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Pagan band demands "quiet area for fornication"
Ananova ^ | June 20, 2003

Posted on 06/20/2003 5:05:39 AM PDT by Jimmyclyde

Pagan band demands 'quiet area for sex'

A pagan rock band is demanding a "quiet area for fornication" during a summer solstice celebration in Birmingham.

The event, billed as a family fun day out, has been condemned by the Church of England, reports the Birmingham Evening Mail.

Headliners Inkubus Sukkubus demanded the "fornicatorium" at the event, which is being held to mark the longest day of the year.

Managers at the Custard Factory venue confirmed a quiet area would be provided for the group, fronted by female vocalist Candia.

A spokesman said: "They said they needed a quiet fornicatorium. They say it is a fertility rite. The singer goes into a trance-like state. We don't quite know what will happen once the frenzied activity begins."

Druids from across the country will descend on the Custard Factory for the celebration, which is billed as a perfect day out for the whole family, on Saturday.

Rhiannon Biddulph, of the UK Pagan Association, said: "There are certain festivals were we celebrate the creation of life where you have to have sex. Most pagans have a fairly relaxed attitude to sex."

But a spokesman for the Church of England in Birmingham said: "It seems the Druids have overdosed on the magic mushrooms when arranging this event. It beggars belief that this kind of tackiness and tawdriness is being promoted as a cultural family event."

Story filed: 11:27 Friday 20th June 2003


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To: Dead Corpse
A cosmic boogey man your so mesmerized by of you can't stay away from the flame of His existence.

Nobody devotes this much time to something they do not believe is real.
251 posted on 06/20/2003 1:47:22 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.)
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To: najida
I do not care what is sounds like, that has no bearing on the question, only your bias.

The question is relevant and possible, especially when there is history of those women in the world.

I do not claim that it is the case for certain in the story, that is prudent.

You refuse to accept a known behavior for fear of harming your bias, that is weak.
252 posted on 06/20/2003 1:50:38 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.)
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To: Dead Corpse
Ahhh, you must mean, banned Mark's gospel written by man himself around 40 BC...yes, very evil and heretic text. /sarcasm.
253 posted on 06/20/2003 1:51:31 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: najida
Can a women want a man, either for sex, power or self gratification?

Is there history of such?
254 posted on 06/20/2003 1:52:36 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.)
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To: wimpycat
"Will you please shut up?! You're offending a lot of people on this thread. "

I'm enjoying the read.. if you get offended easily, you don't have to keep reading. There are tons of other threads that are more PC and may appeal to you.
255 posted on 06/20/2003 1:53:28 PM PDT by honeygrl
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To: CyberCowboy777
. "A female demon supposed to descend upon and have sexual intercourse with a man while he sleeps......."


Geeez! Thanks!

I thought it was only a wet dream!
256 posted on 06/20/2003 1:55:48 PM PDT by aShepard
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To: CyberCowboy777
~~sigh~~

The my first statement (read back please) was that since childhood (yeppers, I am an escaped bible baby) I have found this story repulsive....for lots of reasons....

Everytime I mentioned that 'gee, this is a creepy story', (and it ain't the only one in the bible) it was met with a '...gods will, different time, have faith...now get over it' answer....

Can a woman want a man for power? Of course! There are gobs of stories of women who set out to lay with men for gain of some sort.

Do I believe it happened here? No, in my gut, I don't think she had much choice in the matter....

257 posted on 06/20/2003 1:56:46 PM PDT by najida (What handbasket? And where did you say we were going?)
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To: Dead Corpse
This seems up your ally: New Tradition
258 posted on 06/20/2003 2:01:23 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: aShepard
No she kills man after collecting sperm.
259 posted on 06/20/2003 2:01:56 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: Dataman
"I will grant your example of "Baker" (FYI: spelled "Bakker") is an embarrassment. In a world where Christianity is not only the largest but the fastest growing religion, bad examples are going to exist. Nonetheless, you must surely admit, this does not detract from the teaching, person and work of Christ. Christ did not force Bakker to do anything. "

Ok, here's a question or statement.. not sure how it'll end yet. You find people you don't like representing Christians and excuse them as "bad examples" that don't represent the rest accurately. So when you find Pagans you don't like, why assume they represent all other pagans rather than being a few "bad examples" that do not represent the rest?

