Skip to comments.HAITIANS AND THE FREE STATE PROJECT
Posted on 11/02/2002 9:11:20 AM PST by madfly
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You stated a preference for Delaware, from their site the early polls show New Hampshire in the lead unofficially at this time. For me either is convenient and good for business but Idaho doesn't so sound bad to me. No matter where it is as long as it's free I'll be happy to call it home.
I don't doubt they do.
"As far as population, it would have to under 1.5 million. They looked at many other factors such as amount spent on political campaigns, freedom orientated populace and other variables."
If the "FSP" worked, it'd be destroyed by the "powers-that-be" who're for a lack of better description, some absolutely evil, freedom-hating, power-hungry SOBs.
"At first I thought this was a pipe dream, but the more I look at it and the further it progresses, the more it seems not only workable, but a good idea."
I'd agree it's a fabulous idea; but, while it may not be a "pipe dream" it is nonetheless, a dream. -IMO-
"This is not succession by any means..."
But it wouldn't take long after that many like-minded people were thrown together, with a federal leviathon sure to usurp their will?
Succession would be precisely what would be attempted as an end result; make no mistake about that, either.
(I mean, there's another FSP thread started & the "constitutional scholars" -- both 'Pubbie & Libertarian -- have already gathered to commence their word games; the corruption of this idea has already begun, my friend. ~Already.)
"...and they're not looking for separatists or violent types in any way."
If this ever were implimented -- in any existing state -- one wouldn't have long to wait before that's all there'd be.
That is: one wouldn't be there to begin with unless they were "seperatist" minded & once after they'd gone that far & the fed leviathon were to inevidably screw with 'em??
They may not have been violent upon arrival but would sure in the hell become violent, afterwards.
"This is a legal and viable idea."
The idea's a wonderful thought though; make no mistake about it.
The evil bastards, I'm afraid, have taken such an attempt into account in their *plan* I gotta believe; and, I'm sure have some kind of contingency plan at the ready.
I'd bet you dollars to donuts the worms are wondering why no one's done something like this by now, already.
Now in my daydreams?
I envision taking back what was once ours to begin with; while, rounding-up the evil bastards responsible for having took it away?
To be summarily hung with a short piece of rope from the limb of a sour apple tree.
...that's what I've been dreaming about.
Check out this guy's article.
I thought it simply superb.
...maybe you will enjoy it, too.
LOL and FReegards...MUD
So here I sit.
..."broken-hearted, tried to shit but only farted." :o)
Of course, then again maybe there's no need to wait for that to happen.
The illegitimacy of, "Hate Thoughts," is already a reality, eh?
The only question then?
...is thinking of "freedom" really hateful?
Well think I'll try bed, now.
...bad news for *her*, too. ;^)
Of course not...then again, there's no harm in me explaining my opinion of why said ideas won't work...MUD
Very reminiscent of a cover of Stairway to Heaven, performed with an added drum solo.
Think *Memphis Minnie.*
I think you'll find that the old 3"-38 and 3-inch 50-caliber deck guns are pretty well out of service in the few hundred US Navy warships remaining, replaced among the current Perry class missile frigates and most of the destroyer and cruiser fleet, with Italian-design Oto-Melara Mark 75, 76mm semiauto cannon. They are also in service on the Coasties Hamilton and Famous class cutters.
As for the *deck mounted .50 caliber* MG, I think you meant rail-mounted, though the old Vietnam-era PBR and Swift boats did indeed use deck-mounted .50s, often on a tandam mount with an 81-mm mortar [a dandy weapon for firing illumination rounds, though such light patrol craft aren't really up to the task described.] And there are a couple of deck-mounts available for the M2 and other small arms; I had a fun job with the Naval Weapons Support Center at Crane in Indiana fitting such mounts on light patrol boats and Boston Whalers for the Salvadorians a few years back.
The initial *pilot program* has to be successful before anything similar could be effectively managed in one of the larger states- Alaska, California and Texas all being mentioned as future possibilities for several reasons, including their seaports, transportation hub infrastructure and international borders [both a curse and potential blessing- make lemonade!]
