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Ryan is a good man, but does not redeem the abortionist/homosexualist statist Romney
Aug 11, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 08/11/2012 4:42:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Except for his unfortunate go along to get along support of TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending and the increased credit limit, etc, Ryan is a pretty good choice. Probably the best choice of the RINOS that were on Romney's short list. I support Ryan for the vice presidency. Wish he were at the top of the ticket, though.

But I still cannot and will not support the grand father of ObamaCare. Romney still loves and brags about his bastard brainchild, RomneyCare, even today when he knows what an anti-liberty socialist POS it is.

And the fact that he advocated that abortion should be safe and legal in America for over three decades of his adult lifetime and even advocated that Roe v Wade should be supported and sustained as settled law precludes any consideration whatsoever by this pro-life Christian for Myth Romney for the presidency.

And the fact that he boasted that he would be better for "gay rights" than Ted Kennedy, and proved it just increases my resistance.

That, and his penchant for gun control, his continuing support for global warming, gays in the scouts, gays in the military, and his record of appointing liberal judges makes it all but impossible for me to support him.

Lastly, we're having a bit of changeover on our moderator staff. At least two moderators resigned this afternoon after I flatly refused to rein in a so-called anti-Mormon "bigot" on FR. Well, if being in opposition to false prophets and false prophecy makes a Christian believer a bigot, then I guess I'm a bigot. I've posted before that I flat do not believe that the Book of Mormon is the true word of God. Nor do I believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. The Christian bible warns us to be weary of false prophets and that I am. Romney being the presumptive Republican nominee does not change that fact.


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To: ArrogantBustard
Your behaviour on this forum disgusts me.

Yeah; I DO tend to act like an arrogant little bastard at times.

But what do you think of the THINGS that I post?

Can you point out the error in ANY of it?

4,301 posted on 08/16/2012 12:13:00 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ansel12

wow some folks here just make me laugh. Show me where I said I prefer a person convert to Mormonism over anything else????

I said and I believe I said it in English, that I have never in my life known a Roman Catholic to convert to Mormonism, whereas I have known some to attend other denominations.

Was that really so hard for you? I’m sure it’s happened but there is not exactly a flood of people converting to Mormonism.


4,302 posted on 08/16/2012 12:13:38 PM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: Williams

Nevada issues you a pardon... lol!

As long as you forgive the fact that some of us have to put up with the loons in Clark County who kept voting Reid in... Sigh....


4,303 posted on 08/16/2012 12:13:38 PM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative)
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To: sf4dubya
But to make it about religion makes you look like a bigot.

To EXCLUDE religion makes you look like a fool.

4,304 posted on 08/16/2012 12:15:27 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: sf4dubya
You think I shouldn’t vote for him because he is a Mormon.

Ol' Roy said THAT?

Where?

4,305 posted on 08/16/2012 12:17:10 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39

You know everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I really can’t get all bothered with people who think Romney is Obama’s twin and then start ranting about an all Mormon Supreme Court. I guess you should just vote for Obama.

I mean really, I’m on Free Republic for 14 years and it’s got to the point where people are OFFENDED by the statement that my main issue is defeating Barack Hussein Obama, leftist socialist democrat and marxist.

But my main issue should be Mormonism. Gotcha.


4,306 posted on 08/16/2012 12:18:07 PM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: roylene
Show me once where I said you should not vote for this person I have never heard of, in a race that means nothing to me to date, for any reason whatsoever.

Shutup and DEFEND yerself; Gentile!!

--MormonDude(Why are you such a HATER?)

4,307 posted on 08/16/2012 12:19:12 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39
You are, or have been a student of Robert L. Millett.

I feel like I have a sense of responsibility to be as, as gentle and kind and, in my case, Christian as possible. It's, to me, if you're, if you want to talk about Christianity or what it stands for, you have to look carefully at what it produces in people. My religion, for me, not only sets forth my theology, but it sets forth my practical, daily living in terms of how I treat other people and how I come to love them. And whether they feel the same way about ultimate and eternal things that I do or not.
 
