Posted on 11/03/2004 2:51:49 PM PST by BallparkBoys
Ok,
First off, sorry for the Vanity. And this is my first ever new thread. I would be interested in your opinions on this.
Nominating Rudy Guliani in '08 would be almost certain failure for the GOP. Tuesday's election screamed few things to me: CONSERVATISM!!! MORAL VALUES, and ANTI GAY-MARRIAGE. The voting block that delivered the vote most consistently for W was Evangelical Christians. Fully 25% of all Ohio voters put themselves in that category, and they voted 3-1 for Bush. Without that block, Bush loses the election. Evangelicals were driven to the polls by 1. a man of character, 2. the chances for some decent Supreme Court Justices, and 3. the referendums on gay marriage. Having the gay marriage issue on the ballot in Ohio probably won the election for W.
1. People can see that Bush is more a man of his word than Kerry is. He says things that he believes rather things that people want to hear. Kerry is just the opposite.
2. With the weak-kneed RINO's in the Senate, its no telling who we can get in there as judges, but it SHOULD be better than what Kerry would have given us.
3. Bans on gay marriage have ALWAYS gone 60% + (dont know the final results in Oregon) in EVERY state its been voted on. There is WIDESPREAD support for bans even in the most liberal states.
Ok, so can we agree that the electorate showed a swing to the right and did so emphatically. They voted in new Rep Senators, House members and reelected our Conservative President. So the question is: WHY GO BACK TO THE LEFT WHEN THE PEOPLE TELL YOU TO GO RIGHT???
Rudy, while a good executive and a fine politician is PRO ABORTION, PRO GAY MARRIAGE, and cheated on his wife. In 1992 GHW Bush pissed off his base with his tax issue and the conservatives stayed home. BUSH LOST! In 2000, W's drunk driving unfortunately (and wrongly in my opinion) drove the Christian conservatives to stay home, thus losing the popular vote and creating Florida's day in the spotlight. In 2004, Bush runs on a -lower tax, faith based initative, Pro life, pro gay marriage ban, man of virtue and faith- platform and wins by 3.5 MILLION votes.
Why would we want to turn back to the Rockefeller-Republican days of the 70's???
Govern and run on a platform of tax reform, tort reform, SOLID judges, PRO LIFE, PRO GAY MARRIAGE BAN, and watch the people come out in droves. When Hillary tacks to the center, we dont need to follow!!!
Your comments are welcome
No, I'm thinkin' if Hillary gets the DNC nod in 08, we need to put Condy Rice up there, and if she doesn't win, we'll play the race card!!!
Are not.
McCain/Guliani will be the 2008 ticket.
I don't like it too much, and it is the day after the election in 2004, but that's how I see it coming down.
nutshell analysis: rudy won't make thru the primaries; evanglicals own the process and rudy is way to pro abortion and he knows this.
The last thing the Republican Party needs to do now is offer up a pro-abortion, anti-gun RINO.
You want to see the Conservative base sit out an election? Keep this crap up.
And I have a slogan.
"Its a white house blackout cuz they gotta keep the blackout the white house."
I totally agree.
Guillianni as a social liberal may "sell" in NYC, but he'll fail miserably in the heartland of America.
Sorry, but it is way too early for that and I have not gotten enough sleep to think about it. Right now I am just deeply grateful to Rudy for tirelessly campaigning for our president. He is a good man. We can discuss his presidential qualities later.
I think Rudy needs to run against Hillary when she comes up for re-election to the Senate in 2006. He would do much better running in a more liberal state than trying to convince conservatives nationally to support him.
You're right.
McVain was the co-author of the unconstitutional CFR, defender of John F. Kerry, and overall schmuck. The base won't forget that...ever.
Gosh you are a glutton for punishment? I need to get over the '04, take a few days breather, relax, ya know?
Really honest people don't apologize ~before~ they do something.
Lay off on 08. Have we ~nothing~ to do now for the next 4 years but campaign for 08?
I wanna see a Condoleeza vs hillary smackdown. lol
McCain is probably in the best position right now for 2008 except for his age may be a factor. He has the MSM in his pocket and he does have some devoted followers. I am not one but there are people who like him.
I agree, I'm giving election 08 a few weeks to simmer. Besides my heart can't take any more stress right now.
I will not vote for Rudy. The Republicans will ignore their gun owning Christian base at their own peril, Red Queen or not.
Then we will lose the White House in 2008.
Rudy is no conservative and McCain has offended so many conservatives with his flip-flopping back and forth across the aisle (does that man have ANY core principles!?) that he can't win with Republicans.
You win by LEADING. The cause, right now, is conservatism. We need a conservative leader not a mushy moderate or a liberal. Bush is just barely conservative enough, especially on most social issues, to have enlarged his base. We need MORE conservatism, not less. If not, we'll lose.
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