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Shocking Moment Cop floored woman with savage sucker punch during parade
DailyMail ^ | October 1, 2012 | Daily Mail Reporter

Posted on 10/01/2012 3:31:28 PM PDT by Altariel

This is the shocking moment a police sergeant punched a young woman in the face because he thought she sprayed silly string at him during a peaceful parade.

The video was recorded during yesterday's 50th anniversary Puerto Rican Day parade in Philadelphia - where around 1,500 people were in attendance.

The 36-second clip shows a number of people milling around enjoying the festivities in the 'City of Brotherly Love'.

From the left-hand side, someone can be seen throwing an unidentified liquid towards a group of police officers.

At the same time, a young woman is walking past - who also gets hit by the liquid.

As she turns around to see where it came from, a police officer in a white shirt - which means he has acquired the rank of sergeant - comes towards the woman and delivers a brutal punch to her face, knocking her to the ground.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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To: Uncle Chip

Awesome. 1 out of 3 ain’t bad. You still got 2 to go.

Except there seem to be multiple stories that conflict on this point.

The 39-year-old was then arrested and was issued a summary citation for disorderly conduct, on which police reported she had thrown beer at them.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2211717/Just-ladies-Philadelphia-police-officer-accused-punching-unarmed-woman-posed-topless-sexy-sergeant.html


301 posted on 10/03/2012 9:26:36 AM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz
Speaking at her Chester home yesterday, she said she was angry at the officer's actions and insists she had done nothing wrong and that she was merely a participant in the parade.

So then that wasn't silly string in her can that she was spraying on the police, right??? or is she still clueless???

302 posted on 10/03/2012 9:40:12 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Read it and weep...

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Philadelphia cop who punched woman on video to be fired

PHILADELPHIA - October 3, 2012 (WPVI) -- The Philadelphia Police Officer who was caught on video punching a woman will be fired.

Action News has learned that the officer, Lt. Jonathan Josey, will be fired on Thursday afternoon.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=8834445

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303 posted on 10/03/2012 2:42:58 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H
Philadelphia cop who punched woman on video to be fired

Since this almost never happens, I think we can safely assume that the cop actually did do something wrong.

So hopefully, the apologists can now revise their opinions on the apparent propriety of the actions of the officer in question.

Apparently, this cop's bosses have sided with the "cop-haters..."

I am frequently astounded at the willingness of many so-called patriots to excuse Tyrannical police behavior, all in the sacred, holy name of upholding law and order...

304 posted on 10/03/2012 3:00:06 PM PDT by sargon
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To: dmz; Nifster; fwdude; Altariel

Update. Local ABC affiliate says cop will be fired.


305 posted on 10/03/2012 3:03:56 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

After reading his background, I’m not surprised. This is obviously one who slipped through the checks before being hired. The “dating” website was way out of the mainstream for someone wanting to be a police officer. If the department didn’t know about this, shame on them. But, this is Philly.


306 posted on 10/03/2012 3:11:04 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Philadelphia cop who punched woman on video to be fired

"Action News has learned that the officer, Lt. Jonathan Josey, will be fired on Thursday afternoon."

"This comes as the Philadelphia District Attorney's Office said it intends to drop the charge against the woman who was struck."

"Earlier in the video, Guzman is seen spraying silly string in the air, but never striking any officer. Police contended that she threw beer at the officers."

"A few seconds later someone lobs a liquid from behind Guzman at the officers, prompting the violent reaction from Lt. Josey, a 19 year veteran and highly decorated officer. "


Okay...you can cease your bootlicking now...
307 posted on 10/03/2012 3:12:14 PM PDT by rottndog (Be Prepared.....for what's coming AFTER America.)
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To: fwdude
This is obviously one who slipped through the checks before being hired.

He was an affirmative action hire...these kinds of incidents are regularly brushed under the rug to protect them, and to keep minority employee numbers high. If not for the video, nothing would have happened to the pig...especially given that he was a LT on the force (how many better qualified other officers weren't promoted just so he could be because of his skin color???)
308 posted on 10/03/2012 3:18:52 PM PDT by rottndog (Be Prepared.....for what's coming AFTER America.)
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To: rottndog

What a shock.


309 posted on 10/03/2012 3:19:59 PM PDT by Tuanedge (Warriors victorious in a hundred battles, flee when a tiger enters their tent.)
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To: Ken H
Update. Local ABC affiliate says cop will be fired.

Good riddance to a bad piggie.

310 posted on 10/03/2012 3:25:10 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (Who's the bigger enemy of the American People? islam or the media?)
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To: fwdude

Really?

Tell that to Paul Revere, Samuel Adams, and the Sons of Liberty.

But I want to be there so I can watch you being tarred feathered.


311 posted on 10/03/2012 3:33:32 PM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: fwdude
After reading his background, I’m not surprised.

His background was well known and had NOTHING to do with his firing.

He will be lucky to escape criminal charges.

312 posted on 10/03/2012 3:57:31 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H
During his press conference Tuesday, Ramsey described the incident on the YouTube video as very troubling and, from what he saw in the video, the use of force applied was in excess of what was needed.

