Posted on 08/11/2012 4:42:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Except for his unfortunate go along to get along support of TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending and the increased credit limit, etc, Ryan is a pretty good choice. Probably the best choice of the RINOS that were on Romney's short list. I support Ryan for the vice presidency. Wish he were at the top of the ticket, though.
But I still cannot and will not support the grand father of ObamaCare. Romney still loves and brags about his bastard brainchild, RomneyCare, even today when he knows what an anti-liberty socialist POS it is.
And the fact that he advocated that abortion should be safe and legal in America for over three decades of his adult lifetime and even advocated that Roe v Wade should be supported and sustained as settled law precludes any consideration whatsoever by this pro-life Christian for Myth Romney for the presidency.
And the fact that he boasted that he would be better for "gay rights" than Ted Kennedy, and proved it just increases my resistance.
That, and his penchant for gun control, his continuing support for global warming, gays in the scouts, gays in the military, and his record of appointing liberal judges makes it all but impossible for me to support him.
Lastly, we're having a bit of changeover on our moderator staff. At least two moderators resigned this afternoon after I flatly refused to rein in a so-called anti-Mormon "bigot" on FR. Well, if being in opposition to false prophets and false prophecy makes a Christian believer a bigot, then I guess I'm a bigot. I've posted before that I flat do not believe that the Book of Mormon is the true word of God. Nor do I believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. The Christian bible warns us to be weary of false prophets and that I am. Romney being the presumptive Republican nominee does not change that fact.
“***I didn’t see that at all. They were invariably true conservatives. It was a small website. The republican loyalists didn’t start showing up until the 2000 election.”
Then I will go with what you say. I didn’t start lurking at FR until after the 2000 election. However, I am conservative first, Republican next. Also, although I am primarily a SOCON and National Defense conservative, I am fiscally conservative because it is the “right” thing to do. You don’t spend more money than you make...whether you are an individual or a government. And you don’t keep “taxing and spending” as the old mantra went!
Anyway, my point is that I hold to all three legs. I keep encountering folks here that are really only “fiscal” conservatives....and I question if they even have that right.
I follow latest posts every day and I’ve read a lot of religious debates. I can’t say that I’ve seen on FR a phenomenon of people pushing the Mormon religion. I’ve read many posts attacking the Mormon religion.
The times I got involved in the Religious forum, it was always an article warning about Mormonism.
Just letting you know my observations. There could be a zillion pro mormon posts but then again the reaction of the typical consumer is often valid. As a constant consumer of FR I’m aware of a trend to express concern about Mormonism. It’s definitely not my issue.
Vote your conscience and belief.
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Finally some words appear Conservative...
My conscience and belief dictate that I not vote for the Godless immoral pro-abortion liberal Willard...
and thats what this thread is all about...
Re: your earlier concern about being audited by the democrat devils. I think today a valid screen name would be “Don’t want to be euthanized by the democrats”. They’ll still audit you as well.
Your uncalled for personal attacks aside, you completely went off the deep end when I demonstrated very succinctly that there is a huge difference between actions and words.
I am voting for a Mormon that happens to be one of the most conservative sitting Senators over a Jewish liberal congresswoman. His Mormon faith (and her Jewish faith, since I am a Jew) means absolutely nothing to me politically, and I keep pointing that out over and over again because any political campaign shouldn’t be evaluated solely on a candidate’s religion.
I am NOT one of the posters who decided to make this thread about Romney’s religion, and posting all the anti-Mormon conspiracy crap.
People like you want to make it about Mormons to forward whatever reason. It is more than enough to state “I’m not voting for Romney because of x, y, and z.” That is perfectly acceptable. But to make it about religion makes you look like a bigot. That is beneath and doesn’t hold up to conservative scrutiny.
What anti-abortion legislation did Romney sign?
Wow.
Thank you so very much for making my day, you have validated my point religion is an issue.
You wont vote for a Jew but will vote for a Mormon, strictly based on what they believe.
Are you serious? What is a Jew to do when confronted with a lie that might harm others?
“The two shouldn’t even be mentioned together in the same reply, there’s just no comparison that could possibly put M.R. in a good light. M.R. is the epitome of liberalism while R.R. was the shining light of conservatism.”
Agreed. For conservatives today, that were adults when Ronald Reagan was POTUS, he is considered the Best POTUS the republic every had! If it weren’t “conservative blasphemy”, I would actually laugh at somone that would dare to compare Myth with Ronald Reagan.
Source?
And how would that reconcile with his pride in free to $50 abortion in RomneyCare.
What anti-abortion legislation did Romney sign?
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None
and he wont...
Hes lifelong pro-abortion...