(and dead corpse, i'm not calling you a bad example, just curious about this.. i'm not going to pretend to know enough about you to conclude whether you are a bad or good example because I definitely don't know you well enough to make that judgement)
260 posted on 06/20/2003 2:02:34 PM PDT by honeygrl
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To: RussianConservative
..."No she kills man after collecting sperm."...

Wow! Maybe Lorena Bobbitt is a succubus??
261 posted on 06/20/2003 2:06:59 PM PDT by aShepard
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To: najida
I don't think she had much choice in the matter....

I do not think she desired it either, at least not at first. But that creepiness (which is no refection on G_d, only on man's sin nature) is used to somehow discredit or call into question the Bible and/or G_d.

Here on this thread we actually saw some use the story to shore up the idea that fornication is 'okay' Biblically.

262 posted on 06/20/2003 2:07:48 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.)
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To: CyberCowboy777
I am sorry. I fail to see where this relates to having a fornicatorium or whatever it is called. We are talking about Summer Solstice, fertility rites, and pagan rituals. It is not Christianity, nor is it Islam, or Judaism.

My original post on this forum was tongue in cheek, but seriously, the Christian church has no fertility rites, that I am aware of. In addition, while fornication may be a sin in the eye of a Christian, it clearly is not sinful to these people in the sense that it is going to be performed (in the guise of) during a religious festival.

I am not up on my British law, but last I checked, here in the states, we do have freedom of religion. While I do not necessarily condone what a person believes, it is not my job to condemn for what is believed or how people practice their faith. Period. (I leave that to the authorities :)

263 posted on 06/20/2003 2:08:25 PM PDT by msdrby (I do believe the cheese slid off his cracker! - The Green Mile)
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To: honeygrl
Message and Intent
264 posted on 06/20/2003 2:10:07 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.)
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To: CyberCowboy777
Fair enough.....

I see the Bible (now) like a box full of broken glass and diamonds. Some diamonds tossed out for for glass. Easier to say "it is all perfect" than to dig through and sort the diamonds from the glass. Might get your fingers bloody.

My (mental) salvation as a child came with the parable of the talents (use your brain). From then on, 'faith and gods will' became the 'I am afraid to question' answer.

So, anyhow, bottom line, it is a creepy (broken glass) story.....
265 posted on 06/20/2003 2:15:03 PM PDT by najida (What handbasket? And where did you say we were going?)
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To: Jimmyclyde
"They said they needed a quiet fornicatorium".

Well, I just typed that word into Merriam Websters online dictionary and that isn't a word.Regardless,about her going into a trance-like state,well, that's bound to occur when one is in tune with their lovers' mind and body.Who needs Hallucinogenics?

266 posted on 06/20/2003 2:15:11 PM PDT by Pagey (Hillary Rotten is a Smug, Holier - Than - Thou Socialist)
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To: msdrby
I am not sure what you are talking about.

I responded to the posts 27 and 35 to begin my adventure.
Both dealing with Christians and Sexual sin, both distorting the Word of G_d.

Dead Corpse then tries to bait me in #157.
267 posted on 06/20/2003 2:18:30 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.)
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To: CyberCowboy777
Sorry. I did not mean to single you out specifically. I was looking at what you and the others were posting, and also trying to find where on earth it all relates to the thread.
268 posted on 06/20/2003 2:22:18 PM PDT by msdrby (I do believe the cheese slid off his cracker! - The Green Mile)
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To: najida
That is your position. Okay. I am not going to burn you until you renounce your ways. ;~)

That does not make you right or me wrong.

It only means that one of us has not dug for the true meaning.

I am not afraid to question, I can't keep membership in one church for more that a few months.

Instead of the gap being me not questioning, is it possible that you just gave up trying to understand?
269 posted on 06/20/2003 2:23:26 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.)
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To: CyberCowboy777
Hey!
You hit the nail on the head!

I quit, after about 40+ years...I just threw up my hands and said "ya know sumthin' Maude, maybe this isn't the place fer ya!" (no my name ain't Maude, but it sounds good in a story)....

Will I find my way back...dunno...
Whomever does find her way back will be there because she believes, not because she is afraid not too....

