Skip to comments.Ryan is a good man, but does not redeem the abortionist/homosexualist statist Romney
Posted on 08/11/2012 4:42:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Except for his unfortunate go along to get along support of TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending and the increased credit limit, etc, Ryan is a pretty good choice. Probably the best choice of the RINOS that were on Romney's short list. I support Ryan for the vice presidency. Wish he were at the top of the ticket, though.
But I still cannot and will not support the grand father of ObamaCare. Romney still loves and brags about his bastard brainchild, RomneyCare, even today when he knows what an anti-liberty socialist POS it is.
And the fact that he advocated that abortion should be safe and legal in America for over three decades of his adult lifetime and even advocated that Roe v Wade should be supported and sustained as settled law precludes any consideration whatsoever by this pro-life Christian for Myth Romney for the presidency.
And the fact that he boasted that he would be better for "gay rights" than Ted Kennedy, and proved it just increases my resistance.
That, and his penchant for gun control, his continuing support for global warming, gays in the scouts, gays in the military, and his record of appointing liberal judges makes it all but impossible for me to support him.
Lastly, we're having a bit of changeover on our moderator staff. At least two moderators resigned this afternoon after I flatly refused to rein in a so-called anti-Mormon "bigot" on FR. Well, if being in opposition to false prophets and false prophecy makes a Christian believer a bigot, then I guess I'm a bigot. I've posted before that I flat do not believe that the Book of Mormon is the true word of God. Nor do I believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. The Christian bible warns us to be weary of false prophets and that I am. Romney being the presumptive Republican nominee does not change that fact.
That is how it will go over in the larger world beyond this forum.
Kid the Mormon world is not that big...
The Mormons claim 6 Million members in the US but as they carry members on their rolls until age 110, long after they are dead and many people have escaped from the “Mormon world” and since only 15% of them are card carrying temple Mormons then there are only 900,000 or less than 1 Million real Mormons in the US “Mormon world”...
Thats a small less than 1% of the US as a whole...
There are more Moslems in the US even if you did want to us that pumped up 6 Million members figure for the Mormons...
I dont think they would take kindly to being considered part of your Mormon world...
and then there are all the Christians who would readily denounce the idea of a so called “Mormon world”
So I wouldnt be concerned about “world” opinion effecting the forum too adversely...
Indeed most would yawn and say What ???
Yup. I guess I’m getting old as I now have several prescriptions that I have to take daily for diabetes, circulation, cholesterol and heart. Also a monthly injection to help build up my blood or keep it within the normal range. Plus, I take over the counter iron, vitamins and calcium tablets daily. No (or very little) sugar. Reduced fats. Watch the starches. No beer or alcohol (quit that about 20 years ago). No tobacco (quit that over 40 years ago). No illegal or recreational drugs (never did drugs). Lots of coffee and diet cola. And all of my various levels that they are monitoring via bi-monthly or quarterly blood tests have been within the normal ranges for well over a year, so I guess the drugs are working. Blood pressure and oxygen levels fine too. The only thing is my pulse rate is always a bit high. Wonder why?
That the concerned conservatives are “Mitt-Bots” or “RINOS” is insulting, disgusting and infuriating.
***Uh Huh, yeah right. The Principled Conservatives are being called “pro-obama” and stupid. And among those principled conservatives is the owner of the website. There are dozens of active attempts to separate principled conservatives from their conservative principles to vote for a lying baby-killing librul statist. Such activity is not conservative. It would be better for the concerned conservatives to actively convert 0bots to mittbots rather than continue to sow discord on this conservative website.
Besides your typical and all too normal personal attacks against us ex-mormons who choose to expose the doctrine, you now throw up a strawman about the election. You call yourself a “concerned conservative”. All in the mame of casting more stones at those of us you have some grudge with. Fail.