But any of those larger states would require a LOT more than 20K participants to get the job done; there are California congressional districts and cities where those numbers would scarcely make a dent. Prove that the concept can work first, as with Perot's *Reform* Party [that brought us Clinton's first term] or the successful candidacy of Governor Jesse Ventura in Minnesota, and you'll have the 2x4 with which to get the donkey's attention. And the elephant's.
I agree that they'll try, but some creative annoyances and interruptions might distract them sufficiently to get the job done, though the initial FSP presentations of how the process might take place have been simplistic and Pollyannish to date.
But the example has been set by former US congressman Davy Crockett, who left his Tennesse home and farm- where too many of his loved ones were buried- and set off to build a new one in Texas. His parting words as he left Tennessee from the river town of Memphis remain valid for today's FSP porcupiners, as well.
Though I'm following the FSP activities with interest, I don't believe in putting all my eggs in one basket either. And as for the greedy and hateful power-brokers trying to forestall such dreams, I have lost fights before. But not when the other guy's pants were on fire.
Nicely put, Arch.
...& I do get it.
Has anyone decided on a state? How much (violent or otherwise) resistance do you guys predict from the feds?
See the link in my post #39. Some parameters and desiderata for a likely preferred state have been identified, but nothing's set in concrete at all yet.
Indeed, with about a tenth of the core group now on board, this is an excellent tiime for you to add in your two cents worth on which ones you think are most suitable or downright unworkable. If you're interested, whether to make *the big move* immediately once that big decision is made or not, climb right on the pile and join in.
I'm going to give it some time. I fully intend to fight like hell in my area to implement change. If I see this awful, creeping socialism continue to take root rendering my efforts futile, the FSP is something I fully intend on undertaking. I don't care if it's 5,000 or 5,000,000 people participating.
I refuse to leave this earth without a chance of having my children know freedom. I won't have their lives destroyed by the sickness that's infected our society.
For God's sake, a human being has the right to be left alone, to grow and prosper and live a moral life. It's becoming increasingly clear that this will soon be impossible.
Stay Safe !
If any politicians or lawyers want to join our happy crew, let 'em man the oars. We can always throw them to the sharks just before we hit shore.
Indeed. I put a lot of effort in the last presidential campaign here in Tennessee in hopes that a defeat of Al Gore in his home state [and home county] would have an effect on the later voting in California. I should have known they'd find a means to avoid releasing the embarassing info until that wasn't much of a factor.
What I hadn't counted on was the Florida voting challenge, with a critical number of electoral votes in the balance. Had Gore taken Tennessee, he'd have had enough electoral votes that the brouhaha in Florida wouldn't have mattered, so we did the right thing, if for the wrong reason. And Gore carried neither his home state, his home county, nor his home voting precinct.
So don't give up on your efforts at home, nor your hope for improvement in the South. Indeed, one of the reasons I've held off from climbing on the FSP project bandwagon for as long as I have has been the fact that their target states with the best potential for success are mostly in the West and Northeast, with none in the South.
So the FSP is not the only egg in my basket either, but it's certainly a good egg to have in there. Neither do I particularly consider myself a Libertarian, but I reckon they'll do to have as neighbors.
Though New Hampshire is landlocked, and the freestaters would prefer to have their seaport access, just in case a little federal extortion to bring them back in line is tried. Neither does current New Hampshire law appear to support ballot initiatives, one tool which the new resident voters hope to avail themselves of to reinstitute governmentr as a servent of the electorate. New Hampshire's 1,235,000 population might also require more sizable numbers than the 20,000 initial prospectives required for the project to achieve success in some other states with a smaller population and lower number of registered voters. But we'll see.
I agree. The "large "L" libertarians are hard to get along with and their platform is goofy. The small "l" leaning types are kool. Either one however beats a liberal or a government loving RINO by a long shot.
Your point about the size of the indigenous popluation is a valid consideration however one positive aspect is that New Hampshire's population is not, for the most part, of the same statist, liberal mind set as Vermont's or Mass.'s, yet.
Maybe you should move to Utah.....
Looks like it.
Very cool ...
Without a doubt, having children and rearing them yourself is probably the single most terrifying act of rebellion one can wage against the Machine.
I'll keep you and your future family in my prayers.
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