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The Talk: What Did You Tell Your Kids After The Zimmerman Verdict?
NPR's Code Switch - Frontiers of Race, Culture and Ethnicity ^ | July 14, 2013 | Staff

Posted on 07/14/2013 2:57:29 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

A few weeks ago, Levar Burton, the actor best-known for his role as Geordi LaForge in Star Trek and the host of the long-running kids' show Reading Rainbow, appeared on a CNN roundtable and offered up a sobering how-to on driving while black:

Listen, I'm going to be honest with you. This is a practice that I engage in whenever I am stopped by law enforcement and I've taught this to my son, who is now 33, as part of my duty as a father to ensure that he knows the kind of world in which he's growing up. I take my hat off and my sunglasses off, I put them on the passenger's side. I roll down my window, I take my hands and stick them outside the window and on the door of the driver's side because i want that officer to be as relaxed as he can be when he approaches my vehicle. And I do that because I live in America.

(VIDEO-AT-LINK)

It's a lesson that many of us got from out folks at some point, often before we got that other uncomfortable parent-child conversation about the birds and the bees. Don't move suddenly. Answer questions clearly, and with yes, sir and no, sir. Don't raise your voice. If you're handcuffed, don't say anything until we [your parents] get there....

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The victimhood never ends, even with a black president.
1 posted on 07/14/2013 2:57:29 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My kids have no idea about this crap....no need to. IMO


2 posted on 07/14/2013 2:59:15 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

See the Chris Rock Video “how not to get your ass kicked by the police”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR465HoCWFQ


3 posted on 07/14/2013 3:00:12 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Don’t go punching people and smashing their heads into concrete.


4 posted on 07/14/2013 3:00:48 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I told mine its not a good idea to walk round in your neighbors backyards in the dark, in the rain, wearing a hoodie covering your face.


5 posted on 07/14/2013 3:01:04 PM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lock up good tonite.


6 posted on 07/14/2013 3:01:25 PM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

1. Whenver blacks do not get their way in a court case, they will always say it’s because of racism.

2. Whenver blacks do not get their way on anything, they will ultimately say it’s because of racism.

3. If you are in fear of death or serious injury, you don’t have to wait to be injured or on your way to death, before defending yourself from ANY attacker.


7 posted on 07/14/2013 3:01:36 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"...whenever I am stopped by law enforcement..."

One could get the impress he's interacting with the police on a daily basis...

8 posted on 07/14/2013 3:02:17 PM PDT by Red Dog #1
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
GET WHITEY!!!

-- Barry Soetoro
9 posted on 07/14/2013 3:03:10 PM PDT by Darteaus94025
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How about ‘don’t physically attack a stranger without provocation - its uncivilized and he might be armed’


10 posted on 07/14/2013 3:04:14 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
http://www.gzdefensefund.com/donate/

11 posted on 07/14/2013 3:04:33 PM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I told mine to watch her Creepy Ass Cracker ass after the verdict.

She’s in school in Gainesville.


12 posted on 07/14/2013 3:04:37 PM PDT by digger48
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I told my grown children, that Obama claimed if he had a son he would look like TM. in my family I do have 4 grandsons who look like George Zimmerman


13 posted on 07/14/2013 3:05:11 PM PDT by JoanneSD
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; xzins

My 20 month old granddaughter was with me when the verdict came down.

She screamed with delight and clapped her hands along with me.

Smart kid!


14 posted on 07/14/2013 3:05:12 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

From John Derbyshire of Taki Magazine, his version of “the Talk”

“Sean O’Reilly was 16 when his mother gave him the talk that most black parents give their teenage sons,” Denisa R. Superville of the Hackensack (NJ) Record tells us. Meanwhile, down in Atlanta: “Her sons were 12 and 8 when Marlyn Tillman realized it was time for her to have the talk,” Gracie Bonds Staples writes in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

Leonard Greene talks about the talk in the New York Post. Someone bylined as KJ Dell’Antonia talks about the talk in The New York Times. Darryl Owens talks about the talk in the Orlando Sentinel.

