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Church sexual abuse may have been factor in Pope Benedict's resignation
Herald Sun, news.com.au ^ | February 12, 2013 | Jessica Evans

Posted on 02/11/2013 5:49:36 PM PST by Jyotishi

A Melbourne priest claims the extra strain placed on Pope Benedict from dealing with widespread sexual abuse within the Catholic Church may have been a factor in his resignation.

Father Max Vodola said the elderly Pope's shock exit from the role may be because he is too physically and emotionally weak to deal with the decades-old problem.

It comes as Archbishop Denis Hart leads Victorian tributes to the Pope, who he describes as gentle and loving.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.com.au ...


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To: nickcarraway

You said it was unprecedented. You were wrong and I demonstrated how you were wrong.


101 posted on 02/12/2013 2:16:07 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: BlackElk
Benedict XVI is apparently going to handle this by entering a cloistered monastery and cutting off direct contact with the outside world.

Where did you read/ see this. I have been scouring the news to see what his plans were and did not see anything about this.

Also will he still be entitled to a Papal burial?

102 posted on 02/12/2013 2:25:47 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: SamuraiScot
For the record, I believe abusers should be hanged, regardless of denomination.

Point of common ground.

104 posted on 02/12/2013 4:37:46 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Jyotishi

You wouldn’t know it by the media reports, but statistically sexual abuse was no more prevalent in the Catholic church than any other institution. Today it is less prevalent. It is true that priests didn’t know what to do about the accusations and were guilty of presuming innocent. The same thing occurs in most cases of sexual abuse. There were plenty of accusations and witnesses of abuse at Penn State for example. The media doesn’t seem to have a need to create a witch hunt for those people, and endlessly recycle the news stories with front page “news” 10 years later.

The media attacks, slanders, and defames the church the same way they do to other conservatives, and any one else who gets in the way of the culture of death. The fact that scandals are not made about abuses in other temples, churches, mosques, schools etc doesn’t mean abuses are less prevalent, they are simply less relevant in this battle. If the world knew how much He loves us, it would be a better place.


105 posted on 02/12/2013 5:11:02 AM PST by mgist
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To: Tzar

“Their” suffering?

The priests were raped by the children?


106 posted on 02/12/2013 5:17:28 AM PST by TSgt (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.)
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To: fr_freak

Deny and attack.

The Lance Armstrong defense.

Let me know when you can have a mature debate.


107 posted on 02/12/2013 5:18:31 AM PST by TSgt (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.)
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To: nickcarraway

Nick - he is resigning because he is 85 and in bad health and not out of any political pressure that I am aware of. Where are you getting that info? I think it’s good that he is leaving before he deteriorates further and is passing it to someone in better health. What’s wrong with that? I don’t understand your concern. Put other pope’s lives in danger? How? Just curious where you are coming from. Thanks.


108 posted on 02/12/2013 8:15:31 AM PST by plain talk
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To: GeronL

Honest question, did any of the priests serve time for their molestation?


109 posted on 02/12/2013 10:06:25 AM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: Jyotishi
The One True Church will prevail against ALL -this includes homosexual sex practitioners, those that covered up crimes AND even anti-Catholic bigot keyboard jockeys.

This message was brought to you by the letters F A I T H.

110 posted on 02/12/2013 10:53:29 AM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: plain talk

He is a Pope, not a Supreme Court justice, or some other secular job. That is what you don’t seem to understand. I’ll say it again: He is a pope, he doesn’t hold some secular job. They die in office they don’t resign. That has been a source of protection. But now the next Pope won’t have that protection. If he opposes gay marriage. The U.N., the media, etc. can hound him to resign. Now that they know that is a possibility, they will not let up.


111 posted on 02/12/2013 11:20:29 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: verga

You didn’t demonstrate that I was wrong at all. Your examples are completely off point and you know it.


112 posted on 02/12/2013 11:25:13 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: TSgt

Excerpt:

Pope Benedict resigns: sex abuse survivors hope move eases prosecution

Victims and their advocates – who hold pontiff responsible for covering up abuse – push forward with international legal cases

By Karen McVeigh in New York, Monday, February 11, 2013

Before he became the pope, Cardinal Ratzinger headed the organisation responsible for dealing with abuse cases. Photograph: Paul White/AP

Victims of the child sex abuse crisis that has engulfed the Catholic church during Pope Benedict’s tenure welcomed his unexpected resignation on Monday, amid speculation over what prompted his departure.

Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (Snap), an organisation of 12,000 members worldwide, claim Benedict is personally responsible for widespread abuse within the church because he chose to protect its reputation over the safety of children. US lawyers who are currently suing the pontiff and other high-ranking Holy See officials for systematically concealing sexual crimes around the world, said his resignation may lead to more international prosecutions.

David Clohessy, executive director of Snap, condemned the pope’s “terrible record” on child sex abuse and said he hoped he would “finally show some courageous leadership on the abuse crisis” in his remaining days.

