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Ryan is a good man, but does not redeem the abortionist/homosexualist statist Romney
Aug 11, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 08/11/2012 4:42:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: Jim Robinson

Ryan is a great pick but he could pick my Aunt Tilly and still get my vote against Obama.


101 posted on 08/11/2012 5:26:57 PM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: centurion316

All of “U.S. conservatism” is a loser, no matter what one decides to do with the ‘12 POTUS race, and that’s the ongoing problem!


102 posted on 08/11/2012 5:27:24 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (The world continues to be stuck in a "all leftist, all of the time" funk. BUNK THE FUNK!)
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To: RaisingCain

“Sorry, but I will not reward Liars with my vote.”

All well and good. However with the Obama/Biden ticket winning the country becomes Greece. So you have to decide which is more important to you. Saving your country or your hatred of Mitt.


103 posted on 08/11/2012 5:28:00 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: surroundedbyblue

Ping.


104 posted on 08/11/2012 5:28:00 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM (Sin Makes You Stupid.)
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To: RepoGirl

I agree with you 100%. I’m over this crap.


105 posted on 08/11/2012 5:28:37 PM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: Gay State Conservative

“I’M STILL VOTING FOR ROMNEY!!!”

Likewise. No one could despise Mormons or Romney any more than I despise the arrogant Communist in the White House. THAT’S my motivation, not affinity for Romney or anyone else in the GOP.


106 posted on 08/11/2012 5:28:42 PM PDT by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: Jim Robinson; xzins; SoConPubbie; finney; little jeremiah; All

God Bless you Jim Robinson. I don’t say that lightly because I know HE will.

I am SO THANKFUL for this post of yours. I was beginning to lose heart in my fight against Obama and Romney on FR. As I keep telling the ABO crowd, they aren’t going to like a Romney administration and will have serious buyer’s remorse if they get one. Of course, will ALL know that having Obama to continue as POTUS will be a horrific thing.

I’m sorry to see Ryan agree to go along with being a second banana to Romney. I think it hurts his credibility as a conservative champion of fiscal conservatism. I think it was a very clever ploy on Romney’s part to “flip” him to the dark side. However, I will not engage in rhetoric against Ryan. Him being the VP will NOT moderate Romney’s leftest ways. It just lulls more “full conservatives” (being Social, national defense, and fiscal) into drinking the cyanide laced Romney Koolaid....stirred to a deadly concentration by the GOP establishment that produced him.

Romney, however, continues to be fair game and I will continue to attack his liberal record on abortion, homosexuality, big government statism....and his Mormon cultic ties. All these past stances (and his religious beliefs) define what kind of POTUS he would be....and it isn’t much of an improvement over Obama. Certainly not enough to back him - he just isn’t a tolerable option for a real conservative.

I will be voting third party for the office of POTUS this November.

Again, “may the Lord Bless and keep you, and make His face to shine upon you.”


107 posted on 08/11/2012 5:29:05 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Jim Robinson

Obama can not be given four more years to destroy the fabric of traditional America. That is my position and I will vote accordingly.


108 posted on 08/11/2012 5:29:23 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: Carlucci

Roger that!!!!!


109 posted on 08/11/2012 5:29:35 PM PDT by funfan
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To: Third Person
I’ve been called repeatedly an Obama lover and a troll for stating my opposition to Romney.

Of course you are not an Obama lover, don't let anyone say that without a strong challenge. But, if you vote for Obama because of your disdain for Romney, then it doesn't matter. The same holds true if you fail to vote or if you vote for some third party nobody. You get very few very important choices in this life. This election is one. Don't screw it up.

110 posted on 08/11/2012 5:29:44 PM PDT by centurion316 ( I)
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To: Jim Robinson
After some of obama's commercials saying how Romney would end "a woman's right to choose" I had to admit I didn't really know what was true one way or another about Romney's stance.

I stumbled upon a site that clarifies his record and makes this claim:

If you fear Obama, you'll vote for Romney. If you fear God, you won't.

111 posted on 08/11/2012 5:29:54 PM PDT by GBA
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To: woofie
When Dick Cheney became a Rino

When exactly was that?

112 posted on 08/11/2012 5:30:35 PM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo, being wily, pities the fool.)
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To: Jim Robinson; cripplecreek

I’ve been done over trying to state what you have said.

Seems to me that the GOP is saying to the south and the base
Shut up you have no where to go, we don’t give a damn about your social policies or views and after all where you going to go anyway.

The GOP to me is also saying we care about the pockets and to hell with social issues, who cares if we have cross dressers in the military , having homo parties on the base, who cares about people killing babies etc

Hannity and other others have no balls to mention conservative social issues and the elitist GOP for damn sure couldn’t careless as they don’t want to upset their liberal and fecal sex pals.


