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Email President Bush and confront him about his stand for homosexuals
Agape press ^ | 1/26/03 | Tony Horton

Posted on 01/26/2003 6:53:20 PM PST by TonyTheTigger

To: president@whitehouse.gov; vice.president@whitehouse.gov Subject: Email President Bush and confront him about his stand for homosexuals

Dear Mr. President this is what the web page seen by millions will say. I also have a rather large size mailing list I will send this out to.

Email President Bush and confront him about his stand for homosexuals

To: president@whitehouse.gov, vice.president@whitehouse.gov

You will not receive my vote and I will make web pages after web pages exposing you for the fence straddling liar you have become. Ignore this if you want.... I will make good on what I promised you.

If this story is false I will not do what I have said. If I get no response I will take it to mean your guilty.

Bush White House, Clinton White House ... No Difference on Homosexuality

News from Agape Press

http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/1/242003b.asp

A former voter for you,

Tony Horton


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1 posted on 01/26/2003 6:53:21 PM PST by TonyTheTigger
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A remarkably stupid thread!

If you really believe there's no difference between Bush and Clinton, then you're galactically dopey.

2 posted on 01/26/2003 7:40:58 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
If you are for homosexuality then thats wrong. You can't straddle the fence.
3 posted on 01/26/2003 8:07:56 PM PST by TonyTheTigger
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To: sinkspur

The point the article is making is the similarity in the two men on their stand on homosexuality, not encompassing their entire being sinkspur!
4 posted on 01/26/2003 8:08:38 PM PST by MeekMom (( I vote for towel-head clean up day in Chicago!))
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To: MeekMom
Thanks for posting this thread Tony.
5 posted on 01/26/2003 8:10:10 PM PST by MeekMom (( Please visit CNLGLFG.com))
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To: TonyTheTigger



Bush White House, Clinton White House ... No Difference on Homosexuality

By Fred Jackson and Allie Martin
January 24, 2003

(AgapePress) - The American Family Association is accusing the Bush Administration of having a blind spot on an issue of critical importance to Christians: the homosexual movement.

AFA's accusation comes in the wake of the sudden resignation yesterday of a Christian man who had been appointed to the Presidential Advisory Panel on HIV and AIDS. Jerry Thacker, who himself has AIDS, suddenly withdrew from the panel after a Washington Post story, which quoted him as depicting the homosexual lifestyle as "sinful," that homosexuality is a major cause of the AIDS crisis, and that people can be delivered from homosexuality through faith in Christ.

Within hours, presidential spokesman Ari Fleisher publicly condemned Thacker, saying his views are "far, far removed from what the president believes," that the president has a "totally opposite view," and that Bush did not choose Thacker personally.

AFA chairman and founder Don Wildmon says while he was disappointed in the turn of events, he was more surprised at how quickly they happened.

"The homosexuals raised an objection, and Mr. Thacker was gone -- and that really surprised me," he says. "I was surprised by the strong comments from the White House saying the president did not share any of the views that Mr. Thacker holds."

Wildmon says he is tired of the apparent powerful influence exercised on the president by the Log Cabin Republicans, a homosexual lobby group -- and is concerned the Thacker incident could be a signal that the Administration may cave in to demands for pro-homosexual legislation. The White House, he says, is misguided in its attempts to appease homosexuals.

"I think Mr. Bush is trying his best to accommodate the homosexual community," Wildmon says, "but he's not going to accommodate them. They're not going to help him get re-elected. I think this is extremely poor politics. He is alienating a lot of people in the Christian community."

Wildmon says for most pro-family groups, the rise of homosexual radicalism is just as much a concern as abortion. Yet, he says, when it comes to homosexuality, the Bush Administration refuses to meet with pro-family leaders to discuss their concerns. Wildmon believes that on the issue of homosexuality, President Bush's views are no different than those of former President Bill Clinton.

Thacker was infected with the HIV virus after his wife contracted it through a blood transfusion she received while giving birth to their daughter, who is also HIV positive.