Excerpt from:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/11/pope-resigns-sex-abuse-survivors


113 posted on 02/12/2013 11:42:08 AM PST by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: nickcarraway

Ok. You didn’t offer any logic other than your belief pope’s should die in office for some reason. I wanted to see where you are coming from and I do appreciate the response. You have nothing. :-).


114 posted on 02/12/2013 11:57:06 AM PST by plain talk
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To: TSgt
That's more than you can say about your serial pedophile friend Rev. Lawrence Murphy who molested over 200 deaf boys. You know, the guy Ratzinger ignored...

Father Murphy's Bishop was responsible for him, not Cardinal Ratzinger, or anyone in the Vatican. If his Bishop didn't turn him in the police, or discipline him in any way, that was his own fault. Neither Ratzinger, nor anyone in the Vatican, had any jurisdiction over the matter.

116 posted on 02/12/2013 3:50:22 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: plain talk; nickcarraway
Nicky is to dense to realize that Celestine V made it completely legal for a Pope to resign. He has his mind shut and you will not open it with a jackhammer
117 posted on 02/12/2013 5:21:37 PM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: BlackElk

Thank you.


118 posted on 02/12/2013 6:32:19 PM PST by narses
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To: TSgt

Nothing in your first histrionic post nor any of your subsequent posts suggests to me that you are interested in a mature discussion on this topic.


119 posted on 02/12/2013 6:59:42 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: verga

whatever. I was just curious as to why and really didn’t learn much. no biggie. sometimes i am just curious why people think a certain way without really caring to change their mind.


120 posted on 02/12/2013 8:01:39 PM PST by plain talk
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To: verga
National "Catholic" Reporter. Should be known as National Anti-Catholic Reporter. I read it as a form of penance for my sins every day and to keep an eye on the enemy within. If you go to their website, there is a graphic on the upper right corner of their homepage to the effect of "News about Pope Benedict XVI's resignation" or some such. It is in dark red with contrasting letters. Click on that graphic. you will then find yourself on a page of B-XVI news.

In the upper right hand corner of that page is an article by Joshua McElwee with a title to the effect: Benedict XVI to move to a monastery upon resignation." The headline, like much of NCR, is somewhat misleading. B-XVI is moving into a cloistered (public will have no access to him there) convent in the Vatican. He will stay at the papal summer residence at Castel Gandolfo until renovations at the convent are complete in anticipation of his residence there.

Sorry not to be able to provide links since I am a computer technological illiterate and it is hard to teach this old dog new tricks.

I would be flabbergasted if B-XVI were not accorded a full papal burial. Of course, even the Vatican officials will have to wait until he has assumed room temperature. I would imagine that his funeral mass would be said by the then reigning Pope rather than by the Dean of the College of Cardinals as occurs when a pope dies in office and, by Vatican Law no conclave would have been held to choose a successor (such conclaves are to begin between 15 and 30 days after a vacancy arises).

In the case of the conclave to choose B-XVI's successor, the conclave MUST convene between March 15 and March 30 since his resignation is effective by its own terms on February 28 at 8:00 PM. Also, since Easter falls this year on March 31, they will want to convene the conclave early (probably 3/15) to make it unlikely that there will be no new pope by Easter. The entire week preceding Easter is full of important liturgies for just about every day and Vatican authorities will no want the entire voting age membership of the College of Cardinals locked up in the Sistine Chapel and unavailable for those liturgies. Also, just a guess but starting the conclave at a very early date might suggest several candidates are viable potential popes (papabile) who might be chosen by the conclave. A late start may suggest that there is a consensus candidate who is very likely to be chosen quickly.

It is reported that Benedict XVI presided over his last public liturgy as pope today, the Mass for Ash Wednesday, and that it was moved from another smaller Vatican church to the quite spacious St. Peter's Basilica to accommodate an expected giant turnout. The Dean of the College of Cardinals (IIRC) is Angelo Cardinal Sodano and he is not very well known to the public. He is 86 years old and ineligible to vote in conclave (i.e. less than 80 years old).

121 posted on 02/13/2013 2:02:58 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: BlackElk
Thank you. I was aware of the rules about calling and conducting the conclave, I just wasn't sure about the burial. Everything you stated does make logical sense. This is the first Papal resignation in almost 600 years and the first (IIRC) that didn't involve an anti-pope or other usurpson of power.

I also agree with you about NCR. My wife accidentally bought me a subscription after I reverted to the Catholic Church. I asked her if she was trying to drive me back out.

122 posted on 02/13/2013 4:19:44 PM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: Jyotishi
Mr. Clohessy and his organization SNAP are entitled to file lawsuits like anyone else. OTOH, he who lives by the lawsuit dies by the lawsuit.

Perhaps, when invoking the jurisdiction of American courts which are governed not by ill-informed mob rule but by constitutional provisions requiring (not merely suggesting) due process of law, Mr. Clohessy and SNAP should understand that he and his group must submit to the rules of discovery, be deposed upon demand by opposing counsel, answer interrogatories and produce documents on demand instead of erecting his own wall of silence claiming a non-existent "privilege" to protect the "confidentiality" of those he claims to be acting for. "Take my word for it because I and they are 'victims'" won't cut it.

