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The Reason Behind the Forged Memos
the Manchurian Candidate ^ | 09/15/2004 | Me

Posted on 09/15/2004 11:30:46 AM PDT by rocklobster11

Now that we know the memos were forged, the question is who created them and why? It has been reported that these memos came

to CBS from the DNC and may have originated by a disgruntled former Army National Guard member who has an axe to grind with

President Bush. I'm sure the who will be discovered by other news sources soon. I want to focus on the why.

When I originally saw these memos, I couldn't figure out what the purpose of them was. There didn't seem to be any new facts in

them, as everyone agrees that Bush missed his annual flight examination which was scheduled for July 1972, and had his flight

status suspended on August 1. These memos just appeared to provide backup.

However, upon further analysis, it appears that these memos were meant to lay the ground work for further charges that Bush used

cocaine while in the National Guard and had to be quickly shuffled out of Texas to Alabama to cover it up. These are rumors that

have circled amongst the Bush haters, but there has been no proof, and the timeline didn't really support the conspiracy

theories. Lets look at how these memos were an attempt to forward this rumor:

What is behind each of the memos:

Fake Memo What is says Why was it created
May 4,1972 Orders Bush to get his annual physical within 10 days To change the timeline for Bush getting his annual physical, which wasn't actually due until the end of July.

Create

the impression that Bush left in a hurried panic for Alabama to avoid drug testing

May 19, 1972 Phone call from Bush asking about getting transfered to Alabama because he wants to run a campaign. Followed by discussion

of getting the physical later if he decided to keep flying

Show that Bush left town on May 15, called his commander after the fact to see if he could transfer to Alabama.

Also,

create a confirmation that Killian was aware and ok with the fact that Bush missed the physical. If the order from May 4 was

disobeyed, you would expect some sort of official reprimand or follow-up. Since there is nothing in the record, the May 19 memo

provides an answer.

August 1,1972 Bush suspended from flight status due to failure to perform to USAF/TexANG standards and failute to meet annual physical

examination as ordered. Plus order of the creation of a flight review board IAW AFM35-13.

Make it look like there was something more to the suspension of flight status than just missing the physical.

Create the

impression that a flight review board was ordered, so that they can then ask why Bush has not released this document (ie, there

must be a cover-up). It must show that Bush was suspended for using drugs

August 18, 1972 CYA Memo about being pressured to sugar-coat the Bush review. Mentions something about backdating information Perhaps to show that there was some pressure from higher up for a coverup. However, I wonder what record would need to be

"backdated" in order to fit in with the subsequent conspiracy theory that they plan to release. Perhaps we will find

out, or perhaps they will abandon the next phase of the plan now that the forgeries have been uncovered

Why did 60 Minutes run this story last week? I believe it was meant to be a lead in to the Kitty Kelly book, which also makes

these unfounded claims of Bush drug use. 60 Minutes expected there to be a 4-5 day news cycle discussing how Bush had not

completed his guard duty or had been given preferential treatment. After the Kitty Kelly book came out, they could look at them

again in a new light to help spread the rumors of Bush's drug use.


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To: OldFriend
Great Minds Think Alike

Thanks, considering your pedigree here, that's a great compliment.

We are making history this day, I can feel it.

101 posted on 09/15/2004 2:08:18 PM PDT by dinasour (Pajamahadeen)
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To: Congressman Billybob
What confessions and firings will come from CBS?

Are there any rulings on keeping sources secret when the source is not leaking news.. but leaking lies?

If I were still in the media I would be scared to death that this could end up really watering down the media's right to keep sources secret.

It is one thing to keep secret the indentity of someone blowing the whistle on goverment wrong doing. It is another to keep secret the identity of some one trying to committ fraud on the voters.

There has to be a heck of fight going on at CBS. They had best be able to prove the validity of whatever position they take. They could lose the licenses to all their stations if they are not careful.

My understanding it the licensee who is liable. they did not fine Janet Jackson.. they fined the licensee. Rather is home free no matter what he did.. at least with the FCC. But CBS O&O stations could end up inline for license revocation.

From 12 noon to 3pm to 5 Pm.. there has to be some real fears and recognition of the danger being considered at CBS.

