Skip to comments.Can You Change America? Part 2
Posted on 12/08/2002 4:40:39 PM PST by B4Ranch
The majority of the replies to the original Can You Change America were repeated complaints about what our elected officials did, did not do, should do, or could do to clear up the nations illegal alien problem. This was well known history by amongst all of us. The solutions that were shared with us frequently rely on these same elected officials to aid us in the remedy.
1. An immediate moratorium on immigration waivers and new applications in the pipeline until major changes are made and the system re-vamped. (Intelligent)
2. Dismantle the welfare state, place restrictions on requirements to the Emergency Room srevices at our hospitals. (Necessary)
3. Cut off welfae payments to immigrants who haven't worked a ceartin amount of quaters and paid into the tax system. (Clever variation)
4. Pass law that landlords must check for documents before renting or selling , most now check credit, employment, etc. (Thoughtful)
5. Implement substantial fines (and revocation of tax incentives, if applicable) for employers who don't take reasonable steps to ensure they are hiring citizens. (Current unenforced law)
6. Place a bounty on each illegal (identified, turned in, and captured, not a " wanted dead or alive") (I like it)
7. Implement substantial fines (and revocation of tax incentives, if applicable) for employers who don't take reasonable steps to ensure they are hiring citizens. (I love it)
8. March on Washington. (Can be expensive for anyone who doesn't live in the area.)
9. Run for a state senate seat or state assembly seat. Can be done rather easily. yes, winning will take a lot of work but not a whole lot of money
10. Change the constitution so that kids born to illegal are not automatically citizens. (Good Luck)
11. In the federal election to be held on the first Tuesday of February, 2005, no person shall be allowed to vote unless they have proved their U.S. citizenship by providing an American passport, birth certificate, or naturalization papers to the registrar. (Good idea)
I guess my question is; What makes you continue to think that our leadership is going to aid in the dismantling of programs that they put in place. None of these programs came solely from the Democrats, nor were they solely supported by Democrats? More and more Republicans are walking to the left of center when it comes to these "undocumented migrants".
President Bush is refusing to discuss his policies with the voters on this subject. I think that he is holding off on implementing amnesty until the war with Iraq is finished or at least solidly underway. He could be afraid that we, the people will revolt by withdrawing our support for the war if he slams the door in our face refusing to acknowledge our opinions on illegal immigrants, immigration numbers, open borders, welfare policies, etc. The Enhanced Border Security Act of 2001 was a farce.
We have an environment where "personal responsibility" are dirty words.We can preserve our country. Fight political correctness mind control. Do not celebrate diversity when it means turning a blind eye to immorality, laziness, etc.
So, once again I will promote going against standard procedure and suggest that we the people show our independence by:
Forming local groups of 20 or more and going to every city and county council meeting protesting that our local law enforcement is not enforcing our local businessmen to obey INS hiring laws.
Asking for meetings with the local Chief of Police and the local Sheriff. Request information on local illegal alien crime statistics. Ask for law enforcement costs of illegal aliens. Ask for reports of INS non-cooperation and, of course, cooperation. Attempt to obtain historic records going back two decades. Don't accept six month waiting periods. Thirty days is sufficient for anything to be done in small cities.
Do not use any "immigration" name of this group. Example, call yourselves, " The Taxpayers of 'LOCAL NAME". It's difficult to call "Taxpayers of Jackson County" a racist title because every employed person in the County is a taxpayer. This will allow all political party members to feel welcome to join your group. Explain that the purpose of the group is to free the city and county of illegal alien law breakers and that you are attempting to get the local officials to enforce all of the laws , not selectively enforce those that will allow them to be re-elected.
Don't allow elected or appointed officials to direct the meeting into discussing one ethnic group. We are not attempting to deport just illegal Somalians or Hatians. Yes, the illegal Mexicans get most of the media coverage but you should not allow yourself to succumb to racist ideals. because you are attempting to erradicate all illegal alien lawbreakers from your communities. Stress this point at every meeting. Don't call Muslims, ragheads, Mexicans, wetbacks or any other derogatory name. This can only lead to failure on your part.