Yes, talk about the talk is all over.

There is a talk that nonblack Americans have with their kids, too. My own kids, now 19 and 16, have had it in bits and pieces as subtopics have arisen. If I were to assemble it into a single talk, it would look something like the following.

* * * * * * * * * * * * *

(1) Among your fellow citizens are forty million who identify as black, and whom I shall refer to as black. The cumbersome (and MLK-noncompliant) term “African-American” seems to be in decline, thank goodness. “Colored” and “Negro” are archaisms. What you must call “the ‘N’ word” is used freely among blacks but is taboo to nonblacks.

“There is a talk that nonblack Americans have with their kids, too.”

(2) American blacks are descended from West African populations, with some white and aboriginal-American admixture. The overall average of non-African admixture is 20-25 percent. The admixture distribution is nonlinear, though: “It seems that around 10 percent of the African American population is more than half European in ancestry.” (Same link.)

(3) Your own ancestry is mixed north-European and northeast-Asian, but blacks will take you to be white.

(4) The default principle in everyday personal encounters is, that as a fellow citizen, with the same rights and obligations as yourself, any individual black is entitled to the same courtesies you would extend to a nonblack citizen. That is basic good manners and good citizenship. In some unusual circumstances, however—e.g., paragraph (10h) below—this default principle should be overridden by considerations of personal safety.

(5) As with any population of such a size, there is great variation among blacks in every human trait (except, obviously, the trait of identifying oneself as black). They come fat, thin, tall, short, dumb, smart, introverted, extroverted, honest, crooked, athletic, sedentary, fastidious, sloppy, amiable, and obnoxious. There are black geniuses and black morons. There are black saints and black psychopaths. In a population of forty million, you will find almost any human type. Only at the far, far extremes of certain traits are there absences. There are, for example, no black Fields Medal winners. While this is civilizationally consequential, it will not likely ever be important to you personally. Most people live and die without ever meeting (or wishing to meet) a Fields Medal winner.

(6) As you go through life, however, you will experience an ever larger number of encounters with black Americans. Assuming your encounters are random—for example, not restricted only to black convicted murderers or to black investment bankers—the Law of Large Numbers will inevitably kick in. You will observe that the means—the averages—of many traits are very different for black and white Americans, as has been confirmed by methodical inquiries in the human sciences.

(7) Of most importance to your personal safety are the very different means for antisocial behavior, which you will see reflected in, for instance, school disciplinary measures, political corruption, and criminal convictions.

(8) These differences are magnified by the hostility many blacks feel toward whites. Thus, while black-on-black behavior is more antisocial in the average than is white-on-white behavior, average black-on-white behavior is a degree more antisocial yet.

(9) A small cohort of blacks—in my experience, around five percent—is ferociously hostile to whites and will go to great lengths to inconvenience or harm us. A much larger cohort of blacks—around half—will go along passively if the five percent take leadership in some event. They will do this out of racial solidarity, the natural willingness of most human beings to be led, and a vague feeling that whites have it coming.

(10) Thus, while always attentive to the particular qualities of individuals, on the many occasions where you have nothing to guide you but knowledge of those mean differences, use statistical common sense:

(10a) Avoid concentrations of blacks not all known to you personally.

(10b) Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods.

(10c) If planning a trip to a beach or amusement park at some date, find out whether it is likely to be swamped with blacks on that date (neglect of that one got me the closest I have ever gotten to death by gunshot).

(10d) Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks.

(10e) If you are at some public event at which the number of blacks suddenly swells, leave as quickly as possible.

(10f) Do not settle in a district or municipality run by black politicians.

(10g) Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her character much more carefully than you would a white.

(10h) Do not act the Good Samaritan to blacks in apparent distress, e.g., on the highway.