This moderator made it his personal mission to “punish” FReepers, thought police if you will. Using personal attacks, ad hominems, and vile, unsupported accusations is not “questioning or challenging” ex-mormons. I’ve not seen you or any of your cabal once actually attempt to rebut any information posted by an ex-mormon.
It’s all designed to do one thing and one thing only, destroy the credibility of the poster. Something you and many of your other shills have developed a penchant for.
No one I know of is looking to “win”, get it through that obtuse skull of yours. Debating the doctrines on the RF used to be an exercise in diligence, learning and patience.
But when one is constantly forced to defend themselves against the Alinsky Brigade present on FR and then have a mole in the moderator’s break room helping them out, the integrity is lost.
No Deb, the Alinsky Brigade was “winning”, but like all rat infestations, they usually get to bold and come out into the light of day and get caught.
No Deb, there are no “winners” here.
We will continue moderating FR that way we have been for all these years. Anyone who doesn’t like it or doesn’t trust us is free to post elsewhere. Thanks.
Well, thanks for considering my suggestion based upon bibilical principles of keeping things in the light.
HAHA! “sewing discord”??!!! What are you doing, stand-up? Its obvious who the discord seamstresses are. But, hey, you guys won, what are you still bitching and whining about? You should be celebrating all the good people you got tossed. All the moderators who stepped down. Have a party. Get t-shirts. Invent a handshake. But don’t lecture me about the “owner of the website”.
You’re very welcome.
But when one is constantly forced to defend themselves against the Alinsky Brigade present on FR and then have a mole in the moderators break room helping them out, the integrity is lost.... there are no winners here.
***Yup. At least it did come to the light this time. Of course, as JimRob says if you don’t trust the mods here, you can post elsewhere. I hope that does not happen with the folks who have been exposing cults here on FR. We should all pray that integrity would be regained.
You make it sound like something to celebrate when a freeper opuses out because they suddenly realize they’re not conservative.
And yes, you are sowing discord. A few years from now when you revisit this thread that might become obvious to you.
Save your mouth-foaming for people who are really against you. That's not me.
FYI: My first question about Mormonism on one of your sweet, happy threads, was met with an avalanche of name-calling and personal attacks. I didn't understand war had been declared. I came to know it and kicked back as hard as I got. Apparently, the ex-Mormons have been so damaged they flail at people just passing by.
“We will continue moderating FR that way we have been for all these years. Anyone who doesnt like it or doesnt trust us is free to post elsewhere. Thanks.”
Jim, I respectfully think you should reconsider what I think Kevmo is trying to say. Posters here on FR that agree with your stance on Romney, should not be subject to repeated calumnies like, “Your third party vote is a vote for Obama.” Or, you are an “OBOT” because you won’t vote for Romney. That is, you know, a lie. Generally, they wouldn’t say that to you directly...why should they get away with saying to other posters here on FR that mirror your stance exactly?
Once again, I respectfully submit that maybe certain actions, like those mentioned above, should get a poster a “time out” where they cannot post without going through a moderator? If they persist, then a zot might be called for, after your review. Conversely, maybe persons like myself, than won’t support Romney because of his past, should have limits put on us as to what is acceptable rhetoric. I have gone over the top at times...I shouldn’t be calling an ABO poster a “traitor” or “surrender monkey.” That should get me a time out. Do you see what I am advocating, is that on both sides (pro Romney and anti Romney) there needs to be certain things that are not allowed to be written here without reprimand.
Tempers are a bit out of control and need to be tempered a bit. To inclue my own.
At least consider posting some new guidelines on proper discourse. BTW - IF you don’t, I’m not going to leave in a huff. I doubt Kevmo will either.
No thanks. We’ll continue operating the forum as we always have.
You categorized me correctly as an ex-mormon, then proceeded to lay the “blame” for all of the perceived problems here at FR and in the election in general on ex-mormons.
Then say you weren’t casting stones at me? How does that work?
And no, I’m not “damaged”.
Right along the lines of my earlier proposal.