113 posted on 08/11/2012 5:30:57 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Jim Robinson
Romney thinks it's okay for two homosexual men or women to be able to adopt and raise children. He truly is a sick bastard. And his faith mocks God and Jesus Christ.

Obama, on the other hand, is flat out evil and will pay a heavy price one day for pretending to be a Christian.

It really seems that God has given this country a very perplexing final exam question.

114 posted on 08/11/2012 5:31:20 PM PDT by bramps
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To: Jim Robinson

“Well, if being in opposition to false prophets and false prophecy makes a Christian believer a bigot, then I guess I’m a bigot.”

I agree fully. If someone comes on here spewing Scientology/Jehovah’s Witness/Mormon cult garbage, then I guess that makes me a “bigot” for not believing their lies. Ok.


115 posted on 08/11/2012 5:31:36 PM PDT by richmwill
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To: Parley Baer

“All well and good. However with the Obama/Biden ticket winning the country becomes Greece. So you have to decide which is more important to you. Saving your country or your hatred of Mitt.”


If that was really the choices, I would pick the country. Unfortunately, the evidence is that Mittens will kill the conservative movement. It used to be the Democrats were the enemy within the gate who we had to expose. Nowdays they don’t even hide it. The new Enemy within the gate is the GOPe with progressives like Romney, who gimmick their way into power and do the same thing the Dems used to do just a few years ago.

Sorry, I’m not playing that futile game. You can, though.


116 posted on 08/11/2012 5:31:48 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: what's up

Correct. And we set up Ryan for the presidency in 4 or 8 years (likely 8). And that’s bad? People on this forum would not vote for Romney and foreclose on that possibility...stunning shortsightedness. Baby steps folks....it’s all we got. Hold your nose and go to the polls and cast your vote AGAINST Obama if that’s how you need to look at it.


117 posted on 08/11/2012 5:32:02 PM PDT by TrueFact
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To: Jim Robinson

This is hard for so many of us who are long, medium and short-term freepers. I know we go through this every once in awhile here with various issues and/or candidates and it’s understandable when we have heart-felt beliefs, values and principles- and sometimes they differ- strongly.

I wish we were all on the same side here- but we’re not. It’s kind of tough because I make use of your website every day- have for years and yet I know somehow I’m not welcome because I don’t believe what you do about this presidential candidate and you’ve made it clear what you think and by default I guess, what you think of those of us who disagree.

While he is far from a perfect man, I believe Paul Ryan has character and principles. And so, I don’t believe he would associate himself with a man (much less agree to be his partner and put himself and his family through what will be a grueling ordeal of campaigning) who is as horrible as many freepers think Romney and Mormans are.

I know I won’t be able to persuade anyone to change their mind about this- and my mind is equally made up as well.

I know very little about Mormanism, but I do happen to know a few Mormans casually. They’re hardworking, fair and just plain nice folks. What goes on in the inner reaches of Salt Lake City is none of my damn business- it’s not my church.

I’m sorry you aren’t able to celebrate with us today Jim- or at least with some of us.

I love FR and yet again I’m getting the feeling that maybe I don’t fit.


118 posted on 08/11/2012 5:33:13 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Parley Baer
I'm not voting for Romney, I am voting against Eric Holder. I just don't think we can survive four more years of that jackass doing whatever he wishes with absolutely no legal consequences.

Of course Obama will go on flouting the law, it will probably get even worse in a second term - why wouldn't he? No one is ever going to hold him accountable - there is not a single "conservative" in Washington that has the stones to impeach the worlds first annointed minority president.
119 posted on 08/11/2012 5:33:24 PM PDT by GunningForTheBuddha (DC is like a car full of clowns off their meds.)
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To: Jim Robinson; cripplecreek

I’ve been done over trying to state what you have said.

Seems to me that the GOP is saying to the south and the base
Shut up you have no where to go, we don’t give a damn about your social policies or views and after all where you going to go anyway.

The GOP to me is also saying we care about the pockets and to hell with social issues, who cares if we have cross dressers in the military , having homo parties on the base, who cares about people killing babies etc

Hannity and other others have no balls to mention conservative social issues and the elitist GOP for damn sure couldn’t careless as they don’t want to upset their liberal and fecal sex pals.


120 posted on 08/11/2012 5:33:45 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

It’s not just this website that considers it false doctrine.


121 posted on 08/11/2012 5:34:14 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: manc
Seems to me that the GOP is saying to the south and the base

Shut up you have no where to go, we don’t give a damn about your social policies or views and after all where you going to go anyway.

BINGO!!!


