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Can You Help America?
Self ^ | 11/30/2002 | B4Ranch

Posted on 11/30/2002 8:03:21 AM PST by B4Ranch

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101 posted on 11/30/2002 3:09:50 PM PST by B4Ranch
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102 posted on 11/30/2002 3:11:21 PM PST by B4Ranch
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Please forgive my error in #101. Just ignore it. LOL
103 posted on 11/30/2002 3:15:02 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: A Marine; abnegation; artisan001; Barak; Billy Dixon; Brodyaga; BullDog108; Camber-G; ...
HELP!

I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America
and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

(citizens!)

The flag is the symbol of our national unity, our national endeavor, our national aspiration.

104 posted on 11/30/2002 3:30:36 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: B4Ranch
Simple, cut off welfae payments to immigrants who haven't worked a ceartin amount of quaters and paid into the tax system. Problem is, it will never happen, it makes too much sense.
105 posted on 11/30/2002 3:32:36 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: B4Ranch
In this Texan's opinion, I don't think that more military will help.

When people are willing to risk their lifes to get in this nation, the problem will never be solved by simply trying to get them out. Same with the drug problem. As long as people desire the drug, it is going to find it's way over here.

Where is the solution? Look to Canada. Why don't we need massive military forces to keep them out?

I think the solution is in helping Mexico to be a truly free nation, rid of corruption. Help empower the Mexican citizens to oust all the corrupt government officials. Promote valid elections. Help Fox, as we all ready are, to clean up ranks from the top.

A truly free Mexico with a flourishing economy is the only solution. And by observing the Mexican people's desire to live as an American, it won't be that difficult to get them motivated to force change.
106 posted on 11/30/2002 3:36:16 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: F16Fighter
Did you read post # 52?
108 posted on 11/30/2002 3:46:23 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: Texaggie79
I am not asking our government to do a damn thing! I don't want them to supply military forces, money, or anything else. I just want them to get the hell out of the way and let thwe citizens handle the problem. We are in this situation BECAUSE of government policies. Please take a look at Post #52. All that is required is an sheriff who cares about his kids and grandkids future and has some balls. Remember when Sheriff Mack told the Feds that he wouldn't support the Brady Bill? There have been three sheriffs who have stood up against the feds. Why? Because the sheriff is the top LEO in his/her county. With citizen support he can do just about what ever he feels like when it comes to enforcing laws.
109 posted on 11/30/2002 3:52:21 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: Fred Mertz
I'll bet $50 a head would do quite a bit. No use offering top rewards for parasites, wait until we get to the fighters, then start raising the reward.
110 posted on 11/30/2002 3:57:36 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: Fred Mertz
I like that idea, except I think $1,000 isn't enough.
111 posted on 11/30/2002 4:13:20 PM PST by MistyCA
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To: Aliska
Yup....you are very right, imo. I understand your frustration.
112 posted on 11/30/2002 4:15:08 PM PST by MistyCA
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To: B4Ranch; wirestripper
B4Ranch: Your ideas were great. My employers demand three things from applicants--a valid ID (driver's license or state ID only), a Social Security card, and a birth certificate. This is legal in my state. All employers do it. And we have virtually no illegals. I'd say that alone helps.

wirestripper: You had some great ideas, too. I don't think the country would have to reinstate the draft to get young people to go defend the borders. Many, like myself, would gladly volunteer.
113 posted on 11/30/2002 4:21:19 PM PST by Morrigan
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To: #3Fan; 24Karet; <1/1,000,000th%; A.J.Armitage; AD from SpringBay; AeWingnut; AF68; agatsu; ...
HELP!

