Posted on 11/06/2002 5:34:44 AM PST by logic101.net
TIME FOR AN END TO THE CONSERVATIVE INFIGHTING MARK A SITY 11/6/02
When WI taxpayers burden skyrockets, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When Milwaukee and the surrounding area are saddled with a light rail system few want, and no one will ride, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When caps on property taxes are removed, and property taxes skyrocket, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When welfare reform is de-reformed in WI, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When public schools in WI get even worse, and the public school teachers get huge raises, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When WI residents find their rights to defend themselves against criminals who break into their homes weakened, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When companies leave WI, or decide not to set up shop here due to our repressive tax structure, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When Gov Jim "bingo" Doyle rewards his contributors, at the expense of the taxpayers (as he has a history of doing), we have Ed Thompson to thank.
Who is Ed Thompson? Ed is the brother of Tommy, our former governor; the current HHS Secretary. Ed was the Libertarian candidate for governor in WI. Ed gave the Governor's Mansion to Bingo Jim by getting 10% of the vote. Governor McCallum lost the election by only 3%. Thanks Ed.
IL can say much the same for Cal Skinner. I don't know how much of the vote Cal got, but it is likely that Jim Ryan would have won there rather than the Democrat were it not for Cal. One good thing for WI residents over IL residents; at least we can pronounce and spell Bingo Jim's name. I won't even try either for the IL Governor Elect!
Let's keep in mind that Libertarians and Republicans are generally going in the same direction. True, the Republicans don't want to go as far as Libertarians, and there are some very contrary views. However, both generally want a smaller federal government that is less intrusive. Democrats on the other hand want bigger and bigger government. They want hand outs. They want dependency. They want Socialism rather than freedom! They want gun control rather than criminal control. They want ignorant sheeple rather than an informed, educated self-dependent population. I prefer much of the Libertarian agenda to that of the Republicans, but I find the Democrat agenda totally repulsive. Libertarians often hand elections to the Democrats, by taking away conservative leaning votes. When a Libertarian candidate's message resonates with the public; Democrats win! A Democratic win doesn't help Republicans, Libertarians, or Constitutionalists! It sets back all of our causes. It is well past time for Libertarians and Republicans to get together to defeat the common enemy. We can work out our differences later; let's get rid of the common threat first! As far as my views; neither Libertarians nor Republicans go far enough; I am a Constitutionalist! Yet, I generally vote Republican; I'm a realist. When we break the stranglehold of the left, then we can fight each other; but let's fight each other on our terms, not theirs!
Now, as far as Ed Thompson goes; well I have to steal a line from one of my favorite movies (They Call Me Trinity). I'm not mad at Ed, I'm mad at his ma. She should have strangled him, or at least drown him when he was born.
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Ahem, the federal income tax robbery. Of course you are correct about choosing not to pay it. Whoops they take it automatically by law. Umm maybee your not right about my choice to disobey.
You think that the right to swim in a public swimming pool comes from Harry Browne?
Read a book.
Answer the question.
Oh, there are plenty of people who have figured out how to drop out of the tax scheme and pay nothing. Some of them are in jail. Most aren't. I'm sure you're smart enough to figure out how drop out, e.g., lie on some forms, steal someone else's identity, invent bogus indentities etc. I wouldn't advise it, but you may still use your free will to give it the old college try.
Another free luncher bumper sticker slogan?
"All Property, indeed, except the Savage's temporary Cabin, his Bow, his Matchcoat, and other little Acquisitions, absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the Creature of public Convention. Hence the Public has the Right of Regulating Descents, and all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the Quantity and the Uses of it. All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it." -- Benjamin Franklin to Robert Morris
Am I really "free" to do this? A simple review of the tax code would give me a five minute answer on my "freedom" to do it.
Thompson wasn't elected. The Democrat rated F by the NRA was, with a little help from his comrades in the LP.
He was entitled to the vote of every honest, clear-thinking, mature libertarian who was committed to keeping the liberal democrat candidate out of office.
Now, you do the math. You know your crowd.
Your right Alan it is. I'm out of here for an hour or two. Keep up the good work.
If any of them actually were deluded enough to believe the the LPer would be elected, then they were very useful idiots for the Democrat.
If there are no honest, clear-thinking, mature libertarians committed to keeping the liberal democrat out of office, just say so and get it over with.
No one is entitled to votes. Only Kevin Curry would claim such an entitlement.
2. No one is entitled to votes.
The Republican failed to earn the votes he wasn't entitled to?
You're spinning like a dervish.
Answer the question.
You have supported such insanity. Can you honestly critique CJ's ideology and identify very real and serious flaws within it? Or are you simply another shallow-thinking zealot, kevin, -- an idiot wheezing platitudes from a soapbox?
As a Christian I believe the world is fundamentally broken and all these travails you list are a consequence of sin.
A strange sort of vengeful Christ you fellas believe in. But so be it.
I also believe I must function as best as I can within a broken world, and that our Constitutional Republic is best suited of all flawed political inventions to allowing the greatest amount of meaningful freedom in a broken world. I can easily and comfortably defend both beliefs honestly, consistently, and simultaneously.
No, kevin, you do not. - You urge that we pass unconstitutional laws to deal with all the 'sin' you imagine is being brought upon us.
I also believe as a Christian that a libertarian society is only truly well suited to conservative Christians such as myself. Conversely, I do not believe it is presently suited to America as a whole or to atheists in particular. As long as atheists champion libertarianism in existing circumstances, I want no part of it.
Delusional. You see yourself as above others solely because of your faith. This in itself is an unchristian hubris.
I am discerning and savvy enough to see that the flowering of atheist libertarianism has coincided with the rise of sexual promiscuity, abortion, pornography, AIDS and other STDs, the disintegration of the traditional family, and the rise of the nanny state.
All the 'sins' that CJ listed above, plus your list here, you blame upon "atheist libertarianism"?
Good grief, -- I didn't realise we libertarians were this millennial old evil force! - Obviousy, kevin, we are not. Your rants do not make it so.
The nanny state is the ultimate consequence of these evils--indeed, it is the necessary consequence of the self-worshipping hedonistic "man is measure of all things" atheist libertarian ethic.
No such "ethic", kevin. You do rave on tho, kiddo.
The alternative is anarchy, which the nation as a whole will likely never accept. There is a mid-point between total nanny statism and anarchy on that spectrum of political action, and it is where we are now: passing more and more laws in a vain and desperate attempt to impose discipline on hedonist adult-children externally to compensate for their total lack of self-discipline internally. We cannot stay at that point. It is fundamentally unstable. We must and will fall toward total nanny statism or anarchy. The trend is already established. It is toward total nanny statism.
Yes kevin, and this insanity is being goaded on by fools like you, and your faction here at FR.
Catch 22, you are too insane to see it is your own mania to "impose disipline" that is creating the fall of our free republic.
Now, I don't savor the destination one bit. But it is where feckless libertines and the liberal democrats are jointly taking us. Libertarians rage and rave against the nanny state, but they themselves are directly responsible for its ascendance. They want the untrammeled freedom to engage in destructive personal childish self-indulgent behaviors that impose enormous external costs on others, but they they become angry when they are treated like children by fellow citizens or the state. Their feeble protestations to the contrary, they want freedom without consequence. In short, they want license.
Bizzare. You blame us for the "sin" you feel must be punished by creating a socialist state.
In sum, I place about the same amount of trust in atheists to implement workable libertarianism as I do in Democrats to manage my personal property.
In sum, you wish to destroy our constitutional repubic to save it from 'sin'.
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