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Fourteen Points for the Defense of the United States against Islamic Jihad
The New Conservative Voice ^ | 8/13/2005 | Tov B. Brog

Posted on 08/13/2005 3:11:25 PM PDT by ConservativeVoice

I watch, with increasing frustration, the politically correct flailing of our government and public officials in the face of the Islamic threat.

I believe in civil liberties, but not in civil suicide.

Isalam does not deserve the protections offered enlightened religions under our constitution. First, Islam is a philosophy, not a race. So, attacks on profiling are meaningless. Second, its tenets with regard to non-believers are more akin to the vengeful and intolerant "theology" of Nazism than to the enlightened acceptance preached by Jews, Christians, Bhuddists, Hindus, Zoroastrians and others.

A good place to learn more about our enemies is at Jihad Watch. To witness how readily the West seems to subjugate its values to Islam, see their sister site at Dhimmi Watch. A reguar reading of these sites is a frightening look into the moral abyss that is Islam.

Any study of Islam reveals an ideology steeped in the philosophy of violent Jihad. Jihad does not mean some internal struggle of the soul towards enlightenment. Rather, it is clearly defined as the unshakable obligation of each and every Muslim to make war, physical war, against the non-believer, offering him three choices: acceptance of Islam; subjugation, and the payment of a poll tax, "jizya", as a second-class member of society; or death.

Is that clear enough? You can join them, be a virtual slave or DIE!

Although we often hear of moderate Muslims, what does this mean? It means we are speaking of muslims who know little of their fath. Jihad is as much a part of Islam as the Holy Trinity is a part of Catholicism.

In this country, as in other western nations, we are surrounded by enemies of the Republic: Wahabist chaplains in the military; the Council on Islamic-America relations (CAIR); Islamic terror front groups; ACLU apologists; who sabotage our attempts to protect oursleves and our children; Al-Qaeda cells; the loony left of the Democratic Party; treasonous members of Congress, including John Kerry, who undermine our war efforts. All of these enemies of America are the willing dupes of the purveyors of Jihad. My patience has run out. I'm ready for extreme measures to defend our lives and property.

With the spectre of bomb blasts in London, and every likelihood that Muslims in this country are planning the same, or worse, in our streets, the time has come to accept that Islam is the problem.

Islam today is evil. There has been no reformation, no emergence of a strong movement for positive change to align Islam with the values of the West. To do so would destroy the essence of the faith. What good Muslim could accept that?

Those who call themselves Muslims are, if not guily, deserving of our suspicion.

My first preference would be the conquest and forced conversion to Christianity of the Muslim world. You might ask why I, as a Jew, suggest converting them to Christianity? Because I believe there are enough good Christians in this world to hold the bastards down while they learn to behave.

In the meantime, we need to defend our own shores against the Islamic hordes, many of whom are already here.

Therefore I make the following declaration:

Whereas:

We Resolve:

That, in order to protect our nation, and our civilization, from the depredations of Islam, we should act according to the following principles:

  1. A declaration that Islam is a political ideology and is not subject to the religious protections afforded under the Constitution of the United States.
  2. Suspension of the security clearances of all Muslim employees of the federal government.
  3. The ending of Muslim chaplain services in the US military, and throughout the federal government, including the prison system.
  4. A declaration that any use of weapons of mass destruction against the United States by Islamic terrorists will be met by an immediate nuclear strike against Mecca and Medina.
  5. In the event of a major Islamic terrorist attack within the United States, the internment of Muslim citizens for their own protection.
  6. Indefinite imprisonment of any suspected member of any organization that engages in, supports or condones terrorism anywhere in the world.
  7. Confiscation of all property of any convicted member of any organization that engages in, supports or condones Islamic terrorism anywhere in the world.
  8. Ending all Muslim immigration into the United States, from any country.
  9. Suspension of all immigration, regardless of religious affiliation, from any member state of the Arab League.
  10. Loyalty oaths for all federal employees wherein they must declare their allegiance to the constitution of the United States of America and swear adherence to Judeo-Christian ethics.
  11. Loyalty oaths for all state, county and municipal employees as a condition for receipt of federal funds.
  12. Deportation of all Muslims who are not US citizens.
  13. A Muslim, not a citizen of the United States, who violates US immigration law will be imprisoned indefinitely.
  14. Withdrawal of the United States from the United Nations and the eviction of that organization from their headquarters in New York City.