Ask to view the Oath of Office of each elected official in the city and county. Then design an award to be given to those who are upholding their Oaths of Office. Invite the press, make as large an affair out of it as possible.
Design a website. List local businesses that are hiring illegal aliens. Display a prominent post that you pass along all information in letters that give evidence of someone living or working in your community who is an illegal alien from any country in the world. Specifically suggest that people do not give their names unless they are willing to testify under oath before city and county boards.
Get on the local radio talk show as often as possible. If the owners, managers agree with us, then ask for a break in advertizing your website.
Hold marches in front of local companies that hire illegal aliens.
Stress the costs to your community of illegal aliens to every elected or appointed official and at every public meeting you speak at, every radio show that you can get a voice on.
Explain that we cannot absorb and adjust to this invasion. We cannot continue to take millions of un-educated and un-healthy migrants at the rate we now are. We must be able to screen these people and absorb them at a rate that does not create chaos.
Find someone who is unemployed and compare that person to an illegal alien in your community who is making a decent wage. Ask him/her if she would do that job for a lower wage. Perhaps just one dollar per hour less. Get on the radio with that person. Let them tell their story. we have 6% of our population currently unemployed! Are you one of these people?
We must advocate adherence to the limitations placed upon government by the Constitution, and we must do so by holding politicians accountable, both in terms of elections and in public relations, when they demonstrate their contempt for the Constitution.
It's what political movement is all about, and we have the best incentives, motives, and ideas behind us.
Do you have questions about the Immigration and Nationality Act? Look at the INS web page for answers.
The purpose of raising these issues amongst the local council members is to polarize the dissent and gain media attention. I am aware that without employment for illegal aliens we would not have an immigration problem. If we cannot induce our politicians to remove the golden cookie programs then we must shame businesses that employ these lawbreakers. If we can compel our law enforcement agencies into enforcing our laws this will, of course, aid in our mission.
I certainly do appreciate your views on this subject.
Just to clarify, I used the [sic] stuff to differentiate between the spelling errors in the qoutes and the spelling errors that are mine, (since I have a tendency to type too fast and hit reply too quickly.)
The purpose of raising these issues amongst the local council members is to polarize the dissent and gain media attention. I am aware that without employment for illegal aliens we would not have an immigration problem. If we cannot induce our politicians to remove the golden cookie programs then we must shame businesses that employ these lawbreakers.
How about something a little better targeted? Focus on the citizens we have now who are out of work, point out the displacement effect of cheap illegal labor. "Support American Workers" or some such type of campaign...? If you have to go to city hall or wherever to gain media attention, bringing that message is going to be a more effective "spin".
Where your method of "angry mob at City Hall complaining of illegal immigrants" will work is where it's more a crime issue, such as urban areas.
People should bring up LOCAL ISSUES, not national issues.
Would it help [any] if she were to go noisily?
...when ya go, ya go.
A former kindergarten teacher who has organized a 600-strong militia in Arizona will station 50 armed militia members on public land this weekend to "protect their country" against an invasion of illegal aliens, warning federal authorities including President Bush not to interfere.
"I dare the president of the United States to arrest Americans who are protecting their own country," said Chris Simcox, the teacher-turned-newspaper owner who has formed the Tombstone, Ariz., Militia. "We will no longer tolerate the ineptness of the government in dealing with these criminals and drug dealers.
"It is a monumental disgrace that our government is letting the American people down, turning us into the expendable casualties of the war on terrorism," he said.
Mr. Simcox, owner of the Tombstone Tumbleweed, said the armed militia members would patrol public land to detain illegal aliens every weekend until Mr. Bush puts U.S. troops on the border to stop the hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants coming into the state each year and the resulting vandalism of public and private land.