6 posted on 01/26/2003 8:10:13 PM PST by TonyTheTigger
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To: MeekMom
AND.......?
7 posted on 01/26/2003 8:11:58 PM PST by TonyTheTigger
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To: MeekMom
Your welcome. Please write our president
8 posted on 01/26/2003 8:12:45 PM PST by TonyTheTigger
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To: MeekMom
so your point is to straddle the fence?
9 posted on 01/26/2003 8:13:58 PM PST by TonyTheTigger
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To: MeekMom
Sorry that post was ment for sinkspur
10 posted on 01/26/2003 8:15:19 PM PST by TonyTheTigger
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To: TonyTheTigger
To all: I am new to Free Republic so bear with me if I respond and make post to the wrong person.
11 posted on 01/26/2003 8:17:32 PM PST by TonyTheTigger
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To: TonyTheTigger
"If you are for homosexuality then thats wrong. You can't straddle the fence."

If you are for homosexuality then
You wouldn't want to be straddling a fence.
12 posted on 01/26/2003 8:34:43 PM PST by APBaer
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To: MeekMom; TonyTheTigger
The point the article is making is the similarity in the two men on their stand on homosexuality, not encompassing their entire being sinkspur!

This isn't an article, it's a rant.

And, Bush and Clinton are in no way similar in their views about homosexuality.

Clinton promoted homosexuals and the lifestyle itself. Bush, as far as I can tell, has a few homosexuals in his administration, but they're not in positions that influence policy toward homosexuals. And Bush himself does not promote homosexuality.

A very big difference.

13 posted on 01/26/2003 8:38:34 PM PST by sinkspur
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Tony, you don't say what it is that the president has done that convinces you he's doing something INAPPROPRIATE regarding policy toward homosexuals.

1. I think it's terrible that homosexuals, and particularly men who have sex with men, are daily killing themselves via their behavior.

2. Despite that they are still citizens of the U.S. and endowed with all the rights thereof AS ADEQUATELY INTERPRETED by appropriate legal bodies.

3. It is ALSO immoral to deprive anyone of life, liberty, property without due process.

14 posted on 01/26/2003 8:59:23 PM PST by xzins (Prepare Ye the way of the Lord.)
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To: xzins
Hog wash
15 posted on 01/26/2003 9:08:55 PM PST by TonyTheTigger
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To: xzins
I does not take a brain surgeon to figure it out
16 posted on 01/26/2003 9:09:38 PM PST by TonyTheTigger
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To: TonyTheTigger
Tony if each of us do the Will of the Lord in our own life deprvaity will fall!
17 posted on 01/26/2003 9:10:54 PM PST by restornu
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To: sinkspur
LOL your logic sounds like Clintons
18 posted on 01/26/2003 9:11:17 PM PST by TonyTheTigger
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To: sinkspur
I see. So tell me sinkspur, what happened to Mr. Thacker?
19 posted on 01/26/2003 9:12:47 PM PST by MeekMom (( Please visit CNLGLFG.com))
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To: restornu
I agree and the will of the father is to not straddle the fence because you want to be politically correct about homosexuality.
20 posted on 01/26/2003 9:13:08 PM PST by TonyTheTigger
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To: MeekMom
AMEN
21 posted on 01/26/2003 9:14:59 PM PST by TonyTheTigger
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To: TonyTheTigger
Which part is hogwash.

You still haven't said what the president has done that has you upset.....just a vague charge.

What did he do?
22 posted on 01/26/2003 9:16:39 PM PST by xzins (Prepare Ye the way of the Lord.)
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To: TonyTheTigger
Very true Hon!
23 posted on 01/26/2003 9:17:41 PM PST by MeekMom (( Please visit CNLGLFG.com))
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To: TonyTheTigger
Welcome to Free Republic.
24 posted on 01/26/2003 9:20:01 PM PST by xzins (Prepare Ye the way of the Lord.)
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To: xzins
...begging your pardon if you are deaf, dumb and blind...