122 posted on 08/11/2012 5:34:26 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: RepoGirl; Jim Robinson
Matthew 5:11
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
123 posted on 08/11/2012 5:34:41 PM PDT by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: Parley Baer
"The only other choice is taking our country down the path to Greece. If the Obama/Biden ticket wins I see $20 Trillion or more in the national debt"

Stopping Obama is paramount.

The alternative means that the American experiment is over.

A second O administration will be even worse since he will be unconstrained.

Romney now leads a coalition to stop Obama that includes conservatives. It is the best hope of advancing the our agenda among the two options.

Romney has a strange religion, but Obama's "faith" is much worse.


124 posted on 08/11/2012 5:35:22 PM PDT by garjog
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To: RIghtwardHo

wish some on here would understand that.

Some are saying he will beat Biden in a debate, well so did Sarah.

I have to ask does Ryan bring FL into play , how about VA?

Will hispanics now vote more for us, how about single women, will CO , NM, ?

Hell will he even give us WI not that we need that to win so long as we get CO,FL,NM,VA,IN, NC

so far no one has answered that except maybe one person last night who said to me who gives a crap about FL, SIGH.


125 posted on 08/11/2012 5:36:06 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Jim Robinson

Obama is destroying our couuntry so I must respectfully and passionately disagree..
I do not believe in the Mormon beliefs either ..but

I’ll be voting for Romney and Ryan


126 posted on 08/11/2012 5:36:40 PM PDT by MEG33 (O Lord, Guide Our Nation)
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To: SE Mom

Very well said. Agreeing to serve with Mitt is also a sign to me that Paul Ryan puts the survival of this great nation above all else. I’m very grateful that he does.


127 posted on 08/11/2012 5:36:44 PM PDT by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Third Person

Same here. I gave up reading replies to my posts long ago. I’m trying to take a stand for Conservatism and am STILL trying to figure out how that makes me an “Obama lover”.


128 posted on 08/11/2012 5:36:49 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Jim Robinson

“Lastly, we’re having a bit of changeover on our moderator staff. At least two moderators resigned this afternoon after I flatly refused to rein in a so-called anti-Mormon “bigot” on FR.”

Please pull my account.


129 posted on 08/11/2012 5:37:00 PM PDT by maggief
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To: Sola Veritas

I will be voting third party for the office of POTUS this November.

Save yourself the trip dont even go,same result


130 posted on 08/11/2012 5:37:10 PM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

“To all the huffily indignant and red-faced Mittbot concern trolls and online shills, regularly hopping up and down and screeching like hyper-amphetamined howler monkeys over the unimaginable prospect of committed movement conservatives actually daring NOT to pledge undying fealty to and worship of their anointed CINO du jour....”

ROTFL. In the lingo of the young (which I am not)...Dude you rock!

I am SO relieved that JR posted this. I was ready to stop posting against Romney on FR because I thought JR didn’t approve. I don’t want to be a pest in another man’s home. JR just fired a clear shot to be heard around the “free” world. I just hope Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter are reading it!


131 posted on 08/11/2012 5:37:20 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore

Unfortunately, I don’t trust Willard to do the right thing. I can understand how a voter’s principles does not allow them to vote for Willard. I was one of them until Roberts stepped in to snatch victory from certain defeat of Socialist SoetoroCare. Abortion will be supported by the Roberts court. Any legislation outlawing abortion will be struck down by the SC. I cannot change the game. I can only adapt to it. The Roberts Court must be diffused. Romney is the only one who could change it. Odds are not great, but another choice is certain death for unborn. I’ll take the long odds.


132 posted on 08/11/2012 5:37:26 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: Jim Robinson

Unfortunately this election is no longer even about any of the legitimate issues you bring up. It is about the very survival of our system of government. Obama has proven to be the most lawless president in our history. Even if we elect a Republican Senate, it won’t matter. He simply does whatever he wants and subverts the normal checks and balances written into the constitution.

He says “We can’t wait for Congress”. What he really means is “I won’t wait for Congress. I am going to do whatever the hell I want”. The Republicans in Congress were duly elected to represent their constituents - Obama cares not that he is effectively disenfranchising them by unilaterally enacting 1) stringent EPA environmental standards; 2) Dream act 3) Recess appointments; 4) Rolling back welfare work requirements - the list goes on.

Obama may only be marginally to the left of Romney on social issues. I think he is significantly to the left on economic and foreign policy issues. But there is no doubt he has NO respect for our system of government and his continued presence could have dramatically dire effects over the next four years.


133 posted on 08/11/2012 5:37:48 PM PDT by PAR
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To: Jim Robinson

I certainly believe that Mormonism is false but I do not see it as a threat to American democracy. That is in sharp contrast to the strongly anti-Christian, anti-Jewish policies of Obama.

