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Has ANYONE ever been imprisoned for smoking pot?
09/21/02 | Libloather

Posted on 09/21/2002 5:49:50 PM PDT by Libloather

Liberteens come, and Liberteens go. But they seem to have an awful time with their own (and biggest - maybe only) issue - pot.

As far as anyone can tell, not ONE person has been placed behind bars for smoking pot. But the Liberteens paint an entirely different picture. They claim that HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS are behind bars for smoking.

Can anyone provide any proof either way?


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From a fellow FReeper -

"As far as I know, ironically, there is no law that prohibits smoking marijuana."

1 posted on 09/21/2002 5:49:50 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Zon; KDD
Flail away...
2 posted on 09/21/2002 5:51:13 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: The FRugitive; Wolfie; OWK; Sandy; Phantom Lord; JediGirl; Xenalyte; headsonpikes; realpatriot71
Your big day!
3 posted on 09/21/2002 5:57:21 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather
Well, you can definately spend some nights in jail for posession. Also, if you are having a party, and you buy in quantity, then you'll be charged with intent to deal.
4 posted on 09/21/2002 5:58:12 PM PDT by BrooklynGOP
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To: BrooklynGOP; scholar
...if you are having a party, and you buy in quantity, then you'll be charged with intent to deal.

But that isn't what scholar sez.

Our prison system is overburdened with non-violent, pot-smoking "criminals" while the big time dealers never find their way to prison. In the meantime, child molesters are given suspended sentences and walk free. I cannot begin to grasp the logic of our criminal justice system.

Maybe scholar is wrong - eh?

5 posted on 09/21/2002 6:03:07 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather
True - but no one has ever spent time in jail for stuffing rounds into a firearm, either...
6 posted on 09/21/2002 6:04:43 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Senator Pardek
...no one has ever spent time in jail for stuffing rounds into a firearm, either...

When that become relevant, I'll let you know...

7 posted on 09/21/2002 6:06:58 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather
Your informant is correct. There is, in fact, no law against being stoned, per se. There are laws against possession, and DUI. People have gone to jail for DUI, even without anyone being harmed, and to federal prison, for possession of pot.

Harry Anslinger especially targeted black musician users for federal jail until one of our presidents told him to cut it the hell out.

There is a(n) (in)famous case here in Oregon of a black musician sent several times to Sheridan for possession. It is not high on federal prosecutor's list of things to do, but it is a federal crime worth 6 mo. to a year in a federal pen, usually suspended in return for mandated "therapy", for a virgin offender, so if a constable brings it in, they will prosecute. And if the offense is repeated enough, it will bring a prison term.

You are, I presume, aware that the BofP publishes stats on this question every year, promptly followed up by BofP apologists who like to suggest that all the people in prison for pot, are really in prison for some major crime that got bargained down. Are you comforted?

8 posted on 09/21/2002 6:07:07 PM PDT by donh
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To: Libloather
The laws are against possession. That's how it's relevant.
9 posted on 09/21/2002 6:08:30 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Libloather
"BJS officials also estimated that 42% of state "marijuana only" prisoners and 23% of federal "marijuana only" prisoners were incarcerated for possession, not "trafficking."[7] ("Trafficking" includes "possession with intent to distribute.") Applied to the previously calculated estimates, as adjusted for the June 1998 prisoner counts, there would be 7,400 state prisoners and 2,300 federal prisoners incarcerated for marijuana possession only, for a total of 9,700 prisoners."

BJS is "Bureau of Justice Statistics." I found this at the first link in a Google search, something I presume you are capable of doing yourself.

10 posted on 09/21/2002 6:09:06 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: BrooklynGOP
We all pretty much know what can happen ... the question is ... has anyone (here) ever been popped?

Personally ... my pot days ended in 1981. I discovered it in '66.

In all that time, I've never been busted for reefer ... plenty of drunk over-nighters, but no drug busts.

Once, I was busted as a public drunk and the cops found an empty 'Boro pack with some acidic aspirin (We were clever in those days) in it.

They sent it off to the lab for analysis, but I convinced the judge they were just aspirin and I walked after promising never to get caught drunk again on the streets of Bostson>

I remember telling this story to my freinds that night in some joint (maybe the original CHEERS) somewhere in Kenmore Square that night ... right before I passed out or went into a walking coma.

Don't really know ... can't remember $h!t.

That's why 1981 is so memorable ... I met Jesus, quit drinking and drugging.

Cigarettes are an entirely different addiction.

11 posted on 09/21/2002 6:10:47 PM PDT by knarf
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To: donh
..all the people in prison for pot, are really in prison for some major crime that got bargained down.

You're really helping me out - no?

12 posted on 09/21/2002 6:11:39 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Senator Pardek
The laws are against possession.