"...Within hours, presidential spokesman Ari Fleisher publicly condemned Thacker, saying his views are "far, far removed from what the president believes," that the president has a "totally opposite view," and that Bush did not choose Thacker personally. "

25 posted on 01/26/2003 9:20:12 PM PST by MeekMom (( Please visit CNLGLFG.com))
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To: xzins
You can read can't you? If mr. Thacker is no longer there I believe says it all. Stop with the Clinton word games
26 posted on 01/26/2003 9:20:47 PM PST by TonyTheTigger
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To: MeekMom
AMEN...........A BLIND MAN COULD SEE THE WORD GAMES SPUR IS SPEWING
27 posted on 01/26/2003 9:28:23 PM PST by TonyTheTigger
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To: MeekMom; TonyTheTigger
Don't believe everything you read. Here is the text from the press briefing by Ari Fleischer in reference to Jerry Thacker. As you can see it states that the President oposing views only concern the Thacker's statements about "gay plague" and "homosexuality is a death-style" and not homosexuality in general. Don't be lazy.... do the research.

Q A member of the administration's AIDS Advisory Council has called AIDS "a gay plague." Does the President condone that kind of language?

MR. FLEISCHER: No, the President does not share that view; the President has a totally opposite view. That remark is far removed from what the President believes and for the President has -- stand for. The President, in terms of what he has done for the issue of AIDS, has brought a real focus to increasing funds, both domestic and foreign policy, to help people with AIDS, the President's view is totally the opposite of that. The President's view is people with AIDS need to be treated with care, compassion, and that's why his budget has provided so much money to help in the fight against AIDS.

Q Back on Jerry Thacker, we've been talking about discrimination and issues of discrimination, race for the last couple of weeks. But Jerry -- granted, he's a man who has the disease himself, but not through -- well, apparently through the fact that his wife was infected through a blood transfusion. Is this gay bashing? Is this -- these words "gay plague" and "homosexuality is a death-style," is that gay bashing? And is there room in this country, not just in this administration or the commission, but is there room for --

MR. FLEISCHER: Those words are as wrong as they are inappropriate. And they are not shared by the President.

Q But he -- you said something about could or could not be sworn in. But when is there going to be something said from the administration to say that this man will not come into the administration? I mean, granted it's not the President --

MR. FLEISCHER: These are not presidential appointments. They are appointments made at the Cabinet level.

Q Understanding. But can the administration say, look, this man is not allowed to be on this commission because he is, indeed, gay bashing, even if he --

MR. FLEISCHER: I just urge you not to leap to any conclusions that he is on this commission or will be on this commission. These announcements come at the Cabinet level.
28 posted on 01/26/2003 9:44:34 PM PST by Between the Lines
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To: Between the Lines
"only concern the Thacker's statements about "gay plague" and "homosexuality is a death-style" and not homosexuality in general. Don't be lazy.... do the research."

Are you completely off your rocker? Homosexuality is a "Deathstyle" not a lifestyle, not an "Orientation", not just an immoral scourge on society at large!
29 posted on 01/26/2003 9:51:44 PM PST by MeekMom (( Please visit CNLGLFG.com))
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To: MeekMom; TonyTheTigger
So what you're saying is that "Thacker" is the litmus test on what Bush thinks about homosexuals?

And Tony, you didn't ping me to your article on Thacker....you pinged yourself. All I asked for was your facts that supported my trashing our president.

I'm a Christian. I have no problem with Thacker's christian views.

Thacker made some public relations errors and had to be removed. He said that homosexuality is the same as bestiality. He also referred to AIDS as "the gay plague." Those are both supportable by folks like you and me who know the debate and the facts.

It's not something that will fly in public opinion right now. Bush has his mind on other things right now than a debate on homosexuality.
30 posted on 01/26/2003 10:02:20 PM PST by xzins (Prepare Ye the way of the Lord.)
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To: TonyTheTigger
Christians No Longer Gay Living For God http://cnlglfg.com
31 posted on 01/26/2003 10:05:46 PM PST by TonyTheTigger
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To: Between the Lines
Christians No Longer Gay Living For God http://cnlglfg.com
32 posted on 01/26/2003 10:07:23 PM PST by TonyTheTigger
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To: xzins
Christians No Longer Gay Living For God http://cnlglfg.com
33 posted on 01/26/2003 10:07:43 PM PST by TonyTheTigger
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To: xzins
Hog wash. Stop with the Clinton word games.
34 posted on 01/26/2003 10:08:59 PM PST by TonyTheTigger
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To: MeekMom
The President is not promoting homosexuality in this statement he is only condeming the hate directed at homosexuals. We should love the sinner but not the sin.

