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HS Lesbian Sues Over Locker Ban
NY Post ^ | 2002-12-18 | Reuters

Posted on 12/18/2002 6:23:47 AM PST by Lorenb420

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:10:44 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

December 18, 2002 -- LOS ANGELES - A 15-year-old student who was banned from the girl's locker room at her school because she is a lesbian filed a federal civil-rights lawsuit yesterday in a case that tests the rights of gay students.


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To: homeschool mama
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51 posted on 12/18/2002 7:45:59 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: homeschool mama
What on earth are you talking about? I made the point that there's a little more to the equation than "lesbian=physical attraction to all females", and that somehow means I think I'm a stud? By all means, explain the thought process...
52 posted on 12/18/2002 7:49:09 AM PST by truenospinzone
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To: homeschool mama
****I'm not saying that high school males should be able to dress with high school females because some of them are ugly. Just making a slightly off-topic point. ** **

Read your text. You don't see why I used sarcasm?

53 posted on 12/18/2002 7:50:33 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: homeschool mama
Males and females don't look at each other sexually in the same way. A lesbian is still a female.

And you're right; the article doesn't tell the whole story, so I'm not going to assume that the lesbian girl was making suggestive comments to the other girls, just like I'm not going to assume that these girls have been making rude comments to the lesbian and have singled her out to make her life a living hell, as some teenage girls are wont to do sometimes. We don't know, since the article doesn't say.

Let's just work with what limited info the article provides, shall we?

There are 2 lesbians who work in my office. If I had to undress in front of them, I wouldn't bat an eyelash, because they are both friendly women, easy to talk to, and I'm a grownup woman who isn't likely to fall apart under such conditions.
54 posted on 12/18/2002 7:52:22 AM PST by wimpycat
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To: wimpycat
**I'm a grownup woman who isn't likely to fall apart under such conditions. **

Recall your tender teen years. Would you have had a different reaction?

55 posted on 12/18/2002 7:54:34 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: Beelzebubba
Does that mean that if boys behave themselves, they can use the girls locker room too? On your second point, they should be banned from areas where heterosexuals would also be banned.

56 posted on 12/18/2002 7:55:06 AM PST by DonaldC
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To: homeschool mama
No, I don't, especially when I made the previous point that I don't labor under the false assumption that every female I encounter is attracted to me, so there's no reason to believe the same of homosexuals. I fail to see how pointing out that not every high schooler is attractive to every member of the opposite sex makes me a "putz". I assume you believed that I was saying that...actually, I have no idea what you assumed I was saying.
57 posted on 12/18/2002 7:56:17 AM PST by truenospinzone
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To: Lorenb420
Rosie O'Donnell has called for a C5A and will fly in, attempting to see why this girl was called on the carpet.
58 posted on 12/18/2002 7:56:17 AM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
.......guys getting together to kick the crap out of some homosexual.....
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We all know that this is the way our forebearers handled problems such as these. We almost universally (at least on the surface) reject these types of solutions. The left has told us what the acceptable boundries are, and continually reenforce our new beliefs by reminding us how evil and backward our ancestors were through their depiction in the modern media. It seems that none of us want to be seen handling problems like our grandfathers much less the founders.
59 posted on 12/18/2002 7:57:12 AM PST by JMP
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To: homeschool mama
Recall your tender teen years. Would you have had a different reaction?

Like I said, I never looked around the locker room to see if someone was looking at me and panting.

You recall your tender teen years and think about how you would react if you were told the other girls didn't want you around in the locker room. The lesbian, misguided female that she is, is still a teenager, too, and can be made to feel just as uncomfortable as any other girl.

60 posted on 12/18/2002 7:58:02 AM PST by wimpycat
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To: wimpycat
"The lesbian, misguided female that she is, is still a teenager, too, and can be made to feel just as uncomfortable as any other girl."

hehehe...that is kinda the idea. Making deviant groups uncomfortable is how society nudges them onto the right and proper path.
61 posted on 12/18/2002 8:01:40 AM PST by DonaldC
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To: truenospinzone
I never made that assumption.

You said high school males should be in the same locker room with girls because some of them were ugly. So with your logic, if all the girls were lovely it'd be okay? Sheesh. That's why I used sarcasm, toots.

62 posted on 12/18/2002 8:02:24 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: DonaldC
hehehe...that is kinda the idea. Making deviant groups uncomfortable is how society nudges them onto the right and proper path.