 
 
http://being.publicradio.org/programs/insidemormonfaith/transcript.shtml

4,308 posted on 08/16/2012 12:20:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fabian

You think that he suddenly reversed himself on almost every political position of his life, and that the almost stroke like transformation happened at almost age 60, instantly, and just as he was announcing for the presidency?

Nothing requires people to be so self delusional, and mindlessly cult like.


4,309 posted on 08/16/2012 12:20:55 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: Elsie

Oh yay, more anti-Mormon tripe that I give zero care about.

For the 400th time, ANOTHER RELIGION’S VIEWS MEAN DOODLELYSQUAT TO ME!

Man, if people paid attention to G-d’s true word instead of constantly trying to rewrite it, there would be a lot less strife in the world.


4,310 posted on 08/16/2012 12:21:59 PM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative)
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To: Williams
I mean really, I’m on Free Republic for 14 years and it’s got to the point where people are OFFENDED by the statement that my main issue is defeating Barack Hussein Obama, leftist socialist democrat and marxist.

I'm on Free Republic for 11 years and I'll make a deal with you. I won't be offended by that if you won't be offended by my saying I want to replace Obama with a conservative.

Romney's religion is not an issue with me. Romney's liberalism/progressivism, on the other hand, is.

4,311 posted on 08/16/2012 12:22:17 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Conservatism is not a matter of convenience.)
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To: Williams; greyfoxx39
Let’s be real, FR has taken on an anti Mormonism trend and there is no flood of Mormons pushing their faith here. Not saying there are not a few.

Well then you are not aquainted of history here williams in spite of when you signed up. Over 5 years ago, mormon posters were all over the religion forum and about 5 years ago Christians began to counter their messages. The mormons even announced a campaign to 'hose the pigs' (refering to the Christians) to silence us. It failed. They then went to abusing the Caucus and Ecumenical tags to continue their attacks on Christianity. It reached such a point of abuse that JR abolished it for them.

The anti-mormonism bleat is commonly used by those who don't bother to really read the articles posted. If they did, they would see that those posts commonly cite mormon sources themselves. Essentially, mormon sources are the anti-mormonism.

4,312 posted on 08/16/2012 12:22:44 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Williams
As for Mormonism, I’m older than I wish and based on my whole life experience I cannot imagine worrying about Mormons.

It ain't about MORMONism.

It's about FALSE TEACHINGS...

'Worry' about that!


 
Acts 17:18-19
 18.  A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to dispute with him. Some of them asked, "What is this babbler trying to say?" Others remarked, "He seems to be advocating foreign gods." They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection.
 19.  Then they took him and brought him to a meeting of the Areopagus, where they said to him, "May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting?
 
Acts 18:11
    So Paul stayed for a year and a half, teaching them the word of God.
 
 
 
 
 
Romans 15:4
 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
 
 
Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.
 
 
1 Corinthians 4:17
   For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.
 
 
1 Corinthians 11:2
 2.  I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,  just as I passed them on to you.
 
 
Ephesians 4:14-15
 14.  Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
 15.  Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 2:15
   So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings  we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 3:6
  In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching  you received from us.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:3-4
 3.  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
 4.  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:7
  They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
 
 
1 Timothy 2:7
   And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:1-2
 1.  The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
 2.  Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:6
   If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:11
  Command and teach these things.
 
 
1 Timothy 6:3-5
 3.  If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
 4.  he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 
 5.  and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
 
 
2 Timothy 1:13
  What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.
 
 
 2 Timothy 2:15-17
 15.  Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
 16.  Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
 17.  Their teaching will spread like gangrene.
 
 
2 Timothy 3:16-17
 16.  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
 17.  so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 
 
 2 Timothy 4:3-4
  3.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
  4.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
 
 
Titus 1:11
   They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
 
 
Titus 2:1
  You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.
 
 
Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
 
 
 Hebrews 13:9
 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.
 
 
 2 Peter 2:1-3
 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 
 
2 John 1:10
  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.



4,313 posted on 08/16/2012 12:24:33 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Not interested ... I have no intention of engaging in a BS slinging contest with a deranged dairy cow.

For a time, I was amused by the sight of the heretics ranting against the apostates.

Then it became repetitive and boring ...

Now?

There are numerous legitimate reasons to oppose the socialist, abortionist, homosexualist gun-grabber. Your incessant drivel distracts from them.