Nothing has changed about my principles, ethics, or my relationship with God but you sure couldnt tell it from the way Ive been treated here lately. Why?
***My guess is that JimRob doesnt want to open another heart-wrenching bugzapper thread. So he allows the RINO squishes to bash conservatives.
If it were me, Id post a boundary establishing thread that draws the line for both sides. If you have decided for yourself to vote for Romney, thats your own choice that we disagree with. If youve decided to write in a conservative, that is also your own choice. Each Freeper makes their choice and the choice is respected
But if you try to separate conservatives from their conservative beliefs on this conservative website to get them to vote for a librul like Romney, youre a librul and youve crossed the line. Similarly, if you call the Romney voters something like squishes or cowards or CINOs or libruls then you have also crossed the line. Anyone who crosses the line gets one warning, then a timeout.
Seems like a simple way to keep the peace during such a troublesome time that the choice is 2 babykilling libtards.
368 posted on 07/11/2012 8:30:11 AM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. Its A Socon Site.)
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If it were me, Id post a boundary establishing thread that draws the line for both sides. If you have decided for yourself to vote for Romney, thats your own choice that we disagree with. If youve decided to write in a conservative, that is also your own choice. Each Freeper makes their choice and the choice is respected.
I called directly to the top for this several months ago, as soon as it became clear that Romney was pulling away with the nomination.
I was told pointedly that there would be absolutely no room on FR for those who thought supporting the GOP nominee was best for America.
Then there was the so-called truce that was utterly ill-formed and incoherent and failed to address any of the real issues at hand.
Now here we are, doing what were doing.
Oh, well. At least were making the DUmmies, the commies, Team Obama, the rent-seekers, the moochers, and the jihadis happy.
403 posted on 07/11/2012 11:08:13 AM PDT by rogue yam
To: rogue yam; Jim Robinson
Well, this is interesting. Weve got a RINO squish agreeing with a hold-your-ground Conservative agreeing with eachother on how this situation should be handled on Free Republic.
540 posted on 07/11/2012 5:03:37 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. Its A Socon Site.)
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Save your breath, I'm going...
That's true and I don't plan to. I can live with JR's decisions, have to. It's his site. But I would hope that this serves as some kind of wake up call.
The mods do an outstanding job overall, given the situations and topics they moderate.
But in the back of one's mind...
You know my stance, Jim: it's your house, always and forever... and you're (rightly and unalterably) its sole arbiter and master.
Your Place; Your Rules. I'll abide, regardless of whatever you ultimately decide.
That being freely and happily conceded, however: what Kevmo and Sola are saying, directly above, is, I think, both perfectly consistent with FR principles AND rigorously fair.
Hope that didn't seem "out of turn"; slipping back into regular Snarky Observer Mode, now. ;)
There’s nothing to decide. I’m not making any changes.
So are you consistent here? Do you deem distinctions between...
...attacking Muslims or Islam? Since Muslims also "will take" it "personally, and should" did you favor protecting Islam on this site? (Why didn't we ever see anybody stick up for that, then, on various threads?)
...attacking homosexuals or the homosexual activist agenda? Since homosexuals also "will take" it "personally, and should" did you ever favor protecting homosexual activism on this site?
Do you likewise think that attacking the Democrats' agenda equates to your Democrat neighbors & relatives? Yes? No? Are you simply inconsistent on this?
There are other religions that have been called cults such as Christian Science, Jehovah's Witnesses,Worldwide Church of God,Unity School of Christianity or Scientology that do not have to take the constant assault you allow on MormonISM.
These other groups haven't had "regular" FR posters to engage with...to my knowledge...evidenced by the reality that we didn't have JW or Unity School of Christianity caucuses on this site. You know, that should be quite obvious to you...
Also, the Worldwide Church of God became one of the first cults to convert almost wholesale to orthodox Christianity...Why? Because Christians bothered to care about them and witness to them with the truth. I suppose you'd like to protect that same thing from happening to Mormons, eh?