102 posted on 09/15/2004 2:09:13 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: reformedliberal
Given these gaffes based on lack of knowledge of how things worked, I am not prone to place this on Burkett (sp), the disgruntled Guardsman w/a history of mental/emotional instability. Seems to me, he would know those details cold. He's there as a conduit in making the link, IMO

I'm not sure Burkett is the source either, although the 86 year old secretary sure wants you to believe he's the source. Her interview in the Dallas Morning News mentions how the memos were using Army terminology (eg, billets), which wouldn't have been used by the Air Force. It just turns out that Burkett is Army National Guard. Is it a coincidence that she points the finger to Burkett, or is that what the DNC told her to do when they went over the talking points with her( "unfit for command", "selected, not elected")?

My theory is that someone used the Burkett story about memos in the trash to create the memos and then gave them to Burkett to pass on to the DNC. Knowing that Burkett had suffered 2 nervous breakdowns, the forger knew he would fall for the memos and knew that the DNC would use them if they came from Burkett.

103 posted on 09/15/2004 2:10:35 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: dinasour
Proof that stupid people can be diabolical.

Or that someone smart came up with the concept, and someone stupid was responsible for the implementation

The difference in competence level between the forgeries themselves and the Grand Strategy they were a part of is mind-boggling.

One wonder which came first: the forgeries or the strategy?

Did the forgeries appear from an independent source, then give birth to the Grand Strategy at the DNC?

Or did the Grand Strategy come first, then the dirty work farmed out to some seventeen-year old?

In either event, the leadership level of the Democrat party and the Kerry campaign are clearly implicated at the strategic level. Thereby explaining Gunga Dan's reluctance to 'fess up or identify a source...

CBS, the 'Rats (and Kerry) are well and truly f****d.

104 posted on 09/15/2004 2:11:13 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01

I think the memo was either created by someone too young to understand what a typewriter is or someone too old to understand the power of the internet. They didn't expect to be challenged by the media, and they wouldn't have been if it were for those meddelsome pajama kids.


105 posted on 09/15/2004 2:19:10 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: Howlin
I doubt they ever thought of having to back up that, or anything else.

This was conceived by people who do not understand the instant availability of information via google &/or the myriad connections we all have in cyberspace to experts of varying kinds thru lists or even just by googling someone's website and then contacting them. These are elitists who do not have lots of email lists they have participated on for years, building up a network of back channel correspondents.

They may have passed off the actual fabrication of the forgeries to some young staffer whom they were used to using for net/tech assignments. That person never stopped to think about the blogs/FR/google or maybe just trusted that the big shots had all the bases covered. From my time on the left, warm bodies rarely even met big shots and in every cadre of warm bodies there were some who were ambitious and were intent on replacing the big shots, if only because there is a lot of money to be made as one. Perhaps the forger was also used to operating only on the left side of the Web, like DU, where you can get away with saying anything if it is ideologically correct.

On the left, since the 70s, one bit of conventional wisdom is that if 5% of the population believes something, it is then true. They figured that with the repetition within the echo chamber of the media, print and electronic (perhaps even w/entertainment media, not just news), coupled with the dependable flak catchers who would go forth on the TV shows and repeat the allegations as though they were fact, they could make it *fact* in the minds of the people they are so contemptuous of...............us. Especially knowing that there are many TV anchors/hosts who would never challenge them. This is aimed at the Evangelicals and principled conservatives and the goal was to peel off a portion of the base. It has worked before. Donks are nothing if not predictable. Why else would they recycle the same old loser advisers into this campaign? They have enough contempt for us that they see no reason to come up with any new, creative or plausible tactics, let alone offer proof of credibility.
106 posted on 09/15/2004 2:30:24 PM PDT by reformedliberal (W stands for WINNER!)
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To: rocklobster11

The word is that protecting the truth of these forged memos is so important that CBS has stalled all day on an announced press conference so they can fly the little old lady (Knox, Killian's Secretary) to New York to vouch for Dan.


107 posted on 09/15/2004 2:53:14 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: rocklobster11; Howlin; Common Tator
I keep thinking this was set up by Lehane or Mulholland. Lots of cut outs being used. Absolutely no compunction about who took the fall, as long as it wasn't them. Manipulation on a grand scale. And all of it so outrageous, that, if it worked, the perp/idea man would be the strategist of the millennium for the Donks.