Run along, now.

I shan't respond any further to your uninvited and undesired advances.

4,314 posted on 08/16/2012 12:25:04 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: sf4dubya

Oh, honey. What a sad and angry little woman you are.
I do not have an anti-Mormon bone in my body, that is your projecting on to me something you are feeling, apparently.
Tell me about your candidate, trumpet them, so I can learn who they are, rather than getting your panties in a twist because I said I don’t know who they are.
It would seem to be a better way to approach the subject of conservative senators.
I am really sorry that you are confusing exposure of Mormonism with your projection of anti-Mormon.
Are you sure your anti-Christian attitude isn’t the real issue.


4,315 posted on 08/16/2012 12:26:33 PM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: sf4dubya
The 7 are for non-Jews. As for the 613, I already explained.

If I were a Jew; I'd opt out!

So; which do YOU have to follow: the 7 or the 613?

4,316 posted on 08/16/2012 12:26:33 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

I agree with you 100% It is my opinion Romney will govern as a conservative with some bouts of moderate. That’s my best hope and Romney is getting my vote. For lots of reasons like Supreme Court, US Attorneys. Obamacare, national defense.

Maybe you believe Romney will be liberal on all these, I don’t. Obama must go.


4,317 posted on 08/16/2012 12:26:33 PM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: sf4dubya

The 7 are for non-Jews.

the list of seven Noahide laws
_______________________________________

Maybe you could list them so that non-Jews can look down them...


4,318 posted on 08/16/2012 12:27:38 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: sf4dubya; Tennessee Nana

Are you referring to the following from the New York Times?

“After supporting embryonic stem cell research generally, Mr. Romney took a more specific stand against creating embryos for scientific experimentation. And when the State Legislature sent him a bill to expand access to emergency contraception, he vetoed it. He said a medical professional had advised him that the drug, known as the morning-after pill, would “terminate life after conception.”

As the N.Y.T. further explains, this was July 2005. Arguably the very moment he decided he wanted to run for the presidency. Read the whole article. It thoroughly defines Romney’s various positions on abortion and when he changed for political expediency.

N.Y.T. - “For Mr. Romney, that appears to have been a pivotal moment. He recently told the editorial board of The Des Moines Register that he realized then that he could not “just leave things the way they were,” as he had hoped. In July 2005, the day after his veto on the emergency contraception bill, he described himself in the Boston Globe opinion article as a “pro-life governor in a pro-choice state.”

Your link reposted to see what a despicable person Mitt Romney really is:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/us/politics/romneys-path-to-pro-life-position-on-abortion.html?pagewanted=all

Remember, you posted the N.Y.T. link first. Did you think I wouldn’t read the whole thing?


4,319 posted on 08/16/2012 12:29:04 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (If you fear Obama, you'll vote for Romney. If you fear God, you won't.)
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To: sf4dubya
For the 400th time, ANOTHER RELIGION’S VIEWS MEAN DOODLELYSQUAT TO ME!

And yet you want to know MY 'opinion' about Noahide law.

Interesting...

4,320 posted on 08/16/2012 12:29:32 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Williams

I understand the issues and appreciate your intellectual honesty in so stating. I don’t happen to share your optimism regarding Romney. I see little reason to be optimistic about three of the four items you mentioned given his demonstrated record.

But yes, Obama must go. Thanks for the straight shooting.


4,321 posted on 08/16/2012 12:29:40 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Conservatism is not a matter of convenience.)
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To: Williams

You also said this. “And that as a Roman Catholic I have more issue with the Protestant Reformation than with Mormonism.” while responding about Mormons converting Christians.

You know very well that Catholics convert to Mormonism, it is a staple of Mormon conversion.

You seem to prefer Mormonism to your fellow Christians, if a Catholic leaves the Catholic denomination.


4,322 posted on 08/16/2012 12:30:39 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: Godzilla
Essentially, mormon sources are the anti-mormonism.







Where can we find an 'OFFICIAL MORMON' teaching website??
Official sites are sites supported by LDS officials unless said official sites are considered unofficial by said officials.
 
At that point such sites are unofficial unless officially referenced for official purposes by officials who can do so officially.
 
