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Pope Calls for Fast Against War in Iraq (Catholics to fast on Ash Wednesday)
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Posted on 02/23/2003 8:15:42 AM PST by TLBSHOW

Pope Calls for Fast Against War in Iraq

VATICAN CITY - Pope John Paul (news - web sites) II called on Catholics to fast on Ash Wednesday in the name of peace and said again on Sunday he worried a U.S.-led war against Iraq could unsettle the entire Middle East.

Looking wan and tired, John Paul opened his traditional Sunday remarks from his studio window overlooking St. Peter's Square by denouncing war as a way to resolve the conflict.

"We Christians in particular are called upon to be sentinels of peace," John Paul said, calling on Catholics to dedicate their fasting on Ash Wednesday, March 5, for the cause of peace.

On that day, the pope said, faithful will pray for "the conversion of hearts and the long-range vision of just decisions to resolve disputes with adequate and peaceful means."

He said that the fast, which Catholics traditionally conduct at the start of Lent to prepare themselves for Easter, is an "expression of penitence for the hate and violence which pollute human relations."

Fasting, an ancient practice shared by other religions, he said, also lets faithful "shed themselves of all arrogance."

Rainbow-hued peace banners fluttered in the crowd of tourists and pilgrims in the square. Surveys have shown Italians and many other Europeans oppose war, even if waged under the aegis of the United Nations (news - web sites), and earlier this month, about 1 million Italians marched through Rome to protest against the United States and its push for using military force.

"For months the international community is living in great apprehension for the danger of a war, which could unsettle the entire Middle East region and aggravate the tensions unfortunately already present in this beginning of the third millennium," the pontiff said.

"It is the duty of all believers, to whichever religion they belong, to proclaim that we can never be happy pitted one against the other; the future of humanity will never able to be secured by terrorism and by the logic of war," John Paul said.

While the pope has been hailed as a champion of peace by anti-war demonstrators ranging from environmentalists to communists, some in Italy challenged his view.

Radical Party leaders Sunday denounced what they saw as the pontiff's "equating terrorism and war, whatever war." Led by Marco Panella, the Radicals say they would like to see Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) in exile and a democratic government under U.N. auspices to replace the Iraqi leader.

John Paul has been holding practically daily meetings with key players in the crisis over Iraq. In his latest effort, on Saturday, he met with British Prime Minister Tony Blair (news - web sites), who has been trying to line up support in Europe and elsewhere for Washington's insistence that military force is necessary if Baghdad doesn't quickly and completely comply with U.N. disarmament resolutions.

John Paul, 82 and struggling with Parkinson's disease (news - web sites) and other health problems, appeared weary, his voice trailing off in the final words of his appeal, "blessed are the peacemakers," a phrase from the Gospel of Matthew.

John Paul made similar calls against conflict in the months before the 1991 Gulf War (news - web sites), but in this campaign, with the memory of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks making the world particularly apprehensive, he has seemed more determined than ever to do his part to persuade decision-makers against going to war.


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1 posted on 02/23/2003 8:15:42 AM PST by TLBSHOW
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2 posted on 02/23/2003 8:18:38 AM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: TLBSHOW
There are wonderful, loving, God-fearing clergy in the Catholic church, and then there are politically calculating bureaucrats. In this case, JP II has sided with the bureaucrats.
3 posted on 02/23/2003 8:21:20 AM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: TLBSHOW
clintonh8r's planned menu for March 5:

BREAKFAST: Three eggs, over easy; grits; six slices of deli-cut bacon; two slices of Pepperidge Farm toasting bread; Tupelo honey; coffee; freshly squeezed orange juice.

LUNCH: Cheeseburger with everything; freedom fries; iced tea.

DINNER: Pork chops done some delicious way Mrs. clintonh8r makes them; sauteed beets; mashed potatoes; corn on the cob; a couple of glasses of a nice Clifornia cabernet; coffee; a large slice of Mrs clintonh8r's homemade lemon chess pie.

Middle finger raised in the direction of Rome. The Pope is one of the heroes of the 20th Century. Too bad he's losing the burning passion for freedom he used to have. Appeaser.