Lehane's DUI strategy almost worked. Mulholland went to the wall for Davis/Bustamente in the California recall. They both are in need of redemption if they are to keep their positions in the DNC Mafia/RICO. They both specialize in sewage and aim to kill.

Isn't Lehane an attorney? Is Mulholland? Couldn't they lose their license to practice?
108 posted on 09/15/2004 2:55:45 PM PDT by reformedliberal (W stands for WINNER!)
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To: rocklobster11
I think the memo was either created by someone too young to understand what a typewriter is or someone too old to understand the power of the internet.

Given that the memo was created on MS Word, my guess is that it's not the latter. If you can use a computer, you probably have some grasp of the internet.

In my view, the creator was, as you say, too young to be familiar with typewriters. But the contractor, i.e., the person he/she handed it to, was the one who was too old to understand the power of the internet.

Based on USA Today's description of their source ("familiar with the workings of the Texas NG, worried about retaliation", etc.), Bill Burkett is the logical candidate. And Marianne Carr Knox fingered him, as well.

I've no doubt that Burkett is involved and, perhaps, was even part of the chain-of-custody. But I don't see Burkett either a.) creating the documents or b.) handing them over to Dan Rather...and thus serving as his "unimpeachable source".

At this point, I would suggest that the chain-of-custody would look something like:

creator-unknown hands (inc. Bill Burkett)-DNC-Kerry campaign-unknown hands-unimpeachable source-Mary Mapes-Gunga Dan.

That look right to you?

109 posted on 09/15/2004 2:55:55 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Admin Moderator
Just noted that this thread is buried in Bloggers & Personal. Yet, the article's premise and its contents would seem to warrant broader exposure.

Perhaps a listing in the News/Activism sidebar...???

110 posted on 09/15/2004 3:02:24 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01
creator-unknown hands (inc. Bill Burkett)-DNC-Kerry campaign-unknown hands-unimpeachable source-Mary Mapes-Gunga Dan.

I agree 100%

111 posted on 09/15/2004 3:05:26 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: okie01

I don't know how to get it added back to the sidebar. It was there originally, but I think they just scroll off or someone reclassified it.


112 posted on 09/15/2004 3:07:44 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: self_evident; Howlin

Here is what I have found so far:

http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/d10101wch1_120994/d10101p.pdf

It's a pdf file dated December 9 1994, "Subject: Military Drug Abuse Testing Program." It lists references, the earliest of which is August 25 1980. A memorandum titled "Urinalysis Testing for Cocaine" is dated July 29, 1986.

I'm still researching it, but I think my husband and others who say testing didn't start until the 80's are all correct. The technology might have been there, but it doesn't seem to have been put into use until (as near as I can tell) August 25, 1980.


113 posted on 09/15/2004 3:19:17 PM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: okie01
Or did the Grand Strategy come first, then the dirty work farmed out to some seventeen-year old?

Not a seventeen-year old, just some liberul who has never actually done anything in its life.

All hat, no cattle.

114 posted on 09/15/2004 3:41:16 PM PDT by dinasour (Pajamahadeen)
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To: dinasour; Common Tator; Howlin

And all for nothing, if their purpose was to "prove" that Bush skipped the physical to avoid a urine test. If he was skipping the physical for any reason, it wasn't for that one. The earliest mention of drug testing came in DoD Directive 1010.4, August 25, 1980.


115 posted on 09/15/2004 3:43:57 PM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: MizSterious

On Fox, Brit Hume just said he had heard from Vietnam ear pilot who said he'd never heard of anybody being ORDERED to take a physical; that pilots just knew they had it done on or near their birthday.


116 posted on 09/15/2004 3:45:50 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: MizSterious
The big factor is the Supreme court ruling in the FCC VS Red Lion Broadcasting case circa 1970.

The Surpreme court ruled in that case the failure of a station to air both sides of a controversial story is grounds of revocation of the station license. Red Lion broadcasting lost their station.

CBS only aired one side of this issu. It could lose its stations... Either to revocation or or an FCC forced sale. This could cost CBS in the Hundreds of millions.

This is huge gamble made by an arrogant corporation that is in effect telling the Judge you can't fine us. WE are CBS.