This should not be misconstrued as an indication that official sites can be unofficially recognized as official nor should it be implied that unofficial sites cannot contain official information, but are not officially allowed to be offical despite their official contents due the their unofficialness.
 
Official sites will be official and recognized as official by officials of the LDS unless there is an official reason to mark them as unofficial either temporally or permanently, which would make the official content officially unofficial.
 
This is also not to imply that recognized sites, often used on FR by haters and bigots cannot contain official information, it just means that content, despite its official status, is no longer official and should be consider unofficial despite the same information being official on an official site elsewhere.
 
Even then the officialness my be amended due to the use of the unofficial information which may determine the officialness of anything be it official or unofficial depending on how and where it is used officially or unofficially.
I hope this clear things up for the lurkers out there.
The haters tend to make things complicated and confusing when it is all really quite crystal clear.
--Ejonesie22

4,323 posted on 08/16/2012 12:31:37 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
But what do you think of the THINGS that I post?

Can you point out the error in ANY of it?

That does drive the Mittbots bonkers, so they attack the messenger instead of the message.

4,324 posted on 08/16/2012 12:33:16 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (If you fear Obama, you'll vote for Romney. If you fear God, you won't.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
I shan't respond any further to your uninvited and undesired advances.

Declare victory and leave the battle field.

Be quick about it or I shall taunt you again!

4,325 posted on 08/16/2012 12:33:16 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ansel12

O bs...that is not how it happen. Right now you are unwittingly serving the purposes of the left. Sorry but you are.


4,326 posted on 08/16/2012 12:33:33 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: Tennessee Nana

TADA!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noahide_laws


4,327 posted on 08/16/2012 12:34:24 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Williams
“And that as a Roman Catholic I have more issue with the Protestant Reformation than with Mormonism.”

What is your take on the COUNTER-Reformation?

4,328 posted on 08/16/2012 12:35:54 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ansel12

and then theres that thing he said about no longer supporting the illegal aliens...

“I cant. Im running for president”


4,329 posted on 08/16/2012 12:36:44 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: ansel12

Actually, it was only up for a few days to remind some other long time FREEPERS when zotting bigotry was an applauded sport around here.

There was nothing so satisfying than outting one of them, and they would always stupidly do it but some of them are still lurking around, waiting to associate this site with bigotry.

Since this thread was in Breaking. When it got taken to the depths is when I took it down.


4,330 posted on 08/16/2012 12:37:41 PM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative)
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To: Elsie

Elsie I have a lot of things to worry about, reading a post that long is not one of them. I’m well aware that Mormonism does not conform to my religious beliefs, and not being a Mormon I am free to tell you that I’m very sure Mormonism is built on pure hogwash.

Nonetheless, Mormonism is a threat to very little and it is not my mission to take on everyone who has strayed from the correct religious path. I know that many here don’t like to hear it, but when I do start to worry about heresy I will reflect first on the actions of Martin Luther.

Everyone is someone else’s heretic. Catholics and Protestants tore up this world a lot longer and with a lot more passion than Mormons.

Now tell me that you consider Catholics to be following the true path. Let’s get specific Elsie, which religion or religions are not engaging in false teachings?

and don’t bs me with definitions rather than specific religions, you are all wound up about Mormons. Surely you do not consider Mormonism the only false teaching. Who on this list is not engaging in false teaching in your view?

Roman Catholics
Greek Orthodox Catholics
All Protestants
Baptists
Jews
Muslims
Budhists

I’ll leave it at that for now, let me know. I know you want to save souls.


4,331 posted on 08/16/2012 12:38:06 PM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: Williams

Why would you expect Romney to govern as a conservative, when his record shows that he is not. How would that happen?
When he was governor he did not appoint conservative judges, why would he be different as president?
On ObamaCare, he in essence wrote it. I understand he has said he would repeal and replace the bill but his advisers say he is not going to.
Unfortunately, I think there are many conservatives who are hoping that Romney will change who he has been for decades into something else, a conservative.