So then the use of force was needed but its application was excessive. No surprise in that statement.

313 posted on 10/03/2012 4:35:11 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: rottndog
"Earlier in the video, Guzman is seen spraying silly string in the air, but never striking any officer.

So she was spraying silly string at the officers as the video shows.

314 posted on 10/03/2012 4:37:40 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49279332

Maybe, just maybe, you had it right at the outset, and then, inexplicably, you took a wrong turn.

Apparently, even if the things you thought you saw in the video (that never showed up in the arrest warrant) were true, it didn’t matter.

It did not warrant his behavior, and he’ll not be a cop in Philly anymore. Maybe you can recommend him to be a cop where you live, as you’ve been quite the avid defender of his actions.


315 posted on 10/04/2012 8:06:27 AM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz
Maybe, just maybe, you had it right at the outset, and then, inexplicably, you took a wrong turn:

Maybe, but then you have the statement from Commissioner Ramsay:

"During his press conference Tuesday, Ramsey described the incident on the YouTube video as very troubling and, from what he saw in the video, the use of force applied was in excess of what was needed."

The use of force was needed but it's application was excessive.

Is that the way you saw it too???

316 posted on 10/04/2012 8:42:11 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: dmz
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2211717/Just-ladies-Philadelphia-police-officer-accused-punching-unarmed-woman-posed-topless-sexy-sergeant.html

Is that a nipple ring he's wearing in the top picture? Have you ever heard of a straight guy with a nipple ring?

That said, I suspect "'roid rage" as the cause of his attack.

317 posted on 10/04/2012 8:52:51 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: Uncle Chip
"the use of force applied was in excess of what was needed."
So then the use of force was needed but its application was excessive. No surprise in that statement.

They never specified what level was needed. Perhaps zero. In my opinion, the max level of force initially needed would be to grab her wrist and inform her that she was under arrest, which I DID NOT see happen on the video.

318 posted on 10/04/2012 8:57:40 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: PapaBear3625

The point is that the Commissioner in his statement did not say that she should not have been detained.


319 posted on 10/04/2012 9:12:33 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

The Police Dept’s internal lawyers would have slapped him if he volunteered any statement that she should not have been detained. The Philly PD is looking at a big enough lawsuit as it is.


320 posted on 10/04/2012 9:34:48 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: Uncle Chip

“During his press conference Tuesday, Ramsey described the incident on the YouTube video as very troubling and, from what he saw in the video, the use of force applied was in excess of what was needed.”

To which Uncle Chip writes: So then the use of force was needed but its application was excessive. No surprise in that statement.

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Hilarious. You simply cannot give up, can you? Even now? The cop is being fired.

Yes, the amount of force necessary was “Hey lady, stop.”, not a WWE style smackdown.


321 posted on 10/04/2012 10:11:26 AM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz
Yes, the amount of force necessary was “Hey lady, stop.”

Those are "words" not "force".

322 posted on 10/04/2012 10:18:43 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

The use of force was needed but it’s application was excessive.

Is that the way you saw it too???

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No, like you, I think he did not apply enough force and he should have shot her with his service revolver where she stood, er, I mean as she was attempting to flee.

That you are holding on to the quote “the use of force applied was in excess of what was needed” as some sort of justification for what Josey did amply demonstrates the weakness of your position. On a scale of force from 0-100, he used a 30 when all he needed was a 1. “Ma’am, stop, I need to talk to you.”

And since, in previous posts, you have mentioned how open minded you are, what more than a summary dismissal from the police force do you need to convince you that Josey was in the wrong?


323 posted on 10/04/2012 10:25:57 AM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz
he should have shot her with his service revolver where she stood, er, I mean as she was attempting to flee.

Exaggerate much???

That you are holding on to the quote “the use of force applied was in excess of what was needed” as some sort of justification for what Josey did amply demonstrates the weakness of your position.

If spraying silly string at police officers is a detainable offense in Philadelphia, then her detention was justifiable and the Commissioner said so in so many words.

What part of the Commissioner's words do you not understand???

324 posted on 10/04/2012 10:43:12 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: PapaBear3625
The Philly PD is looking at a big enough lawsuit as it is.

They are also going to have to deal with Josey's lawsuit regarding his dismissal and pension. So they have to travel a very narrow road.

325 posted on 10/04/2012 10:47:22 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Exaggerate much???

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LOL. So now I have to explain sarcasm to you? But I’m still working on trying to get you to understand the word ‘force’, and its non-physical applications in this context.

I think I’m on a fool’s errand in so doing.

May the force be with you.


326 posted on 10/04/2012 11:09:03 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Uncle Chip
If spraying silly string at police officers is a detainable offense in Philadelphia, then her detention was justifiable and the Commissioner said so in so many words.

Note "detain" is not the same as "punch in the face and knock to the ground". To detain is to prevent from leaving, preferably while causing the minimum needed level of damage to the detainee consistent with officer safety. The officer evidently failed to accomplish this last part, hence his firing.