TOPICS: Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: cair; crushislam; islam; islamicagenda; islamisevil; islamisnotareligion; muslim; terrorists

1 posted on 08/13/2005 3:11:27 PM PDT by ConservativeVoice
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To: ConservativeVoice

Lots of possible imprisonment talk. Where are we putting all the facilities? Who is going to man them? The internees won't be working, so they'll have to be fed, clothed washed etc.. Who is going to pay for them? Looks like many Camp Gitmos to us but to the rest of the world and the MSM they will be called Camp Auschwitzes.


2 posted on 08/13/2005 3:31:49 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (3 more months of Hurricanes and RV free roads.)
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To: ConservativeVoice
You might ask why I, as a Jew, suggest converting them to Christianity? Because I believe there are enough good Christians in this world to hold the bastards down while they learn to behave.

I stopped reading at this point, because I just have to say..."I love this guy!"

Now I'm gonna go back and read the rest of the article.

3 posted on 08/13/2005 3:35:12 PM PDT by Dark Skies (The storm is coming!)
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To: Dark Skies
I finished reading it and stand by my post #3.

Are we not at war? Do we owe it to our country and our families to win? Do we need to get real regarding the threat of Islam.

Er, I think the answer is h&ll yes!

4 posted on 08/13/2005 3:38:37 PM PDT by Dark Skies (The storm is coming!)
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To: USF; EdReform; AmericanArchConservative; Former Dodger; Fred Nerks; jan in Colorado; All

Ping


5 posted on 08/13/2005 3:40:10 PM PDT by Dark Skies (The storm is coming!)
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To: Dark Skies; Salem; backhoe; Fiddlstix; Grampa Dave; knighthawk; OXENinFLA
BTTT (read later)


islam explained

6 posted on 08/13/2005 4:07:59 PM PDT by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: Dark Skies; Fred Nerks; USF; Former Dodger; jan in Colorado; ariamne; Travis McGee; John Filson; ...

Hmmm

WHO's been reading my postings on a regular basis?! Didn't I openly call for similar measures about a month and a half ago? Specifically roundups, internment, deportation, visa exclusions...and more?

Great Britain wasn't listening at the time, but they have apparently since begun to reconsider things - at least in part. Perhaps my good friend, the Deputy Director of Comm {DCSA Messaging, London} in the MoD knew it was my idea...

France is finally getting a bit irascible with the "Unassimilables", as well as the Netherlands. What will it take for the Germans? Maybe they ought to start with Gerhard Schroder...

Hmmm, what was the date I posted that? Fred N., do you recall? I think I want to take credit for it {of course I always DID...}

A.A.C.

"Let the Final Crusade commence!"


7 posted on 08/13/2005 4:11:58 PM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: Travis McGee; F15Eagle; SheLion; Happy2BMe

Ping


8 posted on 08/13/2005 4:15:50 PM PDT by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Ping


9 posted on 08/13/2005 4:18:14 PM PDT by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: AmericanArchConservative
As they say, imitation is the sincerest (I was raised to say "most sincere"...but I am a Southerner) form of flattery.

Kudos to you also, AAC, for your enduring effort on behalf of "the cause."

10 posted on 08/13/2005 4:30:03 PM PDT by Dark Skies (The storm is coming!)
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To: AmericanArchConservative
Never you mind about taking the credit for making the suggestions, I WANT TO SEE YOU MAKE IT HAPPEN! (PS, you won't have to lock them ALL up and feed them, once they know the game is up, most of them go back to where they came from.) Image hosted by Photobucket.com
11 posted on 08/13/2005 4:34:33 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: Dark Skies

FEMA is your friend.

http://www.sonic.net/sentinel/gvcon6.html


12 posted on 08/13/2005 4:37:30 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: Fred Nerks
And Fred...regarding the Miss Finicky rules of English usage...i.e. sincerest vs. most sincere...here is the rule that I was taught.

