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Our Republic and Our Free Republic
9-6-02
| Joe Phillips
Posted on 09/06/2002 8:17:16 AM PDT by BADJOE
History teaches some very good lessons. They are hard to learn but our forefathers did a great job.
From the beginning of time man has overthrown one form of centralized government only to re-establish another one in its place. Our forefathers understood this far better than anyone ever had. They said governments are the eternal enemy of free men. They said that in order for man to remain free it would take a bloody revolution every other generation, unless you bound down (bastard) government with the chains of the constitution.
On another site this week a poster asked if anyone else hated government as much as he did. I replied to him
"Hell !! I thought you were not a good American if you didn't love our country and hate our government.
At least that is how I have always felt about it"
I think our forefathers had the same attitude that I have now. And I think it is inherent in the average Americans attitude to distrust and have disdain for any government, including ours. One of the hardest conclusions I had to arrive at as a young man, after having been a product of the public school system, was that our government was not on our side. As James Forrestahl, former secretary of the Navy, who suffered a mysterious death, once said about our State Department's foreign policy, " Stupidity is never a mark of consistancy. If they were merely stupid, they would occasionally make a mistake in our favor".
Newt Gringrich put it in a humourous manner when talking about the attitude of Europeans. He related the following story. If you go to Europe and drive on the Autobahn, you feel pretty good cruising down the highway at 100 mph when some some German passes you doing 140 mph. Now he said if the Bundestag passed the 55mph speed limit law, every German would dutifully obey that law, untill the next election. They would vote the 55 mph crowd out of office and the no speed limit crowd in. In America Newt said "A speed limit sign is a benchmark of opportunity.
It is obvious that Yankees and Euros have entirely different attitudes about government's edicts. There are darn few Americans who do not break the speed limit laws everyday.
Now we come to the Free Republic. Once a free wheeling, joyful site for news and discussion of politics, economics, philosophy, ethics and morals. I could not understand the transformation that has taken place in the last six months. Camaraderie, the sense of family, and cooperation seems to have disappeared. Are the Freepers exhibiting the same disdain for the new FR as Americans have for our government?
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To: FreeTheHostages
ABOUT THE BIG CONTEST!!?
To: FreeTheHostages
she's the sitter ...
942
posted on
09/06/2002 4:39:23 PM PDT
by
tomkat
To: All; Mudboy Slim
CONTEST, CONTEST!!! WITH ACTUAL REAL WORLD PRIZE!! CHENEY BOOK AND COULTER BOOK
Me and Mudboy Slim here sponsoring a contest in this thread. Person who wins gets me to mail them a copy of Lynne Cheney's new book, "America: A Patriotic Primer." And Mudboy Slim is adding to the kitty a SIGNED COPY OF ANN COULTER'S NEW BOOK. Gasp: can Mudboy be serious about parting with such a thing? Apparently so! Well, all I can guarantee is that I am perfectly serious about mailing the book to the winner. And Cheney’s book is a real winner. So here's all you got to do to win: Come up with the best top ten list (and be sure to ping me with it) of
TOP TEN REASONS WHY (and here you have an option of themes)
(1) I'm Still Posting in This Thread
(2) I'm Still A Happy Freeper
(3) This Thread Scares Me
Contest closes at 5 p.m. EST Saturday, winner to be announced by 10 p.m. FreetheHostages and Mudboy Slim are the judges. FreetheHostages has final say if we don't agree. But we will.
Remember, this is a top ten list contest. Humor counts.
The judges remind participants that we will accept bribes gladly. I do say, however, that bribes will not affect our judging. (To which Mudboy Slim says: “Speak fer yerself, mi amigo.”) So far, we have as entrants posts nos. 887, 886, 870, 764, 762, 752, 738, 736, 724, 680, and 667. FREEP ON! There is still plenty of material intermingled with these top ten list entries to give you food for thought! (Wow, is it ever. Wish they’d tone it down a little: people, people, we’re trying to run a costest over here.)
This is not an official contest of Free Republic management. It’s just little ‘ole me and, if Mudboy’s serious and I *think* he is, Mudboy too, we’re running this contest. But there *will* be a winner, publicly announced, and the prize is *real.*
No consolation prize, although I will pray for the souls of all who have posted in this thread.
To: Howlin
I can abide anybody, with any ideology, as long as they are honest in their intent. This ongoing campaign to label some Adimistrative Moderators, and FR in general, as GOP shills and operatives is a bald face lie. It's crap, it always has been, it's a fraud patty-caked around the perpetually beseiged cabana boys.
Some of the anti-Statist enthusiasts around here get banned because they are irresponsible and selfish a$$holes. They taunt the operators of the site. They get their post yanked, and they repost it. Their mole men pals huddle together to lament their passing. It's like a meeting of the cast of "Night of the Living Dead"
Who cares? This place will survive BADJOE, he's on a Kamakazi mission for some reason. His descent into a destructive madness, after all we've seen over the years, is just plain boring. OK ... leave. Or ... stay.
What to do? What to do? LMAO. I'm still trying to process the loss of Di Zadroga and GoBillGo.
To: All
See the response to our being 'GOP shills'
here...
To: KC Burke
wouldn't it be a lot simpler for the Network to have a disassociated name and membership? In all but name, it does. Not all Network members are FReepers, nor are all FReepers Network members. And this thread has nothing to do with the Network.
To: Chad Fairbanks
Chad, thanks for the link. That's a GREAT post there. Everyone check on the link in 945.
To: Chad Fairbanks
Makes ya proud to be on the same website with likes of Jim Robinson.
Well, I'm an unabashed Bush Babe, so I guess I shouldn't have much say in this debate. I'm just practical, for want of a better word.