4,332 posted on 08/16/2012 12:39:07 PM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: sf4dubya
Reagan did not need rehabilitation on pro-life asd POTUS. He signed a permissive abortion bill as California governor, was shocked at the sheer volume of abortions that immediately resulted, and after about one year's experience with his mistake, he was personally, as governor, going door to door with petitions for an initiative to repeal the law. He was firmly and knowledgeably pro-life before challenging Gerald Ford in 1976 and ever thereafter.

Ayn Rand, in her Ayn Rand Letter to her strongest supporters, told them early in 1976 to reject Reagan in favor of Ford because Reagan was an enemy of abortion which, given her own "lifestyle" of endless serial adultery, seemed like an essential "right" of some sort.

Reagan annually addressed (by telephone hookup) Nellie Gray's Pro-life marches on each anniversariy of Roe vs. Wade during his presidency and even authored a book on the subject: Abortion and the Conscience of the Nation (1983) undoubtedly angering Nancy and the quislings like James Baker, Howard Baker, Michael Deaver, et al., who were always determined not to allow Reagan to be Reagan. He defied them on abortion and at Reykjavik among other occasions.

Romney has NEVER been a pro-lifer in his entire useless life. He is the living embodiment of what Reagan called "pale pastels" not needed in the GOP's banner. He is also a serial liar on most issues that count and bad on all of them.

I don't know where you get the notion that Romney has ever "signed legislation against pro-abortion." I don't suppose you have any facts to back up that editorial opinion.

Two years after (2006 vs. 2004) he CLAIMED to have become "pro-life" Romney did include Planned Barrenhood on the board of Romneycare permanently and made abortions, however complicated, available to all under Romneycare for a mere $50 co-pay. He has yet to publicly repent any provision of Romneycare much less its entrenchment of subsidized abortion on demand for all comers subsidized by each and every citizen of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts via insurance premiums. His successor, Governor Coupe DeVal, has gotten rid of the $50 co-pay.

With the sorry likes of McConnell and Cornyn as Senate GOP leaders and the even worse spineless moneygrubbers Boehner, Cantor and McCarthy running the House, try not to hallucinate that the monarchist GOP-E types will do ANYTHING to write useful legislation without permission from Romney and the Wall Street plutocrats. There would be no similarity whatsoever between a putative President Etch-a-Sketch and Dubya much less Ronaldus Maximus on the pro-life issue. Also, Dubya's mommy (Barbara Bush), and his paternal grandmother (Dorothy Walker Bush) are/were inveterate and unrepentant pro-aborts and so Dubya was overcoming his background to be a pro-lifer and did quite well. In fact Dorothy Walker Bush was for decades a member of the national board of directors of Planned Barrenhood. Romney, to the extent that one may view him through a prism as a Mormon, overcomes his background as well since Mormons are, unlike Mittler, generally reliable pro-lifers.

On what has Chief Justice John Roberts directly betrayed pro-lifers as to abortion??? Calling the "premiums" for Obozocare a "tax" is not such a betrayal although conservatives certainly expected better of him.

4,333 posted on 08/16/2012 12:40:51 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline/Tomas de Torquemada Gentleman's Society: Roast 'em!)
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To: Godzilla
they would see that those posts commonly cite mormon sources themselves. Essentially, mormon sources are the anti-mormonism.

Absolutely correct. The poor Mormons run into a brick wall by saying they believe the bible and Mormon sources and put those sources on an equal footing with the bible, only to be shown time after time that their sources contradict the bible. They'd probably fare better if they tried to stick with their Mormon sources, claiming they over ride the bible, except for the fact that no one, other than another Mormon might buy into that fallacy.

It's a false religion based on the lies of a con man who called himself a "prophet". Our Church bible study group is currently studying the Book of Jeremiah, now there's a Prophet!.

4,334 posted on 08/16/2012 12:43:45 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (If you fear Obama, you'll vote for Romney. If you fear God, you won't.)
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To: Elsie

Nothin’ there bout lyin’ I see.

No wonder Mormonism get a pass.


4,335 posted on 08/16/2012 12:44:44 PM PDT by colorcountry (The gospel will transform our politics, not vice versa (Romans 12:1,2))
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To: ansel12

Wow you are muddled.

I know perfectly well that Catholics are converting to Mormonism????

I prefer Catholics to become Mormons????