327 posted on 10/04/2012 11:47:21 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: PapaBear3625

<> hence his firing.<>

Well about that firing:

“Before everyone starts applauding, what Ramsey has done is to ensure this officer will not only get his job back, but also get back pay for the time he is off. Ramsey did the same move with a group of officers when he first arrived and they were all reinstated. Ramsey knows this. What he is actually doing is ensuring this officer doesn’t lose his job for more than a year or so. The FOP is right on this. When a lawsuit is filed the City will lose. For short term good press Ramsey is throwing away the greater long term good. The officer can be successfully fired if the right procedures are followed.”
— Philly Senior Posted 5:50 AM, 10/04/2012

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20121004_Ramsey_firing_cop_who_punched_woman_at_parade.html


328 posted on 10/04/2012 12:29:56 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
The point is that the Commissioner in his statement did not say that she should not have been detained.


329 posted on 10/04/2012 12:45:04 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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To: PapaBear3625; All
More problems developing in the Philly Police Department.
330 posted on 10/04/2012 1:26:39 PM PDT by Tuanedge (Warriors victorious in a hundred battles, flee when a tiger enters their tent.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Bravo! I was torn between that pic and one of Alfred E. Neuman (What? Me worry?!)


331 posted on 10/04/2012 1:52:31 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr; Oztrich Boy; PapaBear3625; dmz; Ken H; Sirius Lee; rottndog; Little Ray; sargon; ...
Mayor Nutter Responds to Viral Video of Philadelphia Officer Hitting Woman
332 posted on 10/04/2012 4:47:35 PM PDT by Tuanedge (Warriors victorious in a hundred battles, flee when a tiger enters their tent.)
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To: Uncle Chip; dmz
Uncle Chip :"During his press conference Tuesday, Ramsey described the incident on the YouTube video as very troubling and, from what he saw in the video, the use of force applied was in excess of what was needed."

The use of force was needed but it's application was excessive.

Is that the way you saw it too???

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No, and you should know that because I already gave you the full quote in post#291 :

"If there was an arrest to be made, you use only the force necessary to affect that arrest. From what I saw that was in excess of what was needed," Ramsey said.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=8833059

333 posted on 10/04/2012 9:44:42 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H
"If there was an arrest to be made, you use only the force necessary to affect that arrest. From what I saw that was in excess of what was needed," Ramsey said.

Q: What does "that" refer to???

A: the force necessary to effect "that arrest".

Q: What is "that arrest"???

A: "an arrest to be made".

Ramsey didn't get to where he is without knowing how to parse his words.

334 posted on 10/05/2012 4:45:13 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Why are you still beating this dead horse when you are needed elsewhere? They're calling this police officer a murderer. Get over there and defend him!

Police Fatally Shoot an Unarmed Driver on the Grand Central Parkway (National Guardsman)

335 posted on 10/05/2012 10:55:53 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

Big difference between the two. But thanks anyway.


336 posted on 10/05/2012 11:50:31 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: fwdude

Cops are more trustworthy than the average person? Really? In what universe?


337 posted on 10/07/2012 8:14:07 AM PDT by GalaxyAB
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To: Altariel; fwdude

“And given that police have been caught and fined for lying in court, any judge or jury who automatically takes their testimony as true is foolish.”

Back in the mid 70’s I was called for jury duty...it was a 1st degree murder trial...each of us was called individually into the court room and quized by the attorneys and the judge.

I was asked, ‘Will you believe the testimony of a police officer because he is a police officer?’

My answer, ‘Absolutely not...I will weigh his testimony just like I will weigh the testimony of anyone else testifying in this trial.’

I was seated on the jury.


338 posted on 10/07/2012 8:36:09 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: GalaxyAB
Cops are more trustworthy than the average person? Really? In what universe?

Who gets to be a cop? (At least, by rules which used to exist.)

Are they people with bad financial records, crushing debt and loan defaults. People who've been arrested and show a disregard for laws? People who use recreational drugs (besides alcohol, but that's another subject.)? People who have a record of dishonesty in lying? In many departments still, people who engage in sexual perversion (homosexuals?)

When I hired on as a police officer years ago, any of these would disqualify you from being a cop.

Some people ARE more trustworthy than others; to say otherwise makes you a liberal.

339 posted on 10/07/2012 10:17:48 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

Of course some people are more trustworthy than others, but that was not the point or my post or yours. The point was are cops more trustworthy than the average person?


340 posted on 10/08/2012 6:05:30 AM PDT by GalaxyAB
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To: All

Police union plans party for cop fired after punching woman

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2944111/posts


341 posted on 10/12/2012 7:30:57 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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not a chance .He is black. No way he gets fired for this.It’s the quiet racism of low expectation W reffered to so often


342 posted on 10/16/2012 11:30:41 PM PDT by ping jockey (Candy Crowley IS A DUMBASS)
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To: ping jockey

Too late....the pig’s been fired already.


343 posted on 10/16/2012 11:32:56 PM PDT by rottndog (Be Prepared.....for what's coming AFTER America.)
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To: rottndog
pleased and surprised at the same time
344 posted on 10/16/2012 11:36:38 PM PDT by ping jockey (Candy Crowley IS A DUMBASS)
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