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Posted on 11/01/2004 10:24:57 PM PST by SunkenCiv
A previously unknown civilisation was using writing in Central Asia 4,000 years ago, hundreds of years before Chinese writing developed, archaeologists have discovered... The discovery suggests that Central Asia had a civilisation comparable with that of Mesopotamia and ancient Iran as far back as the Bronze Age, University of Pennsylvania archaeologist Fredrik Hiebert told the BBC... It is not known what the people of the civilisation called themselves, so researchers have dubbed the society the Bactria Margiana Archaeology Complex (B-Mac), after the ancient Greek names for the two regions it covers.
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Couldn't find any samples or pix of the writings. Pictographic prolly, huh?
Translated into English, it says "I have a plan".
That name totally sucks lemons.
No more campaign ads!
(It wasn't too bad in Texas)
However, I meant the Bactria Margiana Archaeology Complex
Oh, you mean "Bactria Margiana Archaeology Complex". Yeah, and calling it "B-Mac" isn't an improvement. Sounds likes fast food.
Interesting. I was working in my doctoral dissertation on the BMAC and some related cultures. I believe the culture to be the heart of the ancient aryana, prior to a schism between the worshippers of Indra and those who followed the teachings of the reformer Zarathrustra. There's evidence of the soma ritual and I believe I'd identified actual soma pressing stones at numerous sites (albeit through museums since this area was off limits at the time I did my research).
Its interesting that "soma" comes up not only in ancient civilizations, but also in "Brave New World"
and we now have a drug on the market called soma.
(Stop it, Bob...you're leaping again.)
Could these be the peoples who were here before God made Adam?
Are these the people Cain was concerned about?
Folks, there were advanced civilizations on this planet 30,000 years before Christ. Assuming a time span of 3,000 to 5,000 years per civilization, that adds up to about 6 Earth Ages.
Which, if memory serves me right, the Hopis already knew and warned about.
Relax and enjoy the show. We're ringside for God's Final Solution.
"Whatever its origins, Dr. Mair said, the type of symbols and the small number of strokes used to create each one "makes me think the writing system is already fairly abstract, not pictographic.""
Hmmm. My guess: A transition language from Sumerian to another form in another land. Thanks for the link.
The writng was called AMERICAN. We are in a time worp and different dimension. Don't believe me? Look at Kerry!
An early language in that region was Tocharian A & B.
BTW, the oldest paper ever found had Tocharian written on it. Don't remember how old the paper was.
Any evidence of common origin of all languages from Sumerian?
Well, I don't know about that. The civilization that's being discussed (BMAC) is approximately 2500-1500 BC.
I don't know what the writing discovery is. The problem is, without a "Rosetta Stone", it is virtually impossible to relate symbols that are writing with any particular language. Unless there is a way to connect the symbols with phonemes (sounds), it is really impossible to know what language family epigraphs relate to.
Soma, or haoma (in the ancient Avestan or "Old Bactrian"), probably was a specific plant, perhaps one that was over-harvested and now extinct. Zarathrustra was very concerned about the "injudicious use" of haoma for psychotropic effect rather than it's purely ritualistic use. The word "drug" actually comes from the word "druj" which is an ancient Iranian word meaning "falsehood" or "lie".
It could be an ancient Goa'uld script, or I could just be having an SG-1 moment.
It looks like it only has four characters on it. I think that would rule out a single letter, or phonic in a word, or even a complete word. A calendar script maybe. A notary public seal or King's seal or coin stamp?
Appears to have the geometry and simplicity of Greek.
It has little similarity or none at all to Sumerian or Cuneiform.
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The Hattusas archive of tablets in Anatolia was in cuneiform, but it was used for eight different languages, with two or three making up the bulk of the archive. They could be sounded out (because cuneiform was understood) but could not be read for a couple of decades, until a Swiss scholar got to work on it and could hear German (including some grammar) of sorts, due to the common Indoeuropean roots of German and Hittite.The Decipherment Of Cuneiform ScriptAlready by the turn of the seventeeth century, European travellers in the Near East had begun to notice traces of what appeared to be writing, but in a totally unknown script... As Akkadian began to surrender its secrets, it became clear that not all of the Mesopotamian texts were written in this Semitic language. For some time afterwards controversy surrounded this apparently agglutinative language with no recognisable relation to any other known; was it a real language or just a cryptography of Akkadian scribes (as argued by the semitist, Joseph Halévy)? After much heated debate and an avalanche of new textual material from the French excavations at Al-Hiba, Sumerian was universally recognised as a language.
Cuneiform Digital Palaeography Project
You'll never take me alive. Oh, sorry. No URL for this one, but it would probably have dropped dead by now anyway.Another ancient civilization found"It's not ancient Iranian, not ancient Mesopotamian. I even took it to my Chinese colleagues," he said. "It was not Chinese." ...No one knows the extent of this civilization, which may reach beyond Margiana, deep in the Kara Kum desert, and Bactria, which straddles the Uzbek-Afghan border. Hiebert said he believes that a third area, Anau, outside Ashgabat near the Iranian border, is connected to this civilization, perhaps even the origin of the culture. It is about 2,000 years older, going back to 4500 BC, or the Copper Age.
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a similar story, quoted from the NYTimes:
In Ruin, Symbols on a Stone Hint at a Lost Asian Culture
By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD
New York Times - 05.13.2001
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archaeologist Says Central Asia Was Cradle Of Ancient Persian Religion
AFP/Yahoo | 3-18-2005
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