Individuality is great, as long as we all do it together.
63 posted on 12/18/2002 8:04:22 AM PST by BikerNYC
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To: okchemyst
You're just awful! :)
64 posted on 12/18/2002 8:05:22 AM PST by lsee
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To: wimpycat
Those choosing an alternative lifestyle use the victim approach but in reality have the power due to the PC crud.

One of our phys ed teachers was lesbian. She'd sit in her chair and watch the girls showering. Uncomfortable? You betcha.

65 posted on 12/18/2002 8:05:52 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: JMP
access to the shower room

You know, I have been wanting to cover tennis, when does Anna Kournikova come back to town?;-)


66 posted on 12/18/2002 8:06:20 AM PST by StriperSniper
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To: Beelzebubba
If the girl in question had not made an issue of it through her behavior how would anyone have known?

It's another case of "You have to accept me and my behavior whether you like it or not." Horse puckey.

67 posted on 12/18/2002 8:07:55 AM PST by jimt
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To: DonaldC
Well, if it makes you feel more of a man by picking on children, you go right ahead. I think she gets the message now anyway and will fly straight from now on....*snicker*.

What she'll get is a lawsuit that she'll likely win if there are no extenuating circumstances, reinforcing the gay-rights agenda, and further emboldening them to press on for even bigger and better things.

68 posted on 12/18/2002 8:08:12 AM PST by wimpycat
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To: wimpycat
There are 2 lesbians who work in my office.

How do you know? There are probably several people in my workplace who are gay, but they're smart enough to know it's their private business and others don't want to hear about it.

It works out well for everybody.

69 posted on 12/18/2002 8:12:20 AM PST by jimt
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To: homeschool mama
You said high school males should be in the same locker room with girls because some of them were ugly. So with your logic, if all the girls were lovely it'd be okay?

Again, I have absolutely no idea how you gleaned either of those statements from what I actually said, and I have a feeling that most of the people who read it actually understood the point I was making. I'd try to explain it to you furthur, but I have a feeling that attempting to have a rational, civil discourse with someone who uses words like "putz" and "toots" would just give me a headache.

70 posted on 12/18/2002 8:14:01 AM PST by truenospinzone
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To: wimpycat
When evil triumps, it is no less evil.

This is not a case of a man picking on children. This is a case where adults need to teach right and wrong to children, a process that has clearly failed for 40 years or more. So let's just give up and throw in the towel, let homosexuals have their way and next we can bring in pedophiles. Whey should they be made to feel bad!

This issue is not over just one girl. It is over the future of a society. Are we to allow anything and everything or are there boundaries? Where do we draw the line if not with homosexuals?
71 posted on 12/18/2002 8:18:21 AM PST by DonaldC
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To: jimt
I know because one of them was dating yet another lesbian at a different location.

Nobody talks about it, though. They're not activists at all, but they don't try to hide it, either. And they happen to be very good at their jobs.
72 posted on 12/18/2002 8:18:23 AM PST by wimpycat
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To: Lorenb420
I'm shocked that she was treated this way in a school in CALIFORNIA!!!
73 posted on 12/18/2002 8:19:05 AM PST by TakeitBack
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To: homeschool mama
Lots of blather, but what, exactly, is your solution to the problem? Should every school now be required to build FOUR locker rooms instead of two---one for boys, homosexual boys, girls, and lesbians---so that everyone can feel comfortable? Or perhaps it should be six, including the transgendered or transsexual of either "gender." Not exactly much of a "conservative" solution to the problem . . .

Homohaters create just as much trouble as liberals.

74 posted on 12/18/2002 8:19:07 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: DonaldC
I'm not telling you what should happen. I'm telling you what probably will happen.
75 posted on 12/18/2002 8:19:23 AM PST by wimpycat
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To: TakeitBack
Abolishment of government schools would solve this problem along with most other school problems cited on this forum.
76 posted on 12/18/2002 8:21:02 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: JMP
Heaven forbid the men of a neighborhood go and give the newly moved in "rehabilitated" sex-offender a "talking-to" about acceptable and unnacceptable behavior, and the consequences thereof ...

At least in my neighborhood, we are still allowed to run down street criminals on foot and knock them around a bit while waiting for the squad car to come. "Yeah officer? That big gash on the forehead of the mugger? That must have been when he tripped and fell into the curb. He only tripped eight or nine times ..."