Maybe you live in Salt Lake city pal, but I don’t think I’ve ever met a Mormon in my life. Now having gone to 16 years of Catholic education, and lived among many millions of Catholics my whole life, you are going to tell me that I’ve seen Catholics convert to Mormonism?

I know you don’t get it chum, that many more Catholics convert to Protestantism than to Mormonism. By virtue of sheer numbers of both denominations. I don’t care about that and I don’t care about Mormons.

Sadly some of you live in an alternate universe where Mormons are a big issue.

In fact, so much so that you don’t seem to be worrying about radical Islam. But hey, call me kooky.


4,336 posted on 08/16/2012 12:45:14 PM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: sf4dubya; Jim Robinson

You claimed on your home page and still seem to be claiming, that freerepublic and this thread is full of Stormfront members.

Which freepers did you out as Stormfront people?

Which freepers are lurking as Stormfront people?


4,337 posted on 08/16/2012 12:51:20 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: ansel12; fabian
Also, Romney never had a ‘conversion’, after 40 years of being an eloquent, even emotional defender of abortion, as a deeply held conviction of himself and his family, Mitt says that in a discussion about stem cell research, he became pro-life, as bloodless and unconvincing that tale is...

Well, given three statements that either he -- or his wife, Ann, have made...it makes more "sense" that he's never changed...

In 2001, Romney was back in Utah to deal with the Olympics.

He didn't like to have to deal with the negative grumble from some pro-life Utah Mormons, so he wrote a letter to the editor of a Utah newspaper that Summer, declaring, "I do not consider myself pro-choice."

Now does that mean he was "pro-life" all along? No...He admitted as much on the 2007 campaign trail...
Jan 29, 2007...He told South Carolinans:
“Over the last multiple years, as you know, I have been effectively pro-choice."
And at the Iowa GOP straw poll debate in August, 2007, he said:
"I never said I was pro-choice, but my position was effectively pro-choice."

So, for seven months he admitted he was "effectively pro-choice."

But the weasel can't always come clean...his 8/12/07 interview with Chris Wallace of Fox: "I never called myself pro-choice. I never allowed myself to use the word pro-choice because I didn't FEEL I was pro-choice."

Yup. In Mormonism it's all about that "bosom" FEELING -- no matter how self-deluded you allow yourself to get.

Then he told Chris Wallace: "I would protect the law, I said, as it was, but I wasn't pro-choice, and so..."

Oh, so he would "protect" the pro-aborts as they bumped off the next generation, but that's not "pro-choice"...'cause he didn't "feel" pro-choice, even though he was "effectively pro-choice."

Comprende, all???

So...as he was "effectively pro-choice," Ann Romney then comes along and does a Parade Mag interview last Fall (2011). So does Ann settle Mitt's schizophrenic mind on who the pre-born are -- once and for all? Nope. Ann Romney muddles her way thru -- just the way Mitt has...:

Parade interviewer: "In the past you’ve said he’s changed positions only once, on abortion. Was that your doing?"

Ann Romney's response: "No, no, I never talked to Mitt about that. Our personal opinions have never changed; we’ve always been pro-life."

Why, Fabian, how dare you call Ann Romney a liar. Ann Romney says the Romneys have "always been pro-life" and that "Our personal opinions [on abortion] have NEVER changed..."

Comprende, Fabian???

4,338 posted on 08/16/2012 12:51:34 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Elsie; sf4dubya

The seven laws listed by the Tosefta and the Talmud are[7]

1.Prohibition of Idolatry
2.Prohibition of Murder
3.Prohibition of Theft
4.Prohibition of Sexual immorality
5.Prohibition of Blasphemy
6.Prohibition of eating flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive
7.Establishment of courts of law
___________________________________________

Well Christians dont go in for these...

But Mormons sure do break the 1st 5...

They worship Joey Smith as an idol and “sustain” what he taught..murder, theft, sexual immorality, blasphemy

That last one was corrupted by both Joey Smith and Brighan Young..


4,339 posted on 08/16/2012 12:51:52 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: BlackElk

Thanks for the history lesson I already knew.

Romney vetoed pro abortion legislation. Signed against it every time. Not like a Mass legislature would put a pro life bill in front of him.