(10i) If accosted by a strange black in the street, smile and say something polite but keep moving.

(11) The mean intelligence of blacks is much lower than for whites. The least intelligent ten percent of whites have IQs below 81; forty percent of blacks have IQs that low. Only one black in six is more intelligent than the average white; five whites out of six are more intelligent than the average black. These differences show in every test of general cognitive ability that anyone, of any race or nationality, has yet been able to devise. They are reflected in countless everyday situations. “Life is an IQ test.”

(12) There is a magnifying effect here, too, caused by affirmative action. In a pure meritocracy there would be very low proportions of blacks in cognitively demanding jobs. Because of affirmative action, the proportions are higher. In government work, they are very high. Thus, in those encounters with strangers that involve cognitive engagement, ceteris paribus the black stranger will be less intelligent than the white. In such encounters, therefore—for example, at a government office—you will, on average, be dealt with more competently by a white than by a black. If that hostility-based magnifying effect (paragraph 8) is also in play, you will be dealt with more politely, too. “The DMV lady“ is a statistical truth, not a myth.

(13) In that pool of forty million, there are nonetheless many intelligent and well-socialized blacks. (I’ll use IWSB as an ad hoc abbreviation.) You should consciously seek opportunities to make friends with IWSBs. In addition to the ordinary pleasures of friendship, you will gain an amulet against potentially career-destroying accusations of prejudice.

(14) Be aware, however, that there is an issue of supply and demand here. Demand comes from organizations and businesses keen to display racial propriety by employing IWSBs, especially in positions at the interface with the general public—corporate sales reps, TV news presenters, press officers for government agencies, etc.—with corresponding depletion in less visible positions. There is also strong private demand from middle- and upper-class whites for personal bonds with IWSBs, for reasons given in the previous paragraph and also (next paragraph) as status markers.

(15) Unfortunately the demand is greater than the supply, so IWSBs are something of a luxury good, like antique furniture or corporate jets: boasted of by upper-class whites and wealthy organizations, coveted by the less prosperous. To be an IWSB in present-day US society is a height of felicity rarely before attained by any group of human beings in history. Try to curb your envy: it will be taken as prejudice (see paragraph 13).

* * * * * * * * * * * * *

You don’t have to follow my version of the talk point for point; but if you are white or Asian and have kids, you owe it to them to give them some version of the talk. It will save them a lot of time and trouble spent figuring things out for themselves. It may save their lives.


15 posted on 07/14/2013 3:05:21 PM PDT by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I pretty much do the same as Burton, but I leave my hands on the steering wheel with motor off.


16 posted on 07/14/2013 3:05:24 PM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: Red Dog #1

My exact thought.


17 posted on 07/14/2013 3:05:41 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Don’t go punching people and smashing their heads into concrete.

I would also add, don't tell people that they are going to die tonight, as apparently Martin said to Zimmerman as Martin reached for Zimmerman's holstered gun.

18 posted on 07/14/2013 3:07:16 PM PDT by FreeReign
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What Did You Tell Your Kids After The Zimmerman Verdict?

(6) As you go through life, however, you will experience an ever larger number of encounters with black Americans. Assuming your encounters are random—for example, not restricted only to black convicted murderers or to black investment bankers—the Law of Large Numbers will inevitably kick in. You will observe that the means—the averages—of many traits are very different for black and white Americans, as has been confirmed by methodical inquiries in the human sciences.

(7) Of most importance to your personal safety are the very different means for antisocial behavior, which you will see reflected in, for instance, school disciplinary measures, political corruption, and criminal convictions.

(8) These differences are magnified by the hostility many blacks feel toward whites. Thus, while black-on-black behavior is more antisocial in the average than is white-on-white behavior, average black-on-white behavior is a degree more antisocial yet.