77 posted on 12/18/2002 8:21:30 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Lorenb420
I think it's important to point out why there is a gender division in changing rooms in the first place - it has nothing to do with actual gender, it has to do with the fact that it is unseemly to even have the suggestion that a changing room is akin to a peep show. This separation presumes that modesty is still a virtue that people wish to preserve.

Having a gay or lesbian person in a locker room throws a curveball into the equation. While their gender is one way, the "peep show" element is another.

What would be most fair in this instance is to ask the other girls who have to change with her, if they are uncomfortable with this lesbian girl (though I take what a 15 year old has to say about anything with a grain of salt) seeing them change. After all, it is they who may have to deal with the possible hint of sexual attraction in the locker room that this girl's presence provides. If they're uncomfortable, out she goes, if not, leave it alone.

Regards, Ivan

78 posted on 12/18/2002 8:24:06 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: truenospinzone
***I'm not saying that high school males should be able to dress with high school females because some of them are ugly. Just making a slightly off-topic point.***

***Again, I have absolutely no idea how you gleaned either of those statements from what I actually said, and I have a feeling that most of the people who read it actually understood the point I was making. I'd try to explain it to you furthur, but I have a feeling that attempting to have a rational, civil discourse with someone who uses words like "putz" and "toots" would just give me a headache.***

Your original statement is hardly rational and civil discourse. Get a clue.

79 posted on 12/18/2002 8:24:26 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: DonaldC
bump
80 posted on 12/18/2002 8:25:10 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
I'm not a homohater, HG. Don't label me as such please.
81 posted on 12/18/2002 8:27:18 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: homeschool mama
I wrote "Homohaters create just as much trouble as liberals." I didn't write "homeschool mama is a homohater." But that's beside the point. What's your solution to this problem?

82 posted on 12/18/2002 8:29:23 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
And more to the point, wouldn't creating a separate locker room for homosexuals actually have the most likely chance of ending with high school teenagers who are attracted to each other being in a position to see each other nude? If the logic behind keeping this girl out of a locker room with other girls is that she may be attracted to one of them, wouldn't putting her in a room with other lesbians be even more likely to result in two teenagers involved in a sexual situation on school premises?

No matter which direction the solution leads, the end result is going to involve some degree of emotional discomfort and a teenager being in a position to look at someone they're attracted to in a state of undress. If there's going to be a problem no matter what, might as well go the simplest route: People with Genitalia A dress here, people with Genitalia B dress here.

84 posted on 12/18/2002 8:38:43 AM PST by truenospinzone
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
You posted it to me so I thought you meant it for me. Surely you can see how I would think as much.

Since we homeschool, this situation doesn't *directly* affect our family.

Personally, I would not give in to the gay agenda by allowing the gal in the locker room. I don't have a pat solution...will have to think on that today.

85 posted on 12/18/2002 8:39:39 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Even that wouldn't satisfy some here. By their logic, two lesbians would need separate locker rooms, as they would be attracted to each other.

You nailed it when you said homophopes cause as much trouble as liberals.

86 posted on 12/18/2002 8:42:21 AM PST by TheOtherOne
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To: jjm2111
..........I've always thought homo bashers were covering up something...........
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Your post seems to directed at any whom would criticise homosexuality. So I'll give you the pleasure of a response. I have always found homosexuals to be pleasant, artistic, creative and intelligent people (I'm sure there are a lot of exceptions too). By and large they seemed harmless enough. Then they became a movement of "special" people. The agenda developed and I found that I no longer had the freedom to choose whether or not I wanted their company. And the agenda continues to this day with no end in sight. They are now demanding the right to influence the minds of my children. As in any moral evolution or change, as the extremes are continually encroached good people will either ride their tolerance to the extinction of their ideals or will begin to dig their heels in increasing resistance. Push to hard or too fast and people and things begin to break.
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As far as your elementary ploy of " your resistance to my agenda means your really one of us" is not worthy of this forum. Besides being sexually challenged you appear to be challenged mentally as well.

87 posted on 12/18/2002 8:43:27 AM PST by JMP
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To: homeschool mama
I say you'll be giving into the gay agenda by keeping her out of the locker room, because if the defendant doesn't settle, I think she'll win her lawsuit. Changing the law is what the gay agenda is after, and people with your attitude are just playing into their hands.
88 posted on 12/18/2002 8:44:44 AM PST by wimpycat
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To: MadIvan
What would be most fair in this instance is to ask the other girls who have to change with her, if they are uncomfortable with this lesbian girl (though I take what a 15 year old has to say about anything with a grain of salt) seeing them change. After all, it is they who may have to deal with the possible hint of sexual attraction in the locker room that this girl's presence provides. If they're uncomfortable, out she goes, if not, leave it alone.