Adjectives that have one syllable usually take -er and -est. Adjectives that have two syllables and end in y (early), ow (narrow), and le (gentle), can also take -er and -est. Almost all other adjectives with two or more syllables require the use of more and most.

Refer to #10 for anal retentive (and Southern) usage of the English language.

Thought you, being a writer, might appreciate the finer points of anal retentiveness.

13 posted on 08/13/2005 4:41:37 PM PDT by Dark Skies (The storm is coming!)
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To: Fred Nerks
...most of them go back to where they came from.

But what does that mean for Israel?

14 posted on 08/13/2005 4:44:27 PM PDT by Dark Skies (The storm is coming!)
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To: Dark Skies

No, not me, I'm a very regular writer.


15 posted on 08/13/2005 4:52:02 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: Dark Skies

"But what does that mean for Israel?"

Well, first of all, you protect yourself, for if you do not, you cannot offer anyone else protection.


16 posted on 08/13/2005 4:54:50 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: Fred Nerks
No, not me, I'm a very regular writer.

Ah, the joys of writing on high fiber paper.

17 posted on 08/13/2005 4:55:57 PM PDT by Dark Skies (The storm is coming!)
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To: Dark Skies

LOL! I may speak English but my plumbing is German!


18 posted on 08/13/2005 5:02:57 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: Fred Nerks
I may speak English but my plumbing is German!

I think I might be German too...a little at least. I had two hot dogs with sauerkraut and mustard for din tonite (really).

19 posted on 08/13/2005 5:09:38 PM PDT by Dark Skies (The storm is coming!)
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To: Dark Skies
Image hosted by Photobucket.com
20 posted on 08/13/2005 5:18:06 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: Fred Nerks
I love beer, but I love scotch more! Mostly Scottish...or should I say Scottisher.
21 posted on 08/13/2005 5:20:52 PM PDT by Dark Skies (The storm is coming!)
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To: Dark Skies

Thanks for the ping, DS, and I agree with you.

NO more Mr Nice Guy, we have achieved nothing by being that way. Instead of trying to disprove lies told by other countries about the USA, lets live up to their worst expectations, and I'm not being sarcastic!


22 posted on 08/13/2005 6:59:31 PM PDT by Former Dodger ( "Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." --Einstein)
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To: ConservativeVoice
There is an aspect of Islam which 99% of "infidels" are clueless about.Mecca IS Islam, in a way it is difficult for Westerners to comprehend. Two of the "five pillars of Islam" are based on worshipping that black moon-god rock called Al-Hajarul Aswad in Arabic. (5x daily prayer to the moon-rock, and the Haj or pilgrimage to visit and worship the moon-rock in person.) Muslims see the black stone not as symbolic, but as a physical manifestation of Allah on earth, a chunk of Allah fallen to earth. The black stone has the power to suck all of the sins and evil out of men performing the Hajj pilgrimage. It is interesting to note that Islam’s holy of holies is packed with all of the sins of all of the Muslims who ever made the Hajj. The black stone will tell Allah on judgement day all of the sins of all of the Muslims, for Allah to judge. The black stone is the one and only “hard drive” of Islam.

Devout Muslims believe that the black stone represents all of Allah's power and glory. They believe, sincerely, that if the USA launched rockets at Mecca, Allah would swat them away like flies, or turn them around to hit New York or Washington.

If Allah could not stop the”infidel” bombs, and Mecca was turned into a crater, this would constitute absolute proof that Muhammed was a fraud and a liar, and that the moon-god rock had no power after all.

This would mean the end of the entire cult of Islam. Their cult could not adapt to or respond to or overcome complete, visible proof that Allah was powerless to stop the infidel weapons. It is critical to note (and this is also one of the 5 pillars of Islam) that “There is no God but Allah, and Muhammed is his LAST prophet.” You see, the religion is perfect, complete, finished. Allah gave the 5 pillars to Muhammed. These 5 pillars of Islam CANNOT BE CHANGED, EVER, and there still be Islam. No Mecca, no Kaaba, no black stone = no Hajj, no 5X daily prayer = no Islam.