John 13:34: "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

35 posted on 01/26/2003 10:09:22 PM PST by Between the Lines
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To: Between the Lines
http://cnlglfg.com/TrueNature.html

Anything But Gay: The Deadly and Dangerous Homosexual Lifestyle

Because of the bias manner in which homosexuality is portrayed by the media, the general public has little understanding of the true nature of the homosexual lifestyle.

Most have been deceived into believing the average homosexual lives a perfectly normal and healthy way of life.

To suggest otherwise is considered hateful and homophobic. But the facts paint a dark picture of homosexuality much different from the clean, harmless image most people see in the positive portrayals of homosexuals on television and in movies. The silence of the media has hidden the seedy, dangerous and disgusting behavior typical of homosexuals which would stagger the minds of decent people.

Just like the rest of us?

Gays behave just like everybody else except for the minor difference that they happen to be attracted to people of the same-sex, right?

Wrong. Although there certainly are exceptions, the general rule is that homosexuals pursue a sexual perversity which defies imagination. The impression we are given is that homosexuals are involved in committed relationships comparable to typical heterosexual relationships, but the truth is the homosexual lifestyle is, by its very nature, extremely promiscuous. According to surveys of homosexual men, the average homosexual may easily have thousands of sexual partners in his lifetime. According to Jeffrey Satinover:

A 1981 study revealed that only 2 percent of homosexuals were monogamous or semi-monogamous-generously defined as ten or fewer lifetime partners. And a 1978 study found that 43 percent of male homosexuals estimated having sex with five hundred or more different partners and 28 percent with a thousand or more different partners. Seventy-nine percent said that more than half of these partners were strangers and 70 percent said that more than half were men with whom they had sex only once.

Of gay men and anonymous sex, George Grant and Mark A. Horne point out in their book, Legislating Immorality: “Worse, many-if not most-of all homosexual encounters are anonymous Homosexual bathhouses-or as they are sometimes called, without a hint of irony, health clubs-cater specifically to this perverse hankering for anonymity.” Is it any wonder that Paul calls this behavior vile and unseemly?

Reaping the fruits of sowingperversion

A tree is known by its fruit (Mat. 12:33). What, then, are the fruits of homosexual behavior? To encourage young people to embrace homosexuality as normal and to remove from their minds any possible inhibitions toward it, pro-homosexual propaganda in public school courses and special programs leads them to believe that homosexuality is merely an “alternative lifestyle,” as healthy as heterosexuality. The awful truth that homosexuals want to bury beneath a façade of normalcy is that homosexuality is destructive to health and hygiene.

In Romans Paul speaks of homosexuals “receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due” (Rom. 1:27), suggesting that there are grave consequences to perverting the divine order. There is undeniable evidence to support this point.While we often think of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS) when considering health issues related to homosexuality, most people are not aware that AIDS is but one of many diseases afflicting homosexuals.

David Smith, M.D., gave the following statistics concerning the medical consequences of homosexual behavior:

A survey several years ago revealed that seventy-eight percent of homosexuals have been affected at least once by a sexually transmitted disease.... Although the percentage of homosexuals in the United States is less than five percent, they are responsible for half of the cases of gonorrhea of the throat and of intestinal infections. Major outbreaks of ambiasis and hepatitis A infections in San Francisco and Minneapolis have been associated with diseased homosexual food handlers in public restaurants. There is a twenty to fifty fold greater rate of hepatitis B among male homosexuals and a much higher rate of hepatitis A [than heterosexuals]; between one-half to three-fourths of homosexual men have had hepatitis B. If you look at rates of chronic or recurrent infections with herpes virus, CMV, and hepatitis B, you would find them in ninety percent of homosexually active men.San Francisco passed “gay rights” laws and saw a rate of increase of twenty-two times over the national average of venereal disease over the first ten years.