Christianity is a wonderful, fabulous place for some people, especially for those raising children...
For those who play well with others and in groups...
but for some people, it isn't a good fit.
270 posted on 06/20/2003 2:29:43 PM PDT by najida (What handbasket? And where did you say we were going?)
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To: honeygrl
Ok, here's a question or statement.. not sure how it'll end yet. You find people you don't like representing Christians and excuse them as "bad examples" that don't represent the rest accurately. So when you find Pagans you don't like, why assume they represent all other pagans rather than being a few "bad examples" that do not represent the rest?

I don't judge paganism entirely by its adherents. It's animistic belief system is enough to dismiss it. Dancing around trees and fires naked, however, does tend to make one wonder about the sanity of the adherents.

271 posted on 06/20/2003 2:32:32 PM PDT by Dataman
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To: najida
Ok, we part in a respectful disagreement.

I don't play well with others or in groups.....it fits me, because it make sense.
272 posted on 06/20/2003 2:37:50 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.)
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To: msdrby
Good post. :)
273 posted on 06/20/2003 2:39:14 PM PDT by honeygrl
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To: Dataman
"I don't judge paganism entirely by its adherents. It's animistic belief system is enough to dismiss it. Dancing around trees and fires naked, however, does tend to make one wonder about the sanity of the adherents. "

So if i judged all Christians based on the snake handlers then you would be OK with that even though all Christians aren't snake handlers (and all pagans don't dance naked around trees and fires)?
274 posted on 06/20/2003 2:44:37 PM PDT by honeygrl
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To: msdrby; honeygrl
We cannot discuss this subject as it interacts with our lives and draws questions of different faiths? A thread is never going to stay pure to it's originality, it involves people and thus is organic. I think that is what makes Free Republic great. You want it sterilized?

As for condemning others, I specifically said I could care less what the idiots of the land do. They are like feeder fish to me. I have my opinion and they have theirs. You wish to sanitize a discussion? To make sure we follow a PC code?
275 posted on 06/20/2003 2:49:04 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.)
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To: CyberCowboy777
You wish to sanitize a discussion? To make sure we follow a PC code?

Not at all.

276 posted on 06/20/2003 2:54:13 PM PDT by msdrby (I do believe the cheese slid off his cracker! - The Green Mile)
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To: honeygrl
So if i judged all Christians based on the snake handlers then you would be OK with that even though all Christians aren't snake handlers

We are forming our opinion of paganism entirely by its own existence, not its participants.

I believe the words were "It's animistic belief system is enough to dismiss it.". You want to imply some judgment based upon one or two people, yet we discount the entirety of the religion based upon Message and Intent.

The other side brings up Jim and Pat and you turn around an imply that we are the ones making the individualization of a religion.

277 posted on 06/20/2003 2:58:14 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.)
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To: msdrby
So your post # 263 (that honeygrl likes so much) means what? I did not see a question? Though I saw a thinly veiled accusation.

What was your point? If you were "trying to find where on earth it all relates to the thread." why not ask?
278 posted on 06/20/2003 3:03:09 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.)
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To: Dead Corpse
Pathetic, son. Pathetic. You made an assertion that God ordered women "ripped up". I asked for proof. You not only didn't offer proof, you horrifically and very amateurishly tried to paraphrase scripture through the lens of your personal beliefs (or non beliefs). As a debater, you stink, dude.

So come on...........prove your point. Show me, verbatim without your oh-so-colorful bulls**t commentary, where God ordered women to be "ripped up".

I'll save you the trouble, sparky. You can't.

279 posted on 06/20/2003 3:17:12 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: CyberCowboy777
No, I don't wish to make anything PC. I just see a pointless argument in which the two sides will never agree. You could go on reciting the same stuff for 1000 posts and the 2 sides still won't agree. You aren't going to win anyone over on your side, and they aren't going to win you to their side. That is why I agreed with the post that person made with the statement:

"I am not up on my British law, but last I checked, here in the states, we do have freedom of religion. While I do not necessarily condone what a person believes, it is not my job to condemn for what is believed or how people practice their faith. Period. "
280 posted on 06/20/2003 5:50:36 PM PDT by honeygrl
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To: CyberCowboy777
"yet we discount the entirety of the religion based upon Message and Intent."

So tell me exactly what the message and intent is of all Pagan religions?
281 posted on 06/20/2003 5:52:22 PM PDT by honeygrl
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To: honeygrl
Bump to the top!!!!

honey girl( what part of you is the honey?)

Sorry.....I'll kick myself in the junk....