The Catholic League for Civil Rights has published a response by Bill Donahue, its leader, in which he points out that SNAP and Clohessy are chock full of ulterior motives, that Clohessy began his career, such as it is, with none other than the uberleftist "community organizing" group ACORN, that he has a brother Kevin Clohessy who has been a child-abusing priest and that, like so many SNAP claimants, Clohessy has experienced "recovered memory" (a quite discredited phenomenon in courts of law) in about 1988 when he suddenly "remembered" that he had been sexually abused by some priest (or some imagined priest or whomever) 25 years earlier.

No one died and left Clohessy to sit in judgment on popes or anyone else. Clohessy should stifle himself, among other things.

123 posted on 02/13/2013 4:22:29 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: verga
I am happy to be of service.

The older I get the more difficult it seems to be to find good Catholic periodicals. There are Catholic World Report and Crisis Magazine, both of which are heavy on current events from a genuinely Catholic point of view. Also Inside the Vatican.

I had long subscribed to the Wanderer, published in Minneapolis or St. Paul, but it was getting more and more eccentric on matters of secular politics (leaning toward Ron Paul's isolationist views in foreign policy which views are not my cup of tea). The Wanderer IS often a good source on most things Catholic.

There is the interdenominational First Things, founded by Fr. Richard Neuhaus (who, prior to his conversion to Catholicism, had been a Lutheran Pastor). The Catholic articles are first rate as are many of the others.

God bless you and yours.

124 posted on 02/13/2013 5:02:16 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: SoftballMominVA
Jumping in.

Numbers of priests have been incarcerated in the US for molesting children. One, Fr. John Geoghan, was murdered in Walpole State Prison in Massachusetts, apparently by a prisoner whom he had molested when the prisoner was a child.

Another particular notorioso was a Fr. Porter (IIRC he was of the Diocese of Springfield, Massachusetts) who not only molested children but gruesomely murdered one by crucifixion. He escaped justice for a while by escaping Massachusetts but was tracked down working as an IBM executive in Minnesota, convicted and jailed.

There are certainly more. Those two will suffice. I know you are not Catholic but I know you to be a person of good will and I ask you to be scrupulous in your judgments as to the Church itself.

Contrary to the ongoing lame stream media anti-Catholic extravaganza and feeding frenzy, the molesters are not at all representative of our priests and they have been and will continue to be a substantial cross for Catholics to bear.

I have a little list of cowardly or complicit bishops whom I would gladly hand over to the Inquisition, especially if its former range of punishments were restored. Fortunately, most, like Joseph Cardinal Bernardin, are now dead. Roger Cardinal Mahoney and Bernard Cardinal Law are still alive. There are no popes on the list.

God bless you and yours.

125 posted on 02/13/2013 5:19:52 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: narses

Your welcome. A simple matter of justice and you deserve to be supported for your virtues and extensive work here on behalf of Jesus Christ and His Church.


126 posted on 02/13/2013 5:22:19 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: BlackElk

#126 should read “You are welcome.”,,,, I am beginning to spell like a teenager and I have never yet texted.


127 posted on 02/13/2013 5:24:52 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: mgist
Superb post! Then I checked you home page which is also outstanding.

May God bless you and yours.

128 posted on 02/13/2013 5:40:34 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: nickcarraway
Popes have been imprisoned and murdered and don’t abandon their flock.

Pope Benedict isn't abandoning anyone. He gave plenty of notice for the College of Cardinals to have time to meet and choose a successor.

The resignation of a Pope isn't unprecedented; it has happened before, just not for a long time. No reason why they can't, but as Pope Benedict has done, they should be responsible to make sure a successor is chosen.

129 posted on 02/14/2013 5:40:24 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Jyotishi
I stopped at “widespread”.Of course one abused child is one too many but it's strange that you *never* hear about Rabbis,Unitarian/Universalist “ministers” and clergy from other “progressive” faiths/denominations doing that stuff.It's only Catholic priests and the occasional (white) Southern Baptist minister.
130 posted on 02/17/2013 4:18:55 PM PST by Gay State Conservative ("Progressives" toss the word "racist" around like chimps toss their feces)
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To: SamuraiScot

I will NOT go into detail, but what you claim is simply not always the case. In my geographical location, the holy man when told ignored ‘evidence’ and it took an outsider to get help for innocent victims. This took place in the past couple of years.

There is this instant response by the overwhelming majority to any and all accusations of criminal behavior against our young as everybody is doing it. Well granted abusing our young does increasingly appear to be ‘mainstream’ but only one bunch makes the claim they are the first and oldest ‘church’ that represents Mary, ah, I mean God.

Who do Catholics think fund these criminal buyouts?


131 posted on 02/17/2013 4:40:38 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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