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Are the Unborn Human?
High School Conservative Clubs of Amerca ^ | Tim Bueler

Posted on 05/04/2005 10:34:48 PM PDT by President of HSCCA Tim Bueler

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1 posted on 05/04/2005 10:34:48 PM PDT by President of HSCCA Tim Bueler
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To: President of HSCCA Tim Bueler

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2 posted on 05/04/2005 10:42:25 PM PDT by centexan (Welcome back 1st Cav - great job!)
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To: President of HSCCA Tim Bueler

Jeremiah 1:5
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew [ Or chose ] you, before you were born I set you apart;


3 posted on 05/04/2005 10:47:32 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (OUT OF ORDER)
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To: President of HSCCA Tim Bueler

One third of those who would have been born after 1973, are not here today. One third of my generation has been aborted.



One of the underlying resons the boarders are open ... the population has to grow some how...
sick, sad .... and speechless


4 posted on 05/04/2005 10:48:56 PM PDT by THEUPMAN (#### comment deleted by moderator)
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To: President of HSCCA Tim Bueler

Ping to self for later pingout.

Great, great article.

Hard to believe you're just in high school, or just out of it...

Knowing that there are young people like you gives me hope for the future.


5 posted on 05/04/2005 10:52:35 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: President of HSCCA Tim Bueler

Excellent, cogent piece. Any argument against the above is an exercise in self-delusion.


6 posted on 05/04/2005 10:52:44 PM PDT by DC Bound (American greatness is the result of great individuals seeking to be anything but equal.)
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To: President of HSCCA Tim Bueler

Well said.

The fight against abortion is a battle for justice for the youngest members of our species who face a cruel and grissly death at the hands of abortionists.


7 posted on 05/04/2005 11:08:36 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: President of HSCCA Tim Bueler

If people would start debating with cold, hard facts and not their emotions we would win this war. Good for you for planting the seed. You forgot one point though. Fetus is Latin for Unborn Offspring and the definition is... : an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind; specifically : a developing human from usually three months after conception to birth. The word Fetus does not prove or mean it's not a Human.

If it's not your DNA, it's not your body and therefore not your choice.


8 posted on 05/04/2005 11:09:48 PM PDT by Free2BeMe
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To: President of HSCCA Tim Bueler
Let me play Liberal Advocate for just a minute...

Environment: Again, the unborn are located in a different place, but how does location suddenly change you into a non-human? The only difference between a newborn baby, and an unborn baby is 8 inches of birth canal. How does moving 8 inches, suddenly change a blob of tissue into a human?

From a liberal standpoint, there could be the argument of symbiosis (I know, a stretch) and how if a parasite was attached (hang on) that you would want to remove said parasite (such as a leech) and not think twice about it.

Sadly, many women are duped (or more like delusional) that the cells growing in their womb is parasitic, and needs to be removed. If such women are convinced that they are removing something that isn't human, than they can assure their morality (how brutally ignorant it is.)

Last, Degree of Dependency: If viability is what makes one human, then everyone who is dependent on a pace maker, or some form of medication would be declared non-human. Perhaps you heard about the Siamese twins from Egypt who were in the news last year. One of the twins was physically dependent on the other twin; does this fact mean that one of the twins was not human? Dependency is not a criterion for being human.

The state of Florida has made it where people who are dependent on others for care - the infirm, the elderly, the handicapped, the ones with no voice - can be terminated according to judicial order. This process of dehumanizing the people who are the most vulnerable will lead to a destabilization of the society, such as what happened in the 1930's in Germany.

So, since the liberals won't realize the issue at hand, there has to be an infusion of people to maintain the current population status quo. Since 40 million of my peers have been aborted - and that constitutes actual abortions, not even counting the birth control pills, which is for another smokey back room there has to be adequate population paying into the system to maintain the current spending of the government. If you can't have it by natural population expandsion - children - then you import them. Importation is risky, because the imports don't necessarily assimilate into the society. Sometimes, they force the society to assimilate to them.

Best of luck, and remember to wear your Flame proof jammies when confronting irrational people.

9 posted on 05/04/2005 11:17:31 PM PDT by willieroe
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To: President of HSCCA Tim Bueler
If the unborn are not human, then no justification for elective abortion is necessary; but if the unborn are human, then no justification for elective abortion is adequate.

Very true. and, yes, the unborn are persons (notice i choose the term "persons" instead of humans for certain purposes0.

10 posted on 05/04/2005 11:21:41 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: willieroe
From a liberal standpoint, there could be the argument of symbiosis (I know, a stretch) and how if a parasite was attached (hang on) that you would want to remove said parasite (such as a leech) and not think twice about it.

Unique HUMAN DNA different than that of the mother makes a fetus a separate Human being and not a parasite. Only humans can have Human DNA. Your DNA today is the same as it was in your mother's womb. That would be my argument.
11 posted on 05/04/2005 11:26:06 PM PDT by Free2BeMe
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The word Fetus does not prove or mean it's not a Human.

a friend kept repeating to me a phrase to this effect: "it's Fetus, NOT a person."

i pointed out in response that the terms "Fetus" and "person" are no more mutually exlusive than the terms "adolescent" and "person", or "adult" and "person".

The term "Fetus", like "adolescent" and "adult", refers to the stage of developement of a person, NOT to the absence of personhood.

12 posted on 05/04/2005 11:29:41 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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What was your friends reaction to that point? Over the years when I have pointed out the stage of Human development argument people then refuse to talk about it anymore!
13 posted on 05/04/2005 11:38:00 PM PDT by Free2BeMe
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What was your friends reaction to that point?

When i first made the point years ago, he just responded "but it's a fetus, NOT a person."

I explained to him the petitio principii/circular reasoning fallacy--he was assuming a fetus meant "non-person" in order to prove a fetus is a "non-person". he still had that attitude, "don't confuse me with facts; my minds already made up."

recently we went over that point again. he seemed a bit softer on his position (he seemed to have doubts), but he may have merely been acting polite.

latinwarrior, see post 12 as well.

14 posted on 05/04/2005 11:45:15 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: Free2BeMe; Java Guy; lavender
Free2BeMe
Since Sep 11, 2004

btw, do you realize that you have the same FR registration date as freepers java guy and lavender?

15 posted on 05/04/2005 11:49:49 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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java guy and lavender? I've never seen their posts I don't think. But then again I don't pay too much attention to the names, just the posts! Why do you ask?
16 posted on 05/04/2005 11:56:23 PM PDT by Free2BeMe
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To: President of HSCCA Tim Bueler

Please stop posting your Blog editorials in Activism. Thank you.


17 posted on 05/05/2005 12:11:50 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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Why do you ask?

it's just a coincidence. java guy and lavender don't post. they (mainly java guy) lurk.

18 posted on 05/05/2005 12:17:16 AM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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How in the world can you tell if someone is lurking? I searched for java guy and couldn't find him. Are you wondering if I have multiple screen names or something? I really don't understand your point from the start, it just seems really strange.
19 posted on 05/05/2005 12:34:29 AM PDT by Free2BeMe
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How in the world can you tell if someone is lurking?

because i'm from Fresno, lol, and so is java guy and lavender.

I searched for java guy and couldn't find him. Are you wondering if I have multiple screen names or something?

lol! no, no, no, don't get nervous on me :o) i know you're not java guy or lavender. i just know them, and i know they signed up on 911. not too many people sign up on 911.

20 posted on 05/05/2005 12:40:14 AM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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