Federal and state lawmakers have targeted Mr. Simcox for hearings to determine if he has violated any laws in forming the armed militia organization and posting its members on private land to stop illegal aliens, smugglers and drug dealers.
The hearings are being sought by Rep.-elect Raul Grijalva, Arizona Democrat; Gov.-elect Janet Napolitano; current Arizona Gov. Jane Hull; and state Rep. Robert Cannell, Yuma Democrat, and are expected to focus on the Tombstone Militia and other civilian militia groups and citizen patrols that have sprung up along Arizona's border with Mexico.
Many of the militia and patrol members have expressed anger and frustration over the government's inability to stop the hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens coming into Arizona each year from Mexico.
Mr. Grijalva, who takes office in January, said he also intends to ask Attorney General John Ashcroft to investigate the Arizona militias and patrols, saying he feared the "potential for violence" along the border involving the civilian organizations.
"Armed civilian groups on the border contribute to an already fragile situation, and their rhetoric is very dangerous to the overall security of the region," Mr. Grijalva said. "We have a failed border policy, but the intrusion of armed militias certainly adds to the potential for violence.
"It's time Congress became involved and conduct hearings on a full range of critical border issues, including the militias, immigration reform and overall border policy," he said. "With the issue of vigilantism, the potential for that becoming something very ugly certainly exists."
The Arizona Legislature is expected to take up the matter when it returns for business in January, and the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights also has asked the Justice Department to investigate suspected "vigilante" activities in Arizona.
Arizona is home to more than a dozen known militia organizations.
About a third of the more than 1 million illegal aliens expected to be arrested this year by U.S. Border Patrol agents will be apprehended in southern Arizona, where they have migrated because of increased border enforcement in California and Texas.
The influx of illegal aliens has resulted not only in a glut of vandalism in Arizona, but to a rise in crime along the state's border with Mexico, authorities said.
Mr. Simcox challenged federal and state officials to "uphold the oath of office they took to protect America" from foreign enemies. He also said militia members who take part in the weekend patrol will not wear uniforms or camouflage, but will be armed with handguns no rifles to protect themselves.
"I've been out on the border for 10 months, and I can tell you that we have to be armed," he said, noting that citizen militias are necessary and legal.
"I am not afraid to carry this on to state lands that belong to every citizen. It's our land," he said. "I'm not afraid to step on that land and do the same thing, and I challenge my government to come and arrest me. We are not crazies, we're concerned citizens we are responsible people."
The first group of 50 was inducted and began a course of training on Saturday, which included a qualification that each seek and be issued a state concealed-weapons permit. Mr. Simcox told Tucson reporters last week the requirement would allow the militia to use the government to screen its volunteers, who would have to pass a felony background investigation and an FBI check.
I'm glad to see you are waiting around to see if someone else is going to fight for you.
The guy's got a pair of stones, is all I can say.
I sincerely fear for this solid citizen's future.
I truly do.
"Federal and state lawmakers have targeted Mr. Simcox for hearings to determine if he has violated any laws in forming the armed militia organization and posting its members on private land to stop illegal aliens, smugglers and drug dealers."
~& that's why I fear for the guy, too.
Don't address the PROBLEM; oh no-no-no...go after THE ONLY PERSON DOING SOMETHING!
Yes, the "Enemy most certainly is within," alright.
Make absolutely no mistake about that.
"The hearings are being sought by Rep.-elect Raul Grijalva, Arizona Democrat; Gov.-elect Janet Napolitano; current Arizona Gov. Jane Hull; and state Rep. Robert Cannell, Yuma Democrat, and are expected to focus on the Tombstone Militia and other civilian militia groups and citizen patrols that have sprung up along Arizona's border with Mexico."
There ya have it; they've clearly stated their intentions.
This poor guy's toast.
"Mr. Simcox challenged federal and state officials to 'uphold the oath of office they took to protect America" from foreign enemies.'"
So where have we all heard that before, huh?
We don't need no stinkin' oath!
In yo' face!
...wheels are *off*, children; all the way off.
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