282 posted on 06/20/2003 6:16:00 PM PDT by Jimmyclyde
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To: honeygrl
So if i judged all Christians based on the snake handlers then you would be OK with that even though all Christians aren't snake handlers (and all pagans don't dance naked around trees and fires)?

Of course all pagans don't dance naked around fires. I was just recalling a thread where the corpse was defending that very thing in the military.

283 posted on 06/20/2003 6:24:39 PM PDT by Dataman
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To: honeygrl; CyberCowboy777
So tell me exactly what the message and intent is of all Pagan religions?

You couldn't even do that. Why would you expect us to do so?

284 posted on 06/20/2003 6:32:53 PM PDT by Dataman
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To: Dataman
"You couldn't even do that. Why would you expect us to do so? "

Well he said "we discount the entirety of the religion based upon Message and Intent" so if he doesn't know what the message and intent of all pagan religions are, then how can he discount the entirety of the religion based upon that?
285 posted on 06/20/2003 7:51:38 PM PDT by honeygrl
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To: honeygrl; CyberCowboy777
Well he said "we discount the entirety of the religion based upon Message and Intent" so if he doesn't know what the message and intent of all pagan religions are, then how can he discount the entirety of the religion based upon that?

Easy answer: Although paganism includes all religions that are not Jewish, Christian or Moslem, all forms of paganism, either consciously or unconsciously, reject Jesus Christ. Logic dictates that what is not true is false. Pagan religions are therefore false.

286 posted on 06/20/2003 8:02:49 PM PDT by Dataman
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To: Dataman
You do realize there are Pagans who don't reject Jesus Christ? Just a quick google search turned up this The Cauldron and The Cross
287 posted on 06/20/2003 8:18:13 PM PDT by honeygrl
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To: honeygrl
That Jesus isn't the Jesus of the NT, he's the Jesus of occult fantasy.
288 posted on 06/21/2003 5:45:01 AM PDT by Dataman
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To: RightOnline
I'll save you the trouble, sparky. You can't.

Hosea 13:4 Yet I [am] the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for [there is] no saviour beside me.

In all of Hosea, it is JHVH himself supposedly speaking here.

Hosea 13:16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

Read it and weep boy. Try looking up your own crap will you? I refuse to wade through sewers to help cure your ignorance. It's why I bailed from the thread the other day, and why I won't be back after this last post.

289 posted on 06/21/2003 4:33:54 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: okchemyst
Smiting disbelievers. ;)
290 posted on 06/21/2003 7:07:07 PM PDT by Indrid Cold
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To: Dead Corpse
Read it and weep boy. Try looking up your own crap will you? I refuse to wade through sewers to help cure your ignorance. It's why I bailed from the thread the other day, and why I won't be back after this last post.

Probably because you lied. You wrote "There are several instances in the Bible where God commands the "ripping up" of pregnant women who God took a disliking to."

What you posted shows no such command from God.

291 posted on 06/22/2003 4:09:33 AM PDT by Hacksaw
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
why, whats happening at the custard factory? Is the custard doing the strawberrys and cream justice?
292 posted on 06/22/2003 11:56:52 AM PDT by Walnut
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To: honeygrl
Lincoln and Douglas would never agree, that is not the sole purpose of debate.

Those that wish a life without conflict and debate can go else where.
293 posted on 06/23/2003 9:20:15 AM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.)
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To: Dataman
Well..... they say it is the same Jesus and that is all that matters. Who cares what the foundational text of the Faith reads, who cares what Christ himself said. < /sarcasm >

The complete ignorance people have concerning history, religion and ideology never ceases to amaze me.

Can we be surprised then that 50% of Americans do not vote and 25% of those that do vote, vote for liberals?
294 posted on 06/23/2003 9:49:54 AM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.)
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To: tdadams
Looks like it's not just gays at the park you have to worry about. Better get your placards and hop a flight to England.

This makes no sense to me. What are you trying to say? What does this have to do with the United States and defending her culture at all?

295 posted on 06/27/2003 10:03:09 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: John O
Last week you made a specious quip that somehow I'm betraying my libertarian principles by permitting gays to spend a day at the park. I guess I should consider the mere sight of a gay person an affront to my morality.

But in making this quip, you stated that gays would be there having sex in the park during a gay pride festival.

So, now with that refresher... read this thread again in context.

296 posted on 06/27/2003 10:14:05 AM PDT by tdadams
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