(9) A small cohort of blacks—in my experience, around five percent—is ferociously hostile to whites and will go to great lengths to inconvenience or harm us. A much larger cohort of blacks—around half—will go along passively if the five percent take leadership in some event. They will do this out of racial solidarity, the natural willingness of most human beings to be led, and a vague feeling that whites have it coming.

(10) Thus, while always attentive to the particular qualities of individuals, on the many occasions where you have nothing to guide you but knowledge of those mean differences, use statistical common sense:

(10a) Avoid concentrations of blacks not all known to you personally.

(10b) Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods.

(10c) If planning a trip to a beach or amusement park at some date, find out whether it is likely to be swamped with blacks on that date (neglect of that one got me the closest I have ever gotten to death by gunshot).

(10d) Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks.

(10e) If you are at some public event at which the number of blacks suddenly swells, leave as quickly as possible.

(10f) Do not settle in a district or municipality run by black politicians.

(10g) Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her character much more carefully than you would a white.

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19 posted on 07/14/2013 3:07:51 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I'd give them the talk about DXM abuse, and how even thought the ingredients are legal, it can still severely mess people up. Then I would watch the kids for any signs of drug abuse, and if my kids were repeatedly suspended for things that looked like he was developing a drug habit, I would come down pretty hard on them.

If the kid was suspended and I was trying to punish him and keep an eye on him, I wouldn't go out for a night on the town with my girlfriend, leaving him alone where he could skip out of the house and go to the 7-11 to get the ingredients to get high.

20 posted on 07/14/2013 3:08:43 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I told ‘em —always make sure you have a valid passport.


21 posted on 07/14/2013 3:09:56 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: 2banana

That is funny.


22 posted on 07/14/2013 3:10:44 PM PDT by Bronzy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

To be careful not to be victimized by a racist lynch mob that is out to kill white people


23 posted on 07/14/2013 3:10:57 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You mean after we talk to them about “gay” “marriage”, homosexuality, transgender, cross dressing, abortion rights, self-esteem, global warming, wealth redistribution, etc.


24 posted on 07/14/2013 3:11:18 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Democrat party supposedly gets most of the Hispanic vote.

How does railroading a Hispanic help?

And how completely will the GOP miss this opportunity?


25 posted on 07/14/2013 3:11:48 PM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: Altura Ct.

I told my 22yo CHP .40 cal carrying daughter...

“Zimm not guilty...be aware...be on your toes.”


26 posted on 07/14/2013 3:15:59 PM PDT by sigmashooter
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What Did You Tell Your Kids After The Zimmerman Verdict?

"Don't go 'round jackin' folks strange to you."

27 posted on 07/14/2013 3:19:36 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Skiddle-arink a-dink, a-dink, Skiddle-arink a-doo . . .)
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To: dynachrome

Wow, you nailed it.


28 posted on 07/14/2013 3:21:28 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
One of the responses on NPS was:

"I did with my son, but he's white. He cried and said "I hate that I won the cosmic lottery and I can't share it."

This is what many white liberals teach their children. Be ashamed. You only won some kind of lottery and you should feel bad about it.

29 posted on 07/14/2013 3:23:38 PM PDT by Rokurota
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
They hear the news. They're all old enough to understand the race baiters motives.

Marten didn't have to hide in a bush and attack George when he was peacefully walking away. Marten chose to become violent. Marten threw the first punch. End of story.

30 posted on 07/14/2013 3:24:07 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I told them to zip up and go to bed.


31 posted on 07/14/2013 3:30:00 PM PDT by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My advice to all black kids is if you see a creepy ass cracker following you, don’t get angry, knock him down, and start beating his head against the cement. He might get upset about having his brains bashed in, take out a gun, and kill you to death.


32 posted on 07/14/2013 3:31:44 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Don't move suddenly. Answer questions clearly, and with yes, sir and no, sir. Don't raise your voice. If you're handcuffed, don't say anything...

So why do liberals think that advice doesn't apply to every kid? I told my son the exact same thing. And it is good advice for anybody.