Now, I'm not calling for or predicting Mecca will ever be bombed. Not unless American cities were destroyed by Islamofascist nuclear bombs first. Our insane enemies don't care if we threaten Cairo or Damascus. They would welcome such attacks, as providing mega-martyrs for Allah! Polls conducted in many Islamic nations have asked, "Would it be worth it to wipe Israel off the map with atomic bombs, if it meant millions of Muslims would die in the counterstrike?" The poll is answered YES! by high numbers. So targeting cities means nothing to our fanatical enemies.

Mecca, on the other hand, means everything to our enemies. Some of our semi-rational enemies must understand that if they nuke our cities, they may finally get a test of Allah's power to smite incoming missiles before they can hit and destroy Mecca and Allah’s black moon-god rock. These semi-rational enemies must understand this, so that they can influence the complete maniacs, and keep them from ever getting the nuclear weapons they would surely use against America, given the chance.

The semi-rational Islamists must understand that Mecca and Allah's all-powerful black moon-god rock are on the table, as a retaliatory target, if our cities are attacked with nukes.

Putting Mecca on the counterstrike target option list, even hypothetically, means far, far more to them than threats to change Arab regimes or bomb Muslim capitols.

I want the insane and semi-sane Islamofascists to understand this: nuke America, and Mecca is on the retaliation list. This is the only meaningful deterrent threat, to insane and semi-sane Islamofascists. If you wish the sane Muslims and semi-sane Islamists to influence the Islamofascists away from WMD attacks on the USA, let it be known that the very existence of Mecca, (and therefore their entire religion), is on the table.

(And don't bother with the trite comparison of Mecca and say, the Vatican. The Vatican is just the place the Pope hangs his miter. Catholics don't literally lay down and worship some idol in St. Peters 5 X a day, for 20 minutes. If Rome was nuked, it would not destroy Christianity. Christianity lies in the heart of each believer, in the concept of Jesus the Savior on the Cross, not in worshipping some physical idol or totem like Allah's black rock.)

Islam: Meteorite Worship of the black stone

23 posted on 08/13/2005 7:07:06 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: EdReform

Ping to above.


24 posted on 08/13/2005 7:08:30 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: EdReform

Thanks for the ping.

I agree with 90% of it.

The areas I would differ are:

1. There is no reason to get out of the United Nations as long as we have the Security Council veto. Membership allows us to put the brakes on anything with which we do not agree, occasionally bring the others with us kicking and screaming and gives us leverage in its actions to the extent the incumbent president is willing to use it. A lot of the UN's biggest mistakes have been our fault for going along with it because we did not have good leadership. But the UN without America is a united bloc against us. Hold your enemies closer than friends.

2. I'm not as sanguine about conversion or internment. The model used to suppress the plains Indians has a certain attractiveness. But I think Islam can be supressed and discredited gradually.

3. I don't have the urgency of the author. At this time we are dealing from a position of strength. I see the most immediate need to educate our side about Islam and make all aware of its negative effects. Then I want to educate Muslims about what they are doing wrong. That's why I keep posting my list of verses. I could post a much longer list but I want to show just the clearest statements and not so many that people get tired of reading.


25 posted on 08/13/2005 7:16:28 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: Former Dodger
I am with you FD...I am watching "A Company of Heroes" on Fox at this moment. To think of the brave American and Allied lives lost because of this filthy religion. Wives who will never again see their husbands...children who will never know their fathers.

All this for only one reason...Allah wants frikken jihad.

I am getting fed up with our President and the administration for not speaking the truth. I have been scolded again and again..."have patience...the President is a sly fox...his PC act is for a reason."

I just don't buy it anymore. We have an enemy and we need to take action.

If I were muslim American, I would say "intern me...make me prove my love of this country and its citizens...do what you must, but win this battle!"

26 posted on 08/13/2005 7:18:02 PM PDT by Dark Skies (The storm is coming!)
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To: Travis McGee
Here are the verses which support your thesis that destroying Mecca and Medina destroys Islam:

KORAN [9.28] O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque [Mecca, the Kaaba] after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.