115 posted on 11/30/2002 4:25:57 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: Morrigan
Can you modify our ideas to make your state "Illegal Alien Free"? I don't mean just the Mexicans, I mean every nationality that is here illegally.
116 posted on 11/30/2002 4:28:50 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: John Lenin
How many people would have to roust your city council and the Mayor to get them to understand that idea? Could you find some other folks who think the way you do and accomplish the task?
117 posted on 11/30/2002 4:33:34 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: wirestripper
Yes, I think you may be right....however, I am currently in Minnesota and I see another thing happening here that I think is just as shocking. I have NEVER seen so many Somali people in my life! The University Hospital and other places are full of them. The Cab companies have been taken over, it seems. And my uncle had his heart attack the very day that a city inspector came to tell him that he needed to cut his grass (which, btw, had just been cut!). The gentleman could barely speak english, was difficult to understand, and outraged my uncle when he told him how his grass should be cut! Of course, this is Minneapolis...liberals rule and stupidity is prospering. What I do not understand about this is the fact that becoming a city inspector is not something that is necessarily easy to do. So how can someone who doesn't hardly know the language get that job????? But that's another subject. :)
119 posted on 11/30/2002 4:38:32 PM PST by MistyCA
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To: Spiff
This could be a grass-roots citizen based organization that makes a whole lot of noise. I like your post. :)
120 posted on 11/30/2002 4:55:15 PM PST by MistyCA
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To: citizenK
"taxed to the point of theft and regulated to the point of harassment."

Standing and cheering on that note! You are sooo right! Evidenced by my uncle's heart attack when he was being harrassed. I said it was because of his grass, but that is not the only thing they complained about. My uncle has classic cars and the city TOWED all of them off his private property in the middle of the night!!! Why? Because they said they were inoperable...in various stages of renewal. One simply had the tires off because the brake drums were in the shop being reground! You talk about regulating people to the point of harrassment, I have NEVER in my life seen anything so ridiculous as what I saw here in Minneapolis! There were feeders on the ground for little creatures that roam around the area. On his private property! He was told that he could not have them! There were metal trash cans set against the side of the garage for the purpose of allowing the tenants a place to RECYCLE plastic, cans, etc. He was told that they could not be there because they were an eye-sorer! For God's sake! This was in my uncle's backyard where it is no one's damn business, imo! It is private property NOT IN VIEW OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC!

Uhhhh....now you have got me going! LOL...and I haven't even finished reading what you wrote yet! :) I'll be back, I'm sure. :)

121 posted on 11/30/2002 5:09:02 PM PST by MistyCA
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To: F16Fighter; citizenK
I agree!
122 posted on 11/30/2002 5:09:57 PM PST by MistyCA
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To: wirestripper
True. JIMRob said that he is trying to get in touch with John so it can be fixed. Should be later this evening.
123 posted on 11/30/2002 5:11:30 PM PST by MistyCA
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To: B4Ranch
"Did you read post # 52?"

Yes, and you present some viable solutions to illegal immigration IF our government actually cared about about preserving American sovreignty. It's crystal clear they don't. Not when invaders are welcomed with open arms, and massive Third World immigration is encouraged regardless of any expection to assimilate AS "Americans". A "war" of sorts has indeed been waged against the United States -- and the net result?

We shall all be "World" citizens -- Or even perhaps "sponsored" by a a multi-national corporation. With NO borders, NO alligiances, and NO traditions. Welcome to Stage I of our 'New World Order indoctrination'...

124 posted on 11/30/2002 5:12:34 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: B4Ranch; AntiJen
Hey! Can I borrow your ping list?????
125 posted on 11/30/2002 5:12:46 PM PST by MistyCA
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To: B4Ranch
You might as well forget the pings until JR gets the comments section of our posts fixed. :(
126 posted on 11/30/2002 5:14:23 PM PST by MistyCA
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To: B4Ranch; madfly; Sabertooth; FreedomFriend; WRhine
I'm here. I'm pissed. I'm angry. I want this crap to stop.

What if we all emailed Karl Rove and President Bush on a certain day? Or phoned their office on a certain day?
127 posted on 11/30/2002 5:16:00 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: B4Ranch; Rheo; carenot; Victoria Delsoul; JohnHuang2; HiJinx; SassyMom; SpookBrat; SAMWolf; ...
OK....I hope the ping thingy is fixed soon.....this is a very good thread. Doing my part to ping the Citizenry!
128 posted on 11/30/2002 5:16:56 PM PST by MistyCA
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To: Aliska
"And I'm not sure it is morally ethical to keep them out"

Is it morally ethical to throw away the future of your children?
129 posted on 11/30/2002 5:22:28 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: B4Ranch
Bump for later reading.
130 posted on 11/30/2002 5:22:56 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: MistyCA
I took me a bit to get back here, I have been getting frustrated with the lack of the comment server.