Only people with a grudge would crusade like this.
There you are judging the inward motivations of complete strangers. How much do you have to "hate" someone to be "OK" with them heading to hell? Just because you don't seemingly take Biblical verses to heart -- like Jude 23: save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear... provides a reality-check on the urgency needed.
Mormons are generally peaceful and socially Conservative who don't deserve this abuse.
But apparently you're "OK" with Mormons tithing to label all Christian "professors" as "corrupt" -- all Christian creeds as an "abomination" ... and all Christians as "apostates."
Snapshot of Joseph Smiths Slanderous Invectives vs. Christian Sects
Mormon Source[Note: Most of these are Mormon scriptures'. In fact, First three rows below are Lds 'scripture' & therefore cannot be rug-swept any more than a Jew might try to take three commandments off of the very tablets of stone Moses brought down from the mountain]
|...which of all the sects was right must join NONE of them, for they were ALL WRONG those professors were ALL CORRUPT ||Joseph Smith History vv. 18-19. Lds "scripture" Pearl of Great Price|
|...which of all the sects was right ALL their CREEDS were an ABOMINATION in his sight they teach for doctrines the commandments of MEN ||Joseph Smith History vv. 18-19. Lds "scripture" Pearl of Great Price|
|Mormon church the only Christ-sanctioned church on earth: the foundation of this [Mormon] church the ONLY true and living church on the face of the whole earth [Obvious scorched earth implication: All other churches are false and dead]||Lds scripture Doctrines & Covenants 1:30|
|Direct question asked of Joseph Smith: 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons?" Answer from Lds "prophet" Joseph Smith: 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness."||Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119 [Not scripture but still publicly spoken by the Mormon living prophet and published by a later Mormon living prophet, Joseph Fielding Smith via a publisher owned by the Mormon church Deseret News Press, 1938]|
|In 1952 the first official proselyting plan was sent to missionaries throughout the world It included seven missionary discussions that emphasized [four topics, one of them being] THE APOSTASY and Restoration [This makes it 60 years that Mormon church missionaries, now numbering 55,000, have formally emphasized in its training & door to door saturation a priority in bashing the worldwide Christian church as apostates (100% AWOL)]||Our Heritage: A Brief History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints p. 116, 1996|
“No thanks. Well continue operating the forum as we always have.”
Okie, Dokie....it never hurts to ask respectfully. And as I keep pointing out to folks here...”This is Jim’s house, I will behave in a manner he prescribes for his house, or I will leave.”
Maybe the rhetoric will die down with time. I’m tired of arguing in circles with die hard ABOs...so maybe it has already?
Maybe new rules should be posted
***So we’re in agreement, then? Just like when I agreed with the squish Rogue Yam.
Or have you all decided that the person who heaps the most scorn on Mormons is the most conservative?
***No freeping way. If Romney had an unmistakable pro-life record, Pro-family, Pro-Military, Pro-America, Pro-borders, etc. then there would be very few pouring scorn on him. Just a few of these ex-mormon types, and they would be welcome to their views. But that isn’t the case.
I know, but it’s Jim’s house, Jim’s rules. He obviously does an excellent job or we wouldn’t be here.
Provide a link with this post detailing "your first question", please. I'd love to see it.
Let’s not try to make this into something it’s not. The mod was simply asking me to make a change in policy. I made no such change. Guess he decided he couldn’t live with my decision not to change the policy so went elsewhere (so to speak). I’m not making any changes and the moderator did the right thing. If he couldn’t abide by my stated policies (for whatever reason), he stepped aside. I respect him for his choice. He did nothing wrong here and never has.
There are no new rules. Sheesh!!
went_right_through. Quantum humor? It sparked my own detector, though. I'm still laughing.
Well, I would answer that by pointing out 180 years of leaders and members claiming the religion was being "persecuted" and a desire to even the score.
