriotic reason" (or whatever), before this thread.

Would that I had gone quite a bit longer still, before being accorded such an opportunity... particularly on Free Republic.

3,185 posted on 08/14/2012 6:33:15 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: CAluvdubya

3,186 posted on 08/14/2012 6:33:57 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Resettozero

What do you think it means?


3,187 posted on 08/14/2012 6:34:51 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tenacious 1

Gotcha!!


3,188 posted on 08/14/2012 6:36:10 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

LOL!!!! and you believe that don’t you?

Are you in the Choom Bus with Obama?


3,189 posted on 08/14/2012 6:37:51 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Elsie
What do you think it means?

Not the response I had hoped for. I'll get the check this time; you leave a tip. Guess I'd better go for now.
3,190 posted on 08/14/2012 6:38:29 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero; Tenacious 1
I was HOPING that some folks do NOT need a /sarc tag on certain posts; but I was proven wrong.

(Or right...)

3,191 posted on 08/14/2012 6:38:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Resettozero
Not the response I had hoped for.

Once again, what did you hope for?

3,192 posted on 08/14/2012 6:41:02 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Jim Robinson


And he proved your statement true with his most recent actions:

1. Re-affirming his support for homos in the Boy Scouts
2. Stating he would not undo he overturning of DADT
3. Stating that the Chick-Fil-A controversy was not part of his campaign.

Those supporting Romney when there is such stark evidence of his perfidy and wrong-headedness on this issue alone, are in danger of compromising their very Christianity out of fear of Obama.
3,193 posted on 08/14/2012 6:56:07 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: nicmarlo
You aren’t even worthy to call yourself an apprentice of either Paul or Peter.

Why did you duck the question?

Why are you afraid of giving him an honest answer concerning his statement of how Paul and Peter confronted the heresies of his day?

Are you really here, as you say, to promote the message of Christ, or just here to promote your completely flawed political candidate and sacrifice your Christianity in the process?
3,194 posted on 08/14/2012 7:01:55 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

I’m going to trust the only one I can. I read this post from one of my Mormon friends on Facebook this very morning.

Only God can turn a MESS into a MESSage.
..A TEST into a TESTimony
...A TRIAL into TRIumph
..A VICTIM into VICtory.
God is good, all the time.

I’m not placing my faith in Romney nor Obama, not the Republican party OR the Dems. God has a purpose and a plan and His will WILL be done. Think about what choice HE has given us at this time. It will tell you just what His plan is for our nation.

If you’re not a believer, please disregard my post and return to your hand-wringing.


3,195 posted on 08/14/2012 7:04:55 AM PDT by colorcountry (The gospel will transform our politics, not vice versa (Romans 12:1,2))
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To: nicmarlo; Kevmo
Christ told you, “Judge not, that you be not judged” (Matthew 7:1).

Judging is not Christ-like. It is forbidden.


If you are going to use the Bible to back up your claims, at least use the WHOLE Bible, and not just the part you think supports your contentions:

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
3,196 posted on 08/14/2012 7:06:05 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: SoConPubbie
John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

The ones who are simply looking up quotes hastily on Wikipedia always reveal themselves eventually, don't they...? ;)

3,197 posted on 08/14/2012 7:09:53 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: Jeff Head

How touching.

Jesus loves everyone. Who will be saved?


3,198 posted on 08/14/2012 7:15:27 AM PDT by colorcountry (The gospel will transform our politics, not vice versa (Romans 12:1,2))
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To: Jeff Head

Jeff, what you try to accuse me of is what you do throughout your post! Better reread FRiend.

I made it clear I don’t know your motives - I can only see and evaluate your words.. Which are choices you make. I can certainly see those.

Further, I’ve asked you repeatedly for clarification, when you post the clintonian stuff. You always reply with more of the same plus claiming to be a victim plus claiming I’m judging your heart plus... Anything except an honest, forthright communication. I don’t know why. Maybe you do not want to publicly claim what you believe in its totality. Maybe you’ve been trained by Dr. Millet to avoid talking about anything that would make potential recruits uncomfortable? Maybe you want to make Mormonism sound less than a perversion of Christianity? I do not know your motives. I can observe you always do it, so it is reasonable to conclude you do it intentionally.

If you deny this, why not come right out here and state how many gods you believe exist? Not just how many you choose to worship, but how many you believe exist. Why not come right out and tell us about your Mormon belief that god the father and your Mother god have sex to produce offspring, or that god the father used to be a man but became a god, or that Christ (the one you claim you believe in) was created by sex between your other gods? Start there, instead of consistently obscuring your mormonic beliefs while claiming to be oppressed and judged.

I suspect the reason you won’t do is is one of the reasons above. If it isnt, why not end all speculation and tell us why you parse your words so carefully to avoid owning what you believe as a Mormon?

In the meantime, drop the whole victim hood thing. Whining isn’t conservative. Just be forthright and tell more than half-truths.


3,199 posted on 08/14/2012 7:17:18 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ("I'm comfortable with a Romney win." - Pres. Jimmy Carter)
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To: SoConPubbie
(Just so it's absolutely clear: I wasn't referencing you there, SCP.) ;)
3,200 posted on 08/14/2012 7:28:37 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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