If Obama gets another term to open the borders and flood the US with new Democrats, the US Constitution might be done for good. We can survive Romney/Ryan and a Republican Congress.


134 posted on 08/11/2012 5:38:16 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: RaisingCain

“Sorry, I’m not playing that futile game. You can, though.”

No problem. I just prefer Mitt over 4 more years of the likes of Eric Holder.


135 posted on 08/11/2012 5:38:27 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: garjog

Nice bumper sticker!


136 posted on 08/11/2012 5:38:27 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: RaisingCain

damn straight.

Libertarians have been coming into our party, liberals coming in and even on talk radio we have many cowards who cannot and will not mention social issues yet the left goes after social issues all the time.

Hannity etc, the elitist GOP, I’ve had it with our side and their no balls, suck up to liberals and their pals and then they think the media might like them.


137 posted on 08/11/2012 5:38:51 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: RepoGirl

Bravo. You go girl.


138 posted on 08/11/2012 5:38:57 PM PDT by KingKongCobra
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To: Lady Lucky

You looking for a job at FR?


139 posted on 08/11/2012 5:39:05 PM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: johnthebaptistmoore
Hoefling and Goode? I was thinking of voting for Kirk and Spock or perhaps Lennon and McCartney. I can also talk about stuff completely irrelevant to the 2012 election.
140 posted on 08/11/2012 5:39:18 PM PDT by Judge Kovitzky (Eat more chicken.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Ryan is a good man

Anyone who thinks so is a RINO! No one alive today is conservative enough for me, and thus I can comfortably sit in condescending judgment of all candidates!

Signed,
The Most Conservative Man in the World

< /sarcasm >

141 posted on 08/11/2012 5:39:39 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: Just mythoughts

Obama must be psying some of the fringers


142 posted on 08/11/2012 5:39:39 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Jim Robinson; All

So,you gonna sit out the vote?


143 posted on 08/11/2012 5:39:46 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (R&R isn't just a railroad in Monopoly anymore!)
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To: Sola Veritas

“I was ready to stop posting against Romney on FR because I thought JR didn’t approve.”

You’re not serious are you?


144 posted on 08/11/2012 5:40:25 PM PDT by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Of course the USofA is not a theocracy.

But that is all fine, your vote for Ryan is a de facto vote for Romney, that works for me. Any other vote you might cast is a vote for Øbama, even no vote... of course you are in Kalifornia, so your vote (while counting) makes no difference.

I have lost my enthusiasm for Sarah... but she does say repeatedly... "anybody but Obama" and in the state we are in that overwhelms all other considerations.

145 posted on 08/11/2012 5:40:36 PM PDT by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: TrueFact
And we set up Ryan for the presidency in 4 or 8 years (likely 8). And that’s bad? People on this forum would not vote for Romney and foreclose on that possibility...stunning shortsightedness

True.

There are those who are willing to live with 4 MORE years of Holder preening on TV, Valerie Jarrett deciding what direction we should all go in and the horror of Obama issuing executive orders right and left. Meanwhile all of us sink more in poverty while the lazy, gay, and feminists get more and more power over us.

All because of their hatred of Romney.

Amazing.

146 posted on 08/11/2012 5:40:55 PM PDT by what's up
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To: RaisingCain

Thirty percent of the country all solid conservatives. Over half of the country are somewhat conservative. Yet we are led by someone who represents about 15 percent of the country, the leftwing lunatic fringe. How could that be? In part its because Conservatives have been incredibly stupid and naive when it comes to building a governing majority. Reagan understood, but we have no Reagan’s amongst us now.

Rather than crying in our beer about this sad state of affairs, we need to cling to whatever thread of political power that we can, fight a delaying action, regroup, and live to fight another day. If Obama wins, there will be no further fights, it will be over.


147 posted on 08/11/2012 5:41:57 PM PDT by centurion316 ( I)
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To: Jim Robinson; All

I was for Newt and absolutely still hate Romney. I vowed I would not vote for Romney, but Obama has forced my hand.
If we don’t vote Romney, we will have 4 more years of Holders brand of justice and Obamas executive orders, both of which cannot be overcome by a Republican majority in both houses.

Vote for the good of America. It’s like doing something outside your comfort zone to save a loved ones life.


148 posted on 08/11/2012 5:42:06 PM PDT by paintriot (I've seen too much.....)
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To: RepoGirl

you said you’re view but honestly what is witht he tagline, the name calling is more of a left wing trick.

Honestly it makes you look smaller and I’m sure you’re not.


149 posted on 08/11/2012 5:42:06 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: DarkWaters

by agreeing to be Romney’s VP, Ryan just showed his true RINO colors. No true conservative would have agreed to be Romney’s VP,


150 posted on 08/11/2012 5:42:16 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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