There are few instances I can think of where doing the opposite of those suggestions will do you any good during an interaction with a police officer who isn't over at your house attending a barbeque as a friend.

33 posted on 07/14/2013 3:42:21 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Just say "Yes sir. No sir." and don't try to run the cop over.

It ain't rocket surgery.

34 posted on 07/14/2013 3:44:02 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

None of my kids would ever dream about jumping on GZ or anyone else, but if pounced on, they might do the same as GZ.


35 posted on 07/14/2013 3:54:03 PM PDT by pallis
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My kids agreed with the verdict.


36 posted on 07/14/2013 3:57:11 PM PDT by ContraryMary (Barack Obama = Neville Chamberlain)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t have kids, but warned friends living in the city(I live waaaay out in rural E TX) to be careful when out and about. Keeping their heads on a swivel will keep their heads attached. Coincidentally, at work on Friday, we fired an older, black woman due to her incompetence and inability to perform her job duties. This makes Monday morning look like all kinds of fun. Hopefully, this last comment does not need a sarc tag. :/


37 posted on 07/14/2013 4:12:38 PM PDT by bigredkitty1 (March 5,2010. Rest in peace, sweet boy. I will miss you, Big Red.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I told him if in the same situation to go home, do not circle around and confront someone with a gun. But he knows this already.


38 posted on 07/14/2013 4:13:52 PM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Told them justice was served and to watch out for thugs out for revenge and to stay at home.


39 posted on 07/14/2013 4:16:31 PM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How odd. That’s the same thing I do.


40 posted on 07/14/2013 4:18:23 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

NPR’s “Code Switch” forum kicks you out if you disagree or have a contrary opinion. Most all conservatives have been banned from posting there.


41 posted on 07/14/2013 4:20:34 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Don’t start trouble with anyone, as you never know how more prepared than you they are.

Lesson Trayvon sorely missed.

Dating my wife in Philly when a brawl started I told her, lets go the other way, as people get stupid and start punching/beating bystanders who
think this is open season to hurt anyone in the area.


42 posted on 07/14/2013 4:22:05 PM PDT by patriotspride
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When you go to ambush and beat a guy martial arts style, be sure he doesn’t have a gun on him.


43 posted on 07/14/2013 4:27:05 PM PDT by anton
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A totally media fabricated event. People get shot all the time, and they decided to create an event out of this one.


44 posted on 07/14/2013 4:45:44 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Just wanted to say I hope you great NSA folks are enjoying my posts here.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I called my son and told him, “watch your six.”


45 posted on 07/14/2013 4:59:41 PM PDT by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: freeandfreezing

Don’t move suddenly. Answer questions clearly, and with yes, sir and no, sir. Don’t raise your voice. If you’re handcuffed, don’t say anything...
So why do liberals think that advice doesn’t apply to every kid? I told my son the exact same thing. And it is good advice for anybody.

**
It sure is. Going to use this with my 21 year old who gets an attitude from time to time ...


46 posted on 07/14/2013 6:01:59 PM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

47 posted on 07/14/2013 6:10:24 PM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: patriotspride
Dating my wife in Philly when a brawl started I told her, lets go the other way...

I was born and raised in Philly, heck, I was just at the Phillies game today, my plan when something goes down? - run.

Getting out was always the best option., mostly so I didn't end up in the 15th and having to call my parents. Now that I have a family, I must defend them.

We all know about the animals in the city, so early this morning I went into Philly and picked my Mom up and brought her to my home- just to be safe.

48 posted on 07/14/2013 6:22:50 PM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Told my kids that an innocent man went free and a thug will not hurt anybody again.


49 posted on 07/14/2013 6:31:18 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I didn’t have to talk to my daughter — she posted to facebook in praise of the verdict, and even had an argument with one of her black friends about it. She is no conservative, but she still thinks solidly.


50 posted on 07/14/2013 7:53:38 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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