4 posted on 02/23/2003 8:25:02 AM PST by clintonh8r (It is better to be feared than to be respected.)
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To: TLBSHOW
What? I have to walk around with dirt on my forehead and be hungry? Makes sense to me. not.
5 posted on 02/23/2003 8:27:10 AM PST by Cate (Let Freedom Ring !!!!)
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To: clintonh8r
I'd suggest a nice cigar, too. If you really intend to blow it off right.
6 posted on 02/23/2003 8:28:20 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (those who unilaterally beat their swords into plowshares wind up plowing for those who don't)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Thanks. Forgot to mention: A. Fuente Don Carlos Doble Robusto.

aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh.............

7 posted on 02/23/2003 8:29:44 AM PST by clintonh8r (It is better to be feared than to be respected.)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Hmmm, there's a great Chinese buffet in my town where you can really pig out. I'm putting it on the calendar.
8 posted on 02/23/2003 8:33:49 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: clintonh8r
Followed, of course, by a night of dancing, cocktails, and gambling - a celebration of the American materialism which Rome reviles so (for everybody but the "in" guys - like dictators and friendly bankers), but can't seem to function without.
9 posted on 02/23/2003 8:35:08 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (those who unilaterally beat their swords into plowshares wind up plowing for those who don't)
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To: TLBSHOW
While I occasionally disagree with the Pope, I think that he is correct on this issue. Clearly, this war does not meet the criteria for a Christian "just war".
10 posted on 02/23/2003 8:36:35 AM PST by quebecois
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To: Dog Gone
I've always been afraid that some little Chinese guy will come out and yell "You eat too much. Ruin buffet. You go now" at me. And what I can't figure (unless the joint is a money laundry) how they do what they do for so cheap. Maybe I don't want to know.
11 posted on 02/23/2003 8:38:03 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (those who unilaterally beat their swords into plowshares wind up plowing for those who don't)
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To: clintonh8r
Mmmmmm....sounds good!

I plan on eating loads of chocolate....
12 posted on 02/23/2003 8:39:37 AM PST by oline
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To: quebecois
Michael Savage said 2 weeks ago we would not go to war. We have waited too long. I hope he is wrong.
13 posted on 02/23/2003 8:42:26 AM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine

14 posted on 02/23/2003 8:42:53 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: TLBSHOW
I don't give a DAMN about de-stablizing the middle east. We should be praying that earthquakes, floods and locusts find all of the world's muslims.

I do give a damn about protecting myself, my country, my beliefs.

Is the Pope siding with the Muslims?
15 posted on 02/23/2003 8:43:09 AM PST by CookedBooks_TerroristTraining
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To: TLBSHOW
Two questions, from a not always knowledgable Catholic:

1)This isn't binding in any way is it? I don't have to fast for peace do I?

2)Is the Holy Father implying that if one doesn't fast for peace and just fasts because it's Ash Wednesday, they are not "the faithful?"
16 posted on 02/23/2003 8:44:20 AM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: quebecois
Better get out your flame-retardant suit - it's gonna get warm in here.
17 posted on 02/23/2003 8:44:23 AM PST by peteram (Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it)
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To: Cate
Are you Catholic? If not, who gives a damn if it makes sense to you.
18 posted on 02/23/2003 8:45:06 AM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Here comes the anti-Catholicism! Let the games begin!
19 posted on 02/23/2003 8:45:47 AM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
And what I can't figure (unless the joint is a money laundry) how they do what they do for so cheap.

THey hire illegals and off the boat immigrants, pay them little, employ their families, pay them little, and just go low budget on everything else.

20 posted on 02/23/2003 8:46:57 AM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Conservative til I die
No, you don't have to fast for peace if you don't want to . I think that this was just a suggestion by the Pope. I fast for reasons of personal spiritual growth and closeness to the Lord. Anyone may offer up their fasting for any reason (world hunger, world peace, spiritual guidance for our leaaders, etc).
21 posted on 02/23/2003 8:47:29 AM PST by peteram (Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it)
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To: CookedBooks_TerroristTraining
We should be praying that earthquakes, floods and locusts find all of the world's muslims

Wow, such a voice of reason. And you should be taken seriously, why?
22 posted on 02/23/2003 8:48:22 AM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Thane_Banquo
When are they going to call a fast for the millions of unborn children murdered which the church has condemed? Is SAD-HAM,s safety more important?
23 posted on 02/23/2003 8:49:27 AM PST by Uncle George
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
....how they do what they do for so cheap. Maybe I don't want to know.