117 posted on 09/15/2004 3:52:00 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: rocklobster11

excellent


118 posted on 09/15/2004 3:52:05 PM PDT by FreedomSurge
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To: rocklobster11

I think you're right on....tell the lie, tell it often. Amazing isn't it. Bill Clinton's best buddy is Dan Lassiter (sp?) the biggest cocaine dealer in the south, Roger is conviced for use, several eyewittnesses to drug use, refusal to release his medical records....and...NOTHING out of the media. Hypocrites!


119 posted on 09/15/2004 4:03:18 PM PDT by JustAnotherSavage (If you don't like my peaches, don't shake my tree!)
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To: Common Tator
Thanks.

I've been waiting for your input. You have expertise on this issue that I value.

I've already written the News Directors of my local affiliates.

Perhaps it is time to write another letter.

The last thing that I want to do is boost their ratings.

120 posted on 09/15/2004 4:06:12 PM PDT by dinasour (Pajamahadeen)
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To: PJ-Comix

"This is a totalitarian hijacking of our democracy, our freedoms of speech, and a DIRECT THREAT to Mr. Dan Rather, Citizen of the United States!! "

Wow. These people are scary. AND it's NOT a democracy, it's a REPUBLIC, you misguided fools. DU is a good place for ya. Too bad you can vote.


121 posted on 09/15/2004 4:08:49 PM PDT by JustAnotherSavage (If you don't like my peaches, don't shake my tree!)
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To: Common Tator
It could lose its stations... Either to revocation or or an FCC forced sale. This could cost CBS in the Hundreds of millions.

The O&O's. I hadn't thought about that...

Maybe, Sumner Redstone hasn't either...

122 posted on 09/15/2004 4:13:34 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: plushaye

This is so believable it is downright creepy.

Gee, without the internet, how do you suppose this would have played out?

The only hole in your theory is, why didn't the forger at least use the courier font? Aren't these guys pros? 8^>


123 posted on 09/15/2004 4:21:06 PM PDT by RobRoy (You only "know" what you experience. Everything else is mere belief.)
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To: dinasour

Just call me a pajama-mama........and it's an honor to be a freeper.


124 posted on 09/15/2004 4:50:25 PM PDT by OldFriend (It's the soldier, not the reporter who has given US freedom of the press)
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To: Common Tator

Thanks! I was wondering if that still applied these days. Most networks do NOT air both sides of much of anything.

Be nice, though, if CBS became FRBS...


125 posted on 09/15/2004 5:15:52 PM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: OldFriend
Just call me a pajama-mama........and it's an honor to be a freeper.

This isn't over, yet. Not by a long shot.

And, I am very motivated.

FRegards

126 posted on 09/15/2004 5:21:36 PM PDT by dinasour (Pajamahadeen)
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To: MizSterious
And all for nothing, if their purpose was to "prove"...

No need to "prove", just plant the idea and hammer on it.

They have been doing the same thing with the Assault Weapons Ban. Make everyone believe that they are trying to ban machine guns. Who cares if machine guns have been illegal since the 30's.

I, for one, am tired of being lied to.

127 posted on 09/15/2004 5:26:36 PM PDT by dinasour (Pajamahadeen)
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To: rocklobster11

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128 posted on 09/15/2004 5:27:27 PM PDT by Bayou City
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To: MizSterious
Consider this.. The FCC received tons of complaints and decides to investigate. They call in Rather and the president of CBS and Viacom demand they reveal the source. Remember this is not a whistle blower, but an obvious attempt to fraudulently effect the outcome of a presidential election. This is a real crime.

CBS refuses.. so the FCC goes to court. If the court rules the media can not hide a forger guilty of fraud, then the media has lost a huge hunk of power. That is they could lose the right to never reveal sources of a story.

Now if you are ABC, NBC, or USA Today do you let the court take away your right to keep all sources secret or do you make the story mute by revealing the source yourself?

This story is a long way from being over. And the for the first time in memory the media does not have every reason to present a single front. The solidarity of the media may for the first time in my memory come apart.

129 posted on 09/15/2004 5:30:54 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Chewbacco
Even if everything was true, so what? They don't really compare with Kerry's leading a violent, communist-linked, anti-war organization.

It doesn't compare, but did 60 Minutes do a story on that? Only in the context of the Swiftboat Vets, and then if they did, it was to prove them liars. You don't hear much about this in the negative toward kerry! It is just amazing!