That wasn't the question. Again, when that become relevant, I'll let you know...

13 posted on 09/21/2002 6:13:17 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: donh
Harry Anslinger especially targeted black musician users for federal jail until one of our presidents told him to cut it the hell out.

The Marxists are still using that example in black neighborhoods to stir up strife and resistence against "The Man."

In the Marxist paradise, the state will wither away and everyone will be free to smoke pot all day long if they so desire.

Sounds a lot like the libertarian paradise.

14 posted on 09/21/2002 6:14:26 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Trailerpark Badass
I found this at the first link in a Google search, something I presume you are capable of doing yourself.

I'm kewl wiff it, but it still doesn't answer the question.

The question is - Has ANYONE ever been imprisoned for smoking pot?

Wanna try again?

15 posted on 09/21/2002 6:16:30 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather
The question is - Has ANYONE ever been imprisoned for smoking pot?

No... but to smoke pot, you must posess it, and hence smokers have gone to jail, for posession.

16 posted on 09/21/2002 6:18:57 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe
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To: Libloather
You have proof that Liberteens made that exact claim?

You have proof of such an entity as a "Liberteen"? (A freedom lover under twenty yet older than twelve?)

Or you just looking to empty a spray can?

M

17 posted on 09/21/2002 6:19:42 PM PDT by AzJP
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To: Libloather
The question is illogical. You have to possess it to smoke it. No one is gets it because they want to look at it.
18 posted on 09/21/2002 6:19:48 PM PDT by aynrandfreak
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To: Libloather

"As far as I know, ironically, there is no law that prohibits smoking marijuana."

That quote was from me to you over on this thread: Drug Czar on Anti-Marijuana Crusade. (An interesting juxtaposition between myself and liblother.)

IMO, it is a misnomer that smoking marijuana is prohibited by law. As far as I know there is no law that prohibits smoking marijuana. There are laws prohibiting possession of marijuana.

In a court of law the distinction is critical. One act can result in a court trial, the other doesn't. One act can result in being sent to prison, the other can't.

This forum is not a court of law and it is logically assumed by the vast majority of people that in order to smoke marijuana a person must have marijuana in their possession.

You appear to be making a very petty argument.

19 posted on 09/21/2002 6:19:48 PM PDT by Zon
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To: Libloather
This web page cites "Marijuana Arrests and Incarceration in the United States," (Chuck Thomas; Drug Policy Analysis Bulletin, Issue Number Seven, June 1999; Washington, D.C.: Federation of American Scientists) as saying that 60,000 people were incarcerated for marijuana offenses. That article may have a breakdown of the 1999 figures.
20 posted on 09/21/2002 6:21:27 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Libloather
Okay, let's turn this around.

Who claimed anyone was in jail for just smoking pot? And don't refer to the above quote you posted, one could also say that the person was claiming that people are in jail for being non-violent.

21 posted on 09/21/2002 6:21:28 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: knarf
I met Jesus, quit drinking and drugging. Cigarettes are an entirely different addiction.

I quit smokes because of the price. Just wait until it hits $10 a pack. Meet you on the other side...

23 posted on 09/21/2002 6:22:12 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather
"The question is - Has ANYONE ever been imprisoned for smoking pot?"

I dunno, but can you get popped for second hand smoke? I may have to turn myself in.
24 posted on 09/21/2002 6:23:40 PM PDT by Liberty Teeth
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To: Ed B.
Back in the 70's, there was a person doing life in a ?Texas? prison for possession of ... one marijuana seed.

Track it down. Let's get the whole story, the straight story, completely in context.

25 posted on 09/21/2002 6:24:09 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Senator Pardek
Okay, let's turn this around.

Nope. No dice. The Liberteens have been trying that for years and it still doesn't work.

Maybe answer this - does the violence occur before being imprisoned - or after? (Any practical experience?)

26 posted on 09/21/2002 6:25:49 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather
"We're not talking about the guy who sells on the street corner,' Class said. "We're talking about the guy who flies the plane." Class said he did not know of any prisoners here simply for using drugs.

"We don't get sent to federal prison for smoking pot," Class said. "A lot of these people are criminals. The money these days is in drugs, so they sold drugs."

http://www.crrh.org/hempnews/hn_11.html
27 posted on 09/21/2002 6:27:08 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Libloather
What a stupid question.
You can't smoke it unless you are in possession of it.

Try walking into Police HQ and lighting a doobie.
You'll spend time...but you're right, it won't be for smoking it, just having it is enough.

PS. Are you for real?

28 posted on 09/21/2002 6:27:19 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Ed B.
In my opinion, the possession of a pot seed doesn't rise to legal level of first-degree murder. But, hey, that's just me. :)

That is true and that is when states were allowed to treat drugs as they saw fit. Then came the Federal WOD and they forced states into federal sentencing guidelines . That is why I don't understand the anger from the pro-drug crowd about the WOD. If and when the Feds let states regain control over their approach to drugs, y'all may be in for rude shock.