Two words: cats and dogs

(I had a friend whose cat was named "General Tsao". He dissappeared one day. Hmmm......)

24 posted on 02/23/2003 8:50:16 AM PST by peteram (Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it)
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To: peteram
Gotcha. I love the Pope and admire him greatly, but would take issue with him demanding that we fast for peace.
25 posted on 02/23/2003 8:52:12 AM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: TLBSHOW
I don't think you copied this right. It should read "Pope Calls for Fast war against Iraq.
26 posted on 02/23/2003 8:53:08 AM PST by wearredcaps
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To: peteram
Damn - and that is my favorite dish, too.

Is that why you never see cats around Chinese retaurants?

27 posted on 02/23/2003 8:54:25 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (those who unilaterally beat their swords into plowshares wind up plowing for those who don't)
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To: quebecois
How dare you disagree with the rest of FR!!!!! We're sending you for reprogramming, and when you're done, you'll be saying "Let's keel all dem MOO-slums and MO-hammedans, Cousin Jethro!"
28 posted on 02/23/2003 8:54:36 AM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Uncle George
THe Pope regularly denounces abortion. Over and over again. ANd in no uncertain terms. At this point, I wonder if he's the only voice against it. So really, be quiet.
29 posted on 02/23/2003 8:55:42 AM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Conservative til I die
pay them little, employ their families, pay them little, and just go low budget on everything else.

Especially their "wonderfull hand painted allway mispelled signes"!      LOL
30 posted on 02/23/2003 8:55:58 AM PST by GirlShortstop
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To: Uncle George
When are they going to call a fast for the millions of unborn children murdered which the church has condemed?

Even more central to the current crisis, when are they going to call a fast for the millions of Iraqis threatened by Saddam with torture, rape, murder, and genocide?

31 posted on 02/23/2003 8:57:09 AM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: TLBSHOW
Axis of deception!

Will this dope ever obey the Gospel and stop deceiving his willing puppets?
32 posted on 02/23/2003 8:59:35 AM PST by MeekMom (( Please visit http://CNLGLFG.com) (HUGE Ann-Fan!!!))
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To: quebecois
As a Catholic - I will refuse to do what the Pope asks, because he is wrong.

As for some on this thread mocking Catholics - do I get to mock the holy roller crowd as well - is that cool with all of you?
33 posted on 02/23/2003 8:59:46 AM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: TLBSHOW
The Snake enters the Garden of Eden... and we get the advice to fast, to weaken?


34 posted on 02/23/2003 9:00:57 AM PST by LurkedLongEnough
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To: Dog Gone
re: post #14

ROFL!!!
35 posted on 02/23/2003 9:01:36 AM PST by MeekMom (( Please visit http://CNLGLFG.com) (HUGE Ann-Fan!!!))
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To: rbmillerjr
do I get to mock the holy roller crowd as well - is that cool with all of you?

It's cool with me.

36 posted on 02/23/2003 9:05:39 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: TLBSHOW; Conservative til I die
On that day, the pope said, faithful will pray for "the conversion of hearts and the long-range vision of just decisions to resolve disputes with adequate and peaceful means."

Call me naive, but what is wrong with what the Holy Father has asked us to pray for?    I sure would like to see SH blown to pieces, but it seems to me that this prayer is an acceptable word to God.    Are the bashers assuming that *only* prayers for a battlefield win are "approved" and "sanctioned"?
37 posted on 02/23/2003 9:08:03 AM PST by GirlShortstop
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To: TLBSHOW
How long did it take the catholic church to apologize for their duplicity regarding the slaughter of millions of Jews during WWII?

The pope sent the American bishops back home, saying the penalties for child-molesting priests was too tough.

I forget, did the catholic church (or any vicar of christ) ever apologize for torching, butchering (literally), and otherwised maiming, all those Protestants and Jews during the Inquisition?

I ask all these rhetorical questions to underline my point: who cares what the pope declares? The pope is about as meaningful to American political thought as British royalty.

Being the pope means never having to admit culpability.
38 posted on 02/23/2003 9:10:53 AM PST by spacebuffalo
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To: Dog Gone
It's too easy since I used to be one.