AIDS: Gay disease or everyone’s problem?

It is politically incorrect to label AIDS as a “gay disease.” In the 1980’s and 90’s a massive propa-ganda campaign was implemented to convince the public that all of us-heterosexuals and homosexuals alike-were at equal risk of contracting the disease. It is true that there are many innocent victims of the disease who are not homosexual-especially in Africa, which has been ravaged by an AIDS epidemic. But the impression left by the media that the average citizen faces as great a risk of contracting the disease as a homosexual cavorting in a seedy bathhouse with dozens of other homosexuals is a lie. The publicity surrounding AIDS has hidden the fact that it is a lifestyle specific disease which, in our nation, is primarily spread by and mainly afflicts homosexuals. In fact, it was first called GRID-Gay Related Immuno-Deficiency-because it existed almost exclusively among homosexuals and was correctly understood to be the result of high-risk behavior typical of homosexuals.

The truth is, AIDS is basically a homosexual disease. The evidence suggests that all of the misery and death which it has brought to mankind is ultimately due to the pursuit of the perversion of homosexuality. This fact is painfully obvious, yet few dare to point out the truth that homosexuals are responsible for introducing AIDS to the world. Since the symptoms of AIDS and other lifestyle specific diseases are the product of rejecting God’s will, the cure for them is not to be found in a laboratory, but in repentance. Abiding by God’s word is the only effective AIDS prevention program. Respecting God’s will for sexual fulfillment as revealed in his word would, in a matter of time, eliminate AIDS from the face of the earth.

Different lifestyles, different lifespans Few people understand that homosexuality is not only unhealthy, it is deadly.

Just how deadly is revealed by Dr. Paul Cameron, who has noted: The median age of homosexual men dying from AIDS is thirty-nine. The median age of homosexual men dying from all other causes is forty-two (compared to seventy-five for married men generally and fifty-seven for unmarried men generally). Only one percent of male homosexuals die of old age, compared to seventy-three percent of men in general who live to be sixty-five or older. Less than three percent of all homosexuals are over the age of fifty-five.

The median age of lesbians at death is forty-five compared to seventy-nine for married women, and seventy-one for unmarried women generally. The International Journal of Epidemiology reported on a study “to assess how HIV infection and AIDS impacts on mortality rates for gay and bisexual men.”

Vital statistics were obtained for a large Canadian urban center from 1987 to 1992. RESULTS: Age-specific mortality was significantly higher for gay and bisexual men than all men aged 30-44. Life expectancy at age 20 for gay and bisexual men ranged from 34.0 years to 46.3 years.The probability of living from age 20 to 65 years for gay and bisexual men ranged from 32%to 59%These figures were considerably lower than for all men where the probability of living from 20 to 65 was 78%. CONCLUSION: In a major Canadian center, life expectancy at age 20 years for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 20 years less than for all men. If the same pattern of mortality were to continue, we estimate that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently age 20 years will not reach their 65th birthday. Under even the most liberal assumptions, gay and bisexual men in this urban center are now experiencing a life expectancy similar to that experienced by all men in Canada in the year 1871.

Despite these grim statistics, homosexuals persist in their dangerous behavior. After a decline in the early 1990’s in the number of AIDS cases, in the last few years the number has been increasing again. “Safer-sex” education instructing homosexuals on how to reduce the risk of contracting disease and encouraging them to use caution in practicing their perversion appears to have been largely ineffective. This should not surprise us, since homosexuality has nothing to do with responsible conduct but has everything to do with wanton pursuit of sexual fulfillment, regardless of the risks. But to choose sodomy is to choose slavery-bondage to the lusts of the flesh and all of the awful consequences which result from pursuing them.

Why are our children not given the type of information noted above in health class? They may be-and often are-instructed in condom use and creative methods of fornication, as we shall document later. But information like this-which could be vital to their physical and emotional well-being-is kept from them. The reason is obvious: promoters of the homosexual agenda do not want them to see the indisputable connection between sexual sin and suffering.