There are also LEGITIMATE AND CONCERNED conservatives
Did you notice at all that your so called “LEGITIMATE AND CONCERNED conservative” Willard has severely ignored the fact that there are multitudes of illegal aliens lining up to get AMNESTY ???
Your boy Wee Willie supposedly has his “hands tied”
What is that suppose to mean in all severeness ???
I gather we have a Chikin situation...
The rules for the Religion Forum are different than those on the news forum. If You’re curious, go to the Religion Moderator page where they’re posted and read them.
Here’s a link:
Not everyone is at the same place in their conservatism, and at their recognition of the GOP-e’s war against conservatism.
Not every freeper is at the same place in their recognition of, and fellowship with, and awareness of, the strength, commitment, and possibilities of this new anti-GOP-e/tea party rebellion.
Some freepers are ordinary republicans that only know Romney of the last five years, and they see him as the usual republican moderate that republicans are always forced to endure, and submit to, those freepers probably don’t understand the depths of our knowledge of Mitt Romney’s life long politics, and the hidden passion of his anti-conservatism, and they are puzzled about this determination not to get behind their party’s nominee, so we naturally hear the common and natural, election year cries of “most important election in history”, “if you don’t vote for Romney, you support Obama”, “Your third party vote is a vote for Obama”, etc.
Some of that has to be expected and endured, and ignored, if it becomes over done, over used, personal, and is creating logjams and hijackings, and too much bloodshed on threads, then a little slap down and a reminder of what freerepublic is, seems called for occasionally.
The last 3 months of an election year when freerepublic is against the GOP nominee, is going to be interesting and challenging.
I don’t know how JR can handle all the stuff he does, and has, for so many years.
I asked an innocent scriptural question about a Mormon teaching, not realizing I was in the "Religion" forum or that I had stumbled into the "Mormons=satan" crowd. I just saw the headline in "latest posts".
Since none of you seem to have anything to do but fly thru threads and post reams of unreadable text, I'm sure someone will find it.
Maybe it was this one:
I wonder how many ex-Catholic, ex-Jewish, ex-Baptist, ex-Hindu, ex-evangelical, ex-Marxist, ex-bass fisher there are?
No one is buying this campaign to defeat Romney thru his mormonism. It won’t work.
14 posted on Thursday, May 24, 2012 1:28:42 PM by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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... or perhaps you'd like to see something in a slightly broader range...?
As I expected. All hat, no cattle from you.
I'm pretty sure that they welcome the questions and challenges.
C’mon, Deb. You’re no innocent babe in the woods. You’re a veteran attack warrior of old. I’ve seen you light into unsuspecting freepers and make mince meat of them many times. I have no doubt that you have alligator skin protected by several layers of flame-proof asbestos.
Maybe it was this one, but now that I’ve gotten a sample of your undiscerning posts, what you write cannot be legitimately called “innocent scriptural questions”. Once again, it’s obvious that your purpose is to sow discord. Obama thanks you for such efforts.
You guys should read “A Mormon in the White House” by Hugh Hewitt. A great book.
(and keep up the insanity...its really working!)
4 posted on Thursday, April 19, 2012 12:14:37 PM by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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My first post at freerepublic was complaining about Hugh Hewitt's mushiness.
It suffices to demonstrate your line of “logic” is stupid. But being able to actually force you to don the clothespin would mean you were a zombie with no will.
Plus, as you know, I attack(ed) because I thought I was dealing with eschoir or other enemies of the people...that's when you loved me and sent me i-orchids.
And stop accusing me of sewing! I don't sew!
Not too sure. I'm still seeing the typical moronic "Obama thanks you for your vote".
And I still love you. Why wouldn’t I? A lovely innocent young lady with flowers in her hair and all can’t be bad.
Militantly pro-life? I think this is where we came in about seven or eight years ago with Rudy/Romney.
Only the rhetoric has changed.
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