The point was rhetorical, not literal lol.
39 posted on 02/23/2003 9:12:18 AM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: GirlShortstop
I personally am all for the Pope praying for peace. I do disagree with him, and I do wish he would put more of the onus on Hussein. Of course, the Pope I think, realizes that Hussein is a madman and it would be futile to even ask him to stop his actions. Christianity has always been about putting the onus on the wronged, in a way (turn the other cheek, love your enemies, forgive 70 x 7 times, etc.)
40 posted on 02/23/2003 9:15:56 AM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Conservative til I die
Fasting on Ash Wednesday is required under pain of sin. Now, if you are elderly, sick or have another good reason, you can refrain (as a doctor working long hours, I may or may not fast.) We all have sins to fast for, and fasting purifies one's soul if done with humility and prayer.

If you don't fast, it means you don't take the church seriously, since Lent is traditionally a time of fasting, doing good deeds, and giving up things as a prayer for love of God.

The ashes are on the forehead remind us we come from dust and into dust we can return.

As for this pope asking us to fast for peace: That is his personal opinion. Since unlike hollywood movie stars, he knows quite abit about the middle east, his opinion must be respected, but not necessarily obeyed.

If one read the book of Jonah beyond the whale part, you find that Ninevah was warned of a punishment but did respons with prayers and fasting, and the punishment was postponed 60 years. So it is biblical.

Maybe if we pray and fast, there will be a peaceful resolution (not necessarily appeasement). For example, the overthrow of communism was prayed for by millions of Christians for 40 years, and one day it was gone, without violence.

41 posted on 02/23/2003 9:18:35 AM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: Conservative til I die
"anti-Catholicism!" I knew this charge would appear.

This man is quoted saying "We Christians in particular are called upon to be sentinels of peace".

So any who find freeing the people of Iraq and stopping a murderer from achieving his goals, are not Christian in particular. Who is being anti?

Weeks of so called anti-war protestors, who are actually anti-Bush protestors back by "leftist" screaming peace with out demanding Saddam stop his war-mongering have not been spoken against by this guy.

Hollywood freaks blasting the liberal line of lies "WAR for OIL", leftist preachers come out of their little houses of worship and say this is an "unjust war". These people get no reproach.

So if speaking out against what this man claims is anti-catholic for you so be it. But this guy is not my path to Christianity and he does not speak for me and as a "free" Christian.

There is a clear path to peace without war and it is in Saddam's hands. So when this guy starts demanding Saddam to give up his weapons then he might gain a little credibility.


42 posted on 02/23/2003 9:24:17 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Conservative til I die
I personally am all for the Pope praying for peace.

See though, it is not a matter of just the Pope praying for peace.   My personal perspective is that war is imminent; we will go to war and we will win.   We have to pray for peace regardless of realities imo.    FReegards, and, Peace.

43 posted on 02/23/2003 9:24:41 AM PST by GirlShortstop
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To: Conservative til I die
Catholics are teh sux
45 posted on 02/23/2003 9:28:00 AM PST by The FRugitive
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To: Darkdrake
Do you truly believe that any Pope would side with the pro-war camp?

I know in World War II a Pope sided with peace at the expense of European Jewry.

An ethical Pope may pray for peace, but never at any cost. When war is justified, the clergy should be for war. We shouldn't hold them to a different standard than the rest of us.

46 posted on 02/23/2003 9:28:35 AM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: TLBSHOW
There is nothing wrong with praying for peace in and of itself. I hope for peace too. However, whether there is peace or not is entirely in the hands of Saddam Hussein.
47 posted on 02/23/2003 9:28:54 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: LadyDoc
Thank you so much for your writing. Prayer brings about miracles. The Pope can be nothing other than a man of peace.
48 posted on 02/23/2003 9:29:48 AM PST by Ann Archy
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To: Just mythoughts
This man is quoted saying "We Christians in particular are called upon to be sentinels of peace".

Step back a minute please... it appears as though you are directing your anger (completely understood) towards the supposed pro-peace activists (their vast majority's agenda is anything *but* peace, imo), at others who are praying that the undesirable need for war can be averted. 

Since when is praying for peace a horrible thing to do?   If you could cite the stats on military men and women  (i.e. how many do or don't pray for peace) to support your position, it'd be appreciated.

49 posted on 02/23/2003 9:35:25 AM PST by GirlShortstop
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However, whether there is peace or not is entirely in the hands of Saddam Hussein.

That power is in the hands of God.
50 posted on 02/23/2003 9:37:11 AM PST by GirlShortstop
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