MECCA and MEDINA invulnerable:

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [3:30:103] Narrated Abu Bakra:
The Prophet said, "The terror caused by Al-Masih Ad-Dajjal [the Muslim "Anti-Christ"] will not enter Medina and at that time Medina will have seven gates and there will be two angels at each gate guarding them."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [3:30:104] Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "There are angels guarding the entrances (or roads) of Medina, neither plague nor Ad-Dajjal [the Muslim "Anti-Christ"] will be able to enter it."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [3:30:105] Narrated Anas bin Malik:
The Prophet said, "There will be no town which Ad-Dajjal [the Muslim "Anti-Christ"] will not enter except Mecca and Medina, and there will be no entrance (road) (of both Mecca and Medina) but the angels will be standing in rows guarding it against him, and then Medina will shake with its inhabitants thrice (i.e. three earth-quakes will take place) and Allah will expel all the nonbelievers and the hypocrites from it."

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:7032] Anas b. Malik reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:
There will be no land which would not be covered by the Dajjal but Mecca and Medina, and there would no passage out of the passages leading to them which would not be guarded by angels arranged in rows. Then he (the Dajjal) [the Muslim "Anti-Christ"] would appear in a barren place adjacent to Medina and it would rock three times that every unbeliever and hypocrite would get out of it towards him.

THIS IS NOT FROM AL-QAEDA!

THIS IS JUST A BIT OF WHAT ALL MUSLIMS, INCLUDING SO-CALLED MODERATES, SIGN UP FOR WHEN THEY SAY THE BISMALLAH, "THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH AND MUHAMMAD IS HIS PROPHET"!

KORAN [3.28] Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.

KORAN [4.34] Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

KORAN [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

KORAN [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:176] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:177] Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:56:791] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!' "

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6981] Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6982] Ubaidullah has reported this hadith with this chain of transmitters (and the Words are):
"There is a Jew behind me."

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6983] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6984] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:
The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6985] Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:283] Narrated Abu Juhaifa:
I asked Ali, "Do you have the knowledge of any Divine Inspiration besides what is in Allah's Book?" 'Ali replied, "No, by Him Who splits the grain of corn and creates the soul. I don't think we have such knowledge, but we have the ability of understanding which Allah may endow a person with, so that he may understand the Qur'an, and we have what is written in this paper as well." I asked, "What is written in this paper?" He replied, "(The regulations of) blood-money, the freeing of captives, ******** and the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel." *********

HADITH Sunan Abu Dawud [14:2526] Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist). The tyranny of any tyrant and the justice of any just (ruler) will not invalidate it. One must have faith in Divine decree.

© Religion of Peace

KORAN: http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/
HADITH: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html
27 posted on 08/13/2005 7:23:45 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
Insane Murder Cult Ping!


28 posted on 08/13/2005 7:34:50 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Dark Skies

'If I were muslim American, I would say "intern me...make me prove my love of this country and its citizens...do what you must, but win this battle!"'

NOT WHILE THE IMAM IS TELLING THEM THIS!

The likeness of Islam and Kuffar is like that of fresh clear spring water and water brought up from the bottom of a suburban sewer. If even a drop of the filthy water enters the clear water, the clarity diminishes. Likewise it only takes a drop of the filth of disbelief to contaminate Islam in the West. If we have it within our means we should therefore consider moving to a Muslim lan d whereby we can at least live amongst our brethren and within an Islamic society free from the contamination of the disbelievers.



By Br. Amir Abdullah


http://www.frontpagemag.com/GoPostal/commentdetail.asp?ID=12226&commentID=260388


GIVE THEM EVERY REASON YOU CAN THINK OF TO LEAVE THE WEST AND RETURN TO THEIR OWN COUNTRIES. MUSLIM IMMIGRATION IS NOTHING BUT A TROJAN HORSE.



29 posted on 08/13/2005 7:35:24 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: ConservativeVoice
My first preference would be the conquest and forced conversion to Christianity of the Muslim world.

Whoa Tov. The secular humanists, and atheists might have a problem with that approach, not to mention the muslims...then again, you and Ann Coulter are probably right, no other choice.