Would you have done the same if the girls at a white school were uncomfotable with a black girl in the room? Does anything that makes other people uncomfortable warrant their being removed?

89 posted on 12/18/2002 8:46:31 AM PST by TheOtherOne
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To: truenospinzone
And more to the point, wouldn't creating a separate locker room for homosexuals actually have the most likely chance of ending with high school teenagers who are attracted to each other being in a position to see each other nude? If the logic behind keeping this girl out of a locker room with other girls is that she may be attracted to one of them, wouldn't putting her in a room with other lesbians be even more likely to result in two teenagers involved in a sexual situation on school premises?

EXACTLY, which is one of the reasons I hardly think the knee-jerk "kick her out" solution is really what the homohaters want. That solution would "banish" them to a room where they'd dress and undress in front of potential sex partners and people who turned them on. Oh, the horror; I wish someone punished me by making me get changed in the girls' locker room.

No matter which direction the solution leads, the end result is going to involve some degree of emotional discomfort and a teenager being in a position to look at someone they're attracted to in a state of undress. If there's going to be a problem no matter what, might as well go the simplest route: People with Genitalia A dress here, people with Genitalia B dress here.

Right, and isn't the better lesson to be learned under these circumstances the following: it's okay to suffer some degree of emotional discomfort in your life---it's not going to kill you, and when it comes right down to it, you're probably getting all worked up over nothing. After all, the world doesn't exist to cater to your comfort.


90 posted on 12/18/2002 8:47:12 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: homeschool mama
Personally, I would not give in to the gay agenda by allowing the gal in the locker room. I don't have a pat solution...will have to think on that today.

How is that "giving in" to the gay agenda???? Life is not a zero sum game, you know.

91 posted on 12/18/2002 8:48:25 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: wimpycat
People with *my* attitude?! Why should any of our daughters be subject to feeling uncomfortable in a locker room setting? Sounds like *you* think they should embrace the diversity.
92 posted on 12/18/2002 8:49:41 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: TheOtherOne
**Would you have done the same if the girls at a white school were uncomfotable with a black girl in the room? Does anything that makes other people uncomfortable warrant their being removed? **

Comparing a black female to a lesbian is ridiculous. We're not talking racial difference...we're talking sexual orientation choice. Big difference.

93 posted on 12/18/2002 8:50:45 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: TheOtherOne
Would you have done the same if the girls at a white school were uncomfotable with a black girl in the room?

You stepped into it here, and I'll respond for them: being black isn't a choice, being a homo is. What the homohaters are really doing is bashing the choice because they don't want anyone to be gay. It's not about justice or discrimination at all.

94 posted on 12/18/2002 8:51:14 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: homeschool mama
because you have no right to never be offended or made uncomfortable by someone elses legal behavior.
95 posted on 12/18/2002 8:51:47 AM PST by TheOtherOne
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
The gay gal is making the other girls uncomfortable. Why should the girls fall victim to the lesbians agenda?
96 posted on 12/18/2002 8:52:09 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: TheOtherOne
..rolling my eyes...
97 posted on 12/18/2002 8:52:54 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: MadelineZapeezda
Yes, my gym teacher did the same... we had to drop the towels and turn around in front of her. Blech.... as we got older, some of us got more bold and got a little suggestive with her. At some point,. complaints were filed and the practice ended.
98 posted on 12/18/2002 8:53:52 AM PST by myrabach
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Okay then, change the black girl to converted muslim who makes everyone uncomfortable. Now, the same question applies. The point is that most of those complaining are keying on their discomfort as the trigger for the girl to leave. That is not a sufficient rationale.
99 posted on 12/18/2002 8:54:42 AM PST by TheOtherOne
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To: jjm2111
I've always thought homo bashers were covering up something.

Well, you can't say they're covering up latent homosexuality because there are so many tens of millions who either bash overtly or covertly. Given the occurance of homosexuality in any population, there can only be about 3% of them covering for homosexual feelings.

So the presumption must be wrong. The best explanation is that those who bash overtly do so as an expression of disgust for the act, the arrogance and the militant manner in which they try to recruit our children.

100 posted on 12/18/2002 8:55:39 AM PST by William Terrell
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