Somalis have been getting prefered treatment lately it seems. I'll tell you a little secret, "they go where the welfare dollar is the highest!"

That is why they flock to Mn,NY,NJ and Maine has a major influx. Kinda funny when you consider the difference in the weather!!!!

Citizen K had a very good post. That one is a keeper for sure.

131 posted on 11/30/2002 5:29:34 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: wirestripper; citizenK; Rheo; carenot; Victoria Delsoul; JohnHuang2; HiJinx; SassyMom; SpookBrat; ..
~ ~ ~ ~ THE ANT AND THE GRASSHOPPER ~ ~ ~ ~

THE CLASSIC VERSION:

The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs, and dances, and plays the summer away.

Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed. Grasshopper has no food or shelter, so he dies out in the cold.

THE MODERN VERSION:

The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks he's a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.

Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others are cold and starving.

CBS, NBC and ABC show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food.

America is stunned by the sharp contrast. How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?

Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper, and everybody cries when they sing..."It's Not Easy Being Green."

Jesse Jackson stages a demonstration in front of the ant's house where the news stations film Jesse's group singing..."We shall overcome." Jesse then has the group kneel down to pray to God for the grasshopper's sake.

Al Gore exclaims in an interview with Peter Jennings that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and calls for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his "fair share."

Finally, the EEOC drafts the EEAGA, "Economic Equity and Anti-Grasshopper Act," retroactive to the beginning of the summer.

The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs, and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the government.

Hillary gets her old law firm to represent the grasshopper in a defamation suit against the ant. The case is tried, before a panel of federal judges that Bill appointed from a list of single-parent welfare recipients.

The ant loses the case.

The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits of the ant's food, while the government house he is in, which just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around him because he doesn't maintain it.

The ant has disappeared in the snow.

The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident and the house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the once peaceful neighborhood.

MORAL OF THE STORY:

************************************ ********VOTE REPUBLICAN ********


132 posted on 11/30/2002 5:42:58 PM PST by MistyCA
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To: B4Ranch
Bump
133 posted on 11/30/2002 5:46:24 PM PST by SCalGal
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To: F16Fighter
As a military man does the word defeat with a fight fit in your flight bag?
134 posted on 11/30/2002 5:52:51 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: citizenK; B4Ranch
What can we do?

1) We must recognize what is, and what has been, happening to our country with respect to the rise of socialism in America during the 20th Century.

2) We must vociferously demand tax reduction, reform of the tax system, deregulation, and the restoration of property rights.

3) We must bring an end to the effectiveness of class warfare in politics with the inculcation of the American Dream and the American way of life based on the supremacy of the individual and individual rights, self-reliance, personal responsibility, independence, and freedom.

4) We must advocate adherence to the limitations placed upon government by the Constitution, and we must do so by holding politicians accountable, both in terms of elections and in public relations, when they demonstrate their contempt for the Constitution.

5) We must seek out and elect better leaders by effectively changing the political discourse and taking command of the terms of political debate and the ground upon which political debate occurs.

6) Finally, we must dismantle the welfare state and the government largess of socialism by advocating and promoting the very real and honest truth that alternatives to government exist. We don't need big government, subsidies, tax breaks, and the sanction of the political elite where it comes to addressing the regulation of the market economy and other social problems that make up the bulk of our everyday life experience.     America's brand of socialism is a.k.a. corporatism

Touché CK!   What a great thread B4!

135 posted on 11/30/2002 6:18:29 PM PST by GirlShortstop
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To: GirlShortstop
You put a lot of good thought into that post. Thanks. It's very nicely done! :)
136 posted on 11/30/2002 6:33:44 PM PST by MistyCA
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To: B4Ranch
bump to the top.
137 posted on 11/30/2002 6:35:10 PM PST by glock rocks
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To: MistyCA
ROFLMAO! You would think that all ants would be republican. I have some theories regarding that question.

