Family Free-Riders (Childless adults are economic free riders)

Chicago Boyz ^ | March 03, 2006 | Shannon Love

[RockinRight]

I was just about to mention that thread...

According to FreedomSpurge, these welfare queens have more right to vote than a priest.

[2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten]

The possibilities are troubling to say the least - Certainly on the medicare side we're likely to see rationing by queueing - that's seems to be the trend in most countries with "free" medical care. As far as SS goes, there will be higher age limits, more means testing, and expanded payroll taxes I fell reasonably sure. I think the primary trend towards euthanasia will be cultural - i.e. encouraging elderly to "do the right thing" and "take one for the team". I personally feel that the encouragement of illegal immigration that we are seeing is a calculated attempt (and an unwise one at that) to defuse the demographic time bomb. Science (or speculative) fiction writers should be able to come up with any number of future dystopias.

Mostly agree with what you have said.

[uglybiker]

I need a Viking Kitty Graphic.

Charging weapons

Polarity reaching maximum...

[Antoninus]

And you really see those two scenarios as moral equivalents????

No, not morally equivalent. However, they are sprung from exactly the same attitude--namely, that material goods are more important than having children.

[Antoninus]

"Judge not; lest ye be judged."

You didn't address my question. Are you being judgmental when you say:

"Burning the American flag is wrong."
"Protesting at soldiers' funerals is wrong."
"Voting for John Kerry is wrong."

If so, there's not a single person on FR who is not guilty of it.

If not, then none of what I've said expressing my opinion on the matter qualifies as 'judgment' either.

A discerning person must be able to tell right from wrong. We should condemn no person--however, we are free to comdemn bad behavior and opinions that lead to bad behavior.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

"Now go and sin no more." -- Why do they always leave off that part?

I've cast no stones. If my opinions are causing you to feel some injury, I'm sorry. But it will not stop me from presenting them when they are apt.

[steve-b]

I need a Viking Kitty Graphic.

[Antoninus]

The notion that the exercise of personal autonony is "selfish" can only seem "radical" to those who embrace collectivism.

Unless you live on a desert island, you can not go through life without having some dependence on others for your survival. You can not live in a country like ours and be free from any obligations to your fellow man.

Similarly, a life lived as a mere cog in a collective society, subject to the whims of untouchable masters who have attained their rank not through personal virtue and merit but through political machinations is slavery and a living death.

As I said, there is a happy medium. It's called the federal constitutional republic as created in 1787 in Philadelphia. It was neither radically individualist nor collectivist in any sense but a balance of the two. Perfect? No, but certainly closer than all previous attempts and most since. Pity that it's being pulled apart today by misantrhopic individualists on one end, and collectivist tyrants on the other.

[Jersey Republican Biker Chick]

LOL, that is good too!

[steve-b]

There were two notable experiments with creating republics in the late 18th century.

One of them embraced the notion that "selfish" personal autonomy should be rejected in favor of "Fraternité". The other rejected that concept.

The latter worked out rather more successfully.

[steve-b]

That one was from PJ-Comix (created to represent DUmmie consternation at the Alito nomination, IIRC).

[Jersey Republican Biker Chick]

LOL, it is cute!

[tclawnguyland]

I can't stand kids. I can put up and occasionally enjoy other peoples kids, but to put up with the whining, clinging incessant demands of a miserable, puling child? I'll throw it against a wall.
Would you prefer that?
Knowing that, I'm not STUPID enough to have children.
And with your frame of mind, there is this myopic 'go forth and have babies babies babies, even if you cannot support them.
One reason why they have 'throw aways' on the streets of some south american cities. The parents do just that within the dictates of the church. Reproduce reproduce, reproduce...and when they cannot afford or feed them? Throw them out on the street. Average life span: 18 years at most.
I do NOT think God is going to be impressed with fecundity without personal responsibility. You wanna build a tower? Make sure you have enough funds to do it. Wanna kid? Either a) make sure you have enough money to do so and have a 'nest' for it
b) be willing to do WITHOUT for yourself so the kid can be raised decently.
I do NOT see funding stupid little girls who dispense with all the traditional prerequisites and decide to play house with real live dollies at the taxpayers expense. Their progeny live in poverty, are more likely to be molested, abused, killed by the mothers successive shack up studs. The progeny may live to provide the fodder for gangs, prisons, and are nothing but cattle for industries that make their living off of self-same stupid little girls.
phooey.
My duty to sprogg? I THINK NOT