5.56mm

30 posted on 08/13/2005 7:55:32 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: M Kehoe

Just for the record, I think secular humanists are fools and atheists are going to Hell!

So, their opinions don't count for much around here.


31 posted on 08/13/2005 7:58:54 PM PDT by ConservativeVoice
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To: Travis McGee

brilliant comment and links, thanks!


32 posted on 08/13/2005 8:01:37 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: Fred Nerks
Hey Freddie...

Some time ago, when I lived in NYC, a friend of mine was using a convex telescope (one normally used for star gazing) for peering into nearby highrise apartments, particularly into the apartment of a woman who was something of an exhibitionist."

I said to my friend, "this is interesting, but everything is unside down."

He said, "after a while...you get used to it."

And that is Islam...it is upside down and ugly and it lies and it murders. It does not construct...it destroys...But after a while you get used to it...the Devil you know is better than those you don't know."

Couldn't resist the Old Scratch reference ("ole Nic" to you Aussies)

33 posted on 08/13/2005 8:05:24 PM PDT by Dark Skies (The storm is coming!)
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To: ConservativeVoice

'Fourteen Points' just has a huge connotation of...failure.


34 posted on 08/13/2005 8:06:58 PM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: HitmanNY

Maybe I should add a coupla' points...any thoughts?


35 posted on 08/13/2005 8:08:06 PM PDT by ConservativeVoice
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To: ConservativeVoice

I dunno - whenever I hear fourteen points, I think of Woodrow Wilson's fourteen points, and that gave us a mess that ultimately contributed to WW2.

Maybe combine a few to make 12 points, or 10.


36 posted on 08/13/2005 8:10:21 PM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: ConservativeVoice

Shape of things to come in Iraq (and the world over)