130 posted on 09/15/2004 5:33:55 PM PDT by ladyinred ("John Kerry reporting for spitball and typewriter duty.")
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To: Light Speed; Chewbacco

131 posted on 09/15/2004 6:11:17 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: RobRoy

"This is so believable it is downright creepy.

Gee, without the internet, how do you suppose this would have played out?

The only hole in your theory is, why didn't the forger at least use the courier font? Aren't these guys pros? 8^>"


You have interesting questions.

I remember in the old days of watching network news, they would 'show' a document with some line highlighted, and get on with the story. The 'mistake' CBS made was to make the documents available on the web. In this global information age, and with a 100000 'human database' at Free Republic, there would have been someone who immediately would have caught on to the forgeries. Their 2nd mistake was to sneer at the combined intelligence of serious FReepers and bloggers. That really unleashed the energy to delve deeper in these docs. But to answer your question, in the old days they would have gotten away with it. We (the viewing public) trusted and believed the network news commentators. Dan Rather has now betrayed the trust of all his viewers, IMHO.

Are the forgers pros? My gut feel is no. They're bunglers, like the Watergate bunch. CBS fished around for the docs and they manufactured them based on what CBS was asking for. But the forgers misused military formats, confused army terminology for air force terminology, and produced half-baked memos from memory. CBS turned a blind eye because they wanted the scoop so badly. Rather wanted to contribute to 'Operation Fortunate Son' and be the cause of bringing down a sitting President in a time of war. I think he still wants this as his legacy.


132 posted on 09/15/2004 6:48:20 PM PDT by plushaye (President Bush - Four more years! Thanks Swifties.)
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To: plushaye
Now we know it all:

What: Forgeries
Who: Bill Burkett
Why: To Lead into the Bush did Cocaine in the Guard smear

133 posted on 09/15/2004 7:24:15 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: plushaye
Rather wanted to contribute to 'Operation Fortunate Son' and be the cause of bringing down a sitting President in a time of war. I think he still wants this as his legacy.

Conjecture, but a good one. I'll spell it out. Look, who are the big heroes in the journalistic profession: Robert Redford and Dustin Hoffman, 30 years after their big Watergate scoop. Ben Bagdikian, who played Jason Robards in the movie, if I'm not mistaken, got a cushy job as the Dean of UC Berkeley's journalism school, and got to spew out his lunatic neo-Marxist theories of modern media every other week in newspapers, on the screen and in books, ever since. Only the black security guard who discovered the silly burglary died broke and forgotten. But then, he wasn't a member of the media aristocracy.

134 posted on 09/15/2004 7:29:27 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: Kay

Back then, I think a CO would have had to send you for a specific test if he suspected something. Physicals were routine and for the purpose of seeing if you were in good health. They weren't designed to look for drug use on a routine basis. That came later.


135 posted on 09/16/2004 12:07:33 AM PDT by TheLion
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To: rocklobster11

Fax# (212) 975-1998

136 posted on 09/16/2004 12:45:11 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (What's the frequency Kenneth?)
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To: rocklobster11

bmp


137 posted on 09/16/2004 10:05:19 AM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: rocklobster11
However, I wonder what record would need to be

"backdated" in order to fit in with the subsequent conspiracy theory that they plan to release...

I suspect they misused the word "backdate" and meant to imply that Bush actually missed his physical and was grounded in May, to advance the theory that he skipped town to dodge a drug test, disobeying Killian's direct order in the process. This silly notion also betrays a misunderstanding of the regulations on medical exams - his medical was not overdue until 1 August, that's why his official orders removing him from flight status are dated 1 August.

138 posted on 09/16/2004 10:34:01 AM PDT by PhatHead
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To: rocklobster11

Here are some comments (from July) on the Bush/Bath theory, including a suggestion that the missing memos story wouldn't go anywhere unless:

"...someone can prove that he was doing time for cocaine possession..."

http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/34381

July 16, 2004
AP Seeks Release of Bush Military Records


139 posted on 09/16/2004 11:19:30 AM PDT by Liberty Reigns
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To: rocklobster11

Your analysis sounds good. This would also indicate a very high level conspiracy at the DNC level and or Carville and Begala. I have noticed they have not been saying anything??


140 posted on 09/17/2004 7:23:00 AM PDT by cpdiii ( Oil field trash ( and proud of it) turned pharmacist.)
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