[guitfiddlist]

I do NOT see funding stupid little girls who dispense with all the traditional prerequisites and decide to play house with real live dollies at the taxpayers expense. Their progeny live in poverty, are more likely to be molested, abused, killed by the mothers successive shack up studs. The progeny may live to provide the fodder for gangs, prisons, and are nothing but cattle for industries that make their living off of self-same stupid little girls.

A-bloody men. Woo-eee!!! Let it all hang out. I'm beginning to detect that a lotta people (me included) are beginning to say "FTS" to the insane BS shoved down our throats for the last 40 years, now that the largesse is running out - and the calamity of idiot sentimentalist PC thinking is about to become manifest. Too bad it's too late to fix anything. We're screwed because of these idiots - but I, for one, am not going to allow these sacks of parasitical shyte to horn in on my survival - in the apocalyptic world they were instrumental in creating.

[Antoninus]

One of them embraced the notion that "selfish" personal autonomy should be rejected in favor of "Fraternité". The other rejected that concept.

You're kidding, right? The French Revolution was perhaps the closest thing we've ever had to a libertarian revolution. It was based on a false concept of freedom and a denunciation of government, religion, and traditional authority. As we know, it didn't work out so well.

The American Revolution was none of those things. It was a the creation of a new country and a federal republic. It believed, above all, that individual rights were descended from an All-Powerful God. At its core was the notion of Natural Law. The idea of radical individualism, as described by many of the people on this thread--that our own personal choices and bad behavior are of no consequence to society--would have been laughed at and considered anathema.

[steve-b]

Really, if you're going to redefine terms in a manner that makes Bill Clinton look like Noah Webster, there's no point in pretending to communicate.

[Aquinasfan]

I can't stand kids. I can put up and occasionally enjoy other peoples kids, but to put up with the whining, clinging incessant demands of a miserable, puling child? I'll throw it against a wall.

Many, if not most parents feel that way, until they have children of their own. Parents have a natural affinity for their children. As a parent, I can attest to this. I wouldn't have understood it as well if I hadn't experienced it.

And with your frame of mind, there is this myopic 'go forth and have babies babies babies, even if you cannot support them.

If a couple is enduring economic hardship, they can refrain from intercourse, or use natural family planning.

One reason why they have 'throw aways' on the streets of some south american cities. The parents do just that within the dictates of the church. Reproduce reproduce, reproduce...and when they cannot afford or feed them? Throw them out on the street. Average life span: 18 years at most.

So would it be better for them not to have life at all?

If yes, then you would logically have to recommend death for these children.

I do NOT think God is going to be impressed with fecundity without personal responsibility.

You're precluding natural methods of birth control. But this is where the rubber hits the road, because even natural methods of birth control can be immoral if they're undertaken with a "contraceptive mentality," that is, children are rejected for selfish reasons.

[steve-b]

And you really see those two scenarios as moral equivalents????

For someone who thinks that the birth of modern totalitarianism arose from "a denunciation of government", this barely counts as one of the six impossible things one is expected to believe before breakfast.

[Antoninus]

Really, if you're going to redefine terms in a manner that makes Bill Clinton look like Noah Webster, there's no point in pretending to communicate.

Yawn. Your transference is showing again.

[Aquinasfan]

It believed, above all, that individual rights were descended from an All-Powerful God. At its core was the notion of Natural Law.

In fact, Locke's notion of rights, in logical order, life, liberty and property, was based on the natural law writings of Jesuit Francisco Suarez ("Tractatus de legibus").

[Antoninus]

For someone who thinks that the birth of modern totalitarianism...

Tell me, does the US Constitution have collectivist, totalitarian aspects to it when, in the preamble, it says that one of the purposes of government is "to provide for the common good"?