We reap what we sow. When we sow to the flesh, of the flesh we reap corruption and destruction. The reckless abandoning of God’s will to embrace the excesses of pagan hedonism carries a high price. It is past time to expose the lie that we should celebrate the homosexual lifestyle as natural and healthy In fact, it is a disgusting and deadly way of life which enslaves and destroys those who practice it. Everything about it is anti-family, anti-God, anti-Christ.

By Tyler Young http://cnlglfg.com/TrueNature.html
36 posted on 01/26/2003 10:16:18 PM PST by TonyTheTigger
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To: TonyTheTigger
NO word games, bubba. I'm pretty clear. I think you're wrong. Is that clear enough?

Bush should be focusing on Iraq and war. He doesn't need to be worrying about what your and andrew sullivan's obsession.....homosexuality.

If you check through old posts, you'll notice that I'm among the hardest on these pages on homosexuality. But I don't think it's the top priority. War is.

Then the economy. Then morality.....so you are near the top.

For a shorttimer here at FR you're pretty pushy.
37 posted on 01/26/2003 10:16:40 PM PST by xzins (Prepare Ye the way of the Lord.)
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To: Between the Lines
lol sell crazy somewhere else, Thacker did write anything hateful
38 posted on 01/26/2003 10:17:45 PM PST by TonyTheTigger
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To: xzins
Bush should worry about his soul not this world. He is not for morals after his pollitacally stand for homosexuals.
39 posted on 01/26/2003 10:19:08 PM PST by TonyTheTigger
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To: TonyTheTigger
lol sell crazy somewhere else, Thacker did write anything hateful

Do you mean he didn't write anything hateful?

40 posted on 01/26/2003 10:21:23 PM PST by Between the Lines
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To: TonyTheTigger
Bush's soul is just fine. Did you read the Christmas card he sent out about the Savior, Jesus Christ?

He should be worried about this war.
41 posted on 01/26/2003 10:21:25 PM PST by xzins (Prepare Ye the way of the Lord.)
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To: TonyTheTigger
lol sell crazy somewhere else

I am not selling crazy, but I am sure if I were you would not buy, for anyone can see you are fully stocked.

42 posted on 01/26/2003 10:27:31 PM PST by Between the Lines
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To: Between the Lines
...MeekMom slaps forehead!
43 posted on 01/26/2003 10:33:39 PM PST by MeekMom (( Please visit CNLGLFG.com))
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To: xzins
Chrsitmas card ? Did Jesus send him a reply?

Stop with the games an encourage him to stand for morality and stop trying to be politically correct and say point blank homosexuality is wrong period.
44 posted on 01/26/2003 10:35:35 PM PST by TonyTheTigger
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To: xzins
It's a black and white issue xzins...you either stand with God or you stand alone...no grey area here...no politically correct zone!
45 posted on 01/26/2003 10:35:39 PM PST by MeekMom (( Please visit CNLGLFG.com))
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To: xzins
LOL re: #37 !
46 posted on 01/26/2003 10:38:15 PM PST by MeekMom (( Please visit CNLGLFG.com))
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To: xzins
...MeekMom slaps her head again...(ouch!)

now the litmus test for calling yourself a Christian is sending out nifty Christmas cards?

BWWWAAAA HAAA HAAA HAAA!!!

By his own admission he is a Methodist, not a Christian!

LOL!

47 posted on 01/26/2003 10:41:47 PM PST by MeekMom (( Please visit CNLGLFG.com))
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To: xzins
Do you feel as if you have stepped into the twilite zone through this thread? I had to keep checking to make sure this was a religious thread and not some skinhead rant.
Remember don't ask for specifics charges....no more Clinton word games.
48 posted on 01/26/2003 10:42:10 PM PST by Between the Lines
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To: xzins
If the thread bugs you ......you have the option to not post
49 posted on 01/26/2003 10:43:23 PM PST by TonyTheTigger
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To: TonyTheTigger
re: post #44

...now that is too funny!!!!
50 posted on 01/26/2003 10:44:59 PM PST by MeekMom (( Please visit CNLGLFG.com))
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