To: FreeTheHostages
You are welcome... :0)
I mean, being a GOP Team Leader, I'm expected to do stuff like that... LOL ;0)
To: Chad Fairbanks
ROFL! Hey, enter my contest. Here's the info:
CONTEST, CONTEST!!! WITH ACTUAL REAL WORLD PRIZE!! CHENEY BOOK AND COULTER BOOK
Me and Mudboy Slim here sponsoring a contest in this thread. Person who wins gets me to mail them a copy of Lynne Cheney's new book, "America: A Patriotic Primer." And Mudboy Slim is adding to the kitty a SIGNED COPY OF ANN COULTER'S NEW BOOK. Gasp: can Mudboy be serious about parting with such a thing? Apparently so! Well, all I can guarantee is that I am perfectly serious about mailing the book to the winner. And Cheney’s book is a real winner. So here's all you got to do to win: Come up with the best top ten list (and be sure to ping me with it) of
TOP TEN REASONS WHY (and here you have an option of themes)
(1) I'm Still Posting in This Thread
(2) I'm Still A Happy Freeper
(3) This Thread Scares Me
Contest closes at 5 p.m. EST Saturday, winner to be announced by 10 p.m. FreetheHostages and Mudboy Slim are the judges. FreetheHostages has final say if we don't agree. But we will.
Remember, this is a top ten list contest. Humor counts.
The judges remind participants that we will accept bribes gladly. I do say, however, that bribes will not affect our judging. (To which Mudboy Slim says: “Speak fer yerself, mi amigo.”) So far, we have as entrants posts nos. 887, 886, 870, 764, 762, 752, 738, 736, 724, 680, and 667. FREEP ON! There is still plenty of material intermingled with these top ten list entries to give you food for thought! (Wow, is it ever. Wish they’d tone it down a little: people, people, we’re trying to run a contest over here.)
This is not an official contest of Free Republic management. It’s just little ‘ole me and, if Mudboy’s serious and I *think* he is, Mudboy too, we’re running this contest. But there *will* be a winner, publicly announced, and the prize is *real.*
No consolation prize, although I will pray for the souls of all who have posted in this thread.
To: All
CONTEST, CONTEST!!! WITH ACTUAL REAL WORLD PRIZE!! CHENEY BOOK AND COULTER BOOK
Me and Mudboy Slim here sponsoring a contest in this thread. Person who wins gets me to mail them a copy of Lynne Cheney's new book, "America: A Patriotic Primer." And Mudboy Slim is adding to the kitty a SIGNED COPY OF ANN COULTER'S NEW BOOK. Gasp: can Mudboy be serious about parting with such a thing? Apparently so! Well, all I can guarantee is that I am perfectly serious about mailing the book to the winner. And Cheney’s book is a real winner. So here's all you got to do to win: Come up with the best top ten list (and be sure to ping me with it) of
TOP TEN REASONS WHY (and here you have an option of themes)
(1) I'm Still Posting in This Thread
(2) I'm Still A Happy Freeper
(3) This Thread Scares Me
Contest closes at 5 p.m. EST Saturday, winner to be announced by 10 p.m. FreetheHostages and Mudboy Slim are the judges. FreetheHostages has final say if we don't agree. But we will.
Remember, this is a top ten list contest. Humor counts.
The judges remind participants that we will accept bribes gladly. I do say, however, that bribes will not affect our judging. (To which Mudboy Slim says: “Speak fer yerself, mi amigo.”) So far, we have as entrants posts nos. 887, 886, 870, 764, 762, 752, 738, 736, 724, 680, and 667. FREEP ON! There is still plenty of material intermingled with these top ten list entries to give you food for thought! (Wow, is it ever. Wish they’d tone it down a little: people, people, we’re trying to run a contest over here.)
This is not an official contest of Free Republic management. It’s just little ‘ole me and, if Mudboy’s serious and I *think* he is, Mudboy too, we’re running this contest. But there *will* be a winner, publicly announced, and the prize is *real.*
No consolation prize, although I will pray for the souls of all who have posted in this thread.
To: Chad Fairbanks
Thanks for linking that!
952
posted on
09/06/2002 4:57:18 PM PDT
by
Howlin
To: FreeTheHostages
Ummm...ok... I'm an engineer, so is it okay if I number my entries 0-9? ;0)
Comment #954 Removed by Moderator
To: BADJOE
Joe, you know I've stood by you throughout this ordeal. But this thread is a waste of bandwidth and an embarrassment. Would I be safe in assuming that it's your last in this vein?
Maybe we'd all fare better if this site were a little more about our goals and a little less about this site.
To: IronJack
Is this about contracting a professional credit card authorization service to replace the Badjoe-centric former system?
To: IronJack
See #945.
957
posted on
09/06/2002 5:01:07 PM PDT
by
Howlin
To: one_particular_harbour
4. Springer doesn't come on till 11 PM.HEY, HEY - Springer comes on in MY neck of the woods at 9:00 PM.
Us middle aged folks in flyover country need our sleep ya know.
To: BADJOE
The thing is, Forrestal made several previous attempts which he admitted to to several friends, and he left an elaborate suicide note referencing Greek mythical heroes, the kind of note only a very educated and gifted man could write. He was known to be a deep depressive and he suffered from erratic behavior for years prior to his death.
As far as I know, no serious doubts exist about the cause of his death, except maybe by "Roswell" conspiracy types.
959
posted on
09/06/2002 5:04:34 PM PDT
by
beckett
To: ArneFufkin
Is this about contracting a professional credit card authorization service to replace the Badjoe-centric former system? I certainly hope so, because after the displays of the past couple of weeks, I know one person who will NOT be getting my credit card number any more.
960
posted on
09/06/2002 5:07:17 PM PDT
by
Amelia
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