But you also stated my case: if you have someone switching from pro choice to pro life, you should encourage more of that. You should embrace them for seeing the light.

I stated in many of my posts what is going on: actions not words. Words mean squat. he picked a vehemently pro life VP. That is action.

You sound like you are already defeated. Don’t worry, the rest of us will carry the weight for you.


4,340 posted on 08/16/2012 12:54:23 PM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative)
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To: BlackElk

Excellent overview.


4,341 posted on 08/16/2012 12:57:09 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: Williams; Ansel; Graybeard58
my main issue is defeating Barack Hussein Obama, leftist socialist democrat and marxist.
But my main issue should be Mormonism. Gotcha.

You came on this thread at post 4213 defending mormonism, so NOW you complain because you have been answered in kind??

And you claim your "main issue" is not mormonism while slapping aside information about the mormon theocracy in Utah?

Gotcha!

4,342 posted on 08/16/2012 12:57:11 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Tell the 52,000 mormon missionaries to stop going worldwide proclaiming Christianity to be false.)
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To: Elsie

What I can of the 613. Some are not possible without third temple.

Still avoiding the Noahide question I see. Which of the seven are troubling you so much?


4,343 posted on 08/16/2012 12:58:12 PM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative)
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To: Elsie

Elsie, excuse me you clearly have said that we should be worried about false teaching. You definitely have said Mormons are engaging in false teaching.

Let’s not beat around the bush please. Which specific religion is NOT engaging in false teaching? And I asked you about these, surely the list doesn’t contain any you are not familiar with. Which are engaged in false teaching? Please answer:

Roman Catholics
Greek Orthodox Catholics
All Protestants
Baptists
Jews
Muslims
Budhists


4,344 posted on 08/16/2012 12:59:43 PM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: fabian; ansel12
I believe he is sincere and you do not and need to exaggerate a bit and go back years to back up your judgement

Fabian, take a look @ post 4338...then tell me which of those 4 statements -- three made by Romney in '07 (January, and two in August) + 1 statement made by Ann Romney in Nov 2011...are sincere...

What's truly sad is that you HAVE to play mental gymnastics with those statements just to go on defending Mitt as "pro-life."

4,345 posted on 08/16/2012 12:59:45 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Elsie
So; which do YOU have to follow: the 7 or the 613?

Is the law written in Deuteronomy Chapter 22 verse 8 one of the 613? Because I'm thinking about building a new house.

4,346 posted on 08/16/2012 1:00:54 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (If you fear Obama, you'll vote for Romney. If you fear God, you won't.)
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To: Williams

According to the Mormon church, since 1980, they have converted many millions to Mormonism in the Catholic countries of Latin America.

I did not realize that you had lived the life you described, I’m used to city life, in various states, I also assumed that you would be widely read, and know something about Mormonism, or Latin America.

I still find it hard to believe that you didn’t know that any Catholics have succumbed to Mormon missionaries knocking on their doors all over the United States, and in Catholic countries.

You must have known that Romney was hiding out from the draft trying to convert, French Catholics for just one example.

I don’t believe you when you deny this. “”You know very well that Catholics convert to Mormonism, it is a staple of Mormon conversion.”””


4,347 posted on 08/16/2012 1:02:24 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: roylene
Are you sure your anti-Christian attitude isn’t the real issue.

SNAP

4,348 posted on 08/16/2012 1:03:51 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Tell the 52,000 mormon missionaries to stop going worldwide proclaiming Christianity to be false.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Dude, I was on this thread a long time before the 4000’s. And my issue isn’t Mormonism, and I din’t defend Mormonism. It’s a non issue.

But I’m going to be very interested in Elsie’s answer as to which religions are NOT engaging in false teaching. I’m sure she will be very specific.

Perhaps you’d like to tell me if Catholics and Jews are on your list of false teaching? While I await Elsie’s answer.

Because I will be very facinated if she does answer.


4,349 posted on 08/16/2012 1:04:28 PM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: sf4dubya
Since this thread was in Breaking. When it got taken to the depths is when I took it down.

Man, that's raw power!

(Please don't zot me)

4,350 posted on 08/16/2012 1:05:33 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (If you fear Obama, you'll vote for Romney. If you fear God, you won't.)
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