• The elections are held in Iraq
• Sunni clerics denounce elections
• Voters are killed on election day in Terror attacks
• But election results are announced
• Sunni turnout is less than 20%
• Sunni clerics reject results
• Shia dominated govt is formed
• Sunnis call for US troops to leave
• New Shia dominated govt calls for phased pullout of US forces
• US forces begin a phased pullout
• They re-locate outside the cities in isolated fortified camps
• Terrorists blow off Iraqi parliament, Presidential palace Prime Minister’s residence
• Terrorists assassinate Ministers, Parliamentarians
• A full scale civil war starts between the Sunni dominated insurgents and the new Shia and Kurd Iraqi military
• Iran sends in insurgents to back Shias
• Saudis, Syrians, Egyptians, Kuwaitis, Palestinians send in insurgents to back Sunnis
• Saudis and Kuwaitis call for US action to stop Iran from intensifying the Iraqi civil war
• US seizes the opportunity and bombs Iranian nuke facilities
• Iran tries to crash missiles into Israel and Europe
• Internal rebellion breaks out in Iran
• US special forces start operating inside Iran to topple Mullah regime
• Iranian/Hezbollah forces stage terrorist attacks in Israel and in the West
• US launches an air blitz of Iran followed by a land invasion and sets up a new regime
• The Shah of Iran returns to Iran as a private citizen
• Shia-Hezbollah led terror attacks across the West and Israel intensify
• Israel invades Lebanon to wipe out the Hezbollah threat
• Egypt/Syria threaten Israel with serious consequences.
• Terrorist attacks originating from Gaza intensify in Israel
• Israel warns Syria with military action
• Spectacular mega terror attack in Israel
• Israel declares Syria to be culpable and launches a swift land and air assault on Syria
• Syria appeals for Arab military action to save itself
• Egypt, Jordan and Saudis start military action against Israel
• Israel overruns Jordan to join up with US forces stationed in Iraq
• Israel occupies Damascus
• US forces enter Syria from Syrian-Iraqi border in the North, join up with Israeli military
• After the conquest of Syria, Israel turns on Egypt, annexes Sinai, crosses Suez Canal and threatens Cairo
• Mecca, Medina, Mena, Jiddah taken off the map thru IAF (Israel Air Force) nuke strikes
• Upheaval in the entire Arab world
• Western diplomats and businessmen attacked, kidnapped, beheaded
• Anti-American riots in Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia.
• Musharraf and Yudhyono regimes under tremendous pressure to give up pro-US stance
• Musharraf assassinated by pro-Jihadi elements in Army due to his association with the US. The Jihadis last straw being his helping the Americans in finding Iran's nuke sites as a trade off for letting AQ Khan off the hook. But Mushy's gamble does not pay off, as he loses his job and life.
• Jihadi regime in Pakistan ups hostility with India
• Jihadis succeed in smuggling nuclear devices in the US and exploding them simultaneously
• US army takes over US administration, suspends constitution
• US military regime blockades the UN and declares it persona non-grata
• US enters into emergency war council with Russia and Britain
• The triple alliance starts nuclear bombing military targets across the Islamic world
• Pakistani nukes taken out in first strike
• Pakistan explodes some nuke devices on India
• Indian retaliation wipes off Pakistan off the map – death toll in South Asia is over half a billion
• Widespread Hindu-Muslim riots in India on the lines of the Gujarat riots of 2002. Muslim population decimated, Hindus and Christians also suffer heavy death toll.
• Nuclear campaign launched by the triple alliance intensifies as many cities in the Islamic world are taken off the map to wipe off the air forces.
• Seaports in the Islamic world crippled to decapitate the navies
• Radiation causes second wave of deaths. The toll in secondary deaths more than three billion
• More than half of the fatalities are Muslims.
• Almost the entire population in the Muslim world is decimated.
• China joins war against Islam, wipes off Muslim (Ughir) population in Eastern Turkestan
• Muslims in Europe launch a wave of terror attacks in European capitals
• Conditions in Europe very disturbed in a civil war like situation
• Right wing coups in France, Germany, Spain, Netherlands, Denmark. The new regimes join the triple alliance
• Widespread anti-Muslim riots in Europe aided by the militaries of those countries and NATO forces
• Domestic military action against Muslims in Europe intensifies as European militaries do combing operations to flush out Muslims
• The post-war Muslim population worldwide now accounts for only one percent of the global population concentrated mostly in Europe
• Military action ends, US, Britain and Russia announce reconstruction plan for the world
• Islam outlawed across the globe
• Residual Muslims worldwide embrace Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism. Judaism
• Humanity enters post-Islamic phase.

http://www.hindutva.org/


37 posted on 08/13/2005 8:26:34 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: Dark Skies

And what was your friend's excuse? Don't tell me old nick made him do it!


38 posted on 08/13/2005 8:46:56 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: ConservativeVoice

I like this guy a lot and his declarations.

Couldn't find anything to disagree with.

I tip my hat off to the author.


39 posted on 08/13/2005 8:54:57 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Thanks!


40 posted on 08/14/2005 2:17:17 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee

I think you're right about destroying Mecca - I think that this would almost immediately put a halt to Islam and release the people trapped in it. It would be like seeing people released from an evil enchantment.

This is not to say that all of them would be happy about it, and I am sure there would be massive rioting and attacks. But since we would destroy Mecca only in the event that nothing else was working, that would mean there already were mass riots and attacks, and it probably couldn't make the situation any worse. But I bet that the "religion" would be dead within weeks of the bombing, and its unfortunate adherents released from its spell.


41 posted on 08/14/2005 2:36:58 AM PDT by livius
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To: ConservativeVoice

Your ideas sound perfectly reasonable to me. Unless there is some sudden change in the nature of Islam - and its consistently bloody and vicious 1500 year history doesn't make this very likely - I think such measures will ultimately be the only survival strategy left to us.


42 posted on 08/14/2005 2:39:47 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius

Probably so, but we won't find out until American cities have been nuked first, so we won't exactly be jumping for joy if and when the insane murder cult is terminated.


43 posted on 08/14/2005 2:42:53 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Put them in Antarctica then.


44 posted on 08/14/2005 8:22:20 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Fred Nerks

They should get out while the gettin' is good. At some point the door will close and they will hear... "Now we're not going to let you leave!"


45 posted on 08/14/2005 8:27:03 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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