I must now catch up on about thirty posts. The pingy thingy is now working.

138 posted on 11/30/2002 6:39:51 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: MistyCA
Bump.
139 posted on 11/30/2002 6:42:57 PM PST by SAMWolf
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To: B4Ranch
BTTT for later
140 posted on 11/30/2002 6:45:29 PM PST by Bradís Gramma
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To: B4Ranch
Gotcha, bro. Thanks for the ping. I'm working it for all I'm worth on this end.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

141 posted on 11/30/2002 6:46:25 PM PST by wku man
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To: wirestripper
LOL...yup....just found a ton of pings myself! :)))
142 posted on 11/30/2002 6:49:56 PM PST by MistyCA
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To: SAMWolf
Thanks, Sam!
143 posted on 11/30/2002 6:50:12 PM PST by MistyCA
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To: Aliska
"And I'm not sure it is morally ethical to keep them out, even though I don't like what is happening in this country."

Why is it morally ethical to enforce our borders? Why is it morally ethical to prevent lawbreakers from breaking the law?

--Boris

144 posted on 11/30/2002 6:53:42 PM PST by boris
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To: boris
I meant "why is it not morally ethical"...sorry.
145 posted on 11/30/2002 6:54:10 PM PST by boris
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To: B4Ranch
Link

Plyler vs. Doe
1982
- A Summary -

In 1982, the Supreme Court ruled in Plyler v. Doe , 457 U.S. 202 (1982), that public schools were prohibited from denying immigrant students access to a public education. The Court stated that undocumented children have the same right to a free public education as U.S. citizens and permanent residents. Undocumented immigrant students are obligated, as are all other students, to attend school until they reach the age mandated by state law.

Public schools and school personnel are prohibited under Plyler from adopting policies or taking actions that would deny students access to education based on their immigration status.

Based on the Supreme Court's ruling, public school districts should consider the following practices in working with ELL students:

School officials may not require children to prove they are in this country legally by asking for documents such as green cards, citizenship papers, etc. They may only require proof that the child lives within the school district attendance zone, just as they might for any other child.

Schools should be careful of unintentional attempts to document students' legal status which lead to the possible "chilling" of their Plyler rights.

The following school practices are prohibited:

• Barring access to a student on the basis of legal status or alleged legal status.

• Treating students disparately for residency determination purposes on the basis of their undocumented status.

• Inquiring about a student's immigration status, including requiring documentation of a student's legal status at initial registration or at any other time.

• Making inquiries from a student or his/her parents which may expose their legal status.

Federal Program Requirements - Federal education programs may ask for information from parents and students to determine if students are eligible for various programs, such as Emergency Immigrant Education. If that is the case, schools should ask for voluntary information from parents and students or find alternative ways of identifying and documenting the eligibility of students. However, schools are not required to check or document the immigrant status of each student in the school or of those students who may be eligible for such programs. The regulations do not require alien registration numbers or documentation of immigration status.

Social Security Numbers - Schools should not require students to apply for Social Security numbers. If schools decide to pass out Social Security registration forms to assist the Social Security Administration, they must tell parents and students, in appropriate languages, that the application forms are merely a service and it is up to the parents and students whether the applications are actually filed. They should stress that schools will not monitor the filing of these applications. Additionally, schools should not require any student to supply a social security number.

School Lunch Programs - In order to qualify for Free or Reduced Lunch Programs, all applicants are required to furnish either of the two following types of information: Social Security numbers of all household members over the age of 21, should they have one. For all household members above the age of 21 who do not have a Social Security number, an indication of the application that he or she does not possess one. If a student or household members over the age of 21 do not have a Social Security number, "none" should be written in that space or another identifying number could be assigned by the school.

Parents and students should be reminded that the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA) prohibits any outside agency, including the Immigration and Naturalization Services (INS), from getting this information without obtaining permission from the student's parents or a valid court order.