29 posted on 09/21/2002 6:28:45 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Libloather
Bill I-didn't-inhale Clinton was in possession of marijuana. Under his administration thousands of people were imprisoned for doing what he did.
30 posted on 09/21/2002 6:29:19 PM PDT by Zon
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To: Zon; KDD; The FRugitive; Wolfie; OWK; Sandy; Phantom Lord; JediGirl; Xenalyte; headsonpikes; ...
This is your outlet! Go!
31 posted on 09/21/2002 6:29:26 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather; All
Why is everyone having such a hard time answering simple questions this evening? Is the back yard potato still running at full steam, or what?
32 posted on 09/21/2002 6:29:59 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: eddie willers
You can't smoke it unless you are in possession of it.

Stupid question - or stupid answer?

33 posted on 09/21/2002 6:31:19 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Zon
You forget his "out" (he claimed the only time he did it was when he was in GB). "I never broke the laws of the United States."
34 posted on 09/21/2002 6:31:21 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Ed B.

Back in the 70's, there was a person doing life in a ?Texas?
prison for possession of ... one marijuana seed.

In my opinion, the possession of a pot seed doesn't rise to
legal level of first-degree murder. But, hey, that's just
me. :)

There's hemp seeds in bird seed. In a lab test they have been determined to be a prohibited substance.

35 posted on 09/21/2002 6:32:50 PM PDT by Zon
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To: Libloather
As far as anyone can tell, not ONE person has been placed behind bars for smoking pot.

Well, in 72 and 73 I assure you a half dozen guys spent at least a few days in the stockade almost every time I had Charge of Quarters duty and once when I was SGT of the Guard.

That does not include the guy who got high and took his bayonet to the helicopter. He spent a couple of days in the hospital (should have awaited a SOG with a better sense of humor), a few in the stockade and 3-5 in Levenworth.

36 posted on 09/21/2002 6:33:22 PM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon
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To: Zon
Under his administration thousands of people were imprisoned for doing what he did.

Perjury? Thousands? List 'em...

37 posted on 09/21/2002 6:33:45 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Senator Pardek
Why is everyone having such a hard time answering simple questions this evening?

I'm guessing it's because of the wine. What kind are you having?

38 posted on 09/21/2002 6:35:56 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Texasforever
If and when the Feds let states regain control over their approach to drugs, y'all may be in for rude shock.

Hmmm.

39 posted on 09/21/2002 6:36:34 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
I assure you a half dozen guys spent at least a few days in the stockade almost every time I had Charge of Quarters duty and once when I was SGT of the Guard. That does not include the guy who got high and took his bayonet to the helicopter. He spent a couple of days in the hospital (should have awaited a SOG with a better sense of humor), a few in the stockade and 3-5 in Levenworth.

Was the charge - smoking pot?

40 posted on 09/21/2002 6:37:57 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather
Stupid question - or stupid answer?

Stupid question.
No doubt about it...stupid question.
In fact, just about the most stupid question I have seen in 5 years of reading FR.

Did ClassyGreenEyedBlonde steal your password?

41 posted on 09/21/2002 6:38:11 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Libloather
Robert Mitchum.

You did say "ever."
42 posted on 09/21/2002 6:38:13 PM PDT by Heyworth
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To: Senator Pardek
You're right. I did forget about that. Bill it-depends-on what-is-is Clinton has an excuse for everything,,, but his existence.
43 posted on 09/21/2002 6:38:19 PM PDT by Zon
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To: Libloather
My brother was- but that's only because he chose to smoke pot and then drive his motorcycle into a police car. Dumbass.
44 posted on 09/21/2002 6:39:39 PM PDT by rintense
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To: Libloather
Perjury? Thousands? List 'em...

During the impeachment hearings, there were people identified as being in prison because of perjury. And not just perjury, but perjury because of lieing about sex in court. Mostly divorce cases.

45 posted on 09/21/2002 6:39:43 PM PDT by Incorrigible
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To: eddie willers

PS. Are you for real?

He thinks he is. Go figure.

47 posted on 09/21/2002 6:39:47 PM PDT by Zon
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To: Zon
There's hemp seeds in bird seed.

Your argument gets much stronger from here - no?

48 posted on 09/21/2002 6:40:09 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: eddie willers
How much must you have in your possesion to fire up one joint?
49 posted on 09/21/2002 6:41:55 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Libloather
Was the charge - smoking pot?

So far as I know, but remember the Army has rules that differ from US law. OH, I assume you understand the helio freek had charges a mile long.

50 posted on 09/21/2002 6:41:57 PM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon
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