He swore to “sustain” Roe V Wade as “the law of the land” and to “uphold and protect the right of a woman to have an abortion”
as a Mormon to “sustain” is equal to a blood oath...
and dont worry about parents stopping their underage children from having an abortion...
Your boy Wee Willie had that one covered...
He wanted judges to overrule parental authority...
Yes Willard wont be signing any “anti-abortion legislation” any time soon...
You could have stopped right there.
Name names. I don't know of any.
When you read these posts in the Religion Forum exposing Mormonism not attacking it, where you aware that they are posted using the words of Mormon leaders, and quotes from their own doctrines?
Many of us have decades of experiences with Mormonism and know it well, which is why we try and expose it.
If you find the information incorrect, please point it out. Thanks.
You misconstrued what I said.
Reagan was vehemently pro-life while in office. So was GW Bush. Any Republican president has to be now. But even if pro-life and nominating pro-life candidates for SCOTUS, you need a Congress that will approve those nominations.
And Roberts displayed as a pro life SCOTUS justice that words mean little. His actions damaged not only the pro life cause, but the fiscal conservative one.
Obama already demonstrated he will bypass Congress. And Congress already demonstrated they will not impeach him over it. They will not even pass a budget. Marxism must be stopped cold dead in its tracks.
I am not ABO. I am for someone who has a record of signing pro life legislation among several other issues I personally evaluate, and more importantly, what is put in front of him by a Conservative majority Congress.
You vote how you like. I am voting for Romney & Ryan, I explained how my conscience is clear, and my measly one vote doesn’t matter in a sea of millions, so no need to convince me otherwise.
One of your references is from from 2007 and now you and Jim are calling him a liar. I think you are extremely judgmental as you simply cannot know that. You resent Romney for past weaknesses and now you and Jim are throwing the baby out with the bath water.
One of your references is from from 2007 and now you and Jim are calling him a liar. I think you are extremely judgmental as you simply cannot know that. You resent Romney for past weaknesses and now you and Jim are throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Dean Heller (R-NV)
90 lifetime rating from American Conservative Union. You can look up his voting record since you are SO informed of who our conservative Senators are.
You think I shouldn’t vote for him because he is a Mormon. Pathetic and sad.
People think electing a President is like electing a king around here. The biggest threat to any sane citizen of this country is the king bypassing Congress with his executive orders in the White House, completely unrestrained.
Wow, you just keep doing this sing-song repetition about religion, over and over, day after day.
I’m just happy that I got you to take down your homepage statement advertising FR as a home for stormfront people, yesterday.
Your statement to the world from your FR homepage that you are a “Proud member of the Cleanse FR of Stormfront Bigots Brigade.”
How many years was that up there?
Your post suggest a tendency to have ignored the proselytizing threads posted by mormons over the past five years, and to have centered on the rebuttals to them.
If "it's not my issue", you are making it your issue with incomplete information on the actual debate. If it's not your issue, why are you complaining about it?
Additionally, the entry of Mitt Romney into the race for POTUS in '07 and again now leads to "concern" about mormonism to match your "trend to express concern about Mormonism".
Nice to know you can mind read.
Show me once where I said you should not vote for this person I have never heard of, in a race that means nothing to me to date, for any reason whatsoever.
Show me once where I said anything about Romney being a Mormon as a reason not to vote for him, I am concerned first and foremost about his LIBERAL record. (Although, Romney’s Mormonism does not in anyway contradict his liberal record, just as a side note and a person’s belief system is important to understand who they are)
Apparently, Romney’s LIBERAL record doesn’t bother you, fine and dandy, that’s not on me.
Vote for the liberals you want, and I will vote for the conservatives I want - see we each get to vote for the candidate of our choice.
What does any of that have to do with this thread?
And the Jewish question — read the Torah. The answer lies there.
Seriously, the best thing for your cause is to convert Romney from Mormon to whatever other Christian faith you all decide while he is in office. The daily “pray for our President” threads sure would be interesting.
Well, them allow me. Anybody stupid enough to swallow mormonism, in its entirety, is way to stupid to be President. I have literally hundreds of other reasons to not vote for Romney but his Mormonism is definitely one of them.
You post the same slam twice, #4266 and 4267 about JR and fail to ping him to either post....why?
Good one.
Typo.
Well, then allow me.
You are, or have been a student of Robert L. Millett.
And you learned your lessons well.
O is it a rule here that I have to ping the person I am critical of? Give me a break...I am on my smart phone and I did not even think of it. It is you that is doing the slamming calling our best hope in getting our nation free of this communist...a liar. Give me a break! And the double post was a mistake so just calm your mind.
Don’t worry about it. I’m not all that interested in what clueless Romney supporters have to say about me. Romney has a 30 some odd year record of being a corrupt godless abortionist/homosexualist leftist usurping bastard and he cannot change that fact. It’s the truth of the matter. And he will not change his stripes. Statism the only thing he knows.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OQoBxZZPqU&feature=player_embedded
What anti-abortion legislation did Romney sign?
I see you won’t answer a simple question.
What does a Jew do when confronted with a lie?
It is a pretty simple question - I shouldn’t have to read the Torah. I’m starting to wonder if you have.
What reference from 2007?
Discerning people do not have to be deceived by every lying politician’s every statement.
Romney is a pathological liar by nature, and he has been trained all of his life to lie, and now you want to accept that he honestly had epiphany, after epiphany, after epiphany, and totally reversed his almost 60 years of beliefs and hard fought politics, on issue after issue after issue, as he started running for president?
No one but Mitt, has ever made such a cynical, instant, superman in a phone booth like reversal, of almost ALL of his lifelong politics.
Of course. They are not dumb; they know their intended audience and target them.
FReepers are too well informed to fall for the lies of MORMONism.
In fact; just the opposite occurs here.
Yeah!!
Only LIBERALS!!
--MormonDude(Like Mitt! {uh... did I just type that??} )
If you don’t know who the conservative Senators are running for re-election this year, then that is your lazy CINO tendencies rearing it’s ugly head.
Don’t blame me for them.
Out of state contributions are huge factors in Senate races. Your anti-Mormon stuff is poisonous.
Are you saying that I place more mormon doctrine and scripture on FR than even MORMONs do???
The one's that contain KJV bible passages, but hardly ever show anything from MORMON sources?
Let me be more specific. I think the last time I jumped into one of these religious forum debates, someone was there advising Roman Catholics that they should be so concerned about Mormonism and Mormons converting Catholics.
I explained that I’ve never known a RC converted to Mormonsim, but have seen plenty start attending the new evangelical christian denomination down the road. And that as a Roman Catholic I have more issue with the Protestant Reformation than with Mormonism. Because Mormonism amounts to exactly squat in most of this country (Apologies to Nevada and Utah).
Let’s be real, FR has taken on an anti Mormonism trend and there is no flood of Mormons pushing their faith here. Not saying there are not a few.
My issue is defeating Obama.
Makes me wonder just WHY did those Jews latch onto 613 laws; instead of the easy seven?
Nah...
They're just very noisy.
Look to the anti-life crowd’s hysterics over Romney and you find the answer pretty easily.
My Alzheimer's has flared up again.
Which question did I ask, and where did you answer it?
I apologize that it is fun riling up those who are especially rilable on religious matters. But yes I have to say I have learned about Mormonism from anti Mormon posters on FR. All very interesting and I love people posting whatever they like. Probably not as interesting as when we advise people who’ve sighted demons dancing in their living rooms, but still worth a glance.
As for Mormonism, I’m older than I wish and based on my whole life experience I cannot imagine worrying about Mormons. Maybe I just have lived in the wrong part of the country because to me they are a non factor.
The 7 are for non-Jews. As for the 613, I already explained.
Still haven’t answered... Can you look down the list of seven Noahide laws and agree with them or are you going to keep deflecting constantly?
We are supposed to see people in the moment and how they live and believe now. I believe he is sincere and you do not and need to exaggerate a bit and go back years to back up your judgement and so does Jim. Shame on you as that is what the left continually does to us...go by the past.
Oh; they can change all right; but CLAIMING to be a GOOD mormon BEFORE the 'change' makes me, at least, go "HMMMmmm..."
While...
...you keyboard geniuses are so well informed about what is going on down here in the trenches of grassroot conservatism, it is actually instructional.
Wow, you would rather a Catholic convert to the non-Christian religion of Mormonism than to become a non-Catholic Christian?
Stop demonizing people.
Did you just post something about being CLUELESS???
I'm STILL waiting for Jeff to comment about the following; perhaps YOU'D like to while we are waiting...
....and replacing him with his identical twin. You won't like living under the mormon yoke any better than under Obama's.
All-Mormon Supreme Court Spells Theocracy to Disgruntled Utahans
"You got a Supreme Court that's all Mormon, a Legislature that's practically all Mormon, an executive department headed up by a Mormon and a Republican Party that's all Mormon."
That may not be surprising for a state founded by a church theocracy and still 70% Mormon. But Leavitt's two February appointments broke a tradition that dates from 1926 of having at least one non-Mormon on the high bench. It was in 1926 that territorial judges who were elected by popular vote began to retire,
Now, from local to federal courts in Utah, members of one faith overwhelmingly rule the bench.
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