School lunch programs are interested in determining household income, not in determining a student's legal status.

Communication with INS - Any communication to INS initiated by a school or school official concerning a specific student is prohibited. If parents and/or students have questions about their immigration status, school personnel should refer them to legal service organizations, immigrant rights organizations, or local immigration attorneys. They should not advise immigrants to go directly to INS offices without first getting proper advice from an attorney or immigrant rights advocate.

Requests for information by INS - School personnel are prohibited from cooperating with INS in any way that may jeopardize an immigrant students' right of access (with the exception of the administration of F-1 and J-1 visas). INS requests for information can only be released upon the presentation of a valid subpoena. All school personnel should be advised of this policy. If a subpoena is presented, it may be advisable to check with an attorney to properly check into the validity of the subpoena.

Requests by INS to enter a school - School personnel should not cooperate with INS in any manner that jeopardizes immigrant students and their right of access. The school principal should meet with INS officials in the front office with a credible witness present, deny the INS officials consent, and request to see a legal warrant. If a warrant is presented, the principal should determine that it:

Lists the school by its correct name and address
Lists students by name
Be signed by a judge
Be less than ten days old
Be served by an INS officer with proper identification.

To protect other students in the school, the principal should bring the INS officials to the office and request that they remain there while the named student(s) is brought to them. The principal should immediately inform the Superintendent and school attorney.

School District Personnel should always consult an attorney to clarify their duties and responsibilities under Plyler. This document is intended solely for guidance.

Source:

"Immigrant Students: Their Legal Right of Access to Public Schools. A Guide for Advocates and Educators" by John Willshire Carrera, Esq. National Coalition of Advocates for Students. Boston MA

146 posted on 11/30/2002 7:03:30 PM PST by boris
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To: boris
BTW, my recollection of the above (Plyler vs Doe) was that the school district was actually bussing Mexican children across the border every day to attend taxpayer-funded schools in Texas...
147 posted on 11/30/2002 7:05:08 PM PST by boris
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To: citizenK
That was an excellent, well thought-out post. Unfortunately I don't think what you propose will work any longer. There is no turning back the clock. The system is snowballing.

There is no way to get good people in government any more. Most of the well-educated are leftists. Most of the politicians haven't lived in the real world since they were born. There is no way in hell an unknown can be elected even with money and connections.

Rather than talking about fixing things, we ought to be focussed on how to get through the changes being imposed upon us.

The government is no longer run of the people, by the people and for the people. The government bows to special interest groups and we shouldn't have meddled in foreign affairs to the extent we have done.

If the government listened to the people, we wouldn't have gotten into this mess because the American people would have wanted immigration drastically curtailed.

148 posted on 11/30/2002 7:28:03 PM PST by Aliska
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To: B4Ranch
Carlos Olemedo of the National Council of Mexican Professionals (?) was on O'Reilly Factor squaring off against Colorado Congressman Tom Tancredo on the administrations plan to push amnesty for illegal aliens from Mexico. Olemedo was presenting the tired argument that the illegals are economically necessary and that rounding up and deporting millions of them would be inhumane.

Olamendi is the perfect spokesman for the Mexican amnesty lobby.... he's a bumbling moron who can't speak English well enough to understand what he's trying to say. A complete idiot. He's also a professional Mexican (a leech).

It would be nice to be able to repatriate this gaggle of despicable lawbreakers without anything going wrong, but that's impossible. They have to go, nevertheless..... whether they consider it "humane" or not. Lot's of Americans have been hurt by this invasion already.... just look at California and Arizona.

You have to remember that the vile Mexican government has been teaching their unskilled, uneducated minions to hate 'gringos' since 1848. This won't just go away because Bush's cattle-ranching buddy got elected on a campaign full of lies, will it? Not a chance. Round 'em up and move 'em out. And remember this treachery come 2004.



149 posted on 11/30/2002 7:33:04 PM PST by Tancredo Fan
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To: B4Ranch
Good luck fighting human will....
150 posted on 11/30/2002 7